offering a bribe in exchange for positive feedback
CrazyMind2017
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This is not a thread seeking advice. It is here strictly for your amusement only. If you are not the type of person to be amused, please stop reading and close the page.
A few days before Christmas, I bought this autographed relic card on a BO of $65. The seller had listed it at $80 BIN OBO. My initial offer of $60 was auto-declined, so I raised it to $65. I paid within 24 hours, and he posted positive feedback for me as the buyer, but I have not posted feedback for him. Today, I received this message from him, through the ebay mailer: "Could you please leave positive feedback for me on this transaction. I did the same for you as a buyer. I appreciate your time. Thanks,"
My response:
It's my personal opinion that fishing for feedback is a breach of ebay etiquette and rather undignified. Whether intentional or not, the glare in the scan/photo in the listing did a good job of distracting me from seeing the smudge of missing ink in the autograph. Here's a better representation of what you sent:
http://caimages.collectors.com/psaimages/17230/7846428/Topps%20Triple%20Threads%208GG%20Andre%20Dawson_original.jpg
The signature is clearly far from pristine, and if I'd realized that, I wouldn't have offered more than $40 for the card. Then you shipped the card in a magnetic case that was not secured properly. I had a difficult time removing the card from the holder, but I was able to get it out and transfer it to my own brand new magnetic case without incident.
Because the image in the listing did technically show the area of missing ink, I consider that my responsibility. In other words, I should have looked at the picture more closely. And since the card did not sustain any damage from your poor packing job, and I am not a problem buyer, I decided to let sleeping dogs lie, forget about the whole thing, and keep the card. I've been the seller in a number of bad transactions in which the buyers went out of their way to make things difficult for me. As you can see from my feedback, I go out of my way to make sure my buyers are completely happy.
If I had posted feedback, I'd have given you a neutral at best, especially in light of the fact that less than 18 months ago, you shipped a $230 card that also got stuck to its holder. ( Aug-17-10 http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=clewis0761 )
So here's what I'll do. If you hadn't contacted me fishing for feedback, I would have kept the card and not caused any trouble for you or made any waves. I figured you'd prefer no feedback rather than a neutral or negative. There was no PayPal dispute, no request for a return, nothing. You never would have heard from me again. I intended (and still intend) to keep the card, even at full price ($65). If you want positive feedback on this transaction, you'll have to issue a partial refund of $25, since the card is only worth $40 in my estimation.
If you choose not to issue the $25 refund, I do not want to hear from you again. Read between the lines here.
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I pretty much guaranteed myself the last word here. If he sends me another message that's not accompanied by a $25 refund, negative feedback he will receive!
A few days before Christmas, I bought this autographed relic card on a BO of $65. The seller had listed it at $80 BIN OBO. My initial offer of $60 was auto-declined, so I raised it to $65. I paid within 24 hours, and he posted positive feedback for me as the buyer, but I have not posted feedback for him. Today, I received this message from him, through the ebay mailer: "Could you please leave positive feedback for me on this transaction. I did the same for you as a buyer. I appreciate your time. Thanks,"
My response:
It's my personal opinion that fishing for feedback is a breach of ebay etiquette and rather undignified. Whether intentional or not, the glare in the scan/photo in the listing did a good job of distracting me from seeing the smudge of missing ink in the autograph. Here's a better representation of what you sent:
http://caimages.collectors.com/psaimages/17230/7846428/Topps%20Triple%20Threads%208GG%20Andre%20Dawson_original.jpg
The signature is clearly far from pristine, and if I'd realized that, I wouldn't have offered more than $40 for the card. Then you shipped the card in a magnetic case that was not secured properly. I had a difficult time removing the card from the holder, but I was able to get it out and transfer it to my own brand new magnetic case without incident.
Because the image in the listing did technically show the area of missing ink, I consider that my responsibility. In other words, I should have looked at the picture more closely. And since the card did not sustain any damage from your poor packing job, and I am not a problem buyer, I decided to let sleeping dogs lie, forget about the whole thing, and keep the card. I've been the seller in a number of bad transactions in which the buyers went out of their way to make things difficult for me. As you can see from my feedback, I go out of my way to make sure my buyers are completely happy.
