I bought this coin about 8 years ago. It was struck for use in the British Colonies but is generally classified as British West Indies, so I consider it North American. They never got beyond the pattern stage.
@pruebas said:
I bought this coin about 8 years ago. It was struck for use in the British Colonies but is generally classified as British West Indies, so I consider it North American. They never got beyond the pattern stage.
Designed by the famous William Wyon.
Very cool
Yorkshireman,Obsessed collector of round, metallic pieces of history.Hunting for Latin American colonial portraits plus cool US & British coins.
@Boosibri Brian, being only casually familiar with Columbian Cundinamarcas, what makes that coin special?
These coins usually come with significant planchet flaws, are poorly stuck, environmental damage, etc etc. I consider the eye appeal of my N50 to be exceptional for the issue.
Here is are two 62's which are essentially finest known which sold for $16k & $11k respectively. I compare my N50 favorably to both pieces aesthetically:
I just realized a set of these BWI patterns were in the Doug Robins collection.
For more background on this issue, here is what the cataloguer said:
In the early 1820s the British government began the production of coins representing fractions of the Spanish-American dollar. Silver fractional coins of 1/16 to 1/2 dollar were struck in 1820-22 for Mauritius and the West Indies. In 1823 dies were engraved by William Wyon for copper 1/100 and 1/50 dollar coins for Sierra Leone and other British colonies using the Spanish-American dollar and its fractions. A small number of specimens and a larger quantity of business strikes were produced. However, the business strikes were never issued and went into the melting pot in 1825 because the people of Sierra Leone showed little interest in them and British policy had moved in favor of encouraging the use of British Imperial coin in the colonies. The 1823 British Colonies patterns were included in Mr. Robins' collection because early catalogers, especially Breton, included them in their Canadian titles.
@Boosibri Brian, being only casually familiar with Columbian Cundinamarcas, what makes that coin special?
These coins usually come with significant planchet flaws, are poorly stuck, environmental damage, etc etc. I consider the eye appeal of my N50 to be exceptional for the issue.
Here is are two 62's which are essentially finest known which sold for $16k & $11k respectively. I compare my N50 favorably to both pieces aesthetically:
@Boosibri do you own either/both of those? They are fabulous!!!
@Boosibri Brian, being only casually familiar with Columbian Cundinamarcas, what makes that coin special?
These coins usually come with significant planchet flaws, are poorly stuck, environmental damage, etc etc. I consider the eye appeal of my N50 to be exceptional for the issue.
Here is are two 62's which are essentially finest known which sold for $16k & $11k respectively. I compare my N50 favorably to both pieces aesthetically:
@Boosibri do you own either/both of those? They are fabulous!!!
I do not but saw them in hand. I only own the N50 from a few posts up.
@Boosibri Brian, being only casually familiar with Columbian Cundinamarcas, what makes that coin special?
These coins usually come with significant planchet flaws, are poorly stuck, environmental damage, etc etc. I consider the eye appeal of my N50 to be exceptional for the issue.
Here is are two 62's which are essentially finest known which sold for $16k & $11k respectively. I compare my N50 favorably to both pieces aesthetically:
Thanks Brian - appreciate you sharing your thinking on these. I remember seeing the Millenia example and not being too impressed by it, although i don't think it had any field / planchet defects. I think it was a 61 or 62.
@Boosibri Brian, being only casually familiar with Columbian Cundinamarcas, what makes that coin special?
These coins usually come with significant planchet flaws, are poorly stuck, environmental damage, etc etc. I consider the eye appeal of my N50 to be exceptional for the issue.
Here is are two 62's which are essentially finest known which sold for $16k & $11k respectively. I compare my N50 favorably to both pieces aesthetically:
@Boosibri do you own either/both of those? They are fabulous!!!
I do not but saw them in hand. I only own the N50 from a few posts up.
I just realized I haven't added any of my NEWPs to this thread since last February and the 1802/1 I picked-up from Andy at the 2018 NYINC. Adding for posterity. Apologies to all who already saw these in the previous thread.
@Boosibri Brian, being only casually familiar with Columbian Cundinamarcas, what makes that coin special?
These coins usually come with significant planchet flaws, are poorly stuck, environmental damage, etc etc. I consider the eye appeal of my N50 to be exceptional for the issue.
Here is are two 62's which are essentially finest known which sold for $16k & $11k respectively. I compare my N50 favorably to both pieces aesthetically:
@Boosibri do you own either/both of those? They are fabulous!!!
