<< <i>Welcome to the boards, Mike! That's a beautiful assortment of vintage racks you have there! I recall budding on a few of them myself when they were up for sale on ebay over the past couple of years. The '73 rack with the team card header was sold by packcollector a few years back, if memory serves. >>
I bought that 1973 rack from a guy on Long Island, ToppsKing1969, in a cash deal. It's nice to actually meet someone once in a while. I always wonder if the Schmidt is in there. As an Acccountant, I've figures the odds are 18.18% that the Schmidt RC is in there. Not high enough for me to crack it open though.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Not anything from the 1970s. I have opened a few 1980 and 1982 rack packs and a couple of 1980 wax packs. I actually pulled a Henderson RC out of one of the wax packs. Would probably grade out as an 8, but I like them as raw cards.
I like drooling...I mean looking at the racks. I forgot how many I actually had until I put them all out for the pictures. If I ever open any, I will post it for everyone to see.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
< Welcome to the boards, Mike! That's a beautiful assortment of vintage racks you have there! I recall budding on a few of them myself when they were up for sale on ebay over the past couple of years. The '73 rack with the team card header was sold by packcollector a few years back, if memory serves. >>
I bought that 1973 rack from a guy on Long Island, ToppsKing1969, in a cash deal. It's nice to actually meet someone once in a while. I always wonder if the Schmidt is in there. As an Acccountant, I've figures the odds are 18.18% that the Schmidt RC is in there. Not high enough for me to crack it open though.
Actually, I recall now that Toppsking purchased that rack from packcollector before selling it to you. That rack might be worth opening if it's a 5th series pack!
Edit: Interesting, too, is the regular card being used as the header card, something you usually see only on 1971 racks.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>< Welcome to the boards, Mike! That's a beautiful assortment of vintage racks you have there! I recall budding on a few of them myself when they were up for sale on ebay over the past couple of years. The '73 rack with the team card header was sold by packcollector a few years back, if memory serves. >>
I bought that 1973 rack from a guy on Long Island, ToppsKing1969, in a cash deal. It's nice to actually meet someone once in a while. I always wonder if the Schmidt is in there. As an Acccountant, I've figures the odds are 18.18% that the Schmidt RC is in there. Not high enough for me to crack it open though.
Actually, I recall now that Toppsking purchased that rack from packcollector before selling it to you. That rack might be worth opening if it's a 5th series pack!
Edit: Interesting, too, is the regular card being used as the header card, something you usually see only on 1971 racks. >>
I think it is a 4th/5th series rack. I'm going to check it out now and I'll let you know.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>< Welcome to the boards, Mike! That's a beautiful assortment of vintage racks you have there! I recall budding on a few of them myself when they were up for sale on ebay over the past couple of years. The '73 rack with the team card header was sold by packcollector a few years back, if memory serves. >>
I bought that 1973 rack from a guy on Long Island, ToppsKing1969, in a cash deal. It's nice to actually meet someone once in a while. I always wonder if the Schmidt is in there. As an Acccountant, I've figures the odds are 18.18% that the Schmidt RC is in there. Not high enough for me to crack it open though.
Actually, I recall now that Toppsking purchased that rack from packcollector before selling it to you. That rack might be worth opening if it's a 5th series pack!
Edit: Interesting, too, is the regular card being used as the header card, something you usually see only on 1971 racks. >>
I think it is a 4th/5th series rack. I'm going to check it out now and I'll let you know. >>
The Stottlemyre is #520 which would fall into the 4th series, but the card on the back is #530 which is in the 5th series. All the other cards showing are 5th series cards. Is this normal? Is it a 4th/5th series rack that happens to have mostly 5th series showing?
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
I think it is a 4th/5th series rack. I'm going to check it out now and I'll let you know. >>
The Stottlemyre is #520 which would fall into the 4th series, but the card on the back is #530 which is in the 5th series. All the other cards showing are 5th series cards. Is this normal? Is it a 4th/5th series rack that happens to have mostly 5th series showing?
