Nice cards. Your Didasco Robinson is trimmed, fyi. They were issued in either 8- or 10-card panels so, depending on who is depicted, at least one side of the card should always be perforated. This is mine:
How were you able to identify the year of issue for the Spanish cards?
<< <i>Nice cards. Your Didasco Robinson is trimmed, fyi. They were issued in either 8- or 10-card panels so, depending on who is depicted, at least one side of the card should always be perforated. How were you able to identify the year of issue for the Spanish cards? >>
Thanks for the info, I appreciate it. The left side border of mine is perforated. I'll still sub it and see what happens. As far as the years go, combination of writing to different sellers in Spain, plus examining information on other cards in same sets. For example, based on the other cards in the same Ases del Boxeo set, I used the boxing records info on the back of the cards to figure out what year it would have been released; could possibly be 1 or 2 years older than 1930 I suppose but I felt pretty certain based on the text on each one I could find. So, I'm mostly sure about those years but still possible to be off just a little.
On a side note about years of issue, do you know for sure if there are really both a 1936 & 1937 Ardath issue? The cards are labeled as both years by PSA and SGC, and they all look the same to me. Might be similar to the 1985 vs. 1986 #153 discrepency?
that 1928 Reclamos Cimadevilla Paulino Uzcudun is VERY cool....I never knew of all these Italian issues ( I did just get into boxing cards this year )...... I love this thread to see new stuff...thanks for posting guys
My guess is that PSA isn't aware of the perforation so it will probably get a numeric grade. It's one of the most frustrating things about PSA boxing cards is that they'll slab stuff sometimes before they know what it is or how it was released (see "1967 Figuritas Sport").
My guess is that you'll need more definitive proof of issue date than that to get them slabbed with those years but I'd certainly be curious to know how you make out.
<< <i>that 1928 Reclamos Cimadevilla Paulino Uzcudun is VERY cool....I never knew of all these Italian issues ( I did just get into boxing cards this year )...... I love this thread to see new stuff...thanks for posting guys >>
For me, the huge variance of Spanish, Italian, UK, South African, etc. issues is what keeps the boxing cards interesting. Sure, baseball & hockey are great and I've got plenty but year after year Topps/Parkhurst/OPC is a little more monotonous. Probably why I've got so many 1970's European issue hockey cards now.
IMO, no. Tough to tell from the scans but it looks like there are many many creases on it. They appear to the eye not that bad because of the cream background but try and picture an all black card with that many creases. It would look quite different. Plus, I don't think the bump would improve the value as much as it would cost you for the submission.
<< <i>IMO, no. Tough to tell from the scans but it looks like there are many many creases on it. They appear to the eye not that bad because of the cream background but try and picture an all black card with that many creases. It would look quite different. Plus, I don't think the bump would improve the value as much as it would cost you for the submission.
What Ardath issue were you referring to earlier? >>
Thank you, I really do appreciate the opinion on that scan.
As far as Ardath goes, take for example the Series of Topical Interest. I've seen most PSA's label these as 1937. SGC seems to put them in a slab as 1936, but with the set indicated as Photocards instead. If you then take a look at what PSA slabs as 1936 Ardath Photocards, the back side has a different design than what you see in the SGC 1936 Ardath Photocards which are instead the same as the PSA 1937 Ser. of Topical Interest. Now, there is also presence of PSA 1938 Ardath Series of Topical Interest which looks the same as what is labeled as a 1937 though I haven't seen a back scan to confirm. Maybe 1938 is a mistake? Finally there is the PSA 1936 Ardath Tobacco Boxing which looks the same as the pictures used on the Ardath Photocards and Ardath Series of Topical Interest, but here again I haven't seen a back scan of these either to confirm differences. The Photocards are numbered, so I think what happened is SGC is mistaken with their labeling and is slabbing 1937 Series of Topical Interest as 1936 Photocards in error. Let me know what you think, but I believe the following is the most likely:
Correct: 1936 Ardath Tobacco Boxing 1936 Ardath Photocards 1937 Ardath Series of Topical Interest
Likely mistakes on labels: SGC 1936 Ardath Photocards - Should be 1937 Ardath Series of Topical Interest PSA 1938 Ardath Series of Topical Interest - Should be 1937 Ardath Series of Topical Interest
There are many, many different backs for the set and they were issued from 1936-1939, depending on which back or subset you're talking about. There are also front variations. I believe I've seen 5 different Joe Louis cards from this set. Some are relatively common, some are nearly impossible. I'm pretty sure Evan Jones wrote it up in his book. You should grab a copy if you don't already have one.
It should be legit. There certainly is a version with a color-added front, much like the La Morena cards. That's one of the ones I would categorize as impossible.
Here is an interesting and unique one I just picked up. Can any of you big-hitters in the boxing card community help me out with identification of set/issue and year?
I'm thinking that chances are pretty high that others from this set had one of the Spanish chocolate company's ad in the lower half on the back side but it isn't there on this one, just like the Dempsey I posted earlier that was printed w/o the ad.
I have one (Tommy Loughran) and there's no advertising on the back of mine either. I have it labeled as 1930 and Amatller Chocolate. I'm fairly certain that the Amatller part is correct but the 1930 issue date is just a ballpark. I'd be surprised if someone has been able to definitively date the set. I haven't done any translations on the backs, which may help narrow it down. I've never seen a Dempsey from this set but the usual suspects from the era are in it. They don't seem particularly difficult to find.
The set name on the back appears to be "Who Is the Champion of the World?" If that is indeed the name of the set, then a 1929-1931 issue date is probable as the title was vacated when Tunney vacated it at the end of 1928.
I haven't seen any cards with back damage so an album existing is unlikely, but you never know.
Thanks a lot for the reply. So to clarify, your Loughran also says "?Quien es el campeon mundial?" on the top on the back side?
Amatller could be right, but I wasn't sure if it would be them, Casa Sole, Chocolates Evaristo Juncosa, Chocolate Mundial, Chocolates PI, or Chocolates Sultana y Americano. Amatller is probably the most likely since they did more sports than the others mentioned, though Juncosa did their share as well. PI seemed more to stick to soccer/football. The others are more commonly found with non-sports celebrities.
I've seen the set advertised as Amatller by dozens of Spanish sellers so I think that seems safe. Of course, it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was issued with different company ads as well.
where are you guys finding these cards? I look on ebay and dont find that much. Id really like to collect some old boxing cards...Im 56% finished with a PSA set of 1938 Churchman
I was really impressed to hold one of these in person - the image of Kilrain is all done in silk - even the details on the colors in the belt are very impressive!
Scooter - that silk is insane! I've never seen that particular card. >>
Here's some more info on the four 1888 silks made - a whole set was sold by Legendary a few years back, at what looks like was a low price for their stellar condition! It's probably one of those cases of lower interest in these because they are so rarely seen and little is known about them!
I posted this on another thread but didn't really get an answer, thought maybe some of you boxing fans might know?
"Does anybody know why it says "1956 Topps Adventure Boxing" and not "1956 Gum Inc. Adventure Boxing"? I cannot find anything that links Topps to this set."
Picked this up a few weeks ago. Still don't have it in hand though... It was shipped from Mexico so it might take a while. It was advertised as 1964 so I was very excited to pick it up since I thought it was a factory cut, numbered cassius clay card before 1965.. Turns out its most likely from 1968. Still a pretty rare early card but not in the rookie card discussion
<< <i>I posted this on another thread but didn't really get an answer, thought maybe some of you boxing fans might know?
"Does anybody know why it says "1956 Topps Adventure Boxing" and not "1956 Gum Inc. Adventure Boxing"? I cannot find anything that links Topps to this set."
That's just PSA. I imagine the person that put in the request for the set registry threw Topps on it and since no one knows who really manufactured the set (Gum? Goudey?) they probably just went with it. I wouldn't put too much stock in it though, just a PSA descriptor.
I have searched and searched and found nothing that links this set to "Topps", on the back of the cards it says "Gum Products Inc 1956", they were issued in Canada by "World Wide Gum" and in the USA by "Jaw Teasers Inc." This set should be called "1956 Gum Products Inc Adventure Boxing" or I would prefer "1956 Gum Inc Adventure Boxing", the same as the "1956 Gum Inc Adventure" which is the full set (not just the boxing cards).
I just got the Ali card from Mexico. It presents pretty well but has som back damage. If anyone has any information on the set that I could relay to psa to help get them to slab the card please let me know.
<< <i>Good luck. I have stacks of cards that I can't send to PSA yet due to lack of info. >>
Agreed. However, I will say that on some that come back N9, I do add one or 2 back in as a resubmittal with each new sub I send in, and every once in a while they get graded when they weren't willing to do it before.
