Here's a photo of the original model, plus the notation on the back. This was delivered to President Roosevelt in December 1906. Photos of coins/models can be misleading, so the two might not be an exact match. I think the Mint will have one of the models at the ANA. (Photo courtesy Saint-Gaudens National Historic Site, Cornish, NH. National Park Service.)
PS: Saint-Gaudens' original model was approx 12-inches in diameter. Reducing it to just over an inch and maintaining detail is difficult to do.
It looks like an awesome chunk of gold. I hope that they decide to price it reasonably, instead of the way that they are pricing Plats these days...................
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<< <i>Here's a photo of the original model, plus the notation on the back. This was delivered to President Roosevelt in December 1906. Photos of coins/models can be misleading, so the two might not be an exact match. I think the Mint will have one of the models at the ANA. (Photo courtesy Saint-Gaudens National Historic Site, Cornish, NH. National Park Service.)
PS: Saint-Gaudens' original model was approx 12-inches in diameter. Reducing it to just over an inch and maintaining detail is difficult to do. >>
Nice piece of history, RWB.
Guess you'll be hanging out in the Mint's ANA booth from time to time........
<< <i>I'm anxious to see what the coins look like up close.
Hopefully, we can really start to tap into the very best American sculptors/artists for new ideas. >>
Agree. I think we can come up with fresh coinage art rather than recycle old coin designs.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
UNITED STATES MINT PROVIDES GOLDEN MOMENT FOR VISITORS AT WORLD’S FAIR OF MONEY® IN BALTIMORE
DIRECTOR OPENS EXHIBIT OF GENUINE GOLD BARS AND THE MOST BEAUTIFUL COIN EVER CREATED
BALTIMORE - The United States Mint chose the Nation's largest coin show in Baltimore this summer to provide a "golden moment" for visitors by unveiling the much-anticipated 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle Gold Coin, a modern version of what many call the most beautiful gold coin ever created: the 1907 Double Eagle. The exhibit at the United States Mint booth displays the development of this modern masterpiece, from its origin as gold bars through test strikes, to the finished, one-ounce 24-karat (.9999 pure) 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle Gold Coin.
Six bars of refined gold stored at the United States Mint at West Point are featured as part of the exhibit as samples of gold used in making the coins. Each gold bar contains 400 ounces of gold and weighs 27.5 pounds.
United States Mint Director Ed Moy participated in the opening ceremony of the American Numismatic Association's World's Fair of Money® and then officially opened the United States Mint exhibit.
"Like most coin collectors, I love the Augustus Saint-Gaudens 1907 Double Eagle. It is everything that makes a coin produced in the United States great: truly American, capturing our national spirit, and a stunning work of art," Moy told the crowd. "The United States Mint is proud to render Saint-Gaudens' vision in a way that honors our past and raises the bar for the future. One hundred years from now, I believe the 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle Gold Coin will be remembered as the birth of the greatest American century in coin-making history."
Aided by advancements in 21st century technology, the United States Mint can now produce, in quantity, the ultra high relief coin envisioned, but never fully realized, by renowned sculptor Augustus Saint-Gaudens in 1907. The new collectible coin will be about 50 percent thicker than other United States Mint one-ounce gold coins to achieve the greater depth and relief to which Saint-Gaudens aspired. Visitors to the exhibit can touch and feel the ultra high relief on plasters of the coin.
Then, original Saint-Gaudens coin plasters were digitally mapped by the United States Mint. Through the digital design and die-making process, the Saint-Gaudens sculpture - in ultra high relief - was updated to reflect the year 2009, with an additional four stars to represent the current 50 states, and the inscription "In God We Trust," which was not on the 1907 version.
Additionally, a small border was added for a more consistent edge. The 2009 coin will be made of 24-karat gold, rather than the original's 22-karat grade. Pure 24-karat gold is more malleable than 22-karat, making it better material for striking the ultra high relief.
The 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle Gold Coin exhibit will remain throughout the week at the United States Mint booth on the bourse floor at the World's Fair of Money. The 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle Gold Coin will be available for sale to the public in January 2009. There will be no mintage limit. The coins will only be issued in 2009.
The new 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle Gold Coin will have the designation of a nominal face value of $20, but the actual sales price will depend on prevailing world gold prices.
Wish I had a good camera and not just my cell phone camera.
Here is a crappy pic of the Mint display of the High Relief Saint.....an absolutely breathtaking coin., in a very cool display......looked like 9 of them floating around in space!!!
What will suck is if, say, the price of gold stays relatively flat as it's been most of this year, through January, and then drops. The mint raises prices on bullion-based coins, but never lowers them.