I do not but saw them in hand. I only own the N50 from a few posts up.
There must have been a hoard or significant mintage of the 1805-Mo's as most of the really attractive 64's I have seen have been this date/issue. Here is mine:
@Boosibri Beautiful example. There's another P64 in Atlas' inventory, as well. Haven't heard anything about a hoard, but it is one of the most common dates in the Mexico portrait series second to only Ferdinand VII's 1809-TH.
The order is something like: 1754 pillar (hoard coin), 1821 Zacatecas (produced in multiple years), 1809-TH, 1805-TH, 1808-TH Charles IIII, 1810-HJ, 1807-TH, 1806-TH (although not as many MS examples)
@TwoKopeiki said:
I just realized I haven't added any of my NEWPs to this thread since last February and the 1802/1 I picked-up from Andy at the 2018 NYINC. Adding for posterity. Apologies to all who already saw these in the previous thread.
Love the 1789.
Wish I still had it.
Yorkshireman,Obsessed collector of round, metallic pieces of history.Hunting for Latin American colonial portraits plus cool US & British coins.
Lee, it's a beauty. I was going to get out of Carlos III portraits until that coin. Now I have 2 out of 3 transitional busts and will look to finish the set with a similarly original 1790 Carolus IV
@TwoKopeiki that is a very eye-appealing group. Have you completed the series and are upgrading? Or are there coins you are still missing?
Thank you. Over the last year I've taken a good hard look at my set (I was missing only a handful of coins at that time from the 1791-1821 run) and realized that somewhere along the way I got too focused on the registry and, as a result, added a lot of coins over the years that I was not 100% happy with just to fill the holes. As a result, I sold close to 30 coins from my primary collection and used the money to add the coins you see above. That also put me way behind in terms of set completion, but for the first time in a long time - i'm completely fine with it.
Lee, it's a beauty. I was going to get out of Carlos III portraits until that coin. Now I have 2 out of 3 transitional busts and will look to finish the set with a similarly original 1790 Carolus IV
@TwoKopeiki that is a very eye-appealing group. Have you completed the series and are upgrading? Or are there coins you are still missing?
Thank you. Over the last year I've taken a good hard look at my set (I was missing only a handful of coins at that time from the 1791-1821 run) and realized that somewhere along the way I got too focused on the registry and, as a result, added a lot of coins over the years that I was not 100% happy with just to fill the holes. As a result, I sold close to 30 coins from my primary collection and used the money to add the coins you see above. That also put me way behind in terms of set completion, but for the first time in a long time - i'm completely fine with it.
Lee, it's a beauty. I was going to get out of Carlos III portraits until that coin. Now I have 2 out of 3 transitional busts and will look to finish the set with a similarly original 1790 Carolus IV
@TwoKopeiki that is a very eye-appealing group. Have you completed the series and are upgrading? Or are there coins you are still missing?
Thank you. Over the last year I've taken a good hard look at my set (I was missing only a handful of coins at that time from the 1791-1821 run) and realized that somewhere along the way I got too focused on the registry and, as a result, added a lot of coins over the years that I was not 100% happy with just to fill the holes. As a result, I sold close to 30 coins from my primary collection and used the money to add the coins you see above. That also put me way behind in terms of set completion, but for the first time in a long time - i'm completely fine with it.
You are awakened from a drunken stupor by the sounds of yelling and gunshots. You fumble in the dark, trying to remember where you are. The warm, spice-scented air wafts through the window and on it, night sounds of crickets and cicadas, intermingled with sounds of commotion, panic, and thunder in the distance. You reach for a match and, in the flickering light, see the pile of cash you won on the night stand.
Piecing together the events of the last 3 days, you realize:
"Nogales. I'm in Nogales".
But is it Nogales, Sonora or Nogales, Arizona? And then you hear double-timed bootsteps in the hall, and a pounding on the door in time with the pounding in your head...
We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last. --Severian the Lame
As I watch the slow boat shipping from Dallas, TX, I gotta make due with another cheap thrill from one of the local shops:
Topical for current events and a possible 10,000,000 % inflation for 2019:
1929 5 Bolivares Y#24.2 (low 9?)
I can't pass up cheap ~100 year old central- and South-American silver crowns.
This one struck me, no pun intended, by the chop at 12:00. It's relatively deep, crisp and seemingly purpose-placed. And as you can see it's got a 3-dimensionality where the arms of the stars come to an incuse point in the center of the punch.
