The deal is done. And a fitting end. ("1964-D" Dollars)
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All done - no more will be made now (all remaining dies cancelled).
This "project" was a lot of work, but to me it was worth it for the educational and entertainment value alone.
Towards the end I started intentionally abusing the dies (I wanted to see a crack !).
Somewhat fitting that when the die did fail, it broke right over the "64" (the location of the crack was not planned).
"1964-D" Fantasy Over-Struck Peace Silver Dollars - Production Blog
This "project" was a lot of work, but to me it was worth it for the educational and entertainment value alone.
Towards the end I started intentionally abusing the dies (I wanted to see a crack !).
Somewhat fitting that when the die did fail, it broke right over the "64" (the location of the crack was not planned).
"1964-D" Fantasy Over-Struck Peace Silver Dollars - Production Blog
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Did you get all 1,964 pressed out? I see several listed on your blog that are struck but not released. Example: the 10 gold plated ones. Are these 10 counted as part of the 1,964 pieces?
<< <i>Cool project. Thanks for the image of the dies, that is neat.
Did you get all 1,964 pressed out? I see several listed on your blog that are struck but not released. Example: the 10 gold plated ones. Are these 10 counted as part of the 1,964 pieces? >>
Yes, all 1,964 pieces are done. Items that were struck but not released are included in the 1,964 figure. So the total number of coins actually sold ("released") is less than 1,964.
<< <i>Wow, that's a major cud. Are you selling the canceled dies? >>
I'm sure there would be a few buyers for them, but no.
I usually throw dies in the "rust bucket" to rust away.
Instead, I cancelled these with the "X" cut. I may keep
them for display purposes.
All the ones I allotted for sale are gone (all types are "Sold Out" at my web site).
I did save a quantity of different types for my own collection,
but those will not be available in the forseeable future (if ever).
Nice project DC. The die pics are very cool.
Thanks Again !
I wonder if the secret service is concerned about you striking regular coins? Obviously you have the skill and materials to strike everyday presidential dollars of you wanted!
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<< <i>All done - no more will be made now (all remaining dies cancelled).
This "project" was a lot of work, but to me it was worth it for the educational and entertainment value alone.
Towards the end I started intentionally abusing the dies (I wanted to see a crack !).
Somewhat fitting that when the die did fail, it broke right over the "64" (the location of the crack was not planned).
"1964-D" Fantasy Over-Struck Peace Silver Dollars - Production Blog >>
What was this one struck on, a copper disc? I see no Peace dollar understrike in the cud area, or the corresponding unstruck area of the reverse behind the cud.
TD
Some champagne to celebrate might be called for, if you and your wife drink. Cheers.
The "understrike" Is at the top where the eagles head is.
<< <i>What was this one struck on, a copper disc? I see no Peace dollar understrike in the cud area, or the corresponding unstruck area of the reverse behind the cud.
TD >>
Read the blog Tom:
"Die Pair 6
Cud die break on date.
Broad-struck on 39mm
copper blank."
The name is LEE!
Anyone else notice the bifurcated lettering?
Here's one more idea that might be more feasible: I don't know how many of you read my novel DOUBLE EAGLE (plug, plug), but in it, the boys find an 1861-O double eagle that has a Confederate States of America reverse. I mean, really, if you think this Peace Dollar was hot, imagine the sales from all the people interested in the Civil War?
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<< <i>What was this one struck on, a copper disc? I see no Peace dollar understrike in the cud area, or the corresponding unstruck area of the reverse behind the cud.
TD >>
Read the blog Tom:
"Die Pair 6
Cud die break on date.
Broad-struck on 39mm
copper blank."
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So, if the other pieces were not counterfeits because they were struck over genuine Peace dollars, these copper strikes are..........what?
TD
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<< <i>What was this one struck on, a copper disc? I see no Peace dollar understrike in the cud area, or the corresponding unstruck area of the reverse behind the cud.
TD >>
Read the blog Tom:
"Die Pair 6
Cud die break on date.
Broad-struck on 39mm
copper blank."
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So, if the other pieces were not counterfeits because they were struck over genuine Peace dollars, these copper strikes are..........what?
TD
Trial strikes of a fantasy coin.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
C'mon, Perry......he's crossed the line into counterfeiting and you know it.
Don't feel the need to keep repeating "The parrot's not dead! He's just resting!"
TD
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--Severian the Lame
<< <i>That say UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and ONE DOLLAR?
C'mon, Perry......he's crossed the line into counterfeiting and you know it.
Don't feel the need to keep repeating "The parrot's not dead! He's just resting!"
TD >>
Come on Tom, we all know you're just jealous because he never came out with that bolo tie piece you wanted so bad.
I knew it would happen.
yes.
<< <i>That say UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and ONE DOLLAR?
C'mon, Perry......he's crossed the line into counterfeiting and you know it.