If I had posted feedback, I'd have given you a neutral at best, especially in light of the fact that less than 18 months ago, you shipped a $230 card that also got stuck to its holder. ( Aug-17-10 http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=clewis0761 )
So here's what I'll do. If you hadn't contacted me fishing for feedback, I would have kept the card and not caused any trouble for you or made any waves. I figured you'd prefer no feedback rather than a neutral or negative. There was no PayPal dispute, no request for a return, nothing. You never would have heard from me again. I intended (and still intend) to keep the card, even at full price ($65). If you want positive feedback on this transaction, you'll have to issue a partial refund of $25, since the card is only worth $40 in my estimation.
If you choose not to issue the $25 refund, I do not want to hear from you again. Read between the lines here.
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I pretty much guaranteed myself the last word here. If he sends me another message that's not accompanied by a $25 refund, negative feedback he will receive!
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<< <i>If you want positive feedback on this transaction, you'll have to issue a partial refund of $25, since the card is only worth $40 in my estimation. >>
Sorry, but this reads as feedback extortion no matter how carefully you feel you've worded it.
You can clearly see the missing ink in the original auction.
The card, even though it may have been packaged poorly (how, PWE?), but sustained no damage
being shipped in a magnetic holder. I'm sorry you're not strong enough to pry apart
the two pieces. The card did not come out of the holder, so how was it not secured?
You changed holders afterwards anyways, so I don't see where the problem is.
I understand you may be urked that he asked for feedback in return, but your long
winded response to him is a bit overly dramatic. I never ask for feedback in return as a seller
cos I don't care. If I get it, I get it.
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
You admit you didn't look at the picture which clearly shows the auto and missing ink, and now want to demand a partial refund to keep the card? I also would love to know your eBay ID to block you if you truly feel what you did is an ok business practice.
<< <i>This is not a thread seeking advice. It is here strictly for your amusement only. If you are not the type of person to be amused, please stop reading and close the page.
A few days before Christmas, I bought this autographed relic card on a BO of $65. The seller had listed it at $80 BIN OBO. My initial offer of $60 was auto-declined, so I raised it to $65. I paid within 24 hours, and he posted positive feedback for me as the buyer, but I have not posted feedback for him. Today, I received this message from him, through the ebay mailer: "Could you please leave positive feedback for me on this transaction. I did the same for you as a buyer. I appreciate your time. Thanks,"
My response:
It's my personal opinion that fishing for feedback is a breach of ebay etiquette and rather undignified. Whether intentional or not, the glare in the scan/photo in the listing did a good job of distracting me from seeing the smudge of missing ink in the autograph. Here's a better representation of what you sent:
http://caimages.collectors.com/psaimages/17230/7846428/Topps%20Triple%20Threads%208GG%20Andre%20Dawson_original.jpg
The signature is clearly far from pristine, and if I'd realized that, I wouldn't have offered more than $40 for the card. Then you shipped the card in a magnetic case that was not secured properly. I had a difficult time removing the card from the holder, but I was able to get it out and transfer it to my own brand new magnetic case without incident.
Because the image in the listing did technically show the area of missing ink, I consider that my responsibility. In other words, I should have looked at the picture more closely. And since the card did not sustain any damage from your poor packing job, and I am not a problem buyer, I decided to let sleeping dogs lie, forget about the whole thing, and keep the card. I've been the seller in a number of bad transactions in which the buyers went out of their way to make things difficult for me. As you can see from my feedback, I go out of my way to make sure my buyers are completely happy.
