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  • Matt, thank you for taking the time to share the story and those wonderful slab scans!!!
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  • well, i blame you all for this addiction!

    won this tonight:

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    Centering looks good (bad seller scan), i like that it's the old flip.
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  • Ahh, the benefits of old Focuses. Had these in with my "500 Home Run Club Topps Cards" Focus.
    Some will have to be upgraded, but happy to have them nonetheless.

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  • Check out this stunning PSA 9 Nolan Ryan mini up for auction at Greg Bussineau's auction site. Present bid is $275 on a SMR valued card of $700!!!
    1975 Mini Nolan Ryan $275
    Collecting Nolan Ryan Master, 1968 Basic, and WHA, as well as unused and authentic tickets from 60s-70s rock concerts.
  • MiniDuffMiniDuff Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭
    Matty, you beat me on both of those. I actually can use the blair from the lot if you dont need a second.

    I do in fact still have a sealed case and it has a non horror batch number to boot... I have a 500~ sub that has been waiting to go in for some time. I plan to finally send it in the next week or so.
    Agreed to part ways with my company very recently, so I have all of the free time in the world for the first time in 25 years. I'm looking forward to using some of that time to build some nice sets, start subbing and listing again.
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  • MattyCMattyC Posts: 1,335 ✭✭
    Duff,

    That card is all yours for free. Was it in the Foote lot? PM the address and I'll send it over.

    That case must be so, so tempting. If you ever decide to crack I'll be more than happy to buy a box or two.

  • Scanned my Yount

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  • Just wanted to welcome the new members to the board and share my thoughts on the 75 Mini set. If anything, the Conlon collection has provided a new influx of set collectors. Many believed prices would crash and as already noted, the toughies are still the toughies. I hope the best grades for everyone!
  • wow, there's a whole lotta "buy the grade, not the card" going on on eBay it seems.

    some really horribly centered PSA 8's going for far more then i'd guess they would
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  • DakilloDakillo Posts: 158 ✭✭
    Please correct me if I'm wrong, because I am rather new here and I'm generally guided by common sense. I've not read anything either to the contrary, or in support of, so...is the theory of this post correct?

    >>A collector has his '75 mini Nolan Ryan graded by PSA. After having the card returned as a 7.5, the collector fumes a bit before cracking and resubbing. Again returned as a 7.5. Going with the thought that "the 3rd try is the charm", he decides one final time to crack and resub in an attempt to get a solid NM-MT 8 or better. After three subs and a few extra dollars spent, he gets his 8.<<

    Clearly this is a situation that many of you have undertaken yourselves - the equivalent of a paid argument with the graders of PSA. Boiling this down for hypothetical simplicity, is this single card now responsible for a 7.5 population of 2 and an 8 population of 1?

    When extrapolated, is it further possible that the populations shown for many of the tough '75 minis are much greater than in reality?

    In a set such as this, I'm guessing there is, with very few exceptions, no cracked PSA 9's...who could be so vain, right? However, I have to believe that these "ghosted" population counts would occur mostly from those who believe their 7 should be an 8, and for those who are just sure that their 8 is a 9. After that, my opinion would be that nearly all 9's are set in stone.

    Thoughts anyone?




  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    It depends.

    I've cracked 9s before [not 1975 Topps] to get a 10.

    Take a Hall of Famer from the 1970s, if you can garner 10-15 of their cards in PSA 9 MINT condition, crack and resubmit all of them, odds are that once in a while one of those MINTY fresh gems will strike itself as being better centered, sharper cornered, bolder colors than the rest and get a 10 GEM MINT grade.

    Look at the difference in 9 and 10 prices of some 1970s Hall of Famers. I'm pretty sure that, at times, 9s get cracked and submitted for 10s.

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  • Indy78Indy78 Posts: 806 ✭✭✭
    Boiling this down for hypothetical simplicity, is this single card now responsible for a 7.5 population of 2 and an 8 population of 1?

    Yes. My understanding is that if you want to see those two 7.5's removed, you could send back the two cracked out red flips to PSA to demonstrate that the holder as been opened, and they'll remove those two cards from the pop. report.

