<< <i>I haven't reject BoBs offer, which was generous, or received any other, and I do want to help him on his quest. I just don't know what kind of value to expect on these as there's really no market. There was no market on the Thomas NNOF in 1990 and I gave one up for only $10. So I'm just being hesitant and feeling it out. I'd be surprised if any of them are worth even $25, but would kick myself in places unseen if I found out next month they were trading at $200. Especially considering the paycut I had to take ar work recently. >>
One did sell for $25 awhile back on ebay. Unsure of who the player was. It's mentioned in a NNOF thread on Beckett. I'd link it but ever since our IT tech "repaired" my work computer, I get a IE error when I go to Beckett and it closes. Everytime ! Odd.
What do you collect? A few others and myself want to add to BOB's offer. Please post your interests.
He got the ball rolling on this and I feel it's fitting he owns the cards he led the discovery on.
Does anyone have an example of the Jeff King error? Must be pretty scarce as even the Standard Catalog puts $100 on it. Rarer than Thomas NNOF?
I notice that the 1982 Blackless commons command around $12.50 and are believed to be less than 100 in number per card. Right now I'd say that $25 would be a good guess on the scrubs, say $50 on a McGriff or Fisk, and maybe a higher premium on Biggio, but Biggio has never been a collector favorite despite a stellar career.
If this topic was published - say in Beckett - and word got out maybe you would see a spike in value, but like most of the card market after the interested and motivated few have wet their appetites - prices come down quick.
**Of course the sudden appearance of any card of $10+ from the "carpet bomb saturation" era of baseball card production is truly an event.
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It may or may not have. I've sent messages back and forth with him recently, but didn't ask point blank. He was well known on the Beckett Boards for his error/variation knowledge, but I don't think it included the Mattingly until recently.
Wow. That seller has a ton of really obscure variations. I'm pretty sure I remember him from the Beckett board as well, and he was extremely generous with his knowledge about such oddball variations. I wonder how many of these are variations among different printing sheets? Aren't some cards printed on different sheets, with any small variations among those sheets resulting in the differences he's identified?
Regardless, they sure are interesting. Additionally, as a player collector, I know I have quite a few similar oddball variations in my collection.
<< <i>Wow. That seller has a ton of really obscure variations. I'm pretty sure I remember him from the Beckett board as well, and he was extremely generous with his knowledge about such oddball variations. I wonder how many of these are variations among different printing sheets? Aren't some cards printed on different sheets, with any small variations among those sheets resulting in the differences he's identified?
Regardless, they sure are interesting. Additionally, as a player collector, I know I have quite a few similar oddball variations in my collection. >>
1990 Topps Baseball was printed on 6 sheets (A, B, C, D, E, and F), from what I can tell, there were no cards double printed.
The Mattingly error is extremely common, it would appear to be found on at least 25% of the run. My only guess is that the process before the negatives for the black plates were created became slightly damaged some how. This resulted in multiple negatives with the little corner error, thus multiple plates with the error.
With the errors that are found in common with the NNOF Thomas, it would appear that only one negative/plate was damaged.
Yea, i swear!! two of them, same color border too, back has the x on it to, no letters or nothing, must be a blank that slipped in or something , ill scan the back of it, its the 1st time ive ever seen them too.
this is the back, nothing on it i just got to thinking, these came out of a 90 topps 89 debut case i bought,cause the yellow on the back is the same, i saw too many 90 topps in the past 2 days
I'll call it the black x of death,sorry b o b , i was thing it was 90 topps, but it was 90 topps 89 rookies debut. It must have been a corner card or something, i like em,wish they were a different color though
my wax case should be here tomorrow or wed, maybe itll be the blackless ones , i can hope anyways
What is the current "book value" of that card? For example, if you were to put that up for sale tom. at .01 for 7 days, approx. what kind of final price could one expect???