If I had posted feedback, I'd have given you a neutral at best, especially in light of the fact that less than 18 months ago, you shipped a $230 card that also got stuck to its holder. ( Aug-17-10 http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=clewis0761 )
So here's what I'll do. If you hadn't contacted me fishing for feedback, I would have kept the card and not caused any trouble for you or made any waves. I figured you'd prefer no feedback rather than a neutral or negative. There was no PayPal dispute, no request for a return, nothing. You never would have heard from me again. I intended (and still intend) to keep the card, even at full price ($65). If you want positive feedback on this transaction, you'll have to issue a partial refund of $25, since the card is only worth $40 in my estimation.
If you choose not to issue the $25 refund, I do not want to hear from you again. Read between the lines here.
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I pretty much guaranteed myself the last word here. If he sends me another message that's not accompanied by a $25 refund, negative feedback he will receive! >>
Hell let me do one better for you now that I think about it, your last comment is so damn assine let me go ahead and forward this thread to the seller, would love to hear his thoughts on your extortion.
WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
You better hope he does not send this to EBAY.
I already beat you to it.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
<< <i>First page.... >>
Get in on this early, this is gonna be the thread of the week once the seller joins the boards. He should be on his way.
<< <i>This is not a thread seeking advice. It is here strictly for your amusement only. If you are not the type of person to be amused, please stop reading and close the page.
A few days before Christmas, I bought this autographed relic card on a BO of $65. The seller had listed it at $80 BIN OBO. My initial offer of $60 was auto-declined, so I raised it to $65. I paid within 24 hours, and he posted positive feedback for me as the buyer, but I have not posted feedback for him. Today, I received this message from him, through the ebay mailer: "Could you please leave positive feedback for me on this transaction. I did the same for you as a buyer. I appreciate your time. Thanks,"
My response:
It's my personal opinion that fishing for feedback is a breach of ebay etiquette and rather undignified. Whether intentional or not, the glare in the scan/photo in the listing did a good job of distracting me from seeing the smudge of missing ink in the autograph. Here's a better representation of what you sent:
http://caimages.collectors.com/psaimages/17230/7846428/Topps%20Triple%20Threads%208GG%20Andre%20Dawson_original.jpg
The signature is clearly far from pristine, and if I'd realized that, I wouldn't have offered more than $40 for the card. Then you shipped the card in a magnetic case that was not secured properly. I had a difficult time removing the card from the holder, but I was able to get it out and transfer it to my own brand new magnetic case without incident.
Because the image in the listing did technically show the area of missing ink, I consider that my responsibility. In other words, I should have looked at the picture more closely. And since the card did not sustain any damage from your poor packing job, and I am not a problem buyer, I decided to let sleeping dogs lie, forget about the whole thing, and keep the card. I've been the seller in a number of bad transactions in which the buyers went out of their way to make things difficult for me. As you can see from my feedback, I go out of my way to make sure my buyers are completely happy.
If I had posted feedback, I'd have given you a neutral at best, especially in light of the fact that less than 18 months ago, you shipped a $230 card that also got stuck to its holder. ( Aug-17-10 http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=clewis0761 )
So here's what I'll do. If you hadn't contacted me fishing for feedback, I would have kept the card and not caused any trouble for you or made any waves. I figured you'd prefer no feedback rather than a neutral or negative. There was no PayPal dispute, no request for a return, nothing. You never would have heard from me again. I intended (and still intend) to keep the card, even at full price ($65). If you want positive feedback on this transaction, you'll have to issue a partial refund of $25, since the card is only worth $40 in my estimation.
If you choose not to issue the $25 refund, I do not want to hear from you again. Read between the lines here.
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I pretty much guaranteed myself the last word here. If he sends me another message that's not accompanied by a $25 refund, negative feedback he will receive! >>
I have seen allot of stuff on these boards but this is one of the biggest douche bag moves I have ever seen. You sir are an A-Hole of epic proportions.
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<< <i>First page.... >>
Get in on this early, this is gonna be the thread of the week once the seller joins the boards. He should be on his way. >>
Gotta reserve my space early!
Get popcorn girl ready.
Please share your buying ID so that I, too, can avoid potentially doing business with you.
The OP should beg Carol to close this thread.