I have several 73 mixed series racks, but usually the series are mixed in the sense that two sleeves are from one series and the last is from the other series. Topps also produced "all series" packs for the first time late in '73, so that is a possibility, too. Topps also changed the rack header card in 1974 from yellow to blue (they also lowered the card count from 54 to 42), so that may have something to do with the fact that your rack doesn't have the typical header card used in 1973.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I think it is a 4th/5th series rack. I'm going to check it out now and I'll let you know. >>
The Stottlemyre is #520 which would fall into the 4th series, but the card on the back is #530 which is in the 5th series. All the other cards showing are 5th series cards. Is this normal? Is it a 4th/5th series rack that happens to have mostly 5th series showing?
I have several 73 mixed series racks, but usually the series are mixed in the sense that two sleeves are from one series and the last is from the other series. Topps also produced "all series" packs for the first time late in '73, so that is a possibility, too. Topps also changed the rack header card in 1974 from yellow to blue (they also lowered the card count from 54 to 42), so that may have something to do with the fact that your rack doesn't have the typical header card used in 1973. >>
I thought the same thing that the card on the bottom of the middle sleeve with Stottlemyre showing would be from the 4th series, but it was not. I honestly don't think I'll ever open it so I guess I'll never know for sure unless someone else has seen a 1973 rack like this.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
I could never - and I mean NEVER!!!! have that many 1975 rack packs without busting them open. It's almost the same as having the worst itch on your back and you are holding a back scratcher - ya do what ya gotta do - and I'd be into those packs.
I could never - and I mean NEVER!!!! have that many 1975 rack packs without busting them open. It's almost the same as having the worst itch on your back and you are holding a back scratcher - ya do what ya gotta do - and I'd be into those packs.
I play both sides of the fence, having opened my fair share of vintage unopened, but to a true unopened collector, the thought of opening these packs is just as painful as you having those packs and NOT being able to open them. Maybe it has to do with the side of the brain or something, LOL..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I could never - and I mean NEVER!!!! have that many 1975 rack packs without busting them open. It's almost the same as having the worst itch on your back and you are holding a back scratcher - ya do what ya gotta do - and I'd be into those packs.
I play both sides of the fence, having opened my fair share of vintage unopened, but to a true unopened collector, the thought of opening these packs is just as painful as you having those packs and NOT being able to open them. Maybe it has to do with the side of the brain or something, LOL.. >>
I opened my first vintage pack back in '02--a raw '75 bb cello I purchased from Larry Fritsch cards for $75. Unfortunately all 18 cards had at least two dinged corners attributable to the tightly wrapped cellophane. Adding insult to injury the pack contained a beautifully centered Bench which had four bad corners. In disgust I threw all 18 cards in the trash and withdrew from the hobby for six months. But my love for vintage unopened lured my back and I've been here ever since though I've yet to regain the courage to open another pack.
"You tell 'em I'm coming...and hell's coming with me"--Wyatt Earp
<< <i>I could never - and I mean NEVER!!!! have that many 1975 rack packs without busting them open. It's almost the same as having the worst itch on your back and you are holding a back scratcher - ya do what ya gotta do - and I'd be into those packs.
I play both sides of the fence, having opened my fair share of vintage unopened, but to a true unopened collector, the thought of opening these packs is just as painful as you having those packs and NOT being able to open them. Maybe it has to do with the side of the brain or something, LOL.. >>
I opened my first vintage pack back in '02--a raw '75 bb cello I purchased from Larry Fritsch cards for $75. Unfortunately all 18 cards had at least two dinged corners attributable to the tightly wrapped cellophane. Adding insult to injury the pack contained a beautifully centered Bench which had four bad corners. In disgust I threw all 18 cards in the trash and withdrew from the hobby for six months. But my love for vintage unopened lured my back and I've been here ever since though I've yet to regain the courage to open another pack. >>
I can't argue with that..
I think unopened has it best allure - staying "UN"opened - the thrill of what's "not" known is the appreciation and intrigue of the item IMO.
I do enjoy opening a vending box here and there tho.
<< <i>I could never - and I mean NEVER!!!! have that many 1975 rack packs without busting them open. It's almost the same as having the worst itch on your back and you are holding a back scratcher - ya do what ya gotta do - and I'd be into those packs.
I play both sides of the fence, having opened my fair share of vintage unopened, but to a true unopened collector, the thought of opening these packs is just as painful as you having those packs and NOT being able to open them. Maybe it has to do with the side of the brain or something, LOL.. >>
I opened my first vintage pack back in '02--a raw '75 bb cello I purchased from Larry Fritsch cards for $75. Unfortunately all 18 cards had at least two dinged corners attributable to the tightly wrapped cellophane. Adding insult to injury the pack contained a beautifully centered Bench which had four bad corners. In disgust I threw all 18 cards in the trash and withdrew from the hobby for six months. But my love for vintage unopened lured my back and I've been here ever since though I've yet to regain the courage to open another pack. >>
I can't argue with that..
