Dominican Republic 1897-A Half Peso. PCGS AU58. Minted in Philadelphia from dies prepared in Paris (thus the A mint mark and surrounding privy marks). I bought this in a true auction on eBay a few weeks back for $127 (Krause in Unc is $600). Seller's pics were kinda dark, but I noticed that there was a TrueView available and it didn't look that bad:
Thanks @TwoKopeiki Apparently on February 5th was the anniversary of the 1857 Mexican Constitution. So, to celebrate such an event, here are some numismatic celebratory items... All 66 except the 5 pesos, 67.
This is a trial strike of a 1842MoMM 8 Escudo struck on a copper medal. It is supposedly a plate photo in Grove (Volume 2), but as my books are still in boxes, I have been unable to verify.
@carabonnair said:
I probably haven't taken these out since the 1991 Chicago ANA exhibit. Peru zinc centavos 1950-1963 also with the 60/50 overdate and 1965.
Very cool collection! These must be very hard to collect in good shape as uncoated zinc is highly reactive. I never understood why they made them this way. I assume a centavo was almost worthless even back then.
@pruebas said:
This is a trial strike of a 1842MoMM 8 Escudo struck on a copper medal. It is supposedly a plate photo in Grove (Volume 2), but as my books are still in boxes, I have been unable to verify.
Whenever I see something like this, my first thought is that it may be a trial for a contemporary counterfeit. Have you tried to match the dies to a real coin?
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
@pruebas said:
This is a trial strike of a 1842MoMM 8 Escudo struck on a copper medal. It is supposedly a plate photo in Grove (Volume 2), but as my books are still in boxes, I have been unable to verify.
Whenever I see something like this, my first thought is that it may be a trial for a contemporary counterfeit. Have you tried to match the dies to a real coin?
True. I would have hoped PCGS did that.... I don’t have an appropriate 8E to check against.
Anyone able to upload a photo of the Grove catalog entry to see what he says? (My humble thanks in advance.)
The next medal B-131 has the same obverse, but a different reverse with the legend inside the same sawtooth circle reading "2a CALLE DE PLATEROS No 9
GRABADOR
DEL SUPmo
GOBIERNO MEXICO "
That one comes in 25mm brass and 31.5mm bronze (trial strike)
What I am trying to determine is whether the original medal (in its proper format, not a trial strike with a missing side) was dated near 1842. Knowing that should help determine how this trial piece was made and for what purpose (I thought Grove might surmise that, but he didn’t).
For example, if the medal was from the 1860s, then clearly the 8E dies was just lying around the mint and the trial was not meant to test the 8E die.
Am I the only one who thinks the die was cracked / shattered, pointing to a decommissioned mint die as a more likely scenario? Would be neat to compare die elements and alignment to an 1842 8 Escudos to confirm the match.
@Weiss said:
Q: Name a troy ounce delineated silver bullion coin from a Latin-American country which debuted in 1982.
Is it by chance....
Not much bigger'n a quarter, but about 3x as thick. Only made 100,000 of 'em.
It is!
Or more specifically:
Composition: Silver
Fineness: 0.9250
Weight: 16.8100g
Thickness: 3.2 mm
ASW: 0.499919623193531oz
Melt Value: $7.83 (2/14/2019)
Diameter: 28mm
Shape Round
Orientation Medal alignment ↑↑
Demonetized yes
References KM# 286
DESIGN
Obverse: National arms
Reverse: Head left
Edge Description: Reeded
NOTES
Subject: Battle of La Brena and General Caceres
Note: Mint mark in monogram.
Country Peru
Type Non circulating coin
Year 1982
Value 10000 Soles de Oro (10000 PEH)
We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last. --Severian the Lame
Surprisingly hard to find in Gem: Guatemala 1943 25 Centavos. Minted in Philadelphia. PCGS MS65 (3/0). I've always liked the stylized quetzals (the birds with the long tail feathers, not the currency of the same name) on Guatemalan coins and notes.
@cecropiamoth said:
Here is a 1943 (P) Guatemala 10c in PCGS MS67. The 1943 10c along with the 5c are much easier/available type coins as you know compared to the 25c.
