<< <i>OTW, can you imagine a seller sending you the wrong card.......and then you being honest enough to email the seller to make them aware of their mistake....and then request funds to forward that card to the intended buyer.....and the seller not responding to you?
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And then extorting them and threatening to throw the package in the trash if they didn't follow your ransom demands!?!?!
While I generally agree that anybody who takes time out of their day to request feedback (whether writing manually or setting up the automation) has a few screws loose, you (OP) did him one better with your response. First of all, any suggestion that shipping a card in a magnetic case which is then placed in a bubble mailer is not adequate is ridiculous. The case isn't coming open and the card is protected by 1/8" of plastic; no card is ever getting damaged this way. You could put the thing in a paint can mixer for 3 hours and the card isn't going to get hurt. If you had a difficult time opening the case, what are the chances the card comes loose because it 'was not secured properly'? Second, as has already been well-documented, the scan in the auction clearly shows the smudge, and you've already admitted several times this was your fault for missing it. As far as I can tell these are your only two complaints (other than the requesting of feedback) so you really have no right to be upset with the transaction itself which means your response to him was completely unnecessary and over the top. The fact that you came here to brag about it expecting applause tells me you're not very connected to reality and have trouble getting others to relate to you (and vice versa).
As far as the feedback request goes, leaving feedback is about 19th on my list of ebay priorities, so I get to it when I get to it. Generally speaking, I will ignore the first or second request for feedback. After the 3rd one I get annoyed and will usually leave positive feedback to the effect of "If you want to receive a message every 3 days begging for feedback then buy from this seller" with 5 stars because the seller didn't actually do anything wrong pertaining to the transaction and should not be penalized monetarily for being annoying. If you feel the need to tell an annoying person what you think of them, there are other ways that are far less abrasive.
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<< <i>While I generally agree that anybody who takes time out of their day to request feedback (whether writing manually or setting up the automation) has a few screws loose, you (OP) did him one better with your response. First of all, any suggestion that shipping a card in a magnetic case which is then placed in a bubble mailer is not adequate is ridiculous. The case isn't coming open and the card is protected by 1/8" of plastic; no card is ever getting damaged this way. You could put the thing in a paint can mixer for 3 hours and the card isn't going to get hurt. If you had a difficult time opening the case, what are the chances the card comes loose because it 'was not secured properly'? Second, as has already been well-documented, the scan in the auction clearly shows the smudge, and you've already admitted several times this was your fault for missing it. As far as I can tell these are your only two complaints (other than the requesting of feedback) so you really have no right to be upset with the transaction itself which means your response to him was completely unnecessary and over the top. The fact that you came here to brag about it expecting applause tells me you're not very connected to reality and have trouble getting others to relate to you (and vice versa).
As far as the feedback request goes, leaving feedback is about 19th on my list of ebay priorities, so I get to it when I get to it. Generally speaking, I will ignore the first or second request for feedback. After the 3rd one I get annoyed and will usually leave positive feedback to the effect of "If you want to receive a message every 3 days begging for feedback then buy from this seller" with 5 stars because the seller didn't actually do anything wrong pertaining to the transaction and should not be penalized monetarily for being annoying. If you feel the need to tell an annoying person what you think of them, there are other ways that are far less abrasive.
Lee >>
I agree with a great deal of this, with one exception: I think of lot of buyers have gotten jaded by the whole "EBay as a big business" mentality and forgotten that there are a LOT of small sellers out there. For them, every bit of positive feedback can help them immensely - it could help them overcome the large impact of one bad transaction or one bad buyer, it could help them free their funds from the clutches of PayPal's new "distrust all new sellers" policy, or it could simply bump their visible feedback number up a bit to make their auctions sell better.
In 10+ years on Ebay, I've NEVER stiffed a small/medium seller on feedback unless I was saving them a neutral. NEVER. If they took the time to list,sell, and ship me an item I wanted, I can certainly take the time to click a few buttons and cut/paste some feedback text every few days.
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I've over 100 feedback and still sometimes have payments held even though I've never had a recall or incident on paypal... The system is pretty broken...
I've had money held for a month because someone wouldn't leave feedback on a $700 card.... It's pretty stressful having that tied up...
<< <i>You sir are an A-Hole of epic proportions. >>
I think this about sums it up >>
Was this actually in doubt even before this thread?
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In 10+ years on Ebay, I've NEVER stiffed a small/medium seller on feedback unless I was saving them a neutral. NEVER.
Nor have I. Whether they get their feedback in a day, a week or a month doesn't really make any difference. I sell WAY more than I buy on ebay with a rating of 2600+ 100% and have not once ever requested feedback from a buyer. It's a pointless waste of time and has no real monetary value once you get past 200 feedbacks. Describe accurately, pack well, ship promptly and your feedback will take care of itself. Whether you have a rating of 500 or 700 will make no difference in your sales, so why go out of your way to solicit for feedback? Especially when you get loons like the OP who could kill your stars or leave a neg for getting on their nerves.
<< <i>Can you imagine if Crazy had gotten the wrong card and instead got a card intended for someone else? He might have held it hostage and extorted the seller... Gecko should be the last one explaining the etiquette of dealing with eBay sellers!!! >>
<< <i>In 10+ years on Ebay, I've NEVER stiffed a small/medium seller on feedback unless I was saving them a neutral. NEVER.
Nor have I. Whether they get their feedback in a day, a week or a month doesn't really make any difference. I sell WAY more than I buy on ebay with a rating of 2600+ 100% and have not once ever requested feedback from a buyer. It's a pointless waste of time and has no real monetary value once you get past 200 feedbacks. Describe accurately, pack well, ship promptly and your feedback will take care of itself. Whether you have a rating of 500 or 700 will make no difference in your sales, so why go out of your way to solicit for feedback? Especially when you get loons like the OP who could kill your stars or leave a neg for getting on their nerves. >>
WRONG. It does have monetary value. My feedback is in the high 3 digits, and simply because I hadn't sold in months PayPal started holding my funds for up to 21 days when I resumed selling. Every bit of positive feedback on the few sales I had outstanding went a LONG way to freeing those up, and the d-bags who couldn't be bothered to leave any feedback even on $400 items they received in 3 days after sale cost me access to MY money. How many of you buyers who don't bother with feedback check the seller's feedback number for deciding to not leave any? I agree leaving any for 4SC is pointless, but not when you buy any item from Joe lunchpail.