I think unopened has it best allure - staying "UN"opened - the thrill of what's "not" known is the appreciation and intrigue of the item IMO.
I do enjoy opening a vending box here and there tho. >>
I actually bought an unopened 1974 Baseball Vending Box from BBCE about 1 year ago and busted it open. I was hoping for some Winfields, but I did get 3 really nice Hank Aaron card #1. I've been tempted to send the best one of the group in for graded to PSA, but I'm not really into collecting graded cards. I would only do it if I was selling which I don't plan to for a very very long time. I also like the fact that unopened are in fact "unopened". They have been around like that since I was a kid and who am I to opened them open. Kind of like saving an endangered species I guess.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>I could never - and I mean NEVER!!!! have that many 1975 rack packs without busting them open. It's almost the same as having the worst itch on your back and you are holding a back scratcher - ya do what ya gotta do - and I'd be into those packs.
I play both sides of the fence, having opened my fair share of vintage unopened, but to a true unopened collector, the thought of opening these packs is just as painful as you having those packs and NOT being able to open them. Maybe it has to do with the side of the brain or something, LOL.. >>
I opened my first vintage pack back in '02--a raw '75 bb cello I purchased from Larry Fritsch cards for $75. Unfortunately all 18 cards had at least two dinged corners attributable to the tightly wrapped cellophane. Adding insult to injury the pack contained a beautifully centered Bench which had four bad corners. In disgust I threw all 18 cards in the trash and withdrew from the hobby for six months. But my love for vintage unopened lured my back and I've been here ever since though I've yet to regain the courage to open another pack. >>
I can't argue with that..
I think unopened has it best allure - staying "UN"opened - the thrill of what's "not" known is the appreciation and intrigue of the item IMO.
I do enjoy opening a vending box here and there tho. >>
i agree with you guys.
there comes a point (price point perhaps?) when it (box,pack,case,etc.) just isnt worth opening VS what MIGHT be inside.
i hope that makes sense.
Big Fan of: HOF Post War RC, Graded RCs WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
there comes a point (price point perhaps?) when it (box,pack,case,etc.) just isnt worth opening VS what MIGHT be inside.
i hope that makes sense. >>
Hello Eric, I know what you mean. That's particularly the case the older the unopened pack is. I hope you enjoyed the Mets pages I posted. They don't do them justice though.
I saw I one of Muggyman's thread that you are a fellow Long Islander, hence being doomed as a Mets fan. At least we had 86!!! I do like the new stadium though. Shea was getting depressing.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>I'm only missing the Seaver rookie (who isn't) and the 1962 Rookie Parade Pitchers with Craig Anderson and Bob Moorhead on it. >>
Welcome, Mike. I've been following your intro thread here and thought I had replied, but upon further review noticed I didn't. I remember now that I went to see if I had an extra of the '62T Rookie Parade card you need and never did reply. I didn't have a NM extra, so that was the end of that fun.
You've got an impressive and colorful collection going. Best of luck on filling the holes in your wantlist!
I believe the idea of ripping vintage unopened to make money may be the closest thing to attempting to win the lottery.
It does happen but my intuition tells me it's just too rare to gamble.
I remember in the 90s, there was an article in SCD about a guy who opened a 52T pack and pulled a Pafko - sent it to PSA and it came back a 10! It sold in a 1999 auction for around 90K. Have no idea what it's worth today.
Now, if someone is opening 70s wax for entertainment? I say - what the heh!
But I fear that opening is addictive - "Cardboard Crack"
<< <i>>>... But I fear that opening is addictive - "Cardboard Crack" >>
Not opening is addictive - Muggyman >>
Hey Muggyman. I'm on page 20 of your "Unopened Packs" thread. I'm slowing down with all the videos. Love it so far!!! I also love how you ask questions to those people on eBay. I can tell you are a fellow New Yorker.
I'll post some of my newer stuff on your thread. By newer, I mean 1979 to 1986.