Love the color on your 10c, Jeff. There must have been a roll or two of the 5c and 10c saved at the time... the 25c seems to have been mostly used up in commerce, and while the 1c and 2c have "nice" examples vis-à-vis condition, their brass composition have made most of them unattractive.
@cecropiamoth said:
Here is a 1943 (P) Guatemala 10c in PCGS MS67. The 1943 10c along with the 5c are much easier/available type coins as you know compared to the 25c.
Love the color on your 10c, Jeff. There must have been a roll or two of the 5c and 10c saved at the time... the 25c seems to have been mostly used up in commerce, and while the 1c and 2c have "nice" examples vis-à-vis condition, their brass composition have made most of them unattractive.
Agree, Michael. That one eBay seller has had a number of the high grade 66/67 5c and 10c. There had to have been a number of them (perhaps rolls as you mention) saved off early on. The 25c has to be tough to find as I haven't come across a high grade PCGS or NGC example. It was always a very common coin in the local foreign silver bin, usually in very heavily worn condition. Yours is a very nice example and I find that coin to be quite the interesting type.
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That's a fantastic Real @Abuelo I don't think i've seen an 1822 1R of this quality before.
Here's a recent addition of mine. Thanks to @OriginalDan for parting with it.
https://caimages.collectors.com/coinimages/8867/27349736/27349736_large.jpg
It's joining this frosty P63 in the set:
8 Reales Madness Collection
Dutch East India Company countermark for circulation on the island of Java.
Dominican Republic 1897-A Half Peso. PCGS AU58. Minted in Philadelphia from dies prepared in Paris (thus the A mint mark and surrounding privy marks). I bought this in a true auction on eBay a few weeks back for $127 (Krause in Unc is $600). Seller's pics were kinda dark, but I noticed that there was a TrueView available and it didn't look that bad:
Thanks @TwoKopeiki Apparently on February 5th was the anniversary of the 1857 Mexican Constitution. So, to celebrate such an event, here are some numismatic celebratory items... All 66 except the 5 pesos, 67.
One peso:
5 pesos:
I do not have the 10 pesos silver (not yet!).
Gold 10 pesos:
And lastly, gold 50 pesos:
This is a trial strike of a 1842MoMM 8 Escudo struck on a copper medal. It is supposedly a plate photo in Grove (Volume 2), but as my books are still in boxes, I have been unable to verify.
Well @pruebas have you read the inscription? These people were in the tombstone business...
Magnificent as always.
I probably haven't taken these out since the 1991 Chicago ANA exhibit. Peru zinc centavos 1950-1963 also with the 60/50 overdate and 1965.
Pacific Northwest Numismatic Association
@pruebas your collection never seizes to amaze.
8 Reales Madness Collection
Cool @Abuelo ! I never thought about it. I just saw sellos and tarjetas.
I wish they were still in business. I’ve been looking for an engraver to make steel-engraved business cards!
Here is my latest addition:
Very cool collection! These must be very hard to collect in good shape as uncoated zinc is highly reactive. I never understood why they made them this way. I assume a centavo was almost worthless even back then.
Whenever I see something like this, my first thought is that it may be a trial for a contemporary counterfeit. Have you tried to match the dies to a real coin?
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
True. I would have hoped PCGS did that....
I don’t have an appropriate 8E to check against.
Anyone able to upload a photo of the Grove catalog entry to see what he says? (My humble thanks in advance.)
8 Reales Madness Collection
Thanks @TwoKopeiki. Is there a “regular issue” of this medal. What is it dated?
The next medal B-131 has the same obverse, but a different reverse with the legend inside the same sawtooth circle reading "2a CALLE DE PLATEROS No 9
GRABADOR
DEL SUPmo
GOBIERNO
MEXICO "
That one comes in 25mm brass and 31.5mm bronze (trial strike)
Not dated
8 Reales Madness Collection
8 Reales Madness Collection
Apparently the tombstones were profitable...
What I am trying to determine is whether the original medal (in its proper format, not a trial strike with a missing side) was dated near 1842. Knowing that should help determine how this trial piece was made and for what purpose (I thought Grove might surmise that, but he didn’t).