That said, I'm gonna get me at least two of these beauties!!
<< <i>What will suck is if, say, the price of gold stays relatively flat as it's been most of this year, through January, and then drops. The mint raises prices on bullion-based coins, but never lowers them.
That said, I'm gonna get me at least two of these beauties!! >>
POG will still be higher in the long run so you would not mind any temporary dips after your buy it/them.
Dang, I was just about to have a Rinaai "on demand" gas hot water heater installed. . .
Guess there's nothing wrong with that old electric tank water heater after all!
Regards, John
Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set: 1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S. Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
<< <i>Yep!!! BTW, the coin is definitely concave and gorgeous!!!
That display shows the coins at every angle....great idea.
>>
Kewl! So how were they able to display them at various angles? Are the coins suspended in a solid block of lucite? They should auction it off after the show.
<< <i>Yep!!! BTW, the coin is definitely concave and gorgeous!!!
That display shows the coins at every angle....great idea.
>>
Kewl! So how were they able to display them at various angles? Are the coins suspended in a solid block of lucite? They should auction it off after the show. >>
They each have a thin "wire" support....I'm going back tomorrow for a closer look, and I'll give you more details.
I was told by one of the "higher ups" that the Mint plans on doing production to order.
In other words, how ever many get ordered, they will mint them for uncs. I did not hear anything about Proofs.
He also said that they will be bullion based, i.e.--small charge for production costs, plus a certain amount over the price of gold and that is it. No excessive charges, etc. He also feels the coin will be THEE most popular ever as I did.
I don't want to be a party pooper, but what's going on with Liberty's right forearm? It looks like a mistake, and a real obvious one. Other than that, very cool coin.
<< <i>I don't want to be a party pooper, but what's going on with Liberty's right forearm? It looks like a mistake, and a real obvious one. Other than that, very cool coin. >>
<< <i>I don't want to be a party pooper, but what's going on with Liberty's right forearm? It looks like a mistake, and a real obvious one. Other than that, very cool coin. >>
Looks just like the 1907 to me....
-Paul >>
Look carefully at the flatness of the forearm where it meets the torch.
<< <i>I was told by one of the "higher ups" that the Mint plans on doing production to order.
In other words, how ever many get ordered, they will mint them for uncs. >>
Predict that they will be extremely popular and the mint will sell hundreds of thousands of them. Eventually, they will be considered a bullion coin in the secondary market.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>I was told by one of the "higher ups" that the Mint plans on doing production to order.
In other words, how ever many get ordered, they will mint them for uncs. >>
Predict that they will be extremely popular and the mint will sell hundreds of thousands of them. Eventually, they will be considered a bullion coin in the secondary market. >>
Since this coin is so purty, predict that most of these will be hoarded and hardly any will show up at the secondary market (if at all - and most probably at extra premium).
<< <i>I was told by one of the "higher ups" that the Mint plans on doing production to order.
In other words, how ever many get ordered, they will mint them for uncs. >>
Predict that they will be extremely popular and the mint will sell hundreds of thousands of them. Eventually, they will be considered a bullion coin in the secondary market. >>
True and this is one that I don't really care. At least from the photo, I have every intention of keeping mine for it's beauty.
As promised (above) I finally got the chance to examine the EHR $20 small diameter MMIX samples at the US Mint booth. From what I could see through the display cases, and from my file images of the original models, the new coins appear to be excellent reproductions of the original designs. There seem to be slight differences, but I can’t tell if those are real of simply artifacts of photography. Technically, the .999 fine gold pieces are far more advanced than the MCMVII 27mm originals in detail, surfaces and execution.
Naturally, striking .999 gold is much easier than .900 coin gold and the results are better detail with less striking pressure and fewer blows of the press.
The descriptive information with the coin display states that only two strikes at 65 tons of pressure were required for each finished piece. The display also includes progress strikes made earlier in the test program. It is unfortunate that the original 1907 progress strike sets for either EHR (Dec. 1906) or Very High Relief (Mar. 1907) designs were not preserved. I hope these will be archived in the Smithsonian for posterity.
Goldbully, how bout editing the initial post to include the latest photos. That way they want get lost in middle after a couple more pages of posts. Be nice to have them at the beginning of the post along with the mint pics.
I'm guessing $1389.95 by issue time. Initial limit of 5 per household. Limit will be dropped after one month.
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<< <i>Goldbully, how bout editing the initial post to include the latest photos. That way they want get lost in middle after a couple more pages of posts. Be nice to have them at the beginning of the post along with the mint pics.