Say hi next time you visit the Island.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
But I fear that opening is addictive - "Cardboard Crack"
I can attest to that statement---usually when the mood strikes me to open "just a couple of packs," I wind up tearing open much more than that trying to capture the high of that next gem mint card. Usually, it's a losing proposition, but I've pulled my fair share of blazers, too--a PSA 10 1972 Topps card from a $100 GAI 9 wax pack that I sold for $500. A PSA 9 Aaron and a PSA 9 Brett and a PSA 8.5 Ryan from one of the Conlon wax boxes that basically paid for the entire box, and lots of high grade cards for my registry set to boot . Of course, I've been burned mt fair share of times, too, but I'd say that I've learned quite a bit about vintage unopened packs by opening them, in the sense that it's become easier for me to spot bogus packs, too.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Anyone familiar with ebay seller asf0800? He has a couple of real clean-looking 1972 and 1973 Topps baseball wax boxes for sale, but no scans of the packs of themselves. Wondering if anyone here had dealt with him previously?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Anyone familiar with ebay seller asf0800? He has a couple of real clean-looking 1972 and 1973 Topps baseball wax boxes for sale, but no scans of the packs of themselves. Wondering if anyone here had dealt with him previously? >>
I asked the same question on bking's thread. I looked at who he has bought from in the past and I only see two purchases he made from sellers I would beware of "ohrather" and "tjs6121", but they sold newer stuff than 1972. tjs6121 usually sells nothing older than 1978 and ohrather's oldest box was a 1976.
Hard to say. He has sold some other high value boxes with positive FB. I would ask him for pictures of the fronts and backs of some of the packs and see what his response is. You can usually learn a lot based on how they respond.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
This prolific ebay seller of '70's era wax is also a prolific (buyer) of '70's era wax wrappers, singles and empty wax boxes. He uses an alias ebay ID (ultimatesets) to buy all the ingredients necessary to make his wax packs. To carry out his deception he uses one ID out of Kansas City, Kansas to sell his packs and he travels but a few miles across the river into Kansas City, Missouri to use his second ID thus making it appear these are two different ebayers living in different states. Beware of Tjs6121 as he has been getting away with this for years on ebay.
"You tell 'em I'm coming...and hell's coming with me"--Wyatt Earp
His first incarnation back in the day was boyerendeavorsllc..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Wow, you have an amazing unopened pack collection going there! The one that caught my eye was the 73 rack because of the Evans rookie on top. Dewey was one of my heroes growing up.
And the 75 rack lot is amazing! Everything you posted is pretty freaking cool. Thanks for sharing the pics with us.
And I'm always glad to have another unopened pack collector on the board. There are far too many of those "Rip it open!" collectors on here. (I'm looking at you Zep!)
Keep us up to date on any new additions to the collection.
Wow, you have an amazing unopened pack collection going there! The one that caught my eye was the 73 rack because of the Evans rookie on top. Dewey was one of my heroes growing up.
And the 75 rack lot is amazing! Everything you posted is pretty freaking cool. Thanks for sharing the pics with us.
And I'm always glad to have another unopened pack collector on the board. There are far too many of those "Rip it open!" collectors on here. (I'm looking at you Zep!)
Keep us up to date on any new additions to the collection. >>
Thanks. I'm actually going to post some pictures of some of my 1979 and 1980 cellos on Muggyman's Unopened Pack thread in a little while.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
I hadn't noticed this thread until now, lots of great packs here Mike. I think I sold all of my '77 cellos but I do still have several 77 racks. It was the year my daughter was born so I also have a 77 PSA set.
Those 77's are hard to come by. I've been waiting for a 1977 rack box on get listed for awhile now.
As you can see, I really like those 75 rack packs.
I actually have 2 boys (12 & 7) so I've been trying to collect two unopened boxes of wax, cello, and rack from each year beginning in 1986 and working my way back as far as I can afford to anyway...LOL. I am currently complete until 1979 and have 2 wax and cello boxes for 1978. The 1976 to 1978 rack pack boxes are hard to come by these days. I'm hoping they are still out there and haven't been ripped and graded.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Thanks. No, I haven't seen one of these on BBCE in awhile. An off eBay purchase that went smoothly. The person I bought it from only had it for a week and purchased it from the original owner. As you know these are hard to find complete.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
WOW MIKE! Very nice addition to an already nice collection.
