@Euclid said:
I'm a day late but I couldn't be happier with the grading results I got back today. The first coin I cracked out of an old slab that said VF 30 and the other two coins I purchased raw.
Nice and crusty original.
I manage money. I earn money. I save money . I give away money. I collect money. I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I missed Thursday, but anyway, here is the pattern of the new obverse design of the silver Onza starting in 2000.
When the silver Onzas were redesigned in 1996, this obverse was used on the 2 and 5 ounce coins, but not the 1 ounce, probably because the designers thought such a busy design wouldn't look good on a 40mm planchet. Well, they must have had second thoughts so this pattern was created circa 1999 to see how it would look. It was implemented on the silver 1 Onza starting 2000.
At the moment, I do not know of any other examples of this coin. Interesting that it says "No numismatic value." Ha! If they only knew!
All of you fancy guys with your fancy low population museum quality conditional rarities might not appreciate her, but... bite me, I like circulated coins
Bought a pile of stuff from one of the local shops yesterday. They threw this piece on the counter and asked for my opinion. They know I like big Mexican silver, but this piece felt "off".
Came in with several period piece that were good. It's got a wholesome color. But the sound was a little off (if you know the ring silver makes), and the texture was greasy. Erratic on the Sigma. Too smooth even given the strike weakness or even adjustment/damage on the cap:
They pronounced it a fake. But It didn't seem like a modern flea market fake. So I suggested contemporary counterfeit and offered to buy it anyway if they priced it right--a nice early counterfeit every bit as interesting as a circulated 8 reale to me. To my surprise, the dealer threw it in for free.
When I got home I noticed the dark spot at 1:00 cap side and figured it might be PVC. But a closer look with my loop showed what looked like a rim, or edges, around the spot. And that appeared to be my answer: She'd been lacquered.
So a couple of hours in acetone and she seems to have been restored to her used, abused, but apparently authentic, 145-year old self. Thoughts?
We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last. --Severian the Lame
Just Curious, does the Sigma like her any better now that she's had a bath?
Either way, Free is always nice!
Great question. The erratic reading was on their Sigma, not mine. But I just burned through that pile above on my Sigma, and each piece read somewhere within the 90% pre 1900 bracket...except for that obvious contemporary counterfeit far left in the above image, and this new piece. The fake doesn't even register, I believe it's silver washed copper. But this new piece reads just outside the brackets. Interestingly, I happened to have two later Peruvian sols (1923, 1930) in this same tube, and this new piece reads identically to their 50% silver, 40% copper, 10% silver alloy.
We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last. --Severian the Lame
Here's a neat variety I've been trying to track down for a couple of years now. HJ over TH. R3 in Yonaka. I'm hoping the low grade of this coin will be enough for graders to overlook some of those obverse hits.
And this one has been cleaned, but it's in very high grade for what it is.
Trivia: In the early Twentieth Century (for example, when Pradeau wrote his booklet on Mexican patterns in 1936), this was considered a pattern. Now, I believe all numismatists consider it a medal.
That's wandering pretty far away from coins, eh? Next they will be auctioning the sand that the coins were found laying in or some other such nonsense.
Bringing this thread back to COINS, here is one of my older purchases that is still holed up at PCGS awaiting attribution correction.
This is a pattern 1829-GoMJ 8R with a reeded edge (not the normal 8R edge). Ex Gerber Collection Lot 415. Unique in this format, though I have another with a different edge that is closer to the normal 8R edge. The carbon spots on the rays are grade-limiting unfortunately, but are what the auction houses would call evidence of pedigree.
Colombia 2000 Pesos 300th Anniversary of Medellin Proof from 1975; 8.6 grams, 90% gold. To the best of my knowledge, Colombia's only square coin, along with the 1000 Pesos version (smaller size of this one).
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Latin American Collection
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Latin American Collection
Controversial grade but definitely one of a kind coin. Congrats!
8 Reales Madness Collection
All about the price you pay for it
Latin American Collection
It's only money!
One of those fantastic 1804 dollars!
Pacific Northwest Numismatic Association
I missed Thursday, but anyway, here is the pattern of the new obverse design of the silver Onza starting in 2000.
When the silver Onzas were redesigned in 1996, this obverse was used on the 2 and 5 ounce coins, but not the 1 ounce, probably because the designers thought such a busy design wouldn't look good on a 40mm planchet. Well, they must have had second thoughts so this pattern was created circa 1999 to see how it would look. It was implemented on the silver 1 Onza starting 2000.
At the moment, I do not know of any other examples of this coin. Interesting that it says "No numismatic value." Ha! If they only knew!
@pruebas I cannot understand why on Earth the put that legend. Makes 0 sense.
Interesting that it says "No numismatic value." Ha! If they only knew!
That is truly hilarious
This is the nicest one of these bronze patterns I have seen. Made in the Great Britain.
My first purchase of 2020, a well circulated, but still handsome, venezolano.
Latin American Collection
Once again @pruebas did not disappoint.