I'm guessing $1389.95 by issue time. Initial limit of 5 per household. Limit will be dropped after one month. >>
According to comments by Director Moy, who was at the show most of today, the MMIX $20 pieces will be minted in one finish, with quantity equaling orders, and sold in 2009 (with a small reserve sold in early 2010).
No gimmicks.
He feels this brings closure to the Saint-Gaudens design story begun in 1905, and we now should move forward to a new era in coinage designs. This is the New Renaissance of American Coinage he has spoken about.
<< <i>According to comments by Director Moy, who was at the show most of today, the MMIX $20 pieces will be minted in one finish, with quantity equaling orders, and sold in 2009 (with a small reserve sold in early 2010).
No gimmicks.
He feels this brings closure to the Saint-Gaudens design story begun in 1905, and we now should move forward to a new era in coinage designs. This is the New Renaissance of American Coinage he has spoken about. >>
RWB,
At his 2:00pm Q&A, Director Moy disclosed that the Platinum Eagle series is NOT going away per Congressional legislation.
GB: Yes. I was standing at the back when that questions was asked. In the morning, the CCAC had made its recommendation for the first of 6 reverse designs inspired by phrases in the preamble to the Constitution. These will be used on the platinum American Eagle coins. They also recommended an eagle head privy mark. This can be used on the platinum coin reverse and satisfy the law requiring an eagle, but permit much greater design flexibility.
<< <i>GB: Yes. I was standing at the back when that questions was asked. In the morning, the CCAC had made its recommendation for the first of 6 reverse designs inspired by phrases in the preamble to the Constitution. These will be used on the platinum American Eagle coins. They also recommended an eagle head privy mark. This can be used on the platinum coin reverse and satisfy the law requiring an eagle, but permit much greater design flexibility. >>
I love the idea of inspired phrases from the Preamble for the reverses...........
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America"
Comments
This is way coooooool!
PS: Saint-Gaudens' original model was approx 12-inches in diameter. Reducing it to just over an inch and maintaining detail is difficult to do.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>Here's a photo of the original model, plus the notation on the back. This was delivered to President Roosevelt in December 1906. Photos of coins/models can be misleading, so the two might not be an exact match. I think the Mint will have one of the models at the ANA. (Photo courtesy Saint-Gaudens National Historic Site, Cornish, NH. National Park Service.)
PS: Saint-Gaudens' original model was approx 12-inches in diameter. Reducing it to just over an inch and maintaining detail is difficult to do. >>
Nice piece of history, RWB.
Guess you'll be hanging out in the Mint's ANA booth from time to time........
Hopefully, we can really start to tap into the very best American sculptors/artists for new ideas.
<< <i>I'm anxious to see what the coins look like up close.
Hopefully, we can really start to tap into the very best American sculptors/artists for new ideas. >>
Agree. I think we can come up with fresh coinage art rather than recycle old coin designs.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Palladium Saints Anyone???
(I wish they wouldn't do this...)
PALLADIUM
July 30, 2008
UNITED STATES MINT PROVIDES GOLDEN MOMENT FOR VISITORS AT WORLD’S FAIR OF MONEY® IN BALTIMORE
DIRECTOR OPENS EXHIBIT OF GENUINE GOLD BARS AND THE MOST BEAUTIFUL COIN EVER CREATED
BALTIMORE - The United States Mint chose the Nation's largest coin show in Baltimore this summer to provide a "golden moment" for visitors by unveiling the much-anticipated 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle Gold Coin, a modern version of what many call the most beautiful gold coin ever created: the 1907 Double Eagle. The exhibit at the United States Mint booth displays the development of this modern masterpiece, from its origin as gold bars through test strikes, to the finished, one-ounce 24-karat (.9999 pure) 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle Gold Coin.
Six bars of refined gold stored at the United States Mint at West Point are featured as part of the exhibit as samples of gold used in making the coins. Each gold bar contains 400 ounces of gold and weighs 27.5 pounds.
United States Mint Director Ed Moy participated in the opening ceremony of the American Numismatic Association's World's Fair of Money® and then officially opened the United States Mint exhibit.
"Like most coin collectors, I love the Augustus Saint-Gaudens 1907 Double Eagle. It is everything that makes a coin produced in the United States great: truly American, capturing our national spirit, and a stunning work of art," Moy told the crowd. "The United States Mint is proud to render Saint-Gaudens' vision in a way that honors our past and raises the bar for the future. One hundred years from now, I believe the 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle Gold Coin will be remembered as the birth of the greatest American century in coin-making history."
