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    wrestlingcardkingwrestlingcardking Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭✭
    I like that Evander!
    BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec
    Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
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    Big80sBig80s Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭
    That's a mean looking card!
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    Jeff
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    KNAPPKNAPP Posts: 654 ✭✭✭
    the KNAPP collection - specializing in boxing and wrestling
    Always looking to buy or trade for Andre the Giant autographs
    psacard.com/psasetregistry/non-sports/famous-personage/andre-giant-master-set/alltimeset/180400


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    wrestlingcardkingwrestlingcardking Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭✭
    Did they (PSA) not grade the w521s for a while?
    BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec
    Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
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    KNAPPKNAPP Posts: 654 ✭✭✭
    Rob, I'm not sure about that, but I posted this one because of the rarer background.
    the KNAPP collection - specializing in boxing and wrestling
    Always looking to buy or trade for Andre the Giant autographs
    psacard.com/psasetregistry/non-sports/famous-personage/andre-giant-master-set/alltimeset/180400


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    ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a great card, Knapp!
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    mikliamiklia Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭
    hey gang. Just sharing a card I'd had my eye on for a while, the 1887 N184 Jack Dempsey RC. I overpaid a bit, but I liked the color too much to pass it up. Still looking for a better example..

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    wrestlingcardkingwrestlingcardking Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭✭
    Those are really tough to find over a PSA 3, I am still looking to improve on my Muldoon that is a PSA 3. I have been able to secure a few of the wrestlers in a PSA 6 but it is super tough. Congrats on your card!
    BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec
    Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
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    Big80sBig80s Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭


    << <i>hey gang. Just sharing a card I'd had my eye on for a while, the 1887 N184 Jack Dempsey RC. I overpaid a bit, but I liked the color too much to pass it up. Still looking for a better example..

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    Awesome pick-up, Jason! I love (the other) Dempsey! He's a highly underrated HOF boxer, in my opinion. And as King mentioned - Kimballs are a bear to find in decent shape - and yours looks to be very solid.
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    mikliamiklia Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭
    thanks Jeff! I'm fired up about it. And King - is it correct that it's only a 5 card set?
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    Big80sBig80s Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭


    << <i>thanks Jeff! I'm fired up about it. And King - is it correct that it's only a 5 card set? >>



    A checklist for you, sir...

    n184 Checklist


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    wrestlingcardkingwrestlingcardking Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks Big80s!!!
    BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec
    Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
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    mikliamiklia Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭
    hah! I was only off by 45.
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    Very Nice card image One question, could be the way its scanned but it looks like the centering bars in the center of the PSA Holder are pinching the edges of the card ?
    Did PSA put it in a holder thats to small ? Just curious since I one day hope to have some of these and would be reluctant to send in a high grade example if they
    were being put in holders that pinch the card.

    Also found this nice web page with a lot of information about both Dempsey's (there were two for those who may not be aware)

    LINK TO WEB PAGE[

    List of cards from the above mentioned web site

    Jack Dempsey "The Nonpareil" Cards

    A selection of cards featuring Jack Dempsey "The Nonpareil".

    1887 Goodwin & Co. Old Judge (N174) - 4 cards
    1887 Goodwin & Co. Gypsy Queen (N174)
    1887 Allen & Ginter's “The World’s Champions” (N28)
    1887 Lorillard’s Mechanics Delight Long Cut (N269)
    1888 WS Kimball & Co’s Cigs “Champions Of Games
    & Sports” (N184) - 2 variations
    (with and without company name)
    1888 Goodwin & Co. Old Judge/Gypsy Queen
    Cigarettes “Champions” (N162)
    1888 SF Hess & Co (N332)
    1890 Mayo Cut Plug (N310)
    1893 Lorillard Red Cross (N266) (v Fitzsimmons)
    1910 American Tobacco Co "Champion Athlete &
    Prizefighter Series (T220) (Mecca/Tolstoi)
    1910 American Tobacco Co "Champion Athlete &
    Prizefighter Series (T220) Silver Border

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    Jack Dempsey "The Manassa Mauler" Cards

    A selection of cards featuring "The Manassa Mauler". I've also included a few "game" cards just for the
    fun of it. Also keep in mind that there are many more cards avaiable if "variations" to each set are taken into account (eg back variations, some cards had large and small versions of the same set, etc).

