<< <i> 2. Learn the difference between THERE and THEIR. An Elementary School grammar error affects your credibility. >>
This may be the most constructive advice in this thread. >>
no, just the most anal. >>
thank you, At work i go over and over and over my reports to get them right. Didn't think i had to here, among like minded coin people. Maybe I was wrong
crypto79 I think the folks at Miller'sMint decided during the conversation you were not their kind of customer, and put you on the speaker phoned and laughed to run you off. They really didn't want your business. You both came out unharmed and entertained.
<< <i>Miller's Mint is a small business, owned by an individual, who quotes negotiable prices on the assumption that they are paid in cash. That's the way the coin business works. >>
RYK, where did you come up with these terms? On their website, they clearly state
<< <i>Payment MUST be in U.S. Funds drawn on a U. S bank, Mastercard, VISA, Discover or American Express accepted >>
.
I think you and Scarsdale are being unfaily harsh on the OP. He negotiated a price for a coin and attempted to pay for it according to their published terms and conditions.
<< <i>I, too, am no attorney, but some of the comments here certainly border on libel. Some of you are completely trashing a dealer based upon one individual's very one sided account of a transaction. Having dealt with the Millers for many years, and many pleasant transactions, I would be loathe to publicly criticise them based upon this one account.
Or maybe we should just take them out behind the barn and shoot 'em. After all, they are from New York, and as suggested, they probably ripped the coin from some unsuspecting little old lady, anyway.
Tough crowd. >>
All I can judge them on is the 1st, only and last time I dealt with them. I said to start off with they sounded honest and fair describing the coin and I was going to get it and then they got punchy. I stand by 100% of what I said.
<< <i>1. Long Island is NOT upstate NY. 2. Learn the difference between THERE and THEIR. An Elementary School grammar error affects your credibility. 3. Who do you think pays for your 1.5% back? Why should the seller double-discount you? >>
There's no connection between misspelling a word and his credibility. He's not teaching English. You need a lesson in logical fallacies.
"Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world." PBShelley
Tough friday crowd. I would have passed on the coin anyway. Everytime you would have looked at the coin the rim bump would be the first spot you see. The dealer whinning about the 3 or so percent fee is stupid. The dealer shows he accepts credit cards. I did not see where he states credit card users pay an extra 3 percent or that by using a credit card eliminates any discount. Dealer should not accept credit cards if the fee is that big a deal to him. I doubt the dealer in question gave bid for the coin anyway. I see nothing wrong with trying to get a discount on any coin i have bought with in reason.
Mark NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!! working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
We have been hard on Crypto79, but the dealer also advertises a price. If he is willing to negotiate a lower price a payment that is less costly should also be fair. The op states it wasn't the price or the negotiation that brought the deal down...it was the fact they LAUGHED AT HIM ON SPEAKER PHONE.
how did you know they were even laughing at you, and if they did does it matter? When i buy something (although when this happens its usually a cherrypick) the dealer will laugh behind my back because he thinks he just ripped me off. Do i care? No, because i just got a great coin at a very low price, unknown to the dealer. So, couldnt you just be happy getting a decent coin at a good price, regardless of what others say or think of you?? Obviously not, because now you look like a total ass, and will still be searching for the trade dollar you could have had for a good price.
<< <i>1. Long Island is NOT upstate NY. 2. Learn the difference between THERE and THEIR. An Elementary School grammar error affects your credibility. 3. Who do you think pays for your 1.5% back? Why should the seller double-discount you? >>
There's no connection between misspelling a word and his credibility. He's not teaching English. You need a lesson in logical fallacies. >>
<< <i>1. Long Island is NOT upstate NY. 2. Learn the difference between THERE and THEIR. An Elementary School grammar error affects your credibility. 3. Who do you think pays for your 1.5% back? Why should the seller double-discount you? >>
There's no connection between misspelling a word and his credibility. He's not teaching English. You need a lesson in logical fallacies. >>
I agree 100%, although your not knowing the difference between a grammar mistake and a misspelling affects your credibility.
People nitpick things like grammar and spelling when they don't like what you're saying. Crypto has a right to voice his opinion, and his feeelings are just as valid as anyone else's here. Lastly, we should all remember there are two sides to every story.
Respectfully submitted...Mike
Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
<< <i>1. Long Island is NOT upstate NY. 2. Learn the difference between THERE and THEIR. An Elementary School grammar error affects your credibility. 3. Who do you think pays for your 1.5% back? Why should the seller double-discount you? >>
There's no connection between misspelling a word and his credibility. He's not teaching English. You need a lesson in logical fallacies. >>
Brilliant, and timely.
In addition, it is worthwhile to reflect on the overall importance of things.
For example, you could be presently flooded, or worried about a potential evacuation because of devastating flooding.
I saw nothing, whatsoever, wrong with the OP's posting...
John from Des Moines, Iowa
John C. Knudsen, LM ANA 2342, LM CSNS 337 SFC, US Army (Ret.) 1974-1994
That said, I agree that crypto should have informed Miller's that he intended to pay with credit card, although in his defense he may have not been aware that credit cards are not customarily used in numismatic transactions. However, in no way does that excuse being made fun of presuming that's what happened....Mike
Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
<< <i>how did you know they were even laughing at you, and if they did does it matter? When i buy something (although when this happens its usually a cherrypick) the dealer will laugh behind my back because he thinks he just ripped me off. Do i care? No, because i just got a great coin at a very low price, unknown to the dealer. So, couldnt you just be happy getting a decent coin at a good price, regardless of what others say or think of you?? Obviously not, because now you look like a total ass, and will still be searching for the trade dollar you could have had for a good price. >>
Your right, I have been looking for a type II 75cc and sans rim bump that one was perfect. but at what point is one better off with out. I heard the employee talking to the guy who approves the deals going back and forth at my expence after a lecture on the state of the coin market. And their numbers didn't add up, add $25 to the price if I take $14.25 off their profit. All they had to say was "this is the best they could do and do it". I didn't care the numbers
I agree 100%, although your not knowing the difference between a grammar mistake and a misspelling affects your credibility.
People nitpick things like grammar and spelling when they don't like what you're saying. Crypto has a right to voice his opinion, and his feeelings are just as valid as anyone else's here. Lastly, we should all remember there are two sides to every story.
Respectfully submitted...Mike >>
Hi Mike, The fact is that he misspelled "their"; it's a spelling error, not a grammar error.
"Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world." PBShelley
<< <i>what would you say if you went to Macey's for a sale and they said were going to add 3%to the price because times are hard.
Macy's is a large corporation, and they build credit card expenses into their pricing models. My guess is that a vast majority of purchases at Macy's are made with credit cards. If you see a sweater at Macy's and the price on the sticker is $100, would you inquire of the salesperson, if they will take $90 for it?
Miller's Mint is a small business, owned by an individual, who quotes negotiable prices on the assumption that they are paid in cash. That's the way the coin business works. >>
Frequently if you use Macy's card you get 15% off!
I agree 100%, although your not knowing the difference between a grammar mistake and a misspelling affects your credibility.
People nitpick things like grammar and spelling when they don't like what you're saying. Crypto has a right to voice his opinion, and his feeelings are just as valid as anyone else's here. Lastly, we should all remember there are two sides to every story.
Respectfully submitted...Mike >>
Hi Mike, The fact is that he misspelled "their"; it's a spelling error, not a grammar error. >>
Please don't burden me with details when I'm trying to be witty. It's not easy, and I get distracted.
Have a nice weekend....Mike
Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
<< <i>Miller's Mint is a small business, owned by an individual, who quotes negotiable prices on the assumption that they are paid in cash. That's the way the coin business works. >>
RYK, where did you come up with these terms? On their website, they clearly state
<< <i>Payment MUST be in U.S. Funds drawn on a U. S bank, Mastercard, VISA, Discover or American Express accepted >>
.
I think you and Scarsdale are being unfaily harsh on the OP. He negotiated a price for a coin and attempted to pay for it according to their published terms and conditions. >>
I disagree with the assertion that I was being unfairly harsh. All I did was try to put the OP in the position of the sellers and counsel him based on the hundreds of transactions I have had in the past with small dealers. I did not criticize his spelling, grammar, intellect, or try to dress him down in any way.
<< <i>So far I have yet to meet a coin dealer from NY or NJ that had a shred of ethical decency. It is to the point now that if I see they are from one of those states I don't even bother looking at their inventory. Am I being unfair and harsh, or just wise? >>
I think unfair and harsh! you can substitute "a moron" for the last word in your reply!
but the rest of us appreciate you staying away from their inventories as it leaves better coins for us
I guess a lot of guys do not know the difference between there and their.
Advanced collector of BREWERIANA. Early beer advertising (beer cans, tap knobs, foam scrapers, trays, tin signs, lithos, paper, etc)....My first love...U.S. COINS!
<< <i>Hi Mike, The fact is that he misspelled "their"; it's a spelling error, not a grammar error. >>
Percy, Making the mistake once may be a typo or a spelling error. Making it several times in the same sentence is something else. >>
Ok, I'll play;
So lets just assume that I have an IQ of 50, my parents didn't love me and I was referring to the coin as the "purddy trinket" while insinuating that the dealer enjoys sleeping with prepubescent boys. How does that make it OK for a retailer to disrespect a customer in such a way. He should just say I don't think I can help you and hang up. I am under the belief that an employee or owner should hold them self to the highest level of professionalism and never stoop to an irate clients' level. And if you say you will do something then you should do(like offer the coin at a price and the OP chooses a from of payment that is listed as OK) I have had dealer say I'll give you 3%off for cash but never I'll add 3% of credit when they take them all the time. Or since I got my words wrong I am due less respect then say...name out of thin air,YOU. I doubt you are so quick to point out the details in an unshielded environment where anonymity isn't king.
<< <i>Anonymity is not at play here. I've met, in person, several of the posters in this thread. >>
You haven't met me, nor should you wish to at this point.
This is not what I came to do, thank you to the people who got the gist of the original post, sorry to the people who I pissed in THEIR soup and made upset by going off topic of "Guess the Grade". And have a good weekend all.
You were given a choice, $495 for CC, $475 for check. It's alot more than some will do. It was alot better than a big, fat NO, price is firm. At that point, I would have taken the $495 and used the CC....still would have gotten your 1.5% and points. I think you pushed the envelope off the table. I may have gotten a chuckle from the counter-counter offer myself, no offense.
<< <i>I ask the standard ? "is that the best you can do($495) on the price for me" >>
In other words, you asked "What is the least you are willing to make on the deal"? Using a credit card (or not) affects this calculation.
edited to add... the CC companies have done a most excellent job of insulating buyers from the fact that there's an added cost to be paid when using CCs over and above that of a cash/check transaction.
<< <i>You were given a choice, $495 for CC, $475 for check. It's alot more than some will do. It was alot better than a big, fat NO, price is firm. At that point, I would have taken the $495 and used the CC....still would have gotten your 1.5% and points. I think you pushed the envelope off the table. I may have gotten a chuckle from the counter-counter offer myself, no offense. >>
OK IT's not about the price, He could have gone up in price saying the price on the internet was outdated and hadn't been fixed yet. That would have been fine. He could have dropped it to 5$ shipped I still don't think it's ok to clown paying customers and refer to them as "poor ba$tard"
Comments
Miller's Mint took my cc over the phone with courtesy.
I prolly won't let 30 years elapse again between purchases.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>
2. Learn the difference between THERE and THEIR. An Elementary School grammar error affects your credibility.
>>
This may be the most constructive advice in this thread. >>
no, just the most anal. >>
thank you, At work i go over and over and over my reports to get them right. Didn't think i had to here, among like minded coin people. Maybe I was wrong
I think the folks at Miller'sMint decided during the conversation you were not their kind of customer, and put you on the speaker phoned and laughed to run you off. They really didn't want your business. You both came out unharmed and entertained.
<< <i>Miller's Mint is a small business, owned by an individual, who quotes negotiable prices on the assumption that they are paid in cash. That's the way the coin business works. >>
RYK, where did you come up with these terms? On their website, they clearly state
<< <i>Payment MUST be in U.S. Funds drawn on a U. S bank, Mastercard, VISA, Discover or American Express accepted >>
.
I think you and Scarsdale are being unfaily harsh on the OP. He negotiated a price for a coin and attempted to pay for it according to their published terms and conditions.
<< <i>I, too, am no attorney, but some of the comments here certainly border on libel. Some of you are completely trashing a dealer based upon one individual's very one sided account of a transaction. Having dealt with the Millers for many years, and many pleasant transactions, I would be loathe to publicly criticise them based upon this one account.
Or maybe we should just take them out behind the barn and shoot 'em. After all, they are from New York, and as suggested, they probably ripped the coin from some unsuspecting little old lady, anyway.
Tough crowd. >>
All I can judge them on is the 1st, only and last time I dealt with them. I said to start off with they sounded honest and fair describing the coin and I was going to get it and then they got punchy. I stand by 100% of what I said.
<< <i>1. Long Island is NOT upstate NY.
2. Learn the difference between THERE and THEIR. An Elementary School grammar error affects your credibility.
3. Who do you think pays for your 1.5% back? Why should the seller double-discount you? >>
There's no connection between misspelling a word and his credibility. He's not teaching English.
You need a lesson in logical fallacies.
NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
The op states it wasn't the price or the negotiation that brought the deal down...it was the fact they LAUGHED AT HIM ON SPEAKER PHONE.
<< <i>
<< <i>1. Long Island is NOT upstate NY.
2. Learn the difference between THERE and THEIR. An Elementary School grammar error affects your credibility.
3. Who do you think pays for your 1.5% back? Why should the seller double-discount you? >>
There's no connection between misspelling a word and his credibility. He's not teaching English.
You need a lesson in logical fallacies. >>
What he said.....jeeze Louise.
<< <i>
<< <i>1. Long Island is NOT upstate NY.
2. Learn the difference between THERE and THEIR. An Elementary School grammar error affects your credibility.
3. Who do you think pays for your 1.5% back? Why should the seller double-discount you? >>
There's no connection between misspelling a word and his credibility. He's not teaching English.
You need a lesson in logical fallacies. >>
I agree 100%, although your not knowing the difference between a grammar mistake and a misspelling affects your credibility.
People nitpick things like grammar and spelling when they don't like what you're saying. Crypto has a right to voice his opinion, and his feeelings are just as valid as anyone else's here. Lastly, we should all remember there are two sides to every story.
Respectfully submitted...Mike
<< <i>
<< <i>1. Long Island is NOT upstate NY.
2. Learn the difference between THERE and THEIR. An Elementary School grammar error affects your credibility.
3. Who do you think pays for your 1.5% back? Why should the seller double-discount you? >>
There's no connection between misspelling a word and his credibility. He's not teaching English.
You need a lesson in logical fallacies. >>
Brilliant, and timely.
In addition, it is worthwhile to reflect on the overall importance of things.
For example, you could be presently flooded, or worried about a potential evacuation because of devastating
flooding.
I saw nothing, whatsoever, wrong with the OP's posting...
John
from Des Moines, Iowa
SFC, US Army (Ret.) 1974-1994
NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
This is probably due to the density of population
and the need to keep folks at a safe distance, much
like a porcupine does. However, by an large, NYC
residents are the biggest hearted, and kindest people.
Under the tough abrasive shell, beat hearts of gold.
Camelot
<< <i>how did you know they were even laughing at you, and if they did does it matter? When i buy something (although when this happens its usually a cherrypick) the dealer will laugh behind my back because he thinks he just ripped me off. Do i care? No, because i just got a great coin at a very low price, unknown to the dealer. So, couldnt you just be happy getting a decent coin at a good price, regardless of what others say or think of you?? Obviously not, because now you look like a total ass, and will still be searching for the trade dollar you could have had for a good price. >>
Your right, I have been looking for a type II 75cc and sans rim bump that one was perfect. but at what point is one better off with out. I heard the employee talking to the guy who approves the deals going back and forth at my expence after a lecture on the state of the coin market. And their numbers didn't add up, add $25 to the price if I take $14.25 off their profit. All they had to say was "this is the best they could do and do it". I didn't care the numbers
<< <i>
I agree 100%, although your not knowing the difference between a grammar mistake and a misspelling affects your credibility.
People nitpick things like grammar and spelling when they don't like what you're saying. Crypto has a right to voice his opinion, and his feeelings are just as valid as anyone else's here. Lastly, we should all remember there are two sides to every story.
Respectfully submitted...Mike >>
Hi Mike,
The fact is that he misspelled "their"; it's a spelling error, not a grammar error.
<< <i>what would you say if you went to Macey's for a sale and they said were going to add 3%to the price because times are hard.
Macy's is a large corporation, and they build credit card expenses into their pricing models. My guess is that a vast majority of purchases at Macy's are made with credit cards. If you see a sweater at Macy's and the price on the sticker is $100, would you inquire of the salesperson, if they will take $90 for it?
Miller's Mint is a small business, owned by an individual, who quotes negotiable prices on the assumption that they are paid in cash. That's the way the coin business works. >>
Frequently if you use Macy's card you get 15% off!
<< <i>
<< <i>
I agree 100%, although your not knowing the difference between a grammar mistake and a misspelling affects your credibility.
People nitpick things like grammar and spelling when they don't like what you're saying. Crypto has a right to voice his opinion, and his feeelings are just as valid as anyone else's here. Lastly, we should all remember there are two sides to every story.
Respectfully submitted...Mike >>
Hi Mike,
The fact is that he misspelled "their"; it's a spelling error, not a grammar error.
Please don't burden me with details when I'm trying to be witty. It's not easy, and I get distracted.
Have a nice weekend....Mike
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>
<< <i>Miller's Mint is a small business, owned by an individual, who quotes negotiable prices on the assumption that they are paid in cash. That's the way the coin business works. >>
RYK, where did you come up with these terms? On their website, they clearly state
<< <i>Payment MUST be in U.S. Funds drawn on a U. S bank, Mastercard, VISA, Discover or American Express accepted >>
.
I think you and Scarsdale are being unfaily harsh on the OP. He negotiated a price for a coin and attempted to pay for it according to their published terms and conditions. >>
I disagree with the assertion that I was being unfairly harsh. All I did was try to put the OP in the position of the sellers and counsel him based on the hundreds of transactions I have had in the past with small dealers. I did not criticize his spelling, grammar, intellect, or try to dress him down in any way.
BTW, "unfairly" has an "r" in it.
too spel koretly sew as not to embarace
thi membirs of thi Forem.
Camelot
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Please don't burden me with details when I'm trying to be witty. It's not easy, and I get distracted.
Have a nice weekend....Mike >>
We're both correct (I didn't use right). Spelling is a subset of grammar as is punctuation.
<< <i>Yes, New York City dwellers can be a bit caustic.
This is probably due to the density of population
and the need to keep folks at a safe distance, much
like a porcupine does. However, by an large, NYC
residents are the biggest hearted, and kindest people.
Under the tough abrasive shell, beat hearts of gold. >>
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
<< <i>I'm so glad I don't do retail... >>
It's definitely different, that's for sure
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
<< <i>I'm so glad I don't do retail... >>
Don't worry, we'll still find a way to take shots at you.
Nice new avatar, BTW. I almost did not recognize you.
<< <i>Of course we are only getting one side of the coin ....yup 100+
and I got a free plug for Coinfest
doesnt get much better than this!!!
PS: Coinfest is Nov 7,8,9
150 dealers, 45,000 sq ft, Hilton Hotel, Major Auction,
Won't say just yet, but if you think last year was cool.... you just wait!!!!! Coinfest >>
And you are in friendly, coin sales tax free Connecticut!
Just don't tell "coolest" there might be dealers from NY and NJ there
"No credit cards accepted - I work on tight margins and prefer to be able to offer quality coins at extremely competitive prices"
I can understand that and although I like to pay by cc in general, I don't mind at all
paying by check considering the service he offers.
He is completely upfront about it , as he is with everything else.
<< <i>Hi Mike,
The fact is that he misspelled "their"; it's a spelling error, not a grammar error.
Percy,
Making the mistake once may be a typo or a spelling error. Making it several times in the same sentence is something else.
<< <i>So far I have yet to meet a coin dealer from NY or NJ that had a shred of ethical decency. It is to the point now that if I see they are from one of those states I don't even bother looking at their inventory. Am I being unfair and harsh, or just wise? >>
I think unfair and harsh! you can substitute "a moron" for the last word in your reply!
but the rest of us appreciate you staying away from their inventories as it leaves better coins for us
editted to correct there to their
myCCset
Coolest - How many have you met?
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>I guess a lot of guys do not know the difference between there and their. >>
Yes, thar seems to be a problem.
<< <i>I guess a lot of guys do not know the difference between there and their. >>
post corrected
myCCset
<< <i>
<< <i>Hi Mike,
The fact is that he misspelled "their"; it's a spelling error, not a grammar error.
Percy,
Making the mistake once may be a typo or a spelling error. Making it several times in the same sentence is something else. >>
Ok, I'll play;
So lets just assume that I have an IQ of 50, my parents didn't love me and I was referring to the coin as the "purddy trinket" while insinuating that the dealer enjoys sleeping with prepubescent boys. How does that make it OK for a retailer to disrespect a customer in such a way. He should just say I don't think I can help you and hang up. I am under the belief that an employee or owner should hold them self to the highest level of professionalism and never stoop to an irate clients' level. And if you say you will do something then you should do(like offer the coin at a price and the OP chooses a from of payment that is listed as OK) I have had dealer say I'll give you 3%off for cash but never I'll add 3% of credit when they take them all the time. Or since I got my words wrong I am due less respect then say...name out of thin air,YOU. I doubt you are so quick to point out the details in an unshielded environment where anonymity isn't king.
Rob
"Those guys weren't Fathers they were...Mothers."
their indicates ownership or belonging to!
do I win a prize?
myCCset
<< <i>there indicates place or position
their indicates ownership or belonging to!
do I win a prize?
let's not forget
They're short for they are.
did I come in 2nd or last.
<< <i>Anonymity is not at play here. I've met, in person, several of the posters in this thread. >>
You haven't met me, nor should you wish to at this point.
This is not what I came to do, thank you to the people who got the gist of the original post, sorry to the people who I pissed in THEIR soup and made upset by going off topic of "Guess the Grade". And have a good weekend all.
Berry you Sir, are an ass
<< <i>I ask the standard ? "is that the best you can do($495) on the price for me" >>
In other words, you asked "What is the least you are willing to make on the deal"? Using a credit card (or not) affects this calculation.
edited to add... the CC companies have done a most excellent job of insulating buyers from the fact that there's an added cost to be paid when using CCs over and above that of a cash/check transaction.
<< <i>You haven't met me, nor should you wish to at this point. >>
This is the first thing you've said with which I agree.
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<< <i>You were given a choice, $495 for CC, $475 for check. It's alot more than some will do. It was alot better than a big, fat NO, price is firm. At that point, I would have taken the $495 and used the CC....still would have gotten your 1.5% and points. I think you pushed the envelope off the table. I may have gotten a chuckle from the counter-counter offer myself, no offense. >>
OK IT's not about the price, He could have gone up in price saying the price on the internet was outdated and hadn't been fixed yet. That would have been fine. He could have dropped it to 5$ shipped I still don't think it's ok to clown paying customers and refer to them as "poor ba$tard"
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