That's an outstanding pattern @pruebas
8 Reales Madness Collection
All of you fancy guys with your fancy low population museum quality conditional rarities might not appreciate her, but... bite me, I like circulated coins
Bought a pile of stuff from one of the local shops yesterday. They threw this piece on the counter and asked for my opinion. They know I like big Mexican silver, but this piece felt "off".
Came in with several period piece that were good. It's got a wholesome color. But the sound was a little off (if you know the ring silver makes), and the texture was greasy. Erratic on the Sigma. Too smooth even given the strike weakness or even adjustment/damage on the cap:
They pronounced it a fake. But It didn't seem like a modern flea market fake. So I suggested contemporary counterfeit and offered to buy it anyway if they priced it right--a nice early counterfeit every bit as interesting as a circulated 8 reale to me. To my surprise, the dealer threw it in for free.
When I got home I noticed the dark spot at 1:00 cap side and figured it might be PVC. But a closer look with my loop showed what looked like a rim, or edges, around the spot. And that appeared to be my answer: She'd been lacquered.
So a couple of hours in acetone and she seems to have been restored to her used, abused, but apparently authentic, 145-year old self. Thoughts?
--Severian the Lame
LOL
Just Curious, does the Sigma like her any better now that she's had a bath?
Either way, Free is always nice!
Charles III Album
Charles III Portrait Set
Charles IV Album
Charles IV Portrait Set
Spanish Colonial Pillar Set
Great question. The erratic reading was on their Sigma, not mine. But I just burned through that pile above on my Sigma, and each piece read somewhere within the 90% pre 1900 bracket...except for that obvious contemporary counterfeit far left in the above image, and this new piece. The fake doesn't even register, I believe it's silver washed copper. But this new piece reads just outside the brackets. Interestingly, I happened to have two later Peruvian sols (1923, 1930) in this same tube, and this new piece reads identically to their 50% silver, 40% copper, 10% silver alloy.
--Severian the Lame
One of my Newps this week.
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
Another new 8.
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
Nice additions @BustDMs
Here's a neat variety I've been trying to track down for a couple of years now. HJ over TH. R3 in Yonaka. I'm hoping the low grade of this coin will be enough for graders to overlook some of those obverse hits.
8 Reales Madness Collection
Another 8, photos bookending the others, a 4 and a 2.
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
Latin American Collection
Got this recently:
This one in hand and the 'Caballito' above, way nice (and yes both graded)
And this one too:
Naked and dirty Thursday. The silver makes you shiver, the gold makes you cold.
--Severian the Lame
I really like this one...
@Abuelo what's not to like?
8 Reales Madness Collection
What I paid for it?
Five years from now, you will have forgotten that. But the nice coin will remain! 🥳
These recently back from our host at MS65PL. (They are holding all the others hostage!)
And this one has been cleaned, but it's in very high grade for what it is.
Trivia: In the early Twentieth Century (for example, when Pradeau wrote his booklet on Mexican patterns in 1936), this was considered a pattern. Now, I believe all numismatists consider it a medal.
What are you doing with that 1884 65 pl ?
You don’t collect that stuff
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I have been buying PL coins for many years. Sold off maybe half of them last year. I kept my "PL type set."
Most are in NGC holders, so I can't show them off.
@pruebas yes it is considered a medal nowadays. Gral Victoria was quite scary looking, so the engraver did a good job 😂
^ no one nowadays know his real name: José Miguel Ramón Adaucto Fernández Félix
My first Lima 4 reales, RAW. I now have two. They’re very difficult to find, this is the easiest date to locate…over thirty known.
I'm BACK!!! Used to be Billet7 on the old forum.
@pruebas thanks for sharing some of your beauties with us. Wonderful coins (and medals).
@SimonW - great pillar 4R
Here's one of my favorites. Only able to capture it accurately with video
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CaGxmuyFEf4/?utm_medium=copy_link
8 Reales Madness Collection
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
That's wandering pretty far away from coins, eh? Next they will be auctioning the sand that the coins were found laying in or some other such nonsense.
34.2 grams for that clump sounds impossibly light, doesn't it?
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Yea it does, maybe that's why I can't see the coin anywhere!
Bringing this thread back to COINS, here is one of my older purchases that is still holed up at PCGS awaiting attribution correction.
This is a pattern 1829-GoMJ 8R with a reeded edge (not the normal 8R edge). Ex Gerber Collection Lot 415. Unique in this format, though I have another with a different edge that is closer to the normal 8R edge. The carbon spots on the rays are grade-limiting unfortunately, but are what the auction houses would call evidence of pedigree.
Shiny
8 Reales Madness Collection
@TwoKopeiki very flashy for a 53. Very nice coin!
You are going to have to license the Musical Coins In Motion to the "other" auction company.
Danish West Indies:
Well, just Love coins, period.
That's the stuff dreams are made of! Seriously nice!!!
I'm BACK!!! Used to be Billet7 on the old forum.
Colombia 2000 Pesos 300th Anniversary of Medellin Proof from 1975; 8.6 grams, 90% gold. To the best of my knowledge, Colombia's only square coin, along with the 1000 Pesos version (smaller size of this one).