    There are also various cards featuring the fights between Jack Demspey and Gene Tunney. Unfortunately for Dempsey fans, he lost both fights to Tunney, and as such is usually portrayed either on the canvas, or the image of his back on these cards. I have therefore included these cards within a seperate table.

    Individual Cards:
    1920s Romeo y Julieta (Cuban Cigars) white border
    1920s Romeo y Julieta (Cuban Cigars) black border
    1920s Strip Card W519/W521
    1920s Reel Peppermints (fight pose)
    1920s Reel Peppermints (standing)
    1920s Underwood & Underwood
    1920s Toccos Egyptian Cigarettes
    1920s Comet Chocolate (Spain)
    1920s Oh Boy Gum
    1920s Reunion Cigarettes (Germany)
    1921 Strip Card - W551
    1921 Strip Card W516-1
    1921 Felix Potin (3rd Collection)
    1922 Comic Life (with Donald McKinley)
    1922 The Champion Magazine "Sporting Champions"
    1922 Boy's Magazine boxers
    1923 The Rocket Magazine "Famous Knock-outs"
    (v Carpentier)
    1923 Burstein Isaacs & Co "Famous Prizefighters"
    1923 Union Jack "Monachs of the Ring"
    1923 Willard Chocolates (V137)
    1923 Olympia Games Ltd
    1923 Strip Card - W515-1
    1923 Strip Card - W580
    1923 Wesley Andrews Inc (issued at training camp)
    1926 Spalding Champions
    1926 Strip Card - W511
    1926 Strip Card - W512
    1926 Strip Card - W560
    1925 Strip Card - W529 (incl many variations)
    1926 Grieling "Sportsalbum" Serie Boxer (Germany)
    1926 Gartmann Schokolade (Chocolate)
    Serie 585 Boxer (Germany)
    1926 Casanova Cigaretten (large & small size) (fight pose 1) (Germany)
    1926 Casanova Cigaretten (large & small size) (fight pose 2) (Germany)
    1926 Casanova Cigaretten with Carpentier (large & small size) (Germany)
    c1926 Prestine-Velox (France)
    1926/27 Aguilitas (Cuba)
    1927 Rich's "Baremle Sportsfolk" (Denmark)
    1928 John Player & Son "Pugilists In Action"
    1928 Ogden's Ltd "Pugilists In Action"
    1928 WA & AC Churchman "Men of the Moment"
    1928 Amatller Chocolate "Boxe" (Spain) - 3 cards
    1929 Godfrey Phillips "Sporting Champions"
    1929 Jasmatzi-Constantin Cigarettes "The World in Pictures"
    1929 Josetti Cigarettes "The World in Pictures"
    1929 Manoli Cigarettes "The World in Pictures"
    1929 Salem Cigarettes "The World in Pictures"
    1929 Sulima Cigarettes "The World in Pictures"
    1929 Walkdorf-Astoria Cigarettes "The World in Pictures"
    1929 La Morena
    1930 Carmelos Estrella (blank, black and blue backs) (Cuba)
    1930 Rippled Wheat (USA) 1930's Reunion Cigarettes (Germany)
    1930's Turquino (Cuba) 1934 Cigarrera Bigott (Venezuela)
    1932 Cloetta Chocolate (Sweden)
    1930 Rogers Peet
    1930 MP & Co. Ray-O-Print
    1930 Singleton & Cole Ltd "Famous Boxers"
    1932 Godfrey Phillips "Personalities of Today"
    1932 La Pie Qui Chante (France)(fight pose)(ad back)
    1932 La Pie Qui Chante (France)(fight pose)(bio back)
    1932 La Pie Qui Chante (France)(with Tilden)(ad back)
    1932 La Pie Qui Chante (France)(with Tilden)(bio back)
    1932 U.S. Caramel
    1933 Goudey Sport Kings
    1933 Trumpf Chocolate (Germany)
    1933 Bravour Zigarettenfabrik (Germany)
    1935 United Tobacco Co "World Famous
    Boxers" (English & Afrikaan)
    1937 Doughnut Corporation of America
    "Thrilling Moments"
    1937 Globo Chewing Gum
    1938 F.C. Cartledge "Famous Prize Fighters"
    (matte finish)
    1938 F.C. Cartledge "Famous Prize Fighters"
    (gloss finish)
    1938 WA & AC Churchman "Boxing Personalities"
    1945 Leister Game Company "Autographs"
    Game Card
    1946/47 Montiel "Los Reyes Del Deporte" (Cuba)
    1947 D. Cummings & Son "Famous Fighers"
    1948 Leaf Gum
    1948 Topps Magic Photo "Boxing Champions"
    1951 Baytch Bros
    1953 A & J Donaldson Ltd. "Sport Favorites"
    1954 Topps Scoop (v Willard)
    1954 Topps Scoop (v Willard) (with coating)
    1954 A & BC Ltd "All Sport Series"
    1956 Gum Products Inc "Adventure Series"
    1961 Swedish Rekord Journal (with Bo Borg)
    1962 Chix "Sports Through the Ages" (Wrestlers on
    front,, bio of Dempsey on rear)
    1967 Panini "Campioni Dello Sport"
    1977 Sportscaster Card (Red) - 2 cards
    (1 vs Carpentier)
    1979 Sportscaster Card (Green)
    1985 Whoozit Trivia Game Card (with others)
    1985 Puzzlers Game Card (Canada)
    1991 AW Sports "Boxing"
    1991 AW Sports "Boxing" (v Firpo)
    1991 Victoria Gallery "Boxing Champions" (2 cards)
    1911 Ideal Albums "Boxing Greats"
    1991 Kayo Cards
    1992 W.R. Priddy Antiques "Famous Boxers" (color, grey or color line background variations)
    1993 Ritchie & Co
    1993 Brown's Boxing
    1993 John M Brindley "World Boxers - Series 3" (Bob Hoare Characatures)
    1994 Brown's Boxing
    1995 Grolier "Life in America"
    1998 Futura "Boxing Legends"
    2002 Rockwell "The Great Heavyweights"
    2005 Helmar Brewing
    ???? Farmacia Y Drogueria "The Aces of the Screen" (Guatemala)
    Exhibit Cards/Postcards
    There are various postcards and postcard sized cards depicting Dempsey, including many issued by the "Exhibit Supply Company". Apart from those listed below, many others are available from years unknown.