    When extrapolated, is it further possible that the populations shown for many of the tough '75 minis are much greater than in reality?

    Definitely, especially for 7's and 7.5's. I would think less so for 8's as fewer folks are going to crack an 8 for a 9. I've cracked quite a few 7's, but no 8's with the reason being that I can much better differentiate between a 7 and 8 than between and 8 and 9. There are folks that crack the 8's though and try for a 9, because the reward versus the grading fee can be huge.
  • MattyCMattyC Posts: 1,335 ✭✭
    I've cracked a PSA 9 Pete Rose twice hoping for a 10.

    The pops are definitely a little lower in reality across the board.
  • MiniDuffMiniDuff Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭
    I've cracked a minimum of 500 minis, almost all 8s, with some tougher 7s. I try to send in batches of flips periodically, but I believe the pops of tougher cards are materially lower than the pop reports in psa 8 in particular.

    Craziest cracks:

    PSA 6 Steve Rogers came back an 8.5
    PSA 8.5 A-Rod TR-1 mail in card, cracked an 8.5, came back a 10.
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  • MattyCMattyC Posts: 1,335 ✭✭
    Duff, do you still want that card that was in the PWCC batch with the Barry Foote PSA 9? If so PM me where to send it and I'll try to get it out in the next week or two. Thanks.
  • DakilloDakillo Posts: 158 ✭✭
    Good info...thank you.

    Sticking to the core of this thread, I would be referring to '75 minis - which is why I surmised that very few 9s would be cracked. In other sets with larger pops, I'm sure there is plenty of folks going for a 10 (i.e. '89 UD Jr. Griffey).

    Has anyone (else) actually returned a flip with a resub?
  • DakilloDakillo Posts: 158 ✭✭
    Can anyone offer a simple crash course on attaching picture in this forum? I'm not computer illiterate by any means, but simply can't figure out why its not allowing. Is there an administrative switch that needs to be enabled first? Thank you in advance.
  • Indy78Indy78 Posts: 806 ✭✭✭
    Can anyone offer a simple crash course on attaching picture in this forum? I'm not computer illiterate by any means, but simply can't figure out why its not allowing. Is there an administrative switch that needs to be enabled first? Thank you in advance.

    You need to use a third party photo hosting service such as Photobucket. It's free. You upload you're photo to Photobucket, then copy the IMG address for that photo from Photobucket and paste it into your message text box here on the PSA site.
  • MiniDuffMiniDuff Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭
    PM sent Matty and a big Thank you!!!
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  • MiniDuffMiniDuff Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭
    I've only cracked a couple of mini 9s myself, less than 10. I never send the flip as I don't want to prejudice the grade, though I have sent SGC flips on a crackout in a psa sub with decent results.

    90% of all of my cards subbed are minis and probably 98% of my crackouts.

    A different example of being stubborn is the Twitchell 9 that Matty now owns and has shown here before. The card is outstanding, yet it came back an 8 twice before I finally hit a 9 on the third try. I truly believed it a 9 and was going to sub it until I hit it. Graders have good and bad days too.
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  • DakilloDakillo Posts: 158 ✭✭
    Thanks, Indy...lets see if this works. If so, I'm asking for anyone's opinion on the grade of this card (grade and serial have been whited out for the purpose of this trivia).

    Perhaps I should dust my scanner, because (while holding the card in front of me) I can clarify the following:

    -- there is absolutely no white snow in the border or on the picture
    -- the back is perfectly clean and has even better centering than the front
    -- upper left corner does have a light touch

  • Indy78Indy78 Posts: 806 ✭✭✭
    It didn't work. When you go into "My Album" in photobucket, place your pointer over the photo. When you do this, a window will open under the photo giving you four format choices. Place your cursor over the IMG code which is the last one and left click. You'll see a mini window open saying "copied." Then go back to your message text window here at the PSA site and paste the code into the message box. Click "preview" below the message text box to see if the photo code pasted ok before clicking "reply to thread."

    I've done the Ryan for you here. Very nice!