After going through stacks and stacks of old Beckett Magazines, this is the only specific article about the NNOF I've been able to come across...no real information here, but a look at this card from a 1994 perspective.
<< <i>A few quick questions about the blank front error cards:
Can these be faked easily? How?
Does this error exist for each 1990 Topps baseball card?
Thanks, gigfy >>
Apparently they are quite plentiful. I'm not sure about the faking part though. I wouldn't consider them errors. There seems to be no real premium for them so I don't know that faking them is a good use of time. I saw an entire set (all 792) offered on Ebay for around $75 - Buy it Now.
Always looking for 1993-1999 Baseball Finest Refractors and1994 Football Finest Refractors. saucywombat@hotmail.com
I originally posted this on beckett. This is a run down on my Topps blank front/back experience (as far as scarcity goes):
1981 fronts: never seen
1981 backs: see them periodically, but somewhat scarce.
1982 fronts: never seen
1982 backs: see them once in a while, somewhat scarce
1983 fronts: never seen
1983 backs: see them often, still tough to find
1984 fronts: can't recall seeing one
1984 backs: see them on ebay periodically, not too rare but the proofs are, you can tell the difference by looking at the inset photo, if it's inside the box, it's a proof.
1985 fronts: have seen a couple, pretty scarce
1985 backs: have only seen a few, pretty scarce (McGwire is always a fake)
1986 fronts: haven't seen any
1986 backs: show up once in a while, but pretty scarce
1987 fronts: show up often, not too scarce
1987 backs: show up periodically, somewhat tougher to locate
1988 fronts: show up often, not too scarce
1988 backs: show up periodically, somewhat tougher to locate
1989 fronts: fairly common, many found in Fairfield Target blisters and Kruk Cards sells complete sets of them. Probably the easiest to find of the 80's.
1989 backs: have only seen a few, somewhat scarce
1990 fronts: fairly common, show up often for sale in large lots or quantity of player or sets.
1990 backs: have only seen a handful over the last 19 years. The Griffey that shows up for sale is usually cut from the top of the box and not a "real" blankback.
1991 fronts: fairly common, show up often for sale in large batches or sets.
1991 backs: scarce but once or twice a year you'll see them offered - usually just commons. Another tough year for blankbacks.
1992 fronts: hardly ever offered for sale.
1992 backs: fairly common.
1993 fronts: Kruk cards has had many complete sets of these. Pretty common.
anyone have a pic of the back of #454 Jeff King's error Card where (No white on back?)
this is one card I am trying to buy / trade for and would like a good scan to start!
thanks guys
hey , big D, I think you need to get ur pops to dig this one out for me,. lol., thanks !
Buying: Topps White Out (silver) letters Alex Gordon 80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name" 90 ProSet Dexter Manley error 90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back 1958 Topps Pancho Herrera (no“a”) 81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat) 91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”
lol. I wish. Likely there's just a ton of rev neg '90 Donruss Juan Gonzalez in there. That reminds me, I'll get on that Welch.
I've never seen the King and looked around awhile back, in E/V groups, the msg boards, net etc . jacksoncoupage was asking around for a pic as well and came up empty handed. If you get a pic, lmk.
Yeah, I know...I found some King's at home, but I guess I would notice what ever the error is ...thanks for responding...
rich
Buying: Topps White Out (silver) letters Alex Gordon 80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name" 90 ProSet Dexter Manley error 90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back 1958 Topps Pancho Herrera (no“a”) 81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat) 91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”
<< <i>Yeah, I know...I found some King's at home, but I guess I would notice what ever the error is ...thanks for responding...
rich >>
This card has been a huge mystery to me. I've purchased so many copies of the Jeff King from beckett.com dealers and have yet to find anything matching this vague description. The closest I have is a copy with a few vertical yellow lines through the name and position on back.
Here is what we know:
-SCD recognizes it.
-The error is on the reverse.
-1990 Topps do NOT have any white on their backs.