That being said, I agree fishing for feedback is pointless. It shouldn't be necessary to ask the buyer to complete the traditional Ebay process, but it's pointless to ask.
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<< <i>This is going to get ugly. I bet this is up to 100 posts by tomorrow AM.
The OP should beg Carol to close this thread.
You better come up with some dumb excuse like my drunk brother hacked my EBAY and PSA message board account and I really did not write this because you have outed yourself as a total loser. >>
David's insight on page 1 was spot on, good job!
I am sorry I missed this last night before it went out of control, although reading how it developed was entertaining. I'm late to the party, but here are my comments:
1. Begging for feedback drives me nuts. I've never done it, and when you go out of your way to do it, it is petty. There was nothing wrong with the OP telling the seller off for begging for feedback.
HOWEVER
2. The OP sunk himself by getting money involved with feedback. There was nothing wrong with telling the seller off for asking for feedback and then explaining why none was given. However, mixing money with feedback WILL get you in hot water with eBay, even if this was not the OP's intent.
3. On the issue of the scan: Was the scan less than ideal? Yes. Should the seller have mentioned the issue with the autograph? Yes. However, was there an appropriate recourse available? Yes; as stated earlier, a return policy was available, and if the OP had used that recourse in a courteous fashion (i.e. "I just received the card, I didn't notice that part of the autograph was smudged, can I return it?"), there would have been no issue. I am going to highly doubt that the seller intentionally took the picture such that the glare distorted that exact part of the autograph, he either noticed it and thought it was no big deal or did not notice it at all.
So, in summary, the OP had a valid point to have a thread about people requesting feedback, and there probably would have been 10 posts with everyone agreeing how annoying it is, and we all would have forgotten about it and moved on. Basically, however, he did something careless and blew up the board.
<< <i> 1. Begging for feedback drives me nuts. I've never done it, and when you go out of your way to do it, it is petty. There was nothing wrong with the OP telling the seller off for begging for feedback.
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I'm apparently tilting at windmills here, but this seems to be the right thread for that so I'll say it one more time: some sellers NEED the feedback to become more successful sellers, or just to get their friggin' money from PayPal. Let's not lose sight of that when saying that a simple request for feedback is somehow "begging". Is it really any different than those little notes some sellers put in their packages reminding the buyer?
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Unfortunately feedback is important. Especially, if you are a small seller and have under 500 positives. It is not the be all end all, but it could be the result of a bid or % save for fees. I just don't inderstand why so many people take the feedback e-mail so negatively. No big deal and issue the feedback. In this case the buyer missed the smudge, error or crappy auto. He should give positive feedback and NOT give an ultimatum. It is difficult buying over the internet and there is a responsibility on both sides of the sell.
<< <i> 1. Begging for feedback drives me nuts. I've never done it, and when you go out of your way to do it, it is petty. There was nothing wrong with the OP telling the seller off for begging for feedback.
<< <i>
I'm apparently tilting at windmills here, but this seems to be the right thread for that so I'll say it one more time: some sellers NEED the feedback to become more successful sellers, or just to get their friggin' money from PayPal. Let's not lose sight of that when saying that a simple request for feedback is somehow "begging". Is it really any different than those little notes some sellers put in their packages reminding the buyer? >>
BKing,
You're spot on with that comment, I didn't mean to ignore that aspect of the issue. However, this seller had over 3000 positives, so that was not an issue here. If you're a new seller and Paypal holds you money, there are three ways to have it released:
1. Receive a positive 2. DC shows it was delivered, and after 1-2 days (I forget the exact number), you get your money 3. After so many days after the sale was completed, you get your money.
If you use DC, you don't need to ask for the feedback. If you choose to ask for the feedback, it would come off as less needy if you explain why you are asking for the feedback, then the buyer may not feel put-off and give you feedback so you can get your money.
<< <i> 1. Begging for feedback drives me nuts. I've never done it, and when you go out of your way to do it, it is petty. There was nothing wrong with the OP telling the seller off for begging for feedback.
<< <i>
I'm apparently tilting at windmills here, but this seems to be the right thread for that so I'll say it one more time: some sellers NEED the feedback to become more successful sellers, or just to get their friggin' money from PayPal. Let's not lose sight of that when saying that a simple request for feedback is somehow "begging". Is it really any different than those little notes some sellers put in their packages reminding the buyer? >>
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BKing,
You're spot on with that comment, I didn't mean to ignore that aspect of the issue. However, this seller had over 3000 positives, so that was not an issue here. If you're a new seller and Paypal holds you money, there are three ways to have it released:
1. Receive a positive 2. DC shows it was delivered, and after 1-2 days (I forget the exact number), you get your money 3. After so many days after the sale was completed, you get your money.
If you use DC, you don't need to ask for the feedback. If you choose to ask for the feedback, it would come off as less needy if you explain why you are asking for the feedback, then the buyer may not feel put-off and give you feedback so you can get your money. >>
Yeah, I'm overstating the impact the PayPal holds had on me a bit to illustrate a point, as I shipped everything I sold with DC, but I did have 1 of 5 items I sold the same weekend where the DC didn't update for several days. Trying to follow my self-imposed budget, this cost me a purchase I really wanted when I discovered the new PP rules. A simple positive feedback would have rendered that meaningless.
Of course, I could have been one of "those" buyers and just delayed payment for a week or so, but that's just not how I roll...