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  • DakilloDakillo Posts: 158 ✭✭

    Thank you again for the remedial lesson...I feel like I'm back in 1996 learning the internet again! It seems to have worked this time.

    This is a better scan of the card, but it is still showing some snow that isn't there.

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  • MattyCMattyC Posts: 1,335 ✭✭
    That could def be an 8 on the right day.
  • MiniDuffMiniDuff Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭
    If the snow is not on the card, it is nicer than 50% of the 9s out there. No, I don't think it is a 9, but most of the ones out there are junk (take a look through the vcp photos).

    I agree with Matty, if it isn't in an 8 holder now, it could be and I would resub it. One of the best centered Ryans I have seen and a corner away from a legit 9.
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  • OK...let me take the whiteout off and you can share in my disappointment. To be clear, there is no snow on the card. I believe it to be minor imperfections in the slab that are reflecting the scanner light. Its a beautiful card and I'm at a loss to explain the grade.

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  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭
    I'm assuming there is some spider creasing or a faint crease causing that to receive a 5.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • DakilloDakillo Posts: 158 ✭✭
    It would make more sense if there was such a defect...but nothing visible to my eye under good light.
  • cuda440cuda440 Posts: 150 ✭✭
    I would never have guessed that to grade a 5 but rather at minimum an 8. I have a '75 Ryan Mini in a 9 and it doesn't look much better than your 5 taking into account the scanner spots that you mentioned. I'd definitely resubmit that one.
  • While it is difficult to assess a grade from the scan as there are so many potential problems that can only be seen when the card is out of the holder. There can be a ripple/crease in cards that otherwise look very nice but receive lower grades. I had a 55 Bowman Pee Wee Reese that appeared flawless and crisp like new, glossy photo, sharp edges/corners. I didn't initially notice a slight factory ripple as you tilted the card. Some 55 Bowmans seem to have this issue. It received a PSA 6 grade which I found totally unexceptable as the card was otherwise like new and I've seen 6's and 7's with a rough look. I resubmitted it twice and finally the card received an 8. It was a 9 all the way IMHO, but I took the 8 and sold it. No doubt the buyer later resubmitted it for it's deserving 9....lol.

    This Ryan looks to have some edge and corner issues. Most noticeable, at the top of the card it appears to have some notching (hint of white)? A few of the corners also show some notching (hints of white). Some minor chipping on edges of the card (most noticeable, but very minor, at bottom of card)? Out of the holder it might have a crease only noticeable while tilting the card in front of a light? There usually is something noticeable that triggered the grader to place a grade that low. If you decide to crack the case and resubmit you'll have a better look at the card and may see something you initially missed prior to submitting the card originally? The card definitely has wonderful centering. Good Luck if you choose to resubmit!
  • DakilloDakillo Posts: 158 ✭✭
    I have spent so much time looking at this card at different angles, with sunlight and incandescent light, upside-down and right side up. After giving up, I posted it here to gather some outside opinions. Today, I looked at it with a 5x loupe and (with the proper tilt in the light) can see the faintest of faint spider creases running from the G to the S in ANGELS.

    It will be resubmitted anyway, simply because I've never done that before...update to be posted when info received.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,703 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When you see a card like that Ryan come back a 5, it is almost always due to a surface wrinkle or "bubble" in the card stock.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,703 ✭✭✭✭✭
    can see the faintest of faint spider creases running from the G to the S in ANGELS.

    That defect would definitely be the cause of the 5 grade.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • Does anyone know if PSA is currently grading mini wax packs? Wasn't sure if they had the holder available at this time. Any help is appreciated.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,703 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Does anyone know if PSA is currently grading mini wax packs? Wasn't sure if they had the holder available at this time. Any help is appreciated.

    I've had dozens holdered in the past, so unless they recently ran out, I'd say they are, though come to think of it, they did revamp the design of the holder recently, too.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • MattyCMattyC Posts: 1,335 ✭✭
    Just had some pretty nice cards pop...

    #535 GENE TENACE PSA 9 - POP 5 (this had been pop 4 forever, and when I sold one of the 9s was afraid I'd never come across another)
    #245 MICKEY LOLICH PSA 10 - POP 1 (I now have a great PSA 9 POP 5 for sale)
    DICK LANGE PSA 10 - POP 2


    Also landed TWO PSA 8.5 BOB TOLANS...

    A PSA 9 #163 JIM BREWER - pop 5 and...

    A PSA 8 Jose Cruz. Tough beast to even get in a holder.

    Now have a bunch of nice minis for sale. Will try and unload them here for VCP before trying e-bay...

  • MattyCMattyC Posts: 1,335 ✭✭
    MINIS FOR SALE...

    * indicates tough card/low pop or star.

    1975 Topps Minis

    PSA 9
    #185 Carlton *
    #226 Campbell
    #235 Billingham
    #163 Brewer *

    PSA 8.5
    #90 Staub *
    #625 Powell *
    #459 A.L. Champs *
    #290 Matlack *
    #505 Speier
    #340 Splitorff *
    #366 Sanders
    #452 Mangual
    #268 McRae
    #588 Auerbach *
    #405 Tolan (X2) *
    #640 Killebrew *

    PSA 8
    #1 Aaron HL *
    #144 Wohlford
    #229 Foote (X2) *
    #603 Krausse *
    #168 Greif *
    #600 Carew (X2) *
    #402 Tolan *
    #290 Matlack *
    #305 Colborn
    #55 Bonds *
    #631 Lacy
    #429 Dwyer
    #421 Mets *
    #253 Alou
    #362 Hargan *
    #583 Etchebarren *
    #125 Singleton (X2) *
    #514 Cruz *

    PSA 7
    #647 Washington (ST)
    #125 Singleton (X2)
    #564 Tommy Davis *
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  • Congrads Matty-nice pops on some tough cards. Were those from the 3 box rip on these forums from 70'sToppsFanatic by chance? Those mini's were real nice.
  • MattyCMattyC Posts: 1,335 ✭✭
    The tough Lolich and brewer were from that pack rip a couple months ago.

    The Tenace was a reviewed 8 that was just so nice.

    Was just researching the Lolich and it's tougher than I thought. One of the extant PSA 9's is def not a true 9. I had hopes for a 10 but never thought it would happen.

    Per vcp, the last brewer and Lolich sales were back in 08. Will look up the Tenace shortly.

    Ok, the last PSA 9 Tenace was actually snagged by me for a staggeringly low 35 bucks back in 07. I remember thinking it was too good to be true and if I recall correctly it was a BIN. Wound up selling it for 1000, which was too big a flip to pass up during the writers' guild strike at that time. Long time between 9s surfacing of that pesky 535 card.
  • Wow that is quite the flip-
  • MattyCMattyC Posts: 1,335 ✭✭
    Yeah, it was, as they say, an offer I couldn't refuse.

    Sadly at the time I did also part with the lone PSA 10 #660 Aaron and a nice PSA 10 #260 Bench. I remember paying $8500 for that Aaron. Was a bittersweet sale for sure. Maybe one day it'll hit the market again.

    But for now stoked to upgrade that Tenace. I am down to a handful of the most notorious beasts to upgrade from 8s, to finally reach the goal of an all PSA 9 set with the two key rookies in PSA 10. To me 75 is first and foremost about the Brett and Yount rookies.

    Unfortunately I lost out this year on the PSA 9s of Fred Stanley and Len Randle, which both went for north of a grand each, exceeding the snipes I set by a big margin. Those were nice cards. The Randle especially, it is possible it'll be many years, if ever, before another nice PSA 9 surfaces. That's how tough that one is with the L/R centering. I also really regret missing out on a PSA 9 Bando that sold a year or so ago. I had a raw one that I swore was a 9 but landed in an 8 holder.
  • MiniDuffMiniDuff Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭
    damed nice sub matty, huge grats!