Thoughts? Could it have really traveled overseas? Maybe a local version of a chopmark? Just plain old post mint damage? Or was there a revaluation that this might have designated?
We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last. --Severian the Lame
I picked this up in the Stack's Bowers NYINC auction. PCGS MS65 (1/1) and from the Eldorado Collection of Colombian Coins. 1902 was the first year Colombian coins were minted by the US at Philadelphia. The only one better is a beautiful, fully-struck and toned MS66 owned by Jeff @cecropiamoth in his type set, so this is a nice upgrade from my previous AU example. I really love the pastel colors, even with the weaker strike at the edges.
There were a few random Colombian coins in this small multi-coin lot, so as a bonus I also received this 1886 Colombian 5c, PCGS MS64 (2/0), minted at the Waterbury Mint in Waterbury, CT, one of the U.S. private mints that contracted to produce foreign coins in the 19th century. I like the color on the reverse of this one, too:
Now that we are with the Emperor, I hope I have not published this one before (If I have done it, sorry). Ex Lissner, MS63 Top Pop (could be on that thread), one real:
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Nice one, @Weiss
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Happy Thursday everyone! 1838 Arequipa 2 reales, Republic of South Peru. PCGS has only one graded higher at 53.
Latin American Collection
Bought this in Baltimore in an NGC holder. Crossed it over.
I bought this coin about 8 years ago. It was struck for use in the British Colonies but is generally classified as British West Indies, so I consider it North American. They never got beyond the pattern stage.
Designed by the famous William Wyon.
Very cool
Nice additions, everyone.
@Boosibri Brian, being only casually familiar with Columbian Cundinamarcas, what makes that coin special?
8 Reales Madness Collection
These coins usually come with significant planchet flaws, are poorly stuck, environmental damage, etc etc. I consider the eye appeal of my N50 to be exceptional for the issue.
Here is are two 62's which are essentially finest known which sold for $16k & $11k respectively. I compare my N50 favorably to both pieces aesthetically:
Latin American Collection
This thread continues to deliver!
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I just realized a set of these BWI patterns were in the Doug Robins collection.
For more background on this issue, here is what the cataloguer said:
In the early 1820s the British government began the production of coins representing fractions of the Spanish-American dollar. Silver fractional coins of 1/16 to 1/2 dollar were struck in 1820-22 for Mauritius and the West Indies. In 1823 dies were engraved by William Wyon for copper 1/100 and 1/50 dollar coins for Sierra Leone and other British colonies using the Spanish-American dollar and its fractions. A small number of specimens and a larger quantity of business strikes were produced. However, the business strikes were never issued and went into the melting pot in 1825 because the people of Sierra Leone showed little interest in them and British policy had moved in favor of encouraging the use of British Imperial coin in the colonies. The 1823 British Colonies patterns were included in Mr. Robins' collection because early catalogers, especially Breton, included them in their Canadian titles.
@Boosibri do you own either/both of those? They are fabulous!!!
I do not but saw them in hand. I only own the N50 from a few posts up.
Latin American Collection
Thanks Brian - appreciate you sharing your thinking on these. I remember seeing the Millenia example and not being too impressed by it, although i don't think it had any field / planchet defects. I think it was a 61 or 62.
8 Reales Madness Collection
You gotta get one for your collection!
I just realized I haven't added any of my NEWPs to this thread since last February and the 1802/1 I picked-up from Andy at the 2018 NYINC. Adding for posterity. Apologies to all who already saw these in the previous thread.
8 Reales Madness Collection
I own these two:
Latin American Collection
@TwoKopeiki
There must have been a hoard or significant mintage of the 1805-Mo's as most of the really attractive 64's I have seen have been this date/issue. Here is mine:
Latin American Collection
@Boosibri Beautiful example. There's another P64 in Atlas' inventory, as well. Haven't heard anything about a hoard, but it is one of the most common dates in the Mexico portrait series second to only Ferdinand VII's 1809-TH.
The order is something like: 1754 pillar (hoard coin), 1821 Zacatecas (produced in multiple years), 1809-TH, 1805-TH, 1808-TH Charles IIII, 1810-HJ, 1807-TH, 1806-TH (although not as many MS examples)
8 Reales Madness Collection
Nice @TwoKopeiki
Nice @Boosibri
Love the 1789.
Wish I still had it.
@TwoKopeiki - great coins. Always tough from pics but that 1794 in 63+ you just got is outstanding!