For example, if the medal was from the 1860s, then clearly the 8E dies was just lying around the mint and the trial was not meant to test the 8E die.
@pruebas Francois Duboille was a Frenchman who died in 1856 https://gw.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=en&p=francois+henri&n=duboille that arrived to Mexico and ran that business https://books.google.com/books?id=QntICgAAQBAJ&pg=PT96&lpg=PT96&dq=Duboille+grabador&source=bl&ots=eExT3-aNkP&sig=ACfU3U2NmsFKx0luVG7tYDusGjT2rdYd2A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwizwv-S-a7gAhXKmOAKHXduAtIQ6AEwDXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Duboille grabador&f=false so had to be before his dead i assume.
@pruebas that should help to answer. As I always say, if you are not in Google, you do not exist
Am I the only one who thinks the die was cracked / shattered, pointing to a decommissioned mint die as a more likely scenario? Would be neat to compare die elements and alignment to an 1842 8 Escudos to confirm the match.
8 Reales Madness Collection
@TwoKopeiki we will never know. According to Richard Long there is only one 8 escudos 1842 Mo MM. And 2 or 3 of the ML. It is a very rare coin.
Q: Name a troy ounce delineated silver bullion coin from a Latin-American country which debuted in 1982.
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A: Not so fast...
--Severian the Lame
Don’t think I’ve posted this before.
Matching pair from a local shop this week:
--Severian the Lame
Is it by chance....
8 Reales Madness Collection
It is!
Or more specifically:
Composition: Silver
Fineness: 0.9250
Weight: 16.8100g
Thickness: 3.2 mm
ASW: 0.499919623193531oz
Melt Value: $7.83 (2/14/2019)
Diameter: 28mm
Shape Round
Orientation Medal alignment ↑↑
Demonetized yes
References KM# 286
DESIGN
Obverse: National arms
Reverse: Head left
Edge Description: Reeded
NOTES
Subject: Battle of La Brena and General Caceres
Note: Mint mark in monogram.
Country Peru
Type Non circulating coin
Year 1982
Value 10000 Soles de Oro (10000 PEH)
--Severian the Lame
Surprisingly hard to find in Gem: Guatemala 1943 25 Centavos. Minted in Philadelphia. PCGS MS65 (3/0). I've always liked the stylized quetzals (the birds with the long tail feathers, not the currency of the same name) on Guatemalan coins and notes.
Nice one Michael @mvs7 !!!
Here is a 1943 (P) Guatemala 10c in PCGS MS67. The 1943 10c along with the 5c are much easier/available type coins as you know compared to the 25c.
Jeff
Latin American Collection
A familiar coin - glad it went to a great collection!
8 Reales Madness Collection
Yep, thanks to @OriginalDan
I love the look of the C4 in 64 you recently picked up too
Latin American Collection
Thanks Brian. Still waiting for the postal system to get it to me in Canada, but really looking forward to receiving it.
8 Reales Madness Collection
Love the color on your 10c, Jeff. There must have been a roll or two of the 5c and 10c saved at the time... the 25c seems to have been mostly used up in commerce, and while the 1c and 2c have "nice" examples vis-à-vis condition, their brass composition have made most of them unattractive.
Agree, Michael. That one eBay seller has had a number of the high grade 66/67 5c and 10c. There had to have been a number of them (perhaps rolls as you mention) saved off early on. The 25c has to be tough to find as I haven't come across a high grade PCGS or NGC example. It was always a very common coin in the local foreign silver bin, usually in very heavily worn condition. Yours is a very nice example and I find that coin to be quite the interesting type.
Jeff
I might have posted these in another thread a couple of years ago. Kind of rediscovered them just now and broke them out of their foggy old 2x2s.
Zacatecan brass. Overdate or crab. Take your pick:
--Severian the Lame
I've had this one for over five years but just got around to photographing it.
A few quick reimages
8 Reales Madness Collection
8 Reales Madness Collection
The TV in the 1811 is very nice @TwoKopeiki
Since we were doing the silver Guatemalan pieces last week, thought I'd switch it up a bit...
Latin American Collection
Love the sunfaces, Brian... really nice example! Looking forward to seeing a gold one.