You better come up with some dumb excuse like my drunk brother hacked my EBAY and PSA message board account and I really did not write this because you have outed yourself as a total loser.
I do give you credit for a very accurate screen name.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
<< <i>This is going to get ugly. I bet this is up to 100 posts by tomorrow AM.
The OP should beg Carol to close this thread.
You better come up with some dumb excuse like my drunk brother hacked my EBAY and PSA message board account and I really did not write this because you have outed yourself as a total loser. >>
I took screenshots just in case for the seller.
<< <i>What is your ebay username? >>
I will get that from the seller so everyone can add the OP to there blocked bidder list.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>thanks to the link to the auction posted it's pretty easy to go into the feedback the seller has left for others and see the user name. >>
Derf derf, you are right, I was so taken back with the OP that I completely forgot he mentioned he already received feedback from the seller.
Doh! That's right. Good point.
As I told the seller, I take responsibility for not noticing the smudge of missing ink in the signature and I admit that I should have looked more closely at the scan in the listing before sending an offer. That doesn't mean I'm not allowed to be disappointed that the autograph is not as good as I had hoped or expected, and if someone thinks my mere mention of it is grounds to block me as a buyer, then you might have your own issues to consider as a seller. You should want me to buy your stuff. Most buyers would have negged immediately. Not only haven't I done that, but even at this point, even after he annoyed me for no reason by requesting positive feedback two weeks after the transaction was completely finished, I'm still refraining from posting any feedback at all, solely out of the goodness of my heart. I've dealt with my share of problem buyers, and I can assure you I'm not one of them. My ID is 23.Jordan and if you think I deserve to be blocked because of what's going on here, I hope you block me, because that will be an easy way for me to avoid buying from you.
His feedback is over 3000 and mostly positive. Why would he care if I post positive feedback for him? Once feedback gets to be over 100 or so, avoiding neutrals and negatives becomes a lot more important than getting positives.
As for the magnetic case it was shipped in, it wasn't properly secured shut. Basically, the two pieces of the holder were misaligned and this caused the card to get stuck to one side of the case in an awkward position. Unfortunately, I don't think I can explain it any better than that, and I didn't take any pictures because I had no idea this issue was going to arise after the fact. I don't even have the holder it was shipped in anymore. I put it in the trash last week. If I wanted to cause trouble, I could have been less meticulous in removing the card from the holder it was shipped in, and it could have easily sustained damage, but luckily it did not. If it had, I would have very easily and legitimately claimed it was damaged in transit due to poor packaging. Then the seller would have had to accept a return and issue a full refund for damaged merchandise, meaning he would have gotten screwed. I saved him $65 because I'm a good buyer, not one who deserves to be blocked. If you can't see that, maybe you should try looking at this from a new perspective.
<< <i>It's not extortion, because I'm not requiring him to do anything or send me any money in order to avoid negative feedback. All he has to do is ignore me and I will ignore him. Nothing will happen. The request for $25 is an offer that I made to let myself be bribed in exchange for positive feedback on a transaction that I didn't think deserved a positive. I'm not bribing him; I'm offering to let myself be bribed. There's a huge difference. If he responds, the negative will be for e-mail harassment, not for poor packaging, and not for INAD. I was sitting at home, minding my own business, not causing him any trouble. I never asked to return the card, never communicated any displeasure, nothing. The card is stored away and I considered this transaction completely over when he decided to open a huge can of worms.
As I told the seller, I take responsibility for not noticing the smudge of missing ink in the signature and I admit that I should have looked more closely at the scan in the listing before sending an offer. That doesn't mean I'm not allowed to be disappointed that the autograph is not as good as I had hoped or expected, and if someone thinks my mere mention of it is grounds to block me as a buyer, then you might have your own issues to consider as a seller. You should want me to buy your stuff. Most buyers would have negged immediately. Not only haven't I done that, but even at this point, even after he annoyed me for no reason by requesting positive feedback two weeks after the transaction was completely finished, I'm still refraining from posting any feedback at all, solely out of the goodness of my heart. I've dealt with my share of problem buyers, and I can assure you I'm not one of them. My ID is 23.Jordan and if you think I deserve to be blocked because of what's going on here, I hope you block me, because that will be an easy way for me to avoid buying from you.
His feedback is over 3000 and mostly positive. Why would he care if I post positive feedback for him? Once feedback gets to be over 100 or so, avoiding neutrals and negatives becomes a lot more important than getting positives.
As for the magnetic case it was shipped in, it wasn't properly secured shut. Basically, the two pieces of the holder were misaligned and this caused the card to get stuck to one side of the case in an awkward position. Unfortunately, I don't think I can explain it any better than that, and I didn't take any pictures because I had no idea this issue was going to arise after the fact. I don't even have the holder it was shipped in anymore. I put it in the trash last week. If I wanted to cause trouble, I could have been less meticulous in removing the card from the holder it was shipped in, and it could have easily sustained damage, but luckily it did not. If it had, I would have very easily and legitimately claimed it was damaged in transit due to poor packaging. Then the seller would have had to accept a return and issue a full refund for damaged merchandise, meaning he would have gotten screwed. I saved him $65 because I'm a good buyer, not one who deserves to be blocked. If you can't see that, maybe you should try looking at this from a new perspective. >>
Dig that hole deeper and deeper sir. You will refund me $25 or I will leave you a negative feedback. Do you need us to past eBay's definition of what feedback extortion is, because they could use your exact wording as the example for it.
You might think you were smooth with how you worded your response to the seller, but thankfully you posted your true intentions to these boards and your words show clearly that if you don't get a $25 refund you will leave a neg.
<< <i>You admit you didn't look at the picture which clearly shows the auto and missing ink, and now want to demand a partial refund to keep the card? >>
Uhhhhh, NO. Please read more carefully. Thank you.
<< <i>It's not extortion, because I'm not requiring him to do anything or send me any money in order to avoid negative feedback. All he has to do is ignore me and I will ignore him. Nothing will happen. The request for $25 is an offer that I made to let myself be bribed in exchange for positive feedback on a transaction that I didn't think deserved a positive. I'm not bribing him; I'm offering to let myself be bribed. There's a huge difference. If he responds, the negative will be for e-mail harassment, not for poor packaging, and not for INAD. I was sitting at home, minding my own business, not causing him any trouble. I never asked to return the card, never communicated any displeasure, nothing. The card is stored away and I considered this transaction completely over when he decided to open a huge can of worms.
As I told the seller, I take responsibility for not noticing the smudge of missing ink in the signature and I admit that I should have looked more closely at the scan in the listing before sending an offer. That doesn't mean I'm not allowed to be disappointed that the autograph is not as good as I had hoped or expected, and if someone thinks my mere mention of it is grounds to block me as a buyer, then you might have your own issues to consider as a seller. You should want me to buy your stuff. Most buyers would have negged immediately. Not only haven't I done that, but even at this point, even after he annoyed me for no reason by requesting positive feedback two weeks after the transaction was completely finished, I'm still refraining from posting any feedback at all, solely out of the goodness of my heart. I've dealt with my share of problem buyers, and I can assure you I'm not one of them. My ID is 23.Jordan and if you think I deserve to be blocked because of what's going on here, I hope you block me, because that will be an easy way for me to avoid buying from you.
His feedback is over 3000 and mostly positive. Why would he care if I post positive feedback for him? Once feedback gets to be over 100 or so, avoiding neutrals and negatives becomes a lot more important than getting positives.