STAY HEALTHY!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
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<< <i>Welcome to the boards, Mike! That's a beautiful assortment of vintage racks you have there! I recall budding on a few of them myself when they were up for sale on ebay over the past couple of years. The '73 rack with the team card header was sold by packcollector a few years back, if memory serves. >>
I bought that 1973 rack from a guy on Long Island, ToppsKing1969, in a cash deal. It's nice to actually meet someone once in a while. I always wonder if the Schmidt is in there. As an Acccountant, I've figures the odds are 18.18% that the Schmidt RC is in there. Not high enough for me to crack it open though.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
btw, i cannot stop staring at those rack cases
WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
<< <i>Mike, do you rip anything at all?
btw, i cannot stop staring at those rack cases >>
Not anything from the 1970s. I have opened a few 1980 and 1982 rack packs and a couple of 1980 wax packs. I actually pulled a Henderson RC out of one of the wax packs. Would probably grade out as an 8, but I like them as raw cards.
I like drooling...I mean looking at the racks. I forgot how many I actually had until I put them all out for the pictures. If I ever open any, I will post it for everyone to see.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
I bought that 1973 rack from a guy on Long Island, ToppsKing1969, in a cash deal. It's nice to actually meet someone once in a while. I always wonder if the Schmidt is in there. As an Acccountant, I've figures the odds are 18.18% that the Schmidt RC is in there. Not high enough for me to crack it open though.
Actually, I recall now that Toppsking purchased that rack from packcollector before selling it to you. That rack might be worth opening if it's a 5th series pack!
Edit: Interesting, too, is the regular card being used as the header card, something you usually see only on 1971 racks.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>< Welcome to the boards, Mike! That's a beautiful assortment of vintage racks you have there! I recall budding on a few of them myself when they were up for sale on ebay over the past couple of years. The '73 rack with the team card header was sold by packcollector a few years back, if memory serves. >>
I bought that 1973 rack from a guy on Long Island, ToppsKing1969, in a cash deal. It's nice to actually meet someone once in a while. I always wonder if the Schmidt is in there. As an Acccountant, I've figures the odds are 18.18% that the Schmidt RC is in there. Not high enough for me to crack it open though.
Actually, I recall now that Toppsking purchased that rack from packcollector before selling it to you. That rack might be worth opening if it's a 5th series pack!
Edit: Interesting, too, is the regular card being used as the header card, something you usually see only on 1971 racks. >>
I think it is a 4th/5th series rack. I'm going to check it out now and I'll let you know.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>
<< <i>< Welcome to the boards, Mike! That's a beautiful assortment of vintage racks you have there! I recall budding on a few of them myself when they were up for sale on ebay over the past couple of years. The '73 rack with the team card header was sold by packcollector a few years back, if memory serves. >>
I bought that 1973 rack from a guy on Long Island, ToppsKing1969, in a cash deal. It's nice to actually meet someone once in a while. I always wonder if the Schmidt is in there. As an Acccountant, I've figures the odds are 18.18% that the Schmidt RC is in there. Not high enough for me to crack it open though.
Actually, I recall now that Toppsking purchased that rack from packcollector before selling it to you. That rack might be worth opening if it's a 5th series pack!
Edit: Interesting, too, is the regular card being used as the header card, something you usually see only on 1971 racks. >>
I think it is a 4th/5th series rack. I'm going to check it out now and I'll let you know. >>
The Stottlemyre is #520 which would fall into the 4th series, but the card on the back is #530 which is in the 5th series. All the other cards showing are 5th series cards. Is this normal? Is it a 4th/5th series rack that happens to have mostly 5th series showing?
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
The Stottlemyre is #520 which would fall into the 4th series, but the card on the back is #530 which is in the 5th series. All the other cards showing are 5th series cards. Is this normal? Is it a 4th/5th series rack that happens to have mostly 5th series showing?
I have several 73 mixed series racks, but usually the series are mixed in the sense that two sleeves are from one series and the last is from the other series. Topps also produced "all series" packs for the first time late in '73, so that is a possibility, too. Topps also changed the rack header card in 1974 from yellow to blue (they also lowered the card count from 54 to 42), so that may have something to do with the fact that your rack doesn't have the typical header card used in 1973.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I think it is a 4th/5th series rack. I'm going to check it out now and I'll let you know. >>
The Stottlemyre is #520 which would fall into the 4th series, but the card on the back is #530 which is in the 5th series. All the other cards showing are 5th series cards. Is this normal? Is it a 4th/5th series rack that happens to have mostly 5th series showing?