I do pretty well with psa specs department. I'm probably one of their most annoying customers but its worth the effort. I'm hoping to find an image of the album that will date the card.
<< <i>Good luck. I have stacks of cards that I can't send to PSA yet due to lack of info. >>
Agreed. However, I will say that on some that come back N9, I do add one or 2 back in as a resubmittal with each new sub I send in, and every once in a while they get graded when they weren't willing to do it before. >>
Just curious, what changes? Do they just take your word for it?
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Hmm, maybe I'll try to find time to email the others on the set registry and ask them about what the backs of theirs look like...
Good comparison w/ T206. T206 has all the ad backs specified on the flip; I wonder if they should look into doing similar w/ the Spanish cards.
I've seen a little bit of variance w/ some prewar Swedish issue cards too, but not nearly as much as with the Spanish ones. >>
I've probably owned three copies of this card over the past few years, and I've never seen one missing the ad, like yours.
Jeff
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<< <i>Just picked this up!
That is FABULOUS and would look great here ... Congrats
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1951 Albosport Didasco #541 Sugar Ray Robinson
1952 Cicogna #82 Rocky Marciano
1952 Quiz Calendario - w/ Tab #142 Rocky Graziano
1930 Los Ases Del Boxeo En Espana #21 Paulino Uzcudun
1930 Jose Gallego #12 Max Schmelling (not the similar but more common Amatller Coleccion de Monedas)
How were you able to identify the year of issue for the Spanish cards?
<< <i>Nice cards. Your Didasco Robinson is trimmed, fyi. They were issued in either 8- or 10-card panels so, depending on who is depicted, at least one side of the card should always be perforated.
How were you able to identify the year of issue for the Spanish cards? >>
Thanks for the info, I appreciate it. The left side border of mine is perforated. I'll still sub it and see what happens. As far as the years go, combination of writing to different sellers in Spain, plus examining information on other cards in same sets. For example, based on the other cards in the same Ases del Boxeo set, I used the boxing records info on the back of the cards to figure out what year it would have been released; could possibly be 1 or 2 years older than 1930 I suppose but I felt pretty certain based on the text on each one I could find. So, I'm mostly sure about those years but still possible to be off just a little.
On a side note about years of issue, do you know for sure if there are really both a 1936 & 1937 Ardath issue? The cards are labeled as both years by PSA and SGC, and they all look the same to me. Might be similar to the 1985 vs. 1986 #153 discrepency?
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My guess is that PSA isn't aware of the perforation so it will probably get a numeric grade. It's one of the most frustrating things about PSA boxing cards is that they'll slab stuff sometimes before they know what it is or how it was released (see "1967 Figuritas Sport").
My guess is that you'll need more definitive proof of issue date than that to get them slabbed with those years but I'd certainly be curious to know how you make out.
<< <i>that 1928 Reclamos Cimadevilla Paulino Uzcudun is VERY cool....I never knew of all these Italian issues ( I did just get into boxing cards this year )...... I love this thread to see new stuff...thanks for posting guys
For me, the huge variance of Spanish, Italian, UK, South African, etc. issues is what keeps the boxing cards interesting. Sure, baseball & hockey are great and I've got plenty but year after year Topps/Parkhurst/OPC is a little more monotonous. Probably why I've got so many 1970's European issue hockey cards now.
So far, none on the population report higher than a PSA 1 Poor. If it weren't for the staple holes...
What Ardath issue were you referring to earlier?
<< <i>IMO, no. Tough to tell from the scans but it looks like there are many many creases on it. They appear to the eye not that bad because of the cream background but try and picture an all black card with that many creases. It would look quite different. Plus, I don't think the bump would improve the value as much as it would cost you for the submission.
What Ardath issue were you referring to earlier? >>
Thank you, I really do appreciate the opinion on that scan.