    1921 Exhibit
    1922 Exhibit
    1923 Exhibit (3 cards)
    1925 Exhibit (4 cards)
    1926 Exhibit (2 cards)
    1927 Exhibit
    1928 Exhibit (3 cards) (various variations)
    ???? Exhibit "4-on-1"
    1948 Champions
    Cards Featuring Tunney fights:
    1920s R. Greiling Zigarettenfabrik (Grieling Cigarettes,
    Germany) (v Tunney) - 2 cards
    1927 Werner/Mertz Erdal (Germany) (v Tunney) Variation 1
    1927 Werner/Mertz Erdal (Germany) (v Tunney) Variation 2
    1928 Amatller Chocolate "Boxe" (Spain)
    - 2 cards v Tunney
    1927 Greiling Dresden "Serie Boxer-Bild 2" (Germany)
    (v Tunney)
    1928 Halpaus (Germany) (v Tunney)
    1935 Famous Fights Card (UK) (v Tunney)
    1953 Knorr Dempsey (v Tunney)(German Chocolates)
    1961 Quaker Oats "Great Moments in Sport" (v Tunney)
    1981 United Press International "Sports
    Nostalgia" (Long Count v Tunney)
    1991 AW Sports "Boxing" (v Tunney)
    19?? Dalpaub "Olympia Series" (Germany) (v Tunney)


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    ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I remember I caught a listing on ebay a while back for 12 of those N184 cards with a BIN for $100. I pounced, submitted them to PSA, and crossed my fingers. All came back real, including two baseball players and a few boxers (one of them the Dempsey).

    I also remember when I first started collecting Mauler Dempsey cards I had to go in to the PSA player registry and clean it all out of Nonpareil cards. They had actually combined the two fighters cards into one set. Ah, the good 'ol days.

    I used to have a N174 (-3 or -4, I think) Nonpareil but I traded it for a couple of difficult Mauler cards.

    And that boxingcarddigest website is pure rubbish.
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    << <i>
    And that boxingcarddigest website is pure rubbish. >>



    Are you talking about the entire site or just the Dempsey page ? I did not look over the rest of the site
    only the page I linked to. If you are talking about the Dempsey page I would be interested in what is
    incorrect, Not defending the page just need to know what I should disregard. Thanks in advance
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    ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Smokey, the owner of that site is a very good friend of mine. I'm just giving him a hard time, as he would undoubtedly give me. The site is a good resource, although me thinks he's been asleep at the wheel for a little while now. It's been quite a long time since it was updated.