I have several 73 mixed series racks, but usually the series are mixed in the sense that two sleeves are from one series and the last is from the other series. Topps also produced "all series" packs for the first time late in '73, so that is a possibility, too. Topps also changed the rack header card in 1974 from yellow to blue (they also lowered the card count from 54 to 42), so that may have something to do with the fact that your rack doesn't have the typical header card used in 1973. >>
I thought the same thing that the card on the bottom of the middle sleeve with Stottlemyre showing would be from the 4th series, but it was not. I honestly don't think I'll ever open it so I guess I'll never know for sure unless someone else has seen a 1973 rack like this.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
I play both sides of the fence, having opened my fair share of vintage unopened, but to a true unopened collector, the thought of opening these packs is just as painful as you having those packs and NOT being able to open them. Maybe it has to do with the side of the brain or something, LOL..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I could never - and I mean NEVER!!!! have that many 1975 rack packs without busting them open. It's almost the same as having the worst itch on your back and you are holding a back scratcher - ya do what ya gotta do - and I'd be into those packs.
I play both sides of the fence, having opened my fair share of vintage unopened, but to a true unopened collector, the thought of opening these packs is just as painful as you having those packs and NOT being able to open them. Maybe it has to do with the side of the brain or something, LOL.. >>
I opened my first vintage pack back in '02--a raw '75 bb cello I purchased from Larry Fritsch cards for $75. Unfortunately all 18 cards had at least two dinged corners attributable to the tightly wrapped cellophane. Adding insult to injury the pack contained a beautifully centered Bench which had four bad corners. In disgust I threw all 18 cards in the trash and withdrew from the hobby for six months. But my love for vintage unopened lured my back and I've been here ever since though I've yet to regain the courage to open another pack.
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<< <i>I could never - and I mean NEVER!!!! have that many 1975 rack packs without busting them open. It's almost the same as having the worst itch on your back and you are holding a back scratcher - ya do what ya gotta do - and I'd be into those packs.
I play both sides of the fence, having opened my fair share of vintage unopened, but to a true unopened collector, the thought of opening these packs is just as painful as you having those packs and NOT being able to open them. Maybe it has to do with the side of the brain or something, LOL.. >>
I opened my first vintage pack back in '02--a raw '75 bb cello I purchased from Larry Fritsch cards for $75. Unfortunately all 18 cards had at least two dinged corners attributable to the tightly wrapped cellophane. Adding insult to injury the pack contained a beautifully centered Bench which had four bad corners. In disgust I threw all 18 cards in the trash and withdrew from the hobby for six months. But my love for vintage unopened lured my back and I've been here ever since though I've yet to regain the courage to open another pack. >>
I can't argue with that..
I think unopened has it best allure - staying "UN"opened - the thrill of what's "not" known is the appreciation and intrigue of the item IMO.
I do enjoy opening a vending box here and there tho.
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<< <i>I could never - and I mean NEVER!!!! have that many 1975 rack packs without busting them open. It's almost the same as having the worst itch on your back and you are holding a back scratcher - ya do what ya gotta do - and I'd be into those packs.
I play both sides of the fence, having opened my fair share of vintage unopened, but to a true unopened collector, the thought of opening these packs is just as painful as you having those packs and NOT being able to open them. Maybe it has to do with the side of the brain or something, LOL.. >>
I opened my first vintage pack back in '02--a raw '75 bb cello I purchased from Larry Fritsch cards for $75. Unfortunately all 18 cards had at least two dinged corners attributable to the tightly wrapped cellophane. Adding insult to injury the pack contained a beautifully centered Bench which had four bad corners. In disgust I threw all 18 cards in the trash and withdrew from the hobby for six months. But my love for vintage unopened lured my back and I've been here ever since though I've yet to regain the courage to open another pack. >>
I can't argue with that..
I think unopened has it best allure - staying "UN"opened - the thrill of what's "not" known is the appreciation and intrigue of the item IMO.