Aided by advancements in 21st century technology, the United States Mint can now produce, in quantity, the ultra high relief coin envisioned, but never fully realized, by renowned sculptor Augustus Saint-Gaudens in 1907. The new collectible coin will be about 50 percent thicker than other United States Mint one-ounce gold coins to achieve the greater depth and relief to which Saint-Gaudens aspired. Visitors to the exhibit can touch and feel the ultra high relief on plasters of the coin.
Then, original Saint-Gaudens coin plasters were digitally mapped by the United States Mint. Through the digital design and die-making process, the Saint-Gaudens sculpture - in ultra high relief - was updated to reflect the year 2009, with an additional four stars to represent the current 50 states, and the inscription "In God We Trust," which was not on the 1907 version.
Additionally, a small border was added for a more consistent edge. The 2009 coin will be made of 24-karat gold, rather than the original's 22-karat grade. Pure 24-karat gold is more malleable than 22-karat, making it better material for striking the ultra high relief.
The 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle Gold Coin exhibit will remain throughout the week at the United States Mint booth on the bourse floor at the World's Fair of Money. The 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle Gold Coin will be available for sale to the public in January 2009. There will be no mintage limit. The coins will only be issued in 2009.
The new 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle Gold Coin will have the designation of a nominal face value of $20, but the actual sales price will depend on prevailing world gold prices.
To download an image of the 2009 United States Mint Ultra High Relief Gold Coin, go to:
http://www.usmint.gov/pressroom/index.cfm?action=photo#UHRDEC
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Customer Service information: (800) USA MINT (872-6468)
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<< <i>Matte proof, or regular proof? Matte proof would be really cool, I think. >>
I don't know - I don't think it was specified. Matte proof would be cool!
Eric
<< <i>I'm sure it's just imaging, but the 2009 version looks more high relief or maybe more bowl-like.
Ren >>
I think the raised rim causes that illusion. Pretty coin!
<< <i>
<< <i>Matte proof, or regular proof? Matte proof would be really cool, I think. >>
I don't know - I don't think it was specified. Matte proof would be cool!
Eric >>
A lot of it is due to the angle it is shot at. Notice the Heritage pic is straight on but all of the mint photos show the edge.
<< <i>How much should these cost and how (or when) can they be ordered? >>
Really depends on the gold market when these are release sometime next year. The mint has not stated a date that I am aware of.
If I had to guess I'd say between $1100-$1300.
Here is a crappy pic of the Mint display of the High Relief Saint.....an absolutely breathtaking coin., in a very cool display......looked like 9 of them floating around in space!!!
That said, I'm gonna get me at least two of these beauties!!
<< <i>What will suck is if, say, the price of gold stays relatively flat as it's been most of this year, through January, and then drops. The mint raises prices on bullion-based coins, but never lowers them.
That said, I'm gonna get me at least two of these beauties!! >>
POG will still be higher in the long run so you would not mind any temporary dips after your buy it/them.
<< <i>So they have the lucite holder and coin box for it already, eh?
Yep!!! BTW, the coin is definitely concave and gorgeous!!!
That display shows the coins at every angle....great idea.
Guess there's nothing wrong with that old electric tank water heater after all!
Regards, John
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
<< <i>Yep!!! BTW, the coin is definitely concave and gorgeous!!!
That display shows the coins at every angle....great idea.
Kewl!
<< <i>
<< <i>Yep!!! BTW, the coin is definitely concave and gorgeous!!!
That display shows the coins at every angle....great idea.
Kewl!
They each have a thin "wire" support....I'm going back tomorrow for a closer look, and I'll give you more details.
<< <i>They each have a thin "wire" support....I'm going back tomorrow for a closer look, and I'll give you more details. >>
Thanks for posting the pic and sharing your insights and observations on the coin.
peacockcoins
<< <i>Damn fine pocket piece. >>
fo sho!
In other words, how ever many get ordered, they will mint them for uncs. I did not
hear anything about Proofs.
He also said that they will be bullion based, i.e.--small charge for production costs,
plus a certain amount over the price of gold and that is it. No excessive charges,
etc. He also feels the coin will be THEE most popular ever as I did.
Tony
Other than that, very cool coin.
<< <i>I don't want to be a party pooper, but what's going on with Liberty's right forearm? It looks like a mistake, and a real obvious one.
Other than that, very cool coin. >>
Looks just like the 1907 to me....
-Paul
<< <i>
<< <i>I don't want to be a party pooper, but what's going on with Liberty's right forearm? It looks like a mistake, and a real obvious one.
Other than that, very cool coin. >>
Looks just like the 1907 to me....
-Paul >>
Look carefully at the flatness of the forearm where it meets the torch.
<< <i>I was told by one of the "higher ups" that the Mint plans on doing production to order.