Here is what I think:
A. SCD is referring to the gray area on the reverse.
B. "No white on back" means that the gray area is colored yellow which suggests that the yellow plate ran and this variation is actually a printing flaw like the Frank Thomas. Which means that there would likely be other players in the surrounding area affected by this.
OR...
C. "No white on back" means that the gray area is blacked-out which suggests that the black ink ran...etc. But this seems unlikely because if this were the case they would've likely described it as 'blacked-out" or "no name" or "no number", etc.
I examined the "discovery" card for the Jeff King "no white" variation before it was listed in the Standard Catalog.
The error is that the areas that are "white" (actually the natural gray cardboard color) at the top of a "normal" card -- the card number, the background of the biographical detail panel and the topps square, and the player name and position -- are yellow on this card. Faulty color stripping is the culprit. Based on my limited knowledge of Topps pre-printing processes of the time, my guess is that the other cards are that particular press sheet were NOT affected.
I have never seen another example of the King error card, nor any other player exhibiting the same error.
Obviously the error would be very easy to replicate with the right shade of yellow marker, so any purported example of this card would have to be closely examined under magnification to be authenticated.
<< <i>I examined the "discovery" card for the Jeff King "no white" variation before it was listed in the Standard Catalog.
The error is that the areas that are "white" (actually the natural gray cardboard color) at the top of a "normal" card -- the card number, the background of the biographical detail panel and the topps square, and the player name and position -- are yellow on this card. Faulty color stripping is the culprit. Based on my limited knowledge of Topps pre-printing processes of the time, my guess is that the other cards are that particular press sheet were NOT affected.
I have never seen another example of the King error card, nor any other player exhibiting the same error.
Obviously the error would be very easy to replicate with the right shade of yellow marker, so any purported example of this card would have to be closely examined under magnification to be authenticated. >>
Is it possible that this was a one time printing defect and not a repeated problem? Is there definitively more than one copy out there?
It is amazing that no one has seen or has the Jeff King error., lol
Buying: Topps White Out (silver) letters Alex Gordon 80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name" 90 ProSet Dexter Manley error 90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back 1958 Topps Pancho Herrera (no“a”) 81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat) 91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”
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<< <i>I haven't reject BoBs offer, which was generous, or received any other, and I do want to help him on his quest. I just don't know what kind of value to expect on these as there's really no market. There was no market on the Thomas NNOF in 1990 and I gave one up for only $10. So I'm just being hesitant and feeling it out. I'd be surprised if any of them are worth even $25, but would kick myself in places unseen if I found out next month they were trading at $200. Especially considering the paycut I had to take ar work recently. >>
One did sell for $25 awhile back on ebay. Unsure of who the player was. It's mentioned in a NNOF thread on Beckett. I'd link it but ever since our IT tech "repaired" my work computer, I get a IE error when I go to Beckett and it closes. Everytime ! Odd.
What do you collect? A few others and myself want to add to BOB's offer. Please post your interests.
He got the ball rolling on this and I feel it's fitting he owns the cards he led the discovery on.
I notice that the 1982 Blackless commons command around $12.50 and are believed to be less than 100 in number per card. Right now I'd say that $25 would be a good guess on the scrubs, say $50 on a McGriff or Fisk, and maybe a higher premium on Biggio, but Biggio has never been a collector favorite despite a stellar career.
If this topic was published - say in Beckett - and word got out maybe you would see a spike in value, but like most of the card market after the interested and motivated few have wet their appetites - prices come down quick.
**Of course the sudden appearance of any card of $10+ from the "carpet bomb saturation" era of baseball card production is truly an event.
saucywombat@hotmail.com
Slantycouch, did you make another montage with Fisk/Magrane? Did you think it stops at Tapani? It may still continue on through the Lawton?
Cheers,
gigfy
Sorry I just read you didn't have time
ON ITS WAY TO NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
Did you ever get a chance to add the other error cards to your picture?
Thanks,
gigfy
One must assume this originated from this thread.