I do enjoy opening a vending box here and there tho. >>
I actually bought an unopened 1974 Baseball Vending Box from BBCE about 1 year ago and busted it open. I was hoping for some Winfields, but I did get 3 really nice Hank Aaron card #1. I've been tempted to send the best one of the group in for graded to PSA, but I'm not really into collecting graded cards. I would only do it if I was selling which I don't plan to for a very very long time. I also like the fact that unopened are in fact "unopened". They have been around like that since I was a kid and who am I to opened them open. Kind of like saving an endangered species I guess.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
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<< <i>I could never - and I mean NEVER!!!! have that many 1975 rack packs without busting them open. It's almost the same as having the worst itch on your back and you are holding a back scratcher - ya do what ya gotta do - and I'd be into those packs.
I play both sides of the fence, having opened my fair share of vintage unopened, but to a true unopened collector, the thought of opening these packs is just as painful as you having those packs and NOT being able to open them. Maybe it has to do with the side of the brain or something, LOL.. >>
I opened my first vintage pack back in '02--a raw '75 bb cello I purchased from Larry Fritsch cards for $75. Unfortunately all 18 cards had at least two dinged corners attributable to the tightly wrapped cellophane. Adding insult to injury the pack contained a beautifully centered Bench which had four bad corners. In disgust I threw all 18 cards in the trash and withdrew from the hobby for six months. But my love for vintage unopened lured my back and I've been here ever since though I've yet to regain the courage to open another pack. >>
I can't argue with that..
I think unopened has it best allure - staying "UN"opened - the thrill of what's "not" known is the appreciation and intrigue of the item IMO.
I do enjoy opening a vending box here and there tho. >>
i agree with you guys.
there comes a point (price point perhaps?) when it (box,pack,case,etc.) just isnt worth opening VS what MIGHT be inside.
i hope that makes sense.
WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
there comes a point (price point perhaps?) when it (box,pack,case,etc.) just isnt worth opening VS what MIGHT be inside.
i hope that makes sense. >>
Hello Eric, I know what you mean. That's particularly the case the older the unopened pack is. I hope you enjoyed the Mets pages I posted. They don't do them justice though.
I saw I one of Muggyman's thread that you are a fellow Long Islander, hence being doomed as a Mets fan. At least we had 86!!! I do like the new stadium though. Shea was getting depressing.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>I'm only missing the Seaver rookie (who isn't) and the 1962 Rookie Parade Pitchers with Craig Anderson and Bob Moorhead on it. >>
Welcome, Mike. I've been following your intro thread here and thought I had replied, but upon further review noticed I didn't. I remember now that I went to see if I had an extra of the '62T Rookie Parade card you need and never did reply. I didn't have a NM extra, so that was the end of that fun.
You've got an impressive and colorful collection going. Best of luck on filling the holes in your wantlist!
It does happen but my intuition tells me it's just too rare to gamble.
I remember in the 90s, there was an article in SCD about a guy who opened a 52T pack and pulled a Pafko - sent it to PSA and it came back a 10! It sold in a 1999 auction for around 90K. Have no idea what it's worth today.
Now, if someone is opening 70s wax for entertainment? I say - what the heh!
But I fear that opening is addictive - "Cardboard Crack"
Not opening is addictive - Muggyman
Mike (Stone193), I agree with your "Cardboard Crack comment. I'm sure it would be addictive.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>>>... But I fear that opening is addictive - "Cardboard Crack" >>
Not opening is addictive - Muggyman >>
Hey Muggyman. I'm on page 20 of your "Unopened Packs" thread. I'm slowing down with all the videos. Love it so far!!! I also love how you ask questions to those people on eBay. I can tell you are a fellow New Yorker.
I'll post some of my newer stuff on your thread. By newer, I mean 1979 to 1986.
Say hi next time you visit the Island.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
and yes, i too live on long island, but was born and raised in Flushing and for many years could see Shea from my kitchen window
WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
<< <i>cpamike (as you mentioned, too many Mikes here! LOL), yes i did enjoy the '63 Mets page, centering is fantastic!
and yes, i too live on long island, but was born and raised in Flushing and for many years could see Shea from my kitchen window >>
Parking must have been great during the season...LOL!!!