In other words, how ever many get ordered, they will mint them for uncs. >>
Predict that they will be extremely popular and the mint will sell hundreds of thousands of them. Eventually, they will be considered a bullion coin in the secondary market.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>
<< <i>I was told by one of the "higher ups" that the Mint plans on doing production to order.
In other words, how ever many get ordered, they will mint them for uncs. >>
Predict that they will be extremely popular and the mint will sell hundreds of thousands of them. Eventually, they will be considered a bullion coin in the secondary market. >>
Since this coin is so purty, predict that most of these will be hoarded and hardly any will show up at the secondary market (if at all - and most probably at extra premium).
<< <i>
<< <i>I was told by one of the "higher ups" that the Mint plans on doing production to order.
In other words, how ever many get ordered, they will mint them for uncs. >>
Predict that they will be extremely popular and the mint will sell hundreds of thousands of them. Eventually, they will be considered a bullion coin in the secondary market. >>
True and this is one that I don't really care. At least from the photo, I have every intention of keeping mine for it's beauty.
Naturally, striking .999 gold is much easier than .900 coin gold and the results are better detail with less striking pressure and fewer blows of the press.
The descriptive information with the coin display states that only two strikes at 65 tons of pressure were required for each finished piece. The display also includes progress strikes made earlier in the test program. It is unfortunate that the original 1907 progress strike sets for either EHR (Dec. 1906) or Very High Relief (Mar. 1907) designs were not preserved. I hope these will be archived in the Smithsonian for posterity.
Because I am not a photographer I could not take a good pic of the display.
It certainly is an improvement on my cell phone pic.
The plexiglass box made it impossible to capture the coins without reflections....the halogen lights in the case reeked havoc on my pics.
I now realize I needed to take more flash pics(as this one) from different angles....most of what I took had the flash off today!!
Oh well, maybe someone will have a better pic.
The officer standing guard said that the pro photographers took pics with the case removed....damn!!!!
Notice the on sale date!!!!
<< <i>The descriptive information with the coin display states that only two strikes at 65 tons of pressure was required for each finished piece. >>
...so I take it these are "NOT" First Strike™ coins..but Second Strikes...!!!.......
What everones guess on pricing?
$ 1495.00 unc
$ 1525.00 proof
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<< <i>Ok, OK ...I want one too!
What everones guess on pricing?
$ 1495.00 unc
$ 1525.00 proof >>
I'm guessing $1299.
Impossible to tell for sure as we still have 6 months.
how bout editing the initial post to include the latest photos. That way they want get lost in middle after a couple more pages of posts. Be nice to have them at the beginning of the post along with the mint pics.
I'm guessing $1389.95 by issue time. Initial limit of 5 per household. Limit will be dropped after one month.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
<< <i>Goldbully,
how bout editing the initial post to include the latest photos. That way they want get lost in middle after a couple more pages of posts. Be nice to have them at the beginning of the post along with the mint pics.
I'm guessing $1389.95 by issue time. Initial limit of 5 per household. Limit will be dropped after one month. >>
lucky dogs
No gimmicks.
He feels this brings closure to the Saint-Gaudens design story begun in 1905, and we now should move forward to a new era in coinage designs. This is the New Renaissance of American Coinage he has spoken about.
<< <i>According to comments by Director Moy, who was at the show most of today, the MMIX $20 pieces will be minted in one finish, with quantity equaling orders, and sold in 2009 (with a small reserve sold in early 2010).
No gimmicks.
He feels this brings closure to the Saint-Gaudens design story begun in 1905, and we now should move forward to a new era in coinage designs. This is the New Renaissance of American Coinage he has spoken about. >>
RWB,
At his 2:00pm Q&A, Director Moy disclosed that the Platinum Eagle series is NOT going away per Congressional legislation.
Did you pickup on that???
GB
ps. How was the CCAC meeting this morning???
Yes. I was standing at the back when that questions was asked. In the morning, the CCAC had made its recommendation for the first of 6 reverse designs inspired by phrases in the preamble to the Constitution. These will be used on the platinum American Eagle coins. They also recommended an eagle head privy mark. This can be used on the platinum coin reverse and satisfy the law requiring an eagle, but permit much greater design flexibility.
<< <i>GB:
Yes. I was standing at the back when that questions was asked. In the morning, the CCAC had made its recommendation for the first of 6 reverse designs inspired by phrases in the preamble to the Constitution. These will be used on the platinum American Eagle coins. They also recommended an eagle head privy mark. This can be used on the platinum coin reverse and satisfy the law requiring an eagle, but permit much greater design flexibility. >>
I love the idea of inspired phrases from the Preamble for the reverses...........
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America"
Very nice.
GB