As for the magnetic case it was shipped in, it wasn't properly secured shut. Basically, the two pieces of the holder were misaligned and this caused the card to get stuck to one side of the case in an awkward position. Unfortunately, I don't think I can explain it any better than that, and I didn't take any pictures because I had no idea this issue was going to arise after the fact. I don't even have the holder it was shipped in anymore. I put it in the trash last week. If I wanted to cause trouble, I could have been less meticulous in removing the card from the holder it was shipped in, and it could have easily sustained damage, but luckily it did not. If it had, I would have very easily and legitimately claimed it was damaged in transit due to poor packaging. Then the seller would have had to accept a return and issue a full refund for damaged merchandise, meaning he would have gotten screwed. I saved him $65 because I'm a good buyer, not one who deserves to be blocked. If you can't see that, maybe you should try looking at this from a new perspective. >>
<< <i>Dig that hole deeper and deeper sir. You will refund me $25 or I will leave you a negative feedback. Do you need us to past eBay's definition of what feedback extortion is, because they could use your exact wording as the example for it. >>
No dude, I didn't tell him to refund me $25 to avoid a neg. I told him I'd sell him a positive for $25. All he has to do to avoid a neg is stop bothering me.
Sounds like he went to the Welborn school of spin too.
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<< <i>You admit you didn't look at the picture which clearly shows the auto and missing ink, and now want to demand a partial refund to keep the card? >>
Uhhhhh, NO. Please read more carefully. Thank you. >>
My bad, you admit you glanced over the picture being lazy which clearly shows the auto and missing ink and because you were lazy you should get a refund? Give us a damn break. Your best bet is to walk away from this thread, it clearly didn't go as you thought it would and everytime you respond it will continue to go downhill. You fcuked up bigtime, hell you might as well walk away from these boards and your username at this point sir.
You are now requesting that members of the board should some how look at this from a new perspective. The fact that he asked you to leave him feedback after he left you feedback is not grounds under any circumstances to attempt to bribe him to get you to leave feedback.
Period.
This must be written in chinese cos I don't understand.
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<< <i>Dig that hole deeper and deeper sir. You will refund me $25 or I will leave you a negative feedback. Do you need us to past eBay's definition of what feedback extortion is, because they could use your exact wording as the example for it. >>
No dude, I didn't tell him to refund me $25 to avoid a neg. I told him I'd sell him a positive for $25. All he has to do to avoid a neg is stop bothering me. >>
Still broke rules.
<< <i>Your best bet is to walk away from this thread, it clearly didn't go as you thought it would and everytime you respond it will continue to go downhill. You fcuked up bigtime, hell you might as well walk away from these boards and your username at this point sir. >>
Walk away? Why? Because you don't like me based on your misunderstanding of what I posted? Because you think it was a dick move? You think I "fcuked up?" That's hilarious. If nobody else is amused by this thread, I certainly am. I definitely don't care what the seller thinks of it, and I don't care what the people here who have blocked me think. I haven't extorted anybody, I haven't ripped anybody off or stolen from anyone. That's not grounds to walk away. I posted my ebay ID. I have nothing to hide and I haven't done anything wrong.
Examples of Feedback extortion
The buyer can't threaten to leave negative Feedback or low detailed seller ratings (DSRs) if the seller won't:
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Accept a return and pay for return shipping.
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Give a full or partial refund for an item.
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Lower the shipping and handling costs.
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Refund payment before the buyer ships the item back to the seller.
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Send an extra item that wasn't part of the original listing. (This doesn't include when a buyer requests a replacement for an item that doesn't match the original item description.)
The seller can't:
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Refuse to ship the item or refund the buyer unless the buyer leaves positive Feedback or high detailed seller ratings.
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Tell the buyer that they can’t use a warranty included in the listing unless the buyer leaves positive Feedback or high detailed seller ratings.
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Offer monetary compensation, like a partial refund, to the buyer in exchange for positive Feedback or revising negative or neutral Feedback.
<< <i>The request for $25 is an offer that I made to let myself be bribed in exchange for positive feedback on a transaction that I didn't think deserved a positive. I'm not bribing him; I'm offering to let myself be bribed
This must be written in chinese cos I don't understand. >>
As I explained a few minutes ago, I didn't tell him to refund me $25 to avoid a neg. I told him I'd sell him a positive for $25. All he has to do to avoid a neg is stop bothering me.
I now understand Mandarin. This is waaaayy too entertaining. Just made some coffee.