    But if you ever had any questions I'm sure he would be very happy to help if he could. Just shoot him an email, his name is Dave.
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    << <i>Smokey, the owner of that site is a very good friend of mine. I'm just giving him a hard time, as he would undoubtedly give me. The site is a good resource, although me thinks he's been asleep at the wheel for a little while now. It's been quite a long time since it was updated.

    But if you ever had any questions I'm sure he would be very happy to help if he could. Just shoot him an email, his name is Dave. >>



    When he is sober, he is a tremendous help. Otherwise, forget it. image
    "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
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    mikliamiklia Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭
    great stuff guys. My only notes of value are that PSA is pretty definitive on at least some of the N184's being from 1887 (I checked with them), and oldmanvintagecards has compiled a very strong case for the Underwood and Underwood being from 1919. Are they the final word? Probably not, but hopefully it will help.
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    scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭
    Just back from PSA....

    Looks nicer than the grade of 2, but a couple of light creases and the back staining kept it where it is....

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    Big80sBig80s Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭
    I love that black borders on that set - great card of Johnson!
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    SumoMenkoManSumoMenkoMan Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭
    Awesome card! And it looks great in a PSA holder. I have a sumo wrestling card from that set too.
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    KNAPPKNAPP Posts: 654 ✭✭✭
    the KNAPP collection - specializing in boxing and wrestling
    Always looking to buy or trade for Andre the Giant autographs
    psacard.com/psasetregistry/non-sports/famous-personage/andre-giant-master-set/alltimeset/180400


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    eagles33eagles33 Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭
    I just picked this up. It's my oldest card and first card I got from the 1800s. There is paper loss on the front but not bad for something from 1887.

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    Scans of most of my Misc rookies can be found <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.collectors.com/m...y&keyword1=Non%20major">here
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    wrestlingcardkingwrestlingcardking Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭✭
    Great that you ventured back to 1887!!!! I am glad that I did a long time ago as well.
    BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec
    Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
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    Big80sBig80s Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I just picked this up. It's my oldest card and first card I got from the 1800s. There is paper loss on the front but not bad for something from 1887.

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    Great card, Chad! That A&G set is a classic.
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    KNAPPKNAPP Posts: 654 ✭✭✭
    the KNAPP collection - specializing in boxing and wrestling
    Always looking to buy or trade for Andre the Giant autographs
    psacard.com/psasetregistry/non-sports/famous-personage/andre-giant-master-set/alltimeset/180400


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    KNAPPKNAPP Posts: 654 ✭✭✭
    the KNAPP collection - specializing in boxing and wrestling
    Always looking to buy or trade for Andre the Giant autographs
    psacard.com/psasetregistry/non-sports/famous-personage/andre-giant-master-set/alltimeset/180400


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    Big80sBig80s Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Very Rare card I picked up a while back.

    [URL=http://s1341.photobucket.com/user/boxingandwrestling/media/Tipman_zps38415132.png.html]image[/URL] >>



    I've never seen one of these before, Greg. Very cool card!
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    halosfanhalosfan Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭✭
    So I like the Cartledge set and have been building a few for some time. I have one in a box to send out but had an opportunity to purchase an already graded set. Came in the mail yesterday. It completed two of my sets and moved me to #2 All Time Finest ... Not to shabby for the little guy to pass RAS. Always looking for the 2 alternate cards from this set if any of you have some spares.

    Cartledge

    Very Pleased.

    Matthew
    Looking for a Glen Rice Inkredible and Alex Rodriguez cards
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    Big80sBig80s Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭
    Great work, Matthew! Any time you can pass RAS - you're doing well!

    Btw - I just saw that Sugar Ray Robinson PSA 10 of yours - holy cow!
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    halosfanhalosfan Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks ... that Ray Robinson is from another quirky set ... fun one too.
    Looking for a Glen Rice Inkredible and Alex Rodriguez cards
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    miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Big80sBig80s Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭
    Great Louis cards - thanks for sharing. I don't believe I've seen either of those before.
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    halosfanhalosfan Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭✭
    Those Louis cards don't come around often. Nice
    Looking for a Glen Rice Inkredible and Alex Rodriguez cards
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    miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Bimbo is the only one graded. The Clevedon is by far the highest graded.
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    miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I actually "sold" the 1977 Bimbo yesterday for a generous offer; won't count my chickens until they've been deposited in my paypal acct. though, so at least for now it is still mine image
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    flash300flash300 Posts: 138 ✭✭
    Mile High has a few older graded sets up for auction any guess on what they should go for
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    thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭
    Not a card, but here is a neat boxing piece I got lately. Has a full LOA from PSA/DNA as well. This becomes only the 2nd signed boxing photo in my collection. (the other is of me and Ali)