My current "Box of 20"
@TwoKopeiki that is a very eye-appealing group. Have you completed the series and are upgrading? Or are there coins you are still missing?
Lee, it's a beauty. I was going to get out of Carlos III portraits until that coin. Now I have 2 out of 3 transitional busts and will look to finish the set with a similarly original 1790 Carolus IV
Here's my other transitional. Also AU53:
Thank you. Over the last year I've taken a good hard look at my set (I was missing only a handful of coins at that time from the 1791-1821 run) and realized that somewhere along the way I got too focused on the registry and, as a result, added a lot of coins over the years that I was not 100% happy with just to fill the holes. As a result, I sold close to 30 coins from my primary collection and used the money to add the coins you see above. That also put me way behind in terms of set completion, but for the first time in a long time - i'm completely fine with it.
8 Reales Madness Collection
Need an upgrade?
Latin American Collection
Always, if the price is right
8 Reales Madness Collection
It's 2:00 am, August 28, 1918.
You are awakened from a drunken stupor by the sounds of yelling and gunshots. You fumble in the dark, trying to remember where you are. The warm, spice-scented air wafts through the window and on it, night sounds of crickets and cicadas, intermingled with sounds of commotion, panic, and thunder in the distance. You reach for a match and, in the flickering light, see the pile of cash you won on the night stand.
Piecing together the events of the last 3 days, you realize:
"Nogales. I'm in Nogales".
But is it Nogales, Sonora or Nogales, Arizona? And then you hear double-timed bootsteps in the hall, and a pounding on the door in time with the pounding in your head...
--Severian the Lame
@Weiss - love the backstory
Pesos and Reales are nice, too!
8 Reales Madness Collection
@Weiss I think he is in Nogales, AZ!
Crap, @Abuelo . Maybe it was me who had that whole bottle of mezcal!
--Severian the Lame
Will you stake a fellow American to a meal?
The Mysterious Egyptian Magic Coin
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As I watch the slow boat shipping from Dallas, TX, I gotta make due with another cheap thrill from one of the local shops:
Topical for current events and a possible 10,000,000 % inflation for 2019:
1929 5 Bolivares Y#24.2 (low 9?)
I can't pass up cheap ~100 year old central- and South-American silver crowns.
This one struck me, no pun intended, by the chop at 12:00. It's relatively deep, crisp and seemingly purpose-placed. And as you can see it's got a 3-dimensionality where the arms of the stars come to an incuse point in the center of the punch.
Thoughts? Could it have really traveled overseas? Maybe a local version of a chopmark? Just plain old post mint damage? Or was there a revaluation that this might have designated?
--Severian the Lame
I picked this up in the Stack's Bowers NYINC auction. PCGS MS65 (1/1) and from the Eldorado Collection of Colombian Coins. 1902 was the first year Colombian coins were minted by the US at Philadelphia. The only one better is a beautiful, fully-struck and toned MS66 owned by Jeff @cecropiamoth in his type set, so this is a nice upgrade from my previous AU example. I really love the pastel colors, even with the weaker strike at the edges.
There were a few random Colombian coins in this small multi-coin lot, so as a bonus I also received this 1886 Colombian 5c, PCGS MS64 (2/0), minted at the Waterbury Mint in Waterbury, CT, one of the U.S. private mints that contracted to produce foreign coins in the 19th century. I like the color on the reverse of this one, too:
1st year of portrait coinage from Lima.
Currently my only Iturbide (though that’s about to change). Ex. Millennia Collection.
@pruebas so you did it...
🤔
@pruebas I was bidding for that coin... now I know where it ended up.
Are you sure? I had the only bid on it, IIRC.
@pruebas Is it the 64?
@pruebas I think I confused it with the Norweb that Heritage sold in 2016...
Yes, it is not the Norweb/Rudman coin. That was a different type.
Same type, KM309 with 8R value under the eagle.
The Norweb was a KM-308, or so the holder said. I’m no expert on these though.
@pruebas Both are 309.
Yes, upon further study, I see you’re correct. The Norweb coin was misattributed by NGC and HA as KM-308.
I believe they both came from the same source. That owner sold the Norweb coin to Rudman and my coin to the Millennia collector.
Yes, the 308 has the 8R at 10 o'clock and is substantially rarer.
Lovely Iturbide, I need one for my collection
Latin American Collection
Now that we are with the Emperor, I hope I have not published this one before (If I have done it, sorry). Ex Lissner, MS63 Top Pop (could be on that thread), one real: