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  • veryfineveryfine Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭
    RWB,
    What's your opinion regarding this new 2009 issue? Do you consider it to be a faithful reproduction of the original, an inferior rendition, or a high quality variation?
    Or none of the above.image
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,817 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What's your opinion regarding this new 1909 issue? >>



    I think you mean 2009.image

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  • veryfineveryfine Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>What's your opinion regarding this new 1909 issue? >>



    I think you mean 2009.image >>


    OOPs, thanks.
    I just corrected it. I must be living in the past.image
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    I'll wait until I see them in person. Photos can be misleading, especially when we're comparing the MMIX pieces to ones that only a hand full of collectors have seen in person. From the photos, the new piece looks impressive.
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    I'm curious...how thick are these new coins going to be exactly? Will they fit in a PCGS slab?





    -Paul


  • << <i>I'm curious...how thick are these new coins going to be exactly? Will they fit in a PCGS slab?



    -Paul >>



    The original UHR(s) fit in PCGS slabs, so I don't know why this one wouldn't.

    The more I look at the photos, the more I want one. Gonna have to put the coin buying on halt for a while to stomach this purchase!

    Anyone know when they are due out?
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  • trozautrozau Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭
    Sweet! image
    trozau (troy ounce gold)
  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,417 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am going to hoard these like my grandchildren will fear having them seized.
    I am going to hoard these at $1200 per ounce.
    I am going to hoard these like there is no other alternative!
    Nice pics!!

    Miles
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  • trozautrozau Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭
    On a side note, I wonder if they will go to the 34 mm diameter when they do the palladium issue of these. It will be ridiculously thick if they maintain the 27 mm diameter because palladium is less denser than gold. Also, I believe that palladium is harder than 9999 gold so they may have some issues as well on striking the palladium planchet to obtain the UHR details.
    trozau (troy ounce gold)
  • Great coin!
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  • BBNBBN Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭
    issue date? when in '09?

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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,913 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I am going to hoard these like my grandchildren will fear having them seized.
    I am going to hoard these at $1200 per ounce.
    I am going to hoard these like there is no other alternative!
    Nice pics!!

    Miles >>




    Masterful Miles!!!!! image
  • ClosedLoopClosedLoop Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭
    I was going to get the next two presidential gold and go for the short set,now thats put on the back burner.gotta save up and get this one instead. great coin!image
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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,913 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Beautiful coin, it would be cool to put it in a 3-D scanner to get all the exact measurements.

    My college has one that can also print in 3-D, this would be cool to scan. >>




    I agree, Man!!! What college do you attend???


    GB
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This looks great!

    One of the two original small diameter EHR $20 was on display at the San Francisco ANA. I think many people had a chance to see it then, if not actually hold it. I do agree with RWB's assesment that I looked too think for its size.

    I don't really care how faithful the rendition is. I WANT ONE!
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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,913 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This looks great!

    One of the two original small diameter EHR $20 was on display at the San Francisco ANA. I think many people had a chance to see it then, if not actually hold it. I do agree with RWB's assesment that I looked too think for its size.

    I don't really care how faithful the rendition is. I WANT ONE! >>



    No Duh!!! Me too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Nice!

    How many will be made? How many can I buy? image

    <<i'm not really an element collector in the sense i'm going for the full 92>>

    Now that is an idea. It would be cool to collect some elements. image Once you have a type set (is there any other kind?) you can move on to the molecules (a never ending project?)....
  • jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
    Does there ever come a time the Mint can be forgiven all its past, ...indiscretions?

    This might be it.
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Nice!

    How many will be made? How many can I buy? image

    <<i'm not really an element collector in the sense i'm going for the full 92>>

    Now that is an idea. It would be cool to collect some elements. image Once you have a type set (is there any other kind?) you can move on to the molecules (a never ending project?).... >>



    Last I checked it will be minted to demand for 2009 only. So this will be really cool to own but chances of a bread winner are slim.
  • trozautrozau Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭
    2009 POG will determine the final mintage of these coins.
    trozau (troy ounce gold)
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭


    << <i>2009 POG will determine the final mintage of these coins. >>



    I am guessing POG = Price of Gold?
  • mnmcoinmnmcoin Posts: 2,165
    Great looking coin...but anyone else think the mint is two years too late?

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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Great looking coin...but anyone else think the mint is two years too late?

    morris >>



    Better late than never. I really hate the low relief version on our $50 bullion. I really love the UHR version. It's amazing how when its done like it was supposed to be how much better it looks.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭
    My belief is that America needs to stop recycling past designs - ASEs, AGEs, the Gold Buffalos - to me they all represent lost opportunities for the furthering of U.S. coin design.
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    With that disclaimer out of the way, I must confess the happiness I feel with respect to owning one of these next January!
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    << <i>Last I checked it will be minted to demand for 2009 only. So this will be really cool to own but chances of a bread winner are slim. >>



    Oh I don't know - they made 10,000 of the original high relief Saints which does not make them rare, plus most were saved - today they are easily obtainable - to anyone with $30,000 or more.


  • << <i>Nice!

    How many will be made? How many can I buy? image

    <<i'm not really an element collector in the sense i'm going for the full 92>>

    Now that is an idea. It would be cool to collect some elements. image Once you have a type set (is there any other kind?) you can move on to the molecules (a never ending project?).... >>



    I heard after palladium they are moving on to depleted uranium.

    To me the 2009 looks like it has a little less detail. The overall design is sharp, but the subtle details such as in the fabric of Liberty's dress and the leaves by the date seemed to have been smoothed over.
  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As I understand it this new coin will be much thicker than a normal coin. Will PCGS be able to slab it in the current holder?

    Just wondering, GrandAm image
    GrandAm :)
  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭
    Cool image




    So like....... what is it? A coin or an ashtray? image
  • morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Any bets on a no edge lettering 09 Saint?

    Or a doulbe edge lettering 09 Saint?

    Cool specimen, I'm in for one.

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  • nycounselnycounsel Posts: 1,229 ✭✭
    wow. I've been ranting against the Mint having too many coin programs going, but I can't argue about this one. Beautiful coin.

    Of course, this coin, like $10 fractional gold buffalo which I also am partial to, are both copies of pre-existing designs.

    Get rid of the uninspired First Spouse Golds and Presidential Dollars, and give us reasonable limited mintage issues of these beauties instead.
    Dan
  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭
    Hear me now, oh #@%$ US Mint - I want a High Relief Peace Dollar - fully struck of course. You all did a horrible job back in 1921. Make it right.


    now where's that finger emoticon?
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,817 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I predict these HR Saints will be very popular and the mint will sell several hundred thousand of them resulting in them becoming essentially bullion coins in the after maket worth only a very small premium over melt. Buy one because they are neat and unusual but don't load up on them because they won't be a good investment.

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  • jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
    As much as I'm looking forward to these, I must admit that I'm concerned about the dirty brown stain on them. There even seems to be some on this display coin, see the typical high points, stomach and right thigh.

    Why can't the Mint get the rinse procedure right?

    Maybe I'm expecting too much?

    I'm still buying regardless! Not many though, old gold still calls.
  • pendragon1998pendragon1998 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭
    Couldn't they have prettied up that face of hers, though? I mean, she looks like they sat something heavy on her face.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That seam on the rim sux... but otherwise image

    When can these be ordered image
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  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭


    << <i>From what I can see, this is a surprisingly nice reissue, but I do have some problems with it.
    The detail is much crisper than the original, possibly as a result of the new technology. However, I wonder if St. Gaudens purposely sculpted the original relief with a more subtle touch. Perhaps his original pattern casts would shed some light on the subject.
    The modern mint loves to "strengthen" detail on coins, so I am skeptical.
    Despite my criticism, it's still a handsome reproduction. >>


    I think the new Saint is beautiful. The mint has done a great job of giving us a chance to own a true piece of art. If they had not enhanced the sculpture, people would have complained about that also. Kudos to the mint for offering this to us. (I also defend the mint for creating so much coinage recently. It encourages us to choose what interests us and not hoard all they make.)
    Paul
  • richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    I didn't read everyones comments but can say I will definitely buy one (just one) of those. I think it is gorgeous.
  • rgCoinGuyrgCoinGuy Posts: 7,478
    Very cool. GB asked me to resize these for a side by side view (sorry if it was already done, I didn't read every post).



    << <i>imageimage

    imageimage >>

    imageQuid pro quo. Yes or no?
  • pendragon1998pendragon1998 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭
    Are the new images distorted? They don't look like the original coin.
  • veryfineveryfine Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Couldn't they have prettied up that face of hers, though? I mean, she looks like they sat something heavy on her face. >>


    Actually, that is one of the positive traits with regard to this reissue. As a true artist, St. Gaudens understood the bold, blocky Greco-Roman style, which is clearly what he wanted to achieve with his coin designs.
    If he "feminized" the face, like the mint attempted to do with the hideous gold bullion coins, this current project would have been a complete disaster.
  • <<<Sure would look nicer without the vertical edge collar joints. >>>

    I was thinking the same thing.
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Are the new images distorted? They don't look like the original coin. >>



    They are angled. That is adding the distortion. If it were a straight on shot they would look a lot closer. That and the metal does not have the copper content to it won't look aged after a hundred years.
  • I will be saving up to get one of these. Maybe two.
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    The High Relief coin and the EHR $20 (both sizes) were made from different models, so the two image pairs above are not really comparable.

    Posting an EHR $20 (such as from one of the Heritage sales) would be better.
  • Eric Jones came across some information a while ago that indicated mintages limited to 25,000 for the proofs and unlimited to the uncirculated designs of this coin.

    It will be interesting to watch!

    Eric
    EAC member since 2011, one third of the way through my 1793 large cent type set


  • << <i>Eric Jones came across some information a while ago that indicated mintages limited to 25,000 for the proofs and unlimited to the uncirculated designs of this coin.

    It will be interesting to watch!

    Eric >>



    Matte proof, or regular proof? Matte proof would be really cool, I think.
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  • 57loaded57loaded Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Couldn't they have prettied up that face of hers, though? I mean, she looks like they sat something heavy on her face. >>



    this was before rhinoplasty and Miss Liberty , being the Roman goddess that she is......has the nose for it!

    i'd like to say "i'm in" but there will be time to wait and think
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,913 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Very cool. GB asked me to resize these for a side by side view (sorry if it was already done, I didn't read every post).



    << <i>imageimage

    imageimage >>

    >>



    image Thanks Rob. I wish we could find the 1907 proof in high rez....anyone know where to look!!!
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    "1907 proof" ? The EHR $20s are all called proofs, but there is no record of any "proofs" of the high relief variety. All HR were made exactly the same way.
  • renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm sure it's just imaging, but the 2009 version looks more high relief or maybe more bowl-like.

    Ren
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,913 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>"1907 proof" ? The EHR $20s are all called proofs, but there is no record of any "proofs" of the high relief variety. All HR were made exactly the same way. >>



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