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I didn't realize ebay was holding funds hostage until a positive was received; kind of ridiculous.
I can see how this would be annoying. That being said, there is nothing in the ebay TOS that says you have to leave feedback. A buyer's responsibility is to pay for an item they agreed to pay for, and anything above that is a bonus as far as I'm concerned. Is it the right thing to do to leave feedback? Probably. Do you have a right to get angry when people don't leave feedback? Not really. You're getting upset at a buyer because of ebay's ridiculous policies which seems irrational to me. My goals on ebay are to 1) make money, and 2) buy things I would like to own. Those are my top 2 priorities, and it's a much better use of my time to scan and list several hundred dollars worth of cards then leave feedback for other sellers. I always find the time to leave feedback every few weeks or so, but I'm not going to stress myself out about it any further when I could be making money or searching for things to buy instead. I wouldn't expect anybody else to do anything different.
When I take my car in to get an oil change I get a call a few days later asking me to take a survey. I always politely decline. If I kept getting this call over and over (luckily I don't) I would start to get pissed and take my car elsewhere.
<< <i>I didn't realize ebay was holding funds hostage until a positive was received; kind of ridiculous.
I can see how this would be annoying. That being said, there is nothing in the ebay TOS that says you have to leave feedback. A buyer's responsibility is to pay for an item they agreed to pay for, and anything above that is a bonus as far as I'm concerned. Is it the right thing to do to leave feedback? Probably. Do you have a right to get angry when people don't leave feedback? Not really. You're getting upset at a buyer because of ebay's ridiculous policies which seems irrational to me. My goals on ebay are to 1) make money, and 2) buy things I would like to own. Those are my top 2 priorities, and it's a much better use of my time to scan and list several hundred dollars worth of cards then leave feedback for other sellers. I always find the time to leave feedback every few weeks or so, but I'm not going to stress myself out about it any further when I could be making money or searching for things to buy instead. I wouldn't expect anybody else to do anything different.
When I take my car in to get an oil change I get a call a few days later asking me to take a survey. I always politely decline. If I kept getting this call over and over (luckily I don't) I would start to get pissed and take my car elsewhere. >>
Yep, it was the one and only time I have EVER contemplated sending an reminder email for feedback was when the DC didn't post and PP held my funds. I apologized in the email for even sending it, explained that PP had this new policy, and asked politely ONCE for feedback if the buyer was happy - no reply. Luckily, the DC eventually posted. If it hadn't, I assume PP would STILL be holding those funds until I proved I wasn't a crook.
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<< <i>I didn't realize ebay was holding funds hostage until a positive was received; kind of ridiculous.
I can see how this would be annoying. >>
Only for new sellers. Once you get to 100 positives or so, this doesn't happen anymore. You can also get the funds released if you show proof of delivery.
<< <i>I didn't realize ebay was holding funds hostage until a positive was received; kind of ridiculous.
I can see how this would be annoying. That being said, there is nothing in the ebay TOS that says you have to leave feedback. A buyer's responsibility is to pay for an item they agreed to pay for, and anything above that is a bonus as far as I'm concerned. Is it the right thing to do to leave feedback? Probably. Do you have a right to get angry when people don't leave feedback? Not really. You're getting upset at a buyer because of ebay's ridiculous policies which seems irrational to me. My goals on ebay are to 1) make money, and 2) buy things I would like to own. Those are my top 2 priorities, and it's a much better use of my time to scan and list several hundred dollars worth of cards then leave feedback for other sellers. I always find the time to leave feedback every few weeks or so, but I'm not going to stress myself out about it any further when I could be making money or searching for things to buy instead. I wouldn't expect anybody else to do anything different.
When I take my car in to get an oil change I get a call a few days later asking me to take a survey. I always politely decline. If I kept getting this call over and over (luckily I don't) I would start to get pissed and take my car elsewhere. >>
Yep, it was the one and only time I have EVER contemplated sending an reminder email for feedback was when the DC didn't post and PP held my funds. I apologized in the email for even sending it, explained that PP had this new policy, and asked politely ONCE for feedback if the buyer was happy - no reply. Luckily, the DC eventually posted. If it hadn't, I assume PP would STILL be holding those funds until I proved I wasn't a crook. >>
That was the right way to do it.
If feedback is never left and DC is never shown, Paypal does eventually release the money, but I think it takes 21 days to a month.
I've been using eBay for almost 13 years, and I can count the number of bad transactions I've had on a single hand. The system is broken, but that doesn't mean smart individuals can't work together to overcome the idiocy of the institutionalized bureaucracy. Of course, the people who need this information most are the ones least likely to read it, which is a sad fact of life.
Please ask any question you like. As Mr. Garrison explained to Kyle, Cartman, Kenny, and Stan when they were in the third grade, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
Have a nice day!
I don't believe he wants anyone to have a nice day.
With regards to ebay feedback, I consider it common courtesy. I don't get to it immediately, but I try to always do it...and often I'll get on there and do feedback for a bunch all at the same time.
And yes, I've gotten requests for feedback before... and it's never really bothered me. I've bought more than I've sold, but I know when I've sold something... if there's no feedback after a few weeks I get worried if something perhaps went wrong?
Regardless, the OP admitted he made a dick move. What I still don't understand is, does he realize he probably shouldn't have posted this either?
As for the rules of ebay, let me just say this (as someone with a law degree).... forget the "letter" of the law on this. Is there anyone here, including the OP, who thinks that his note to the seller is not a violation of the "spirit" of the law under which ebay wants us all to operate?
Look, people have bad days and can be in a bad mood. We say things we regret. I hope the OP understands that he went too far, and maybe sends another note to the seller saying that. He doesn't have to leave feedback if he doesn't want to, but he should at least say "hey, I was over the line. sorry."
Look, people have bad days and can be in a bad mood. We say things we regret. I hope the OP understands that he went too far, and maybe sends another note to the seller saying that. He doesn't have to leave feedback if he doesn't want to, but he should at least say "hey, I was over the line. sorry."
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<< <i>vintagechris: If a seller emails you and asks for feedback(essentially he is asking if you are a satisfied customer, nothing wrong with that), you could have just emailed him and told him your concerns in a polite way. >>
My problem is that he didn't ask if I was a satisfied customer; he assumed I was. Then later on, he proceeded to lecture me on my "obligation to the ebay community to leave feedback." I admit I'm not much better than him in certain ways, but the guy is a total douche. If my obligation is to let others know what I thought of the seller, then he should have asked for "whatever feedback you feel is appropriate." He specifically asked for a positive without first confirming I was satisfied with my purchase. He can get bent.
<< <i>otwcards: Can you imagine if Crazy had gotten the wrong card and instead got a card intended for someone else? He might have held it hostage and extorted the seller... Gecko should be the last one explaining the etiquette of dealing with eBay sellers!!! >>
Um, no, that wouldn't have happened at all, because I'm not a thief, and I understand mistakes get made. Why don't you and Sean go somewhere and fight with each other?
<< <i>Lee: any suggestion that shipping a card in a magnetic case which is then placed in a bubble mailer is not adequate is ridiculous. The case isn't coming open and the card is protected by 1/8" of plastic; no card is ever getting damaged this way. You could put the thing in a paint can mixer for 3 hours and the card isn't going to get hurt. If you had a difficult time opening the case, what are the chances the card comes loose because it 'was not secured properly'? >>
I'm sorry, but you did not have the honor of opening this specific package, so with all due respect, you really don't know what you're talking about here. The holder is comprised of two pieces of plastic, each with its own magnet. The tabs on the top piece were not aligned properly in the slots on the bottom piece, and therefore, the case was not shut properly. Additionally, because the magnets were misaligned, they behaved abnormally (you can ask a science teacher for a detailed explanation on this) and created an extremely tight seal on the magnet end of the holder, while the tab end of the holder was somewhat loose. However, I was unable to pry the tab end open far enough to safely remove the card without freeing the magnets from each other at the other end.
As I was doing exactly that, I wasn't sure if the card itself was stuck to either side of the holder or not. This is because the seller used a 75pt. holder for a 100pt. card, and the card couldn't have been completely flush with the holder, even if the holder had been properly aligned. All it takes for a card like this to get stuck to a holder is a little bit of moisture. If not removed extremely carefully, paper loss is virtually guaranteed.
To this day, I'm not sure if the card had stuck just a little to the plastic, or if the undersized holder combined with the misaligned magnets were the only issues. In any event, there was luckily no damage due to the poor packaging, so I thought withholding all feedback and forgetting about the entire experience (and keeping the card) was the wisest course of action. I thought wrong.
<< <i>Lee: The fact that you came here to brag about it expecting applause tells me you're not very connected to reality and have trouble getting others to relate to you (and vice versa). >>
I'm not disconnected from reality. I just have an atypical perspective on it. I wasn't expecting applause. I was expecting to amuse myself and a few others, and I accomplished that. Sure, some of the enjoyment I got out of starting and participating in this thread last night was a bit perverse, but nobody got hurt. There's no victim here. It's ebay. In other words, it's a JOKE.
<< <i>TonyC: On the issue of the scan: Was the scan less than ideal? Yes. Should the seller have mentioned the issue with the autograph? Yes. >>
Thank you for agreeing with me on this. As for your other points, I understand where you're coming from, but I would also like to reiterate that I never asked for a refund. I never complained to the seller. I did not post negative feedback. I did not post neutral feedback. I did not ding stars on positive feedback. I did not post the seller's personal contact information. All I did was respond in poor taste to an unsolicited message that from my perspective was sent to me in poor taste. And then I posted about it, which to some people is probably a worse offense than anything I said directly to the seller.
Too often I think, when an ebay transaction is less than perfect, people automatically jump to the conclusion that the best remedy is to return the item for a full refund. But that fails to recognize that the buyer is allowed to be partially dissatisfied with the transaction and still keep the item. That's all I was doing for two weeks, when out of the blue, the seller picked the wrong day to push one of my buttons. "If you're unsatisfied for any reason, please return the item for a full refund" doesn't always cut it, and can actually be quite condescending under certain circumstances, such as this one. Once the seller asked for positive feedback, I felt I was entitled to air my grievances without being forced into a corner where I had to choose between either having my grievances delegitimatized or sending the card back for a refund. It's not all or nothing. "If you keep the item you have no right to complain" is complete B.S. Sadly, that's what it has come to for a lot of buyers and sellers on ebay, and especially for many people on this board. I decided to keep the card at full price, not ask for a partial or full refund, and keep my mouth shut, at least for two weeks until the seller solicited a reaction out of me. I totally get that I can be criticizing for SAYING the wrong things over the past 24 hours, but it's totally unfair for anyone to criticize me for DOING the wrong things over the past two weeks.
<< <i>bking: Was this actually in doubt even before this thread? >>
Why don't you take somebody's Mantle cards on a group sub and then disappear without a single word of communication for 3 months? Or, since you've already done that, why don't you lambaste me for harping on someone's poor spelling and grammar, even though I've never done anything of the sort? Oh wait, you've already done that too. Never mind then.
Dan, that is not always the case. Until you pin Frank Costanza, Festivus is not over.
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
<< <i>otwcards: Can you imagine if Crazy had gotten the wrong card and instead got a card intended for someone else? He might have held it hostage and extorted the seller... Gecko should be the last one explaining the etiquette of dealing with eBay sellers!!! >>
Um, no, that wouldn't have happened at all, because I'm not a thief, and I understand mistakes get made. Why don't you and Sean go somewhere and fight with each other? >>
Your knowledge of CU history seems to be lacking. The comment was a dig at another member and his EXACT actions in the situation outlined, but alas, feel free to deflect the foolishness of your actions. And that's what they were . . . foolish!
<< <i>I was expecting to amuse myself and a few others, and I accomplished that.
Name the few others. The only amusement anybody is getting here is at your expense. >>
If you think that distinction matters to me, you'd be wrong. See, I don't care that I'm being laughed at. All I care about is that my statement is correct. I set out to amuse people, and I did that.
Now you are taking a victory lap after becoming the largest blocked bidder on CU. You might want to rethink your excitement because you not only did not win the battle, you lost the war too.
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<< <i>OTW, can you imagine a seller sending you the wrong card.......and then you being honest enough to email the seller to make them aware of their mistake....and then request funds to forward that card to the intended buyer.....and the seller not responding to you?
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And then extorting them and threatening to throw the package in the trash if they didn't follow your ransom demands!?!?!
You handled that like a clown!
As far as the feedback request goes, leaving feedback is about 19th on my list of ebay priorities, so I get to it when I get to it. Generally speaking, I will ignore the first or second request for feedback. After the 3rd one I get annoyed and will usually leave positive feedback to the effect of "If you want to receive a message every 3 days begging for feedback then buy from this seller" with 5 stars because the seller didn't actually do anything wrong pertaining to the transaction and should not be penalized monetarily for being annoying. If you feel the need to tell an annoying person what you think of them, there are other ways that are far less abrasive.
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<< <i>While I generally agree that anybody who takes time out of their day to request feedback (whether writing manually or setting up the automation) has a few screws loose, you (OP) did him one better with your response. First of all, any suggestion that shipping a card in a magnetic case which is then placed in a bubble mailer is not adequate is ridiculous. The case isn't coming open and the card is protected by 1/8" of plastic; no card is ever getting damaged this way. You could put the thing in a paint can mixer for 3 hours and the card isn't going to get hurt. If you had a difficult time opening the case, what are the chances the card comes loose because it 'was not secured properly'? Second, as has already been well-documented, the scan in the auction clearly shows the smudge, and you've already admitted several times this was your fault for missing it. As far as I can tell these are your only two complaints (other than the requesting of feedback) so you really have no right to be upset with the transaction itself which means your response to him was completely unnecessary and over the top. The fact that you came here to brag about it expecting applause tells me you're not very connected to reality and have trouble getting others to relate to you (and vice versa).
As far as the feedback request goes, leaving feedback is about 19th on my list of ebay priorities, so I get to it when I get to it. Generally speaking, I will ignore the first or second request for feedback. After the 3rd one I get annoyed and will usually leave positive feedback to the effect of "If you want to receive a message every 3 days begging for feedback then buy from this seller" with 5 stars because the seller didn't actually do anything wrong pertaining to the transaction and should not be penalized monetarily for being annoying. If you feel the need to tell an annoying person what you think of them, there are other ways that are far less abrasive.
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I agree with a great deal of this, with one exception: I think of lot of buyers have gotten jaded by the whole "EBay as a big business" mentality and forgotten that there are a LOT of small sellers out there. For them, every bit of positive feedback can help them immensely - it could help them overcome the large impact of one bad transaction or one bad buyer, it could help them free their funds from the clutches of PayPal's new "distrust all new sellers" policy, or it could simply bump their visible feedback number up a bit to make their auctions sell better.
In 10+ years on Ebay, I've NEVER stiffed a small/medium seller on feedback unless I was saving them a neutral. NEVER. If they took the time to list,sell, and ship me an item I wanted, I can certainly take the time to click a few buttons and cut/paste some feedback text every few days.
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I've had money held for a month because someone wouldn't leave feedback on a $700 card.... It's pretty stressful having that tied up...
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<< <i>You sir are an A-Hole of epic proportions. >>
I think this about sums it up >>
Was this actually in doubt even before this thread?
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Be like this guy. Apologize to the forum and promise not to do it again.
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Nor have I. Whether they get their feedback in a day, a week or a month doesn't really make any difference. I sell WAY more than I buy on ebay with a rating of 2600+ 100% and have not once ever requested feedback from a buyer. It's a pointless waste of time and has no real monetary value once you get past 200 feedbacks. Describe accurately, pack well, ship promptly and your feedback will take care of itself. Whether you have a rating of 500 or 700 will make no difference in your sales, so why go out of your way to solicit for feedback? Especially when you get loons like the OP who could kill your stars or leave a neg for getting on their nerves.
<< <i>Can you imagine if Crazy had gotten the wrong card and instead got a card intended for someone else? He might have held it hostage and extorted the seller... Gecko should be the last one explaining the etiquette of dealing with eBay sellers!!! >>
Now that's not only funny but true.
<< <i>In 10+ years on Ebay, I've NEVER stiffed a small/medium seller on feedback unless I was saving them a neutral. NEVER.
Nor have I. Whether they get their feedback in a day, a week or a month doesn't really make any difference. I sell WAY more than I buy on ebay with a rating of 2600+ 100% and have not once ever requested feedback from a buyer. It's a pointless waste of time and has no real monetary value once you get past 200 feedbacks. Describe accurately, pack well, ship promptly and your feedback will take care of itself. Whether you have a rating of 500 or 700 will make no difference in your sales, so why go out of your way to solicit for feedback? Especially when you get loons like the OP who could kill your stars or leave a neg for getting on their nerves. >>
WRONG. It does have monetary value. My feedback is in the high 3 digits, and simply because I hadn't sold in months PayPal started holding my funds for up to 21 days when I resumed selling. Every bit of positive feedback on the few sales I had outstanding went a LONG way to freeing those up, and the d-bags who couldn't be bothered to leave any feedback even on $400 items they received in 3 days after sale cost me access to MY money. How many of you buyers who don't bother with feedback check the seller's feedback number for deciding to not leave any? I agree leaving any for 4SC is pointless, but not when you buy any item from Joe lunchpail.
That being said, I agree fishing for feedback is pointless. It shouldn't be necessary to ask the buyer to complete the traditional Ebay process, but it's pointless to ask.
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<< <i>This is going to get ugly. I bet this is up to 100 posts by tomorrow AM.
The OP should beg Carol to close this thread.
You better come up with some dumb excuse like my drunk brother hacked my EBAY and PSA message board account and I really did not write this because you have outed yourself as a total loser. >>
David's insight on page 1 was spot on, good job!
I am sorry I missed this last night before it went out of control, although reading how it developed was entertaining. I'm late to the party, but here are my comments:
1. Begging for feedback drives me nuts. I've never done it, and when you go out of your way to do it, it is petty. There was nothing wrong with the OP telling the seller off for begging for feedback.
HOWEVER
2. The OP sunk himself by getting money involved with feedback. There was nothing wrong with telling the seller off for asking for feedback and then explaining why none was given. However, mixing money with feedback WILL get you in hot water with eBay, even if this was not the OP's intent.
3. On the issue of the scan: Was the scan less than ideal? Yes. Should the seller have mentioned the issue with the autograph? Yes. However, was there an appropriate recourse available? Yes; as stated earlier, a return policy was available, and if the OP had used that recourse in a courteous fashion (i.e. "I just received the card, I didn't notice that part of the autograph was smudged, can I return it?"), there would have been no issue. I am going to highly doubt that the seller intentionally took the picture such that the glare distorted that exact part of the autograph, he either noticed it and thought it was no big deal or did not notice it at all.
So, in summary, the OP had a valid point to have a thread about people requesting feedback, and there probably would have been 10 posts with everyone agreeing how annoying it is, and we all would have forgotten about it and moved on. Basically, however, he did something careless and blew up the board.
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1. Begging for feedback drives me nuts. I've never done it, and when you go out of your way to do it, it is petty. There was nothing wrong with the OP telling the seller off for begging for feedback.
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I'm apparently tilting at windmills here, but this seems to be the right thread for that so I'll say it one more time: some sellers NEED the feedback to become more successful sellers, or just to get their friggin' money from PayPal. Let's not lose sight of that when saying that a simple request for feedback is somehow "begging". Is it really any different than those little notes some sellers put in their packages reminding the buyer?
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1. Begging for feedback drives me nuts. I've never done it, and when you go out of your way to do it, it is petty. There was nothing wrong with the OP telling the seller off for begging for feedback.
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I'm apparently tilting at windmills here, but this seems to be the right thread for that so I'll say it one more time: some sellers NEED the feedback to become more successful sellers, or just to get their friggin' money from PayPal. Let's not lose sight of that when saying that a simple request for feedback is somehow "begging". Is it really any different than those little notes some sellers put in their packages reminding the buyer? >>
BKing,
You're spot on with that comment, I didn't mean to ignore that aspect of the issue. However, this seller had over 3000 positives, so that was not an issue here. If you're a new seller and Paypal holds you money, there are three ways to have it released:
1. Receive a positive
2. DC shows it was delivered, and after 1-2 days (I forget the exact number), you get your money
3. After so many days after the sale was completed, you get your money.
If you use DC, you don't need to ask for the feedback. If you choose to ask for the feedback, it would come off as less needy if you explain why you are asking for the feedback, then the buyer may not feel put-off and give you feedback so you can get your money.
<< <i>Is it really any different than those little notes some sellers put in their packages reminding the buyer? >>
they should remind us with the stationery that has the dead presidents on it.
those little notes work every time.
<< <i>Can I get a triple Chipper for this one ???????????// >>
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1. Begging for feedback drives me nuts. I've never done it, and when you go out of your way to do it, it is petty. There was nothing wrong with the OP telling the seller off for begging for feedback.
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I'm apparently tilting at windmills here, but this seems to be the right thread for that so I'll say it one more time: some sellers NEED the feedback to become more successful sellers, or just to get their friggin' money from PayPal. Let's not lose sight of that when saying that a simple request for feedback is somehow "begging". Is it really any different than those little notes some sellers put in their packages reminding the buyer? >>
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BKing,
You're spot on with that comment, I didn't mean to ignore that aspect of the issue. However, this seller had over 3000 positives, so that was not an issue here. If you're a new seller and Paypal holds you money, there are three ways to have it released:
1. Receive a positive
2. DC shows it was delivered, and after 1-2 days (I forget the exact number), you get your money
3. After so many days after the sale was completed, you get your money.
If you use DC, you don't need to ask for the feedback. If you choose to ask for the feedback, it would come off as less needy if you explain why you are asking for the feedback, then the buyer may not feel put-off and give you feedback so you can get your money. >>
Yeah, I'm overstating the impact the PayPal holds had on me a bit to illustrate a point, as I shipped everything I sold with DC, but I did have 1 of 5 items I sold the same weekend where the DC didn't update for several days. Trying to follow my self-imposed budget, this cost me a purchase I really wanted when I discovered the new PP rules. A simple positive feedback would have rendered that meaningless.
Of course, I could have been one of "those" buyers and just delayed payment for a week or so, but that's just not how I roll...
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I can see how this would be annoying. That being said, there is nothing in the ebay TOS that says you have to leave feedback. A buyer's responsibility is to pay for an item they agreed to pay for, and anything above that is a bonus as far as I'm concerned. Is it the right thing to do to leave feedback? Probably. Do you have a right to get angry when people don't leave feedback? Not really. You're getting upset at a buyer because of ebay's ridiculous policies which seems irrational to me. My goals on ebay are to 1) make money, and 2)
buy things I would like to own. Those are my top 2 priorities, and it's a much better use of my time to scan and list several hundred dollars worth of cards then leave feedback for other sellers. I always find the time to leave feedback every few weeks or so, but I'm not going to stress myself out about it any further when I could be making money or searching for things to buy instead. I wouldn't expect anybody else to do anything different.
When I take my car in to get an oil change I get a call a few days later asking me to take a survey. I always politely decline. If I kept getting this call over and over (luckily I don't) I would start to get pissed and take my car elsewhere.
<< <i>I didn't realize ebay was holding funds hostage until a positive was received; kind of ridiculous.
I can see how this would be annoying. That being said, there is nothing in the ebay TOS that says you have to leave feedback. A buyer's responsibility is to pay for an item they agreed to pay for, and anything above that is a bonus as far as I'm concerned. Is it the right thing to do to leave feedback? Probably. Do you have a right to get angry when people don't leave feedback? Not really. You're getting upset at a buyer because of ebay's ridiculous policies which seems irrational to me. My goals on ebay are to 1) make money, and 2)
buy things I would like to own. Those are my top 2 priorities, and it's a much better use of my time to scan and list several hundred dollars worth of cards then leave feedback for other sellers. I always find the time to leave feedback every few weeks or so, but I'm not going to stress myself out about it any further when I could be making money or searching for things to buy instead. I wouldn't expect anybody else to do anything different.
When I take my car in to get an oil change I get a call a few days later asking me to take a survey. I always politely decline. If I kept getting this call over and over (luckily I don't) I would start to get pissed and take my car elsewhere. >>
Yep, it was the one and only time I have EVER contemplated sending an reminder email for feedback was when the DC didn't post and PP held my funds. I apologized in the email for even sending it, explained that PP had this new policy, and asked politely ONCE for feedback if the buyer was happy - no reply. Luckily, the DC eventually posted. If it hadn't, I assume PP would STILL be holding those funds until I proved I wasn't a crook.
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<< <i>I didn't realize ebay was holding funds hostage until a positive was received; kind of ridiculous.
I can see how this would be annoying. >>
Only for new sellers. Once you get to 100 positives or so, this doesn't happen anymore. You can also get the funds released if you show proof of delivery.
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<< <i>I didn't realize ebay was holding funds hostage until a positive was received; kind of ridiculous.
I can see how this would be annoying. That being said, there is nothing in the ebay TOS that says you have to leave feedback. A buyer's responsibility is to pay for an item they agreed to pay for, and anything above that is a bonus as far as I'm concerned. Is it the right thing to do to leave feedback? Probably. Do you have a right to get angry when people don't leave feedback? Not really. You're getting upset at a buyer because of ebay's ridiculous policies which seems irrational to me. My goals on ebay are to 1) make money, and 2)
buy things I would like to own. Those are my top 2 priorities, and it's a much better use of my time to scan and list several hundred dollars worth of cards then leave feedback for other sellers. I always find the time to leave feedback every few weeks or so, but I'm not going to stress myself out about it any further when I could be making money or searching for things to buy instead. I wouldn't expect anybody else to do anything different.
When I take my car in to get an oil change I get a call a few days later asking me to take a survey. I always politely decline. If I kept getting this call over and over (luckily I don't) I would start to get pissed and take my car elsewhere. >>
Yep, it was the one and only time I have EVER contemplated sending an reminder email for feedback was when the DC didn't post and PP held my funds. I apologized in the email for even sending it, explained that PP had this new policy, and asked politely ONCE for feedback if the buyer was happy - no reply. Luckily, the DC eventually posted. If it hadn't, I assume PP would STILL be holding those funds until I proved I wasn't a crook. >>
That was the right way to do it.
If feedback is never left and DC is never shown, Paypal does eventually release the money, but I think it takes 21 days to a month.
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I've been using eBay for almost 13 years, and I can count the number of bad transactions I've had on a single hand. The system is broken, but that doesn't mean smart individuals can't work together to overcome the idiocy of the institutionalized bureaucracy. Of course, the people who need this information most are the ones least likely to read it, which is a sad fact of life.
Please ask any question you like. As Mr. Garrison explained to Kyle, Cartman, Kenny, and Stan when they were in the third grade, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
Have a nice day!
I don't believe he wants anyone to have a nice day.
psychocool.
And yes, I've gotten requests for feedback before... and it's never really bothered me. I've bought more than I've sold, but I know when I've sold something... if there's no feedback after a few weeks I get worried if something perhaps went wrong?
Regardless, the OP admitted he made a dick move. What I still don't understand is, does he realize he probably shouldn't have posted this either?
As for the rules of ebay, let me just say this (as someone with a law degree).... forget the "letter" of the law on this. Is there anyone here, including the OP, who thinks that his note to the seller is not a violation of the "spirit" of the law under which ebay wants us all to operate?
Look, people have bad days and can be in a bad mood. We say things we regret. I hope the OP understands that he went too far, and maybe sends another note to the seller saying that. He doesn't have to leave feedback if he doesn't want to, but he should at least say "hey, I was over the line. sorry."
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<< <i>I miss Storm. >>
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<< <i>I miss Storm. >>
you'll find our hero valiantly fighting the good fight wherever subhuman scum is maliciously seeking to destroy this great democracy of ours >>
Edited to add: Where is storm?
<< <i>I miss Storm. >>
I miss Bill.
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<< <i>I miss Storm. >>
I miss Bill. >>
I miss fandango.
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<< <i>I miss Storm. >>
I miss Bill. >>
I miss fandango. >>
I miss hurricanes back in Florida.
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<< <i>I miss Storm. >>
I miss Bill. >>
Where's Bill?
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<< <i>vintagechris: If a seller emails you and asks for feedback(essentially he is asking if you are a satisfied customer, nothing wrong with that), you could have just emailed him and told him your concerns in a polite way. >>
My problem is that he didn't ask if I was a satisfied customer; he assumed I was. Then later on, he proceeded to lecture me on my "obligation to the ebay community to leave feedback." I admit I'm not much better than him in certain ways, but the guy is a total douche. If my obligation is to let others know what I thought of the seller, then he should have asked for "whatever feedback you feel is appropriate." He specifically asked for a positive without first confirming I was satisfied with my purchase. He can get bent.