As far as Ardath goes, take for example the Series of Topical Interest. I've seen most PSA's label these as 1937. SGC seems to put them in a slab as 1936, but with the set indicated as Photocards instead. If you then take a look at what PSA slabs as 1936 Ardath Photocards, the back side has a different design than what you see in the SGC 1936 Ardath Photocards which are instead the same as the PSA 1937 Ser. of Topical Interest. Now, there is also presence of PSA 1938 Ardath Series of Topical Interest which looks the same as what is labeled as a 1937 though I haven't seen a back scan to confirm. Maybe 1938 is a mistake? Finally there is the PSA 1936 Ardath Tobacco Boxing which looks the same as the pictures used on the Ardath Photocards and Ardath Series of Topical Interest, but here again I haven't seen a back scan of these either to confirm differences. The Photocards are numbered, so I think what happened is SGC is mistaken with their labeling and is slabbing 1937 Series of Topical Interest as 1936 Photocards in error. Let me know what you think, but I believe the following is the most likely:
Correct:
1936 Ardath Tobacco Boxing
1936 Ardath Photocards
1937 Ardath Series of Topical Interest
Likely mistakes on labels:
SGC 1936 Ardath Photocards - Should be 1937 Ardath Series of Topical Interest
PSA 1938 Ardath Series of Topical Interest - Should be 1937 Ardath Series of Topical Interest
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Here is an interesting and unique one I just picked up. Can any of you big-hitters in the boxing card community help me out with identification of set/issue and year?
The set name on the back appears to be "Who Is the Champion of the World?" If that is indeed the name of the set, then a 1929-1931 issue date is probable as the title was vacated when Tunney vacated it at the end of 1928.
I haven't seen any cards with back damage so an album existing is unlikely, but you never know.
Amatller could be right, but I wasn't sure if it would be them, Casa Sole, Chocolates Evaristo Juncosa, Chocolate Mundial, Chocolates PI, or Chocolates Sultana y Americano. Amatller is probably the most likely since they did more sports than the others mentioned, though Juncosa did their share as well. PI seemed more to stick to soccer/football. The others are more commonly found with non-sports celebrities.
I've seen the set advertised as Amatller by dozens of Spanish sellers so I think that seems safe. Of course, it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was issued with different company ads as well.
Not the prettiest or oldest of his cards, but it is on the more rare side.
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Italy, Germany, Spain, Belgium, England and Sweden. I have better luck shopping in other countries than the US when it comes to finding odd items.
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I was really impressed to hold one of these in person - the image of Kilrain is all done in silk - even the details on the colors in the belt are very impressive!
DS - I've always loved that T220 set. The artwork is really cool on those.
Scooter - that silk is insane! I've never seen that particular card.
Jeff
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Scooter - that silk is insane! I've never seen that particular card. >>
Here's some more info on the four 1888 silks made - a whole set was sold by Legendary a few years back, at what looks like was a low price for their stellar condition! It's probably one of those cases of lower interest in these because they are so rarely seen and little is known about them!
Auction link
"Does anybody know why it says "1956 Topps Adventure Boxing" and not "1956 Gum Inc. Adventure Boxing"? I cannot find anything that links Topps to this set."
1956 Topps Adventure Boxing
1968c Cassius Clay Estampa Pancho Pantera
<< <i>I posted this on another thread but didn't really get an answer, thought maybe some of you boxing fans might know?
"Does anybody know why it says "1956 Topps Adventure Boxing" and not "1956 Gum Inc. Adventure Boxing"? I cannot find anything that links Topps to this set."
1956 Topps Adventure Boxing >>
That's just PSA. I imagine the person that put in the request for the set registry threw Topps on it and since no one knows who really manufactured the set (Gum? Goudey?) they probably just went with it. I wouldn't put too much stock in it though, just a PSA descriptor.
I sent this e-mail to the set registry folks.
Why is set labeled "Topps"?
I have searched and searched and found nothing that links this set to "Topps", on the back of the cards it says "Gum Products Inc 1956", they were issued in Canada by "World Wide Gum" and in the USA by "Jaw Teasers Inc."
This set should be called "1956 Gum Products Inc Adventure Boxing" or I would prefer "1956 Gum Inc Adventure Boxing", the same as the "1956 Gum Inc Adventure" which is the full set (not just the boxing cards).
<< <i>Good luck. I have stacks of cards that I can't send to PSA yet due to lack of info. >>
Agreed. However, I will say that on some that come back N9, I do add one or 2 back in as a resubmittal with each new sub I send in, and every once in a while they get graded when they weren't willing to do it before.
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<< <i>Good luck. I have stacks of cards that I can't send to PSA yet due to lack of info. >>
Agreed. However, I will say that on some that come back N9, I do add one or 2 back in as a resubmittal with each new sub I send in, and every once in a while they get graded when they weren't willing to do it before. >>
Just curious, what changes? Do they just take your word for it?