Anyone have any luck finding more examples?
"Mattingly Error 200A + 200B"
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Regardless, they sure are interesting. Additionally, as a player collector, I know I have quite a few similar oddball variations in my collection.
<< <i>Wow. That seller has a ton of really obscure variations. I'm pretty sure I remember him from the Beckett board as well, and he was extremely generous with his knowledge about such oddball variations. I wonder how many of these are variations among different printing sheets? Aren't some cards printed on different sheets, with any small variations among those sheets resulting in the differences he's identified?
Regardless, they sure are interesting. Additionally, as a player collector, I know I have quite a few similar oddball variations in my collection. >>
1990 Topps Baseball was printed on 6 sheets (A, B, C, D, E, and F), from what I can tell, there were no cards double printed.
The Mattingly error is extremely common, it would appear to be found on at least 25% of the run. My only guess is that the process before the negatives for the black plates were created became slightly damaged some how. This resulted in multiple negatives with the little corner error, thus multiple plates with the error.
With the errors that are found in common with the NNOF Thomas, it would appear that only one negative/plate was damaged.
<< <i>wow, this thread is awesome.. im impressed! >>
Glad to see some folks migrating in to take a look. And thanks, we appreciate it.
Bunchobull, i think this is where all the black went on franks name, i pulled 2 of them today from a vending case
Did you really pull that? or am I that easy... because I AM that easy.
this is the back, nothing on it
i just got to thinking, these came out of a 90 topps 89 debut case i bought,cause the yellow on the back is the same, i saw too many 90 topps in the past 2 days
<< <i>How many of this card do you think exist? Always wanted one... >>
Which card? The black X or the NNOF Thomas?
It must have been a corner card or something, i like em,wish they were a different color though
my wax case should be here tomorrow or wed, maybe itll be the blackless ones , i can hope anyways
<< <i>I don't know what that X is about, I'm talking the NNOF Thomas... >>
I think there are around 200 NNOFs. My opinion alone.
PSA 8, around $650.
Can these be faked easily? How?
Does this error exist for each 1990 Topps baseball card?
Thanks,
gigfy
<< <i>A few quick questions about the blank front error cards:
Can these be faked easily? How?
Does this error exist for each 1990 Topps baseball card?
Thanks,
gigfy >>
Apparently they are quite plentiful. I'm not sure about the faking part though. I wouldn't consider them errors. There seems to be no real premium for them so I don't know that faking them is a good use of time. I saw an entire set (all 792) offered on Ebay for around $75 - Buy it Now.
saucywombat@hotmail.com
Jim (ArchStanton) gave me this beauty...
I also have a few 1990 Bowman Thomas' with wrong backs.
1981 fronts: never seen
1981 backs: see them periodically, but somewhat scarce.
1982 fronts: never seen
1982 backs: see them once in a while, somewhat scarce
1983 fronts: never seen
1983 backs: see them often, still tough to find
1984 fronts: can't recall seeing one
1984 backs: see them on ebay periodically, not too rare but the proofs are, you can tell the difference by looking at the inset photo, if it's inside the box, it's a proof.
1985 fronts: have seen a couple, pretty scarce
1985 backs: have only seen a few, pretty scarce (McGwire is always a fake)
1986 fronts: haven't seen any
1986 backs: show up once in a while, but pretty scarce
1987 fronts: show up often, not too scarce
1987 backs: show up periodically, somewhat tougher to locate
1988 fronts: show up often, not too scarce
1988 backs: show up periodically, somewhat tougher to locate
1989 fronts: fairly common, many found in Fairfield Target blisters and Kruk Cards sells complete sets of them. Probably the easiest to find of the 80's.
1989 backs: have only seen a few, somewhat scarce
1990 fronts: fairly common, show up often for sale in large lots or quantity of player or sets.
1990 backs: have only seen a handful over the last 19 years. The Griffey that shows up for sale is usually cut from the top of the box and not a "real" blankback.