    James “Gentleman Jim” Corbett was born Sept. 1, 1866 in San Francisco, CA and died Feb. 18, 1933 in Bayside, NY.
    Dubbed by the media as “Gentleman Jim,” he was college educated and, in addition to boxing, pursued a career in acting. He has been called the “Father of Modern Boxing” because of his scientific approach and innovations in technique that changed prize fighting from a brawl to an art form.

    On September 7, 1892 at the Olympic Club in New Orleans, LA, Corbett won the World Heavyweight Boxing Championship by knocking out the famous John L. Sullivan in the 21st round.

    His victory made him the 1st heavyweight boxer to win a championship under the Marquess of Queenberry Rules, which, amongst other things, established that a fight would consist of 3-minute rounds and required the fighters to wear leather boxing gloves.

    Corbett lost his championship to Bob Fitzsimmons on March 17, 1897 in Carson City, Nevada.

    Beautiful photo signed and inscribed of Corbett in a tuxedo is in exc. condition. Inscription reads:

    “To my old pal, Frank Cooley with best wishes from His old friend, Jim Corbett, Mar. 2/’22”

    Here's the whole pic:
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    Here's the up close view:
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    mikliamiklia Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭
    outstanding piece Mike. great pickup!
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    Big80sBig80s Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭
    I just love the way this card looks! Definitely one of my favorite Dempsey cards.

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    ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice Dempsey. Either that card has registration issues or I've seen it before. That's the second time I've seen one of those with his body slightly off-center from the background.
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    Big80sBig80s Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Nice Dempsey. Either that card has registration issues or I've seen it before. That's the second time I've seen one of those with his body slightly off-center from the background. >>



    I may have shown in here before. But it's definitely got some interesting registration going on.
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    ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I know a seller in Spain had one with the same registration problems about a year and a half ago. It's a small world and I've only seen a dozen or so of these so perhaps it ended up with you.
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    miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's my copy of that card. It does not have that offset image focus problem that is on the SGC slabbed one, but also notice that the back side of mine does not have the ad in the lower section. RC & Nonperil, you guys seem to have the most experience with these. Do you know anything about how much variation there was in the lower ad, ether with ad or without, or, different types of ads?

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    ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's not uncommon for Spanish cards from that era to have multiple companies push their name on the backs of products. It wouldn't surprise me to find a couple of different companies advertised there.

    Here's another 1920s Spanish set. I've found three different backs for this one so far.

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    << <i>It's not uncommon for Spanish cards from that era to have multiple companies push their name on the backs of products. It wouldn't surprise me to find a couple of different companies advertised there.

    Here's another 1920s Spanish set. I've found three different backs for this one so far.

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    What he said. In collecting both boxing and soccer cards (specifically ones from Spain) I too have noticed what RC has illustrated above. If you are familiar with vintage cards, I equate collecting Spanish chocolate cards with collecting a set like T206; cards have the same front with many different advertising backs. I haven't really taken the time to figure out which advertisements are more rare, but it would make a fun project. I will have to put it on my "to-do" list.
    "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
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    My Latest Pick-up. Nothing of great value (My cost 9.00 shipped) but thought it was kind of cool
    Considering there are 3 boxers showing
    George Foreman (Font), Joe Frazier (Back) & Floyd Patterson (Back)

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    miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,239 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What he said. In collecting both boxing and soccer cards (specifically ones from Spain) I too have noticed what RC has illustrated above. If you are familiar with vintage cards, I equate collecting Spanish chocolate cards with collecting a set like T206; cards have the same front with many different advertising backs. I haven't really taken the time to figure out which advertisements are more rare, but it would make a fun project. I will have to put it on my "to-do" list. >>



    Hmm, maybe I'll try to find time to email the others on the set registry and ask them about what the backs of theirs look like...

    Good comparison w/ T206. T206 has all the ad backs specified on the flip; I wonder if they should look into doing similar w/ the Spanish cards.

    I've seen a little bit of variance w/ some prewar Swedish issue cards too, but not nearly as much as with the Spanish ones.
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