    Sent in my first order in forever last week, 366 cards. Fingers crossed...There was a very nice Stanley in the sub anyway... and a Wise that I will go out on a limb and say it should be a 9. Few other lower pops as well.
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  • MattyCMattyC Posts: 1,335 ✭✭
    Thx Duff!

    Man, I have been waiting for your next sub forever it seems! Keep me posted. Those are two I definitely need.
  • Matt, your passion for this set is incredible!

    as for the Brett Rookie, that and the Rickey Henderson Rookie are the two "iconic" modern (post '70) rookie cards imo
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  • Incredible sub Matty! A PSA 10 of Lolich is insane. A lot of other very nice grades as well. Way to go! Sure would love to get a box of nicely centered Mini's.... oh so rare!
  • Matt. PM sent.
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  • jeff8877jeff8877 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
    Hi guys,

    Any of you have a nice 75 mini empty wax box. Working on a complete run of them and thought I would check here first before ebay.

    Jeff
  • MattyCMattyC Posts: 1,335 ✭✭
    Amazing story...

    So as I mentioned before I had the recent following sub pop, which I just picked up from PSA yesterday.

    1 1 19281629 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 125 KEN SINGLETON Card
    2 1 19281630 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 125 KEN SINGLETON Card
    3 1 19281631 NEAR MINT 7 1975 TOPPS MINI 125 KEN SINGLETON Card
    4 1 19281632 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1975 TOPPS MINI 402 BOB TOLAN Card
    5 1 19281633 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1975 TOPPS MINI 402 BOB TOLAN Card
    6 1 19281634 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 458 ROSS GRIMSLEY Card
    7 1 19281635 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 647 CLAUDELL WASHINGTON Card
    8 1 19281636 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 647 CLAUDELL WASHINGTON Card
    9 1 19281637 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 503 FRED STANLEY Card
    10 1 19281638 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 53 DAVE GIUSTI Card
    11 1 19281639 NEAR MINT 7 1975 TOPPS MINI 564 TOMMY DAVIS Card
    12 1 19281640 NEAR MINT 7 1975 TOPPS MINI 30 BERT BLYLEVEN Card
    13 1 19281641 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 514 JOSE CRUZ Card
    14 1 19281642 GEM MINT 10 1975 TOPPS MINI 245 MICKEY LOLICH Card
    15 1 19281643 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 21 ROLLIE FINGERS Card
    16 1 19281644 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 96 MIKE COSGROVE Card
    17 1 19281645 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 166 WOODIE FRYMAN Card
    18 1 19281646 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 226 BILL CAMPBELL Card
    19 1 19281647 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1975 TOPPS MINI 640 HARMON KILLEBREW Card
    20 1 19281648 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 235 JACK BILLINGHAM Card
    21 1 19281649 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 371 GATES BROWN Card
    22 1 19281650 NEAR MINT 7 1975 TOPPS MINI 297 CRAIG KUSICK Card
    23 1 19281651 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1975 TOPPS MINI 90 RUSTY STAUB Card
    24 1 19281652 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 163 JIM BREWER Card
    25 1 19281653 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 229 BARRY FOOTE Card
    26 1 19281654 GEM MINT 10 1975 TOPPS MINI 114 DICK LANGE Card
    27 1 19281655 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 1 '74 HIGHLIGHTS HANK AARON Card
    28 1 19281656 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 144 JIM WOHLFORD Card
    29 1 19281657 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 219 ED HERRMANN

    In addition I had some reviews done. A PSA 8 #500 Ryan bumped to 8.5, and there was that #535 Gene Tenace that went from an 8 to a 9, which is a real whopper of a card.

    But when I picked up the sub, imagine my shock when the item in line 20 was labeled in the flip as Jack Billingham but was actually the notorious GENE TENACE in the holder. I handed it back and they relabeled it.

    I now have an extra PSA 9 #535 Gene Tenace! Would prefer to trade it for another low pop 9 I need, but seeing as those are not plentiful, will likely put it up for sale here or ebay. It's kind of an amazing find considering how there had only been 4 of these it seems forever, and how I believe the existing ones are all locked up in sets.



  • well played Sir!

    were you shocked at the number of N6's?
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