1991 fronts: fairly common, show up often for sale in large batches or sets.
1991 backs: scarce but once or twice a year you'll see them offered - usually just commons. Another tough year for blankbacks.
1992 fronts: hardly ever offered for sale.
1992 backs: fairly common.
1993 fronts: Kruk cards has had many complete sets of these. Pretty common.
1993 backs: not scarce but not too common either.
Collecting Robin Ventura and Matt Luke.
Collecting Robin Ventura and Matt Luke.
Two (2) 1990 Topps Wax Boxes
<< <i>You made it on ebay ross
lol I figure it's probably one of the guys on here because the seller ID looks really familiar
this is one card I am trying to buy / trade for and would like a good scan to start!
thanks guys
hey , big D, I think you need to get ur pops to dig this one out for me,. lol., thanks !
Topps White Out (silver) letters Alex Gordon
80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name"
90 ProSet Dexter Manley error
90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back
1958 Topps Pancho Herrera (no“a”)
81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat)
91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”
I've never seen the King and looked around awhile back, in E/V groups, the msg boards, net etc . jacksoncoupage was asking around for a pic as well and came up empty handed. If you get a pic, lmk.
rich
Topps White Out (silver) letters Alex Gordon
80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name"
90 ProSet Dexter Manley error
90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back
1958 Topps Pancho Herrera (no“a”)
81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat)
91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”
<< <i>Yeah, I know...I found some King's at home, but I guess I would notice what ever the error is ...thanks for responding...
rich >>
This card has been a huge mystery to me. I've purchased so many copies of the Jeff King from beckett.com dealers and have yet to find anything matching this vague description. The closest I have is a copy with a few vertical yellow lines through the name and position on back.
Here is what we know:
-SCD recognizes it.
-The error is on the reverse.
-1990 Topps do NOT have any white on their backs.
Here is what I think:
A. SCD is referring to the gray area on the reverse.
B. "No white on back" means that the gray area is colored yellow which suggests that the yellow plate ran and this variation is actually a printing flaw like the Frank Thomas. Which means that there would likely be other players in the surrounding area affected by this.
OR...
C. "No white on back" means that the gray area is blacked-out which suggests that the black ink ran...etc. But this seems unlikely because if this were the case they would've likely described it as 'blacked-out" or "no name" or "no number", etc.
Collecting Robin Ventura and Matt Luke.
The error is that the areas that are "white" (actually the natural gray cardboard color) at the top of a "normal" card -- the card number, the background of the biographical detail panel and the topps square, and the player name and position -- are yellow on this card. Faulty color stripping is the culprit. Based on my limited knowledge of Topps pre-printing processes of the time, my guess is that the other cards are that particular press sheet were NOT affected.
I have never seen another example of the King error card, nor any other player exhibiting the same error.
Obviously the error would be very easy to replicate with the right shade of yellow marker, so any purported example of this card would have to be closely examined under magnification to be authenticated.
<< <i>I examined the "discovery" card for the Jeff King "no white" variation before it was listed in the Standard Catalog.
The error is that the areas that are "white" (actually the natural gray cardboard color) at the top of a "normal" card -- the card number, the background of the biographical detail panel and the topps square, and the player name and position -- are yellow on this card. Faulty color stripping is the culprit. Based on my limited knowledge of Topps pre-printing processes of the time, my guess is that the other cards are that particular press sheet were NOT affected.
I have never seen another example of the King error card, nor any other player exhibiting the same error.
Obviously the error would be very easy to replicate with the right shade of yellow marker, so any purported example of this card would have to be closely examined under magnification to be authenticated. >>
Is it possible that this was a one time printing defect and not a repeated problem? Is there definitively more than one copy out there?
Topps White Out (silver) letters Alex Gordon
80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name"
90 ProSet Dexter Manley error
90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back
1958 Topps Pancho Herrera (no“a”)
81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat)
91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”