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
I can attest to that statement---usually when the mood strikes me to open "just a couple of packs," I wind up tearing open much more than that trying to capture the high of that next gem mint card. Usually, it's a losing proposition, but I've pulled my fair share of blazers, too--a PSA 10 1972 Topps card from a $100 GAI 9 wax pack that I sold for $500. A PSA 9 Aaron and a PSA 9 Brett and a PSA 8.5 Ryan from one of the Conlon wax boxes that basically paid for the entire box, and lots of high grade cards for my registry set to boot . Of course, I've been burned mt fair share of times, too, but I'd say that I've learned quite a bit about vintage unopened packs by opening them, in the sense that it's become easier for me to spot bogus packs, too.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Anyone familiar with ebay seller asf0800? He has a couple of real clean-looking 1972 and 1973 Topps baseball wax boxes for sale, but no scans of the packs of themselves. Wondering if anyone here had dealt with him previously? >>
I asked the same question on bking's thread. I looked at who he has bought from in the past and I only see two purchases he made from sellers I would beware of "ohrather" and "tjs6121", but they sold newer stuff than 1972. tjs6121 usually sells nothing older than 1978 and ohrather's oldest box was a 1976.
Hard to say. He has sold some other high value boxes with positive FB. I would ask him for pictures of the fronts and backs of some of the packs and see what his response is. You can usually learn a lot based on how they respond.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
This prolific ebay seller of '70's era wax is also a prolific (buyer) of '70's era wax wrappers, singles and empty wax boxes. He uses an alias ebay ID (ultimatesets) to buy all the ingredients necessary to make his wax packs. To carry out his deception he uses one ID out of Kansas City, Kansas to sell his packs and he travels but a few miles across the river into Kansas City, Missouri to use his second ID thus making it appear these are two different ebayers living in different states. Beware of Tjs6121 as he has been getting away with this for years on ebay.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Welcome Mike!
Wow, you have an amazing unopened pack collection going there! The one that caught my eye was the 73 rack because of the Evans rookie on top. Dewey was one of my heroes growing up.
And the 75 rack lot is amazing! Everything you posted is pretty freaking cool. Thanks for sharing the pics with us.
And I'm always glad to have another unopened pack collector on the board. There are far too many of those "Rip it open!" collectors on here. (I'm looking at you Zep!)
Keep us up to date on any new additions to the collection.
<< <i>Little late to the party here....
Welcome Mike!
Wow, you have an amazing unopened pack collection going there! The one that caught my eye was the 73 rack because of the Evans rookie on top. Dewey was one of my heroes growing up.
And the 75 rack lot is amazing! Everything you posted is pretty freaking cool. Thanks for sharing the pics with us.
And I'm always glad to have another unopened pack collector on the board. There are far too many of those "Rip it open!" collectors on here. (I'm looking at you Zep!)
Keep us up to date on any new additions to the collection.
Thanks. I'm actually going to post some pictures of some of my 1979 and 1980 cellos on Muggyman's Unopened Pack thread in a little while.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Welcome
Thanks for the welcome and smiley guy!!!
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Some Brett packs...
And the McCovey twins...
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Now collecting:
Topps Heritage
1957 Topps BB Ex+-NM
All Yaz Items 7+
Various Red Sox
Did I leave anything out?
Those 77's are hard to come by. I've been waiting for a 1977 rack box on get listed for awhile now.
As you can see, I really like those 75 rack packs.
I actually have 2 boys (12 & 7) so I've been trying to collect two unopened boxes of wax, cello, and rack from each year beginning in 1986 and working my way back as far as I can afford to anyway...LOL. I am currently complete until 1979 and have 2 wax and cello boxes for 1978. The 1976 to 1978 rack pack boxes are hard to come by these days. I'm hoping they are still out there and haven't been ripped and graded.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
I like the 77Ts - though I never did the set.
Thanx for the update.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
"Molon Labe"
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
My collecting blog: http://ctcard.wordpress.com
Can you see me now?
cpamike = the man!
<< <i>This is incredible! Very nice! BBCE? >>
Thanks. No, I haven't seen one of these on BBCE in awhile. An off eBay purchase that went smoothly. The person I bought it from only had it for a week and purchased it from the original owner. As you know these are hard to find complete.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Very VERY nice...you could almost start your own baseball card museum.
Only if Grote and Muggyman contribute. I think we are cornering the market.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Sticking with the '77 Ryan theme...
Can you see me now? >>
I can see you and I want you.
Muggyman = 1 of 1
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Sadly, I do not own it anymore.