<< <i>otwcards: Can you imagine if Crazy had gotten the wrong card and instead got a card intended for someone else? He might have held it hostage and extorted the seller... Gecko should be the last one explaining the etiquette of dealing with eBay sellers!!! >>
Um, no, that wouldn't have happened at all, because I'm not a thief, and I understand mistakes get made. Why don't you and Sean go somewhere and fight with each other?
<< <i>Lee: any suggestion that shipping a card in a magnetic case which is then placed in a bubble mailer is not adequate is ridiculous. The case isn't coming open and the card is protected by 1/8" of plastic; no card is ever getting damaged this way. You could put the thing in a paint can mixer for 3 hours and the card isn't going to get hurt. If you had a difficult time opening the case, what are the chances the card comes loose because it 'was not secured properly'? >>
I'm sorry, but you did not have the honor of opening this specific package, so with all due respect, you really don't know what you're talking about here. The holder is comprised of two pieces of plastic, each with its own magnet. The tabs on the top piece were not aligned properly in the slots on the bottom piece, and therefore, the case was not shut properly. Additionally, because the magnets were misaligned, they behaved abnormally (you can ask a science teacher for a detailed explanation on this) and created an extremely tight seal on the magnet end of the holder, while the tab end of the holder was somewhat loose. However, I was unable to pry the tab end open far enough to safely remove the card without freeing the magnets from each other at the other end.
As I was doing exactly that, I wasn't sure if the card itself was stuck to either side of the holder or not. This is because the seller used a 75pt. holder for a 100pt. card, and the card couldn't have been completely flush with the holder, even if the holder had been properly aligned. All it takes for a card like this to get stuck to a holder is a little bit of moisture. If not removed extremely carefully, paper loss is virtually guaranteed.
To this day, I'm not sure if the card had stuck just a little to the plastic, or if the undersized holder combined with the misaligned magnets were the only issues. In any event, there was luckily no damage due to the poor packaging, so I thought withholding all feedback and forgetting about the entire experience (and keeping the card) was the wisest course of action. I thought wrong.
<< <i>Lee: The fact that you came here to brag about it expecting applause tells me you're not very connected to reality and have trouble getting others to relate to you (and vice versa). >>
I'm not disconnected from reality. I just have an atypical perspective on it. I wasn't expecting applause. I was expecting to amuse myself and a few others, and I accomplished that. Sure, some of the enjoyment I got out of starting and participating in this thread last night was a bit perverse, but nobody got hurt. There's no victim here. It's ebay. In other words, it's a JOKE.
<< <i>TonyC: On the issue of the scan: Was the scan less than ideal? Yes. Should the seller have mentioned the issue with the autograph? Yes. >>
Thank you for agreeing with me on this. As for your other points, I understand where you're coming from, but I would also like to reiterate that I never asked for a refund. I never complained to the seller. I did not post negative feedback. I did not post neutral feedback. I did not ding stars on positive feedback. I did not post the seller's personal contact information. All I did was respond in poor taste to an unsolicited message that from my perspective was sent to me in poor taste. And then I posted about it, which to some people is probably a worse offense than anything I said directly to the seller.
Too often I think, when an ebay transaction is less than perfect, people automatically jump to the conclusion that the best remedy is to return the item for a full refund. But that fails to recognize that the buyer is allowed to be partially dissatisfied with the transaction and still keep the item. That's all I was doing for two weeks, when out of the blue, the seller picked the wrong day to push one of my buttons. "If you're unsatisfied for any reason, please return the item for a full refund" doesn't always cut it, and can actually be quite condescending under certain circumstances, such as this one. Once the seller asked for positive feedback, I felt I was entitled to air my grievances without being forced into a corner where I had to choose between either having my grievances delegitimatized or sending the card back for a refund. It's not all or nothing. "If you keep the item you have no right to complain" is complete B.S. Sadly, that's what it has come to for a lot of buyers and sellers on ebay, and especially for many people on this board. I decided to keep the card at full price, not ask for a partial or full refund, and keep my mouth shut, at least for two weeks until the seller solicited a reaction out of me. I totally get that I can be criticizing for SAYING the wrong things over the past 24 hours, but it's totally unfair for anyone to criticize me for DOING the wrong things over the past two weeks.
<< <i>bking: Was this actually in doubt even before this thread? >>
Why don't you take somebody's Mantle cards on a group sub and then disappear without a single word of communication for 3 months? Or, since you've already done that, why don't you lambaste me for harping on someone's poor spelling and grammar, even though I've never done anything of the sort? Oh wait, you've already done that too. Never mind then.
<< <i>Once the seller asked for positive feedback, I felt I was entitled to air my grievances >>
Crazy may have a point, Festivus is still in progress.
Some people on the board feel the need to celebrate this most sacred holiday on a daily basis.
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Name the few others. The only amusement anybody is getting here is at your expense.
<< <i>otwcards: Can you imagine if Crazy had gotten the wrong card and instead got a card intended for someone else? He might have held it hostage and extorted the seller... Gecko should be the last one explaining the etiquette of dealing with eBay sellers!!! >>
Um, no, that wouldn't have happened at all, because I'm not a thief, and I understand mistakes get made. Why don't you and Sean go somewhere and fight with each other? >>
Your knowledge of CU history seems to be lacking. The comment was a dig at another member and his EXACT actions in the situation outlined, but alas, feel free to deflect the foolishness of your actions. And that's what they were . . . foolish!
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I BOW DOWN TO YOU, SIR! This is a classic piece of art.
<< <i>I was expecting to amuse myself and a few others, and I accomplished that.
Name the few others. The only amusement anybody is getting here is at your expense. >>
If you think that distinction matters to me, you'd be wrong. See, I don't care that I'm being laughed at. All I care about is that my statement is correct. I set out to amuse people, and I did that.
You proved you are a loser. Plain and simple.
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