Don't feel the need to keep repeating "The parrot's not dead! He's just resting!"
TD >>
Come on Tom, you know it's a fantasy coin and couldn't be a counterfeit since no 1964 Peace dollars exist.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>That say UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and ONE DOLLAR?
C'mon, Perry......he's crossed the line into counterfeiting and you know it.
Don't feel the need to keep repeating "The parrot's not dead! He's just resting!"
TD >>
Come on Tom, you know it's a fantasy coin and couldn't be a counterfeit since no 1964 Peace dollars exist. >>
Piece Brother....
First CONGRATULATIONS
As I read thru your production blog I see that in fact 1964 pcs were struck but only 1610 pcs were released. That is a difference of 354 pcs. Your site says all coins are sold out. I am sure you have many coins in your private stock but my question is:
Do you have all 354 unreleased pcs or were many of them reused or destroyed? Just wondering what the final number of actual coins is?
Thanks, GrandAm
my early American coins & currency: -- http://yankeedoodlecoins.com/
<< <i>Hello Dan,
First CONGRATULATIONS
As I read thru your production blog I see that in fact 1964 pcs were struck but only 1610 pcs were released. That is a difference of 354 pcs. Your site says all coins are sold out. I am sure you have many coins in your private stock but my question is:
Do you have all 354 unreleased pcs or were many of them reused or destroyed? Just wondering what the final number of actual coins is?
Thanks, GrandAm
interesting question, yes.
what are the sales/released figures ?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Interesting logic. Are you saying that "real" coins are no longer legal tender and cannot be used as real money today?
<< <i>if someone uses a high end laser printer and makes a $100 bill, but doesn't release it... then is it counterfeiting?
yes. >>
Not necessarily...
If you wish to do pretty much what Dan did but with currency, you need to modify a real $100 bill, leave the denomination alone, and muck with the design. Have fun!
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<< <i>if someone uses a high end laser printer and makes a $100 bill, but doesn't release it... then is it counterfeiting?
yes. >>
Not necessarily...
If you wish to do pretty much what Dan did but with currency, you need to modify a real $100 bill, leave the denomination alone, and muck with the design. Have fun! >>
There are specific rules regarding duplicating currency - size and all. I don't think it is the same thing as what Dan is doing. If you copy it on a copier, in all cases this is a federal crime.
<< <i>IF the United States of America were still minting coins like this, and they still circulated, these could pass for "real" coins. But the government stopped making real money decades ago, and these handsome replicas cannot circulate in 2011. To say that they are counterfeit (and imply that their maker is a counterfeiter) is ridiculous. I own four different examples myself, and they are as good as any Mint product, and better than some. Kudos to Mr. Carr. >>
If you were to strike a chain cent today without the word "copy" it would be a counterfeit. A real chain cent is still valid as one cent in commerce, as is every other coin struck by the mint valid for its given denomination. That the US no longer produces a design, type, or base metal has no bearing over the legality of copying those coins.
--Severian the Lame
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<< <i>if someone uses a high end laser printer and makes a $100 bill, but doesn't release it... then is it counterfeiting?
yes. >>
Not necessarily...
If you wish to do pretty much what Dan did but with currency, you need to modify a real $100 bill, leave the denomination alone, and muck with the design. Have fun! >>
Actually that's not true... if you use currency in the same manner as Dan used the Peace Dollar, the ONLY thing you would change would be the date... so you could take a $100 bill from 1999 and scan it into your computer, change the date to 1964 and print 1,964 of them and sell them... since there are NO 1964 $100 bills, this would be legal... correct?
<< <i>So, if the other pieces were not counterfeits because they were struck over genuine Peace dollars, these copper strikes are........Not for sale. >>
That is correct - the only pieces sold were those that were stamped over genuine legal tender Peace silver dollars, with no metal add or removed and no heating or melting.
None of the strikes on other items are being sold. Final disposition of them has yet to be determined. There are a couple possibilities:
1) They will eventually be destroyed.
2) They will later be stamped "COPY" and sold (like when I retire for good).
For the time being, I'm going to just enjoy them as part of my own personal "collection".
<< <i>Hello Dan,
First CONGRATULATIONS
As I read thru your production blog I see that in fact 1964 pcs were struck but only 1610 pcs were released. That is a difference of 354 pcs. Your site says all coins are sold out. I am sure you have many coins in your private stock but my question is:
Do you have all 354 unreleased pcs or were many of them reused or destroyed? Just wondering what the final number of actual coins is?
Thanks, GrandAm
The total number of individual struck pieces that currently exist, in one form or another, is 1,964.
Anything listed as minted but not released is currently in my long-term posession.
Final disposition of those will be determined at a later date (hopefully much later).
<< <i>Dan---Are you planning to make any more fantasy coins? >>
Yes, but I'm not working ony any at this time. Maybe in a few months when I get my new engraving machine.