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crypto79
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I just got off the phone with a few people up in Upstate NY at Miller Mint LTD after finding there web site online(millersmint.com). I was looking at one of there coins on there web site and found a coin I wanted( a 1875 cc trade with a nasty rim bump but original skin in xf-45) I called them up and asked about the coin and there return policy and every thing was OK. They want strong money for it( don't they all ) as they had it listed as a au50 it wasn't and the rim bump means pcgs or NGC are out of the?. I ask the standard ? "is that the best you can do($495) on the price for me" and he goes sort of, I'll give you 20$ off($475). I reply ok deal. let me grab my wallet, I come back on the phone and they ask"could you send a check?". I go I would rather use my card( 1.5%back+points). They then go on a rant about how hard it is to replace coins (they had 8 75cc in stock) and the prices are going up next week in the price guide and they have 9 employes who need to get paid. So if I pay with a credit card I can't have the 20$ off ( 3% of 475 is $14.25) and I say ok tell you what I'll split the difference $485 shipped. THEY THEN SPEND A FULL MIN. talking it over laughing at me with me on speaker phone saying the poor ba$tard is fighting over $10 after they just went on how times are tough and every dollar counts and killed the deal over 14.25. I know it's there coin and they can charge what they want but I have never been so pissed at some one I was trying to hand over money to.
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greg
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2. Learn the difference between THERE and THEIR. An Elementary School grammar error affects your credibility.
3. Who do you think pays for your 1.5% back? Why should the seller double-discount you?
When bargaining for a coin, it is proper form to discuss alternate means of payment (other than cash/check) prior to settling on the price. While you get 1.5% back from a credit card purchase, they lose 3% or so, and a considerate buyer is aware of this. Similarly, it is unfair to strike the "best price" and then start talking about layaway or "90 days same as cash" or whatever other terms.
While they were not courteous to you on the phone, they are from New York, and this is the kind of behavior I expect when dealing with New Yorkers. Did you read the thread about the poor slob who visited Stack's yeasterday?
I think that the Millers have always been pretty fair with people and have a pretty good rep in the coin business....
think you should have just sent them the check and saved the $20 bucks and not go so crazy on it...but heck what do I know
Edit (there to their) so that some people might still take my advice for coins
<< <i>1. Long Island is NOT upstate NY.
2. Learn the difference between THERE and THEIR. An Elementary School grammar error affects your credibility.
3. Who do you think pays for your 1.5% back? Why should the seller double-discount you? >>
It's all some part of CANADA for all I care and I don't care what you think about my credibility or my speed typing. It's not perfect but it gets the point across. And the price wasn't the point if they had said I just can't go any lower on this, sorry thats fine. It's THEIR choice but that was standard back and forth negotiations and what would you say if you went to Macey's for a sale and they said were going to add 3%to the price because times are hard.
My few transactions were very pleasent to say the least.
All I can say here is, if you do not like the terms, move on.
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
Macy's is a large corporation, and they build credit card expenses into their pricing models. My guess is that a vast majority of purchases at Macy's are made with credit cards. If you see a sweater at Macy's and the price on the sticker is $100, would you inquire of the salesperson, if they will take $90 for it?
Miller's Mint is a small business, owned by an individual, who quotes negotiable prices on the assumption that they are paid in cash. That's the way the coin business works.
<< <i>Im a NY'er and we are not Canada.... also for what it is worth, I really think you need to modify your headline... Im not a attorney but what you are posting I believe to be libel >>
I would not worry about it. This thread does not seem to be hurting the Millers nearly as much as it is harming the OP.
<< <i>Im a NY'er and we are not Canada.... also for what it is worth, I really think you need to modify your headline... Im not a attorney but what you are posting I believe to be libel >>
..but did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
<< <i>what would you say if you went to Macey's for a sale and they said were going to add 3%to the price because times are hard.
Macy's is a large corporation, and they build credit card expenses into their pricing models. My guess is that a vast majority of purchases at Macy's are made with credit cards. If you see a sweater at Macy's and the price on the sticker is $100, would you inquire of the salesperson, if they will take $90 for it?
Miller's Mint is a small business, owned by an individual, who quotes negotiable prices on the assumption that they are paid in cash. That's the way the coin business works. >>
That is a good counter but I never put a price out there I asked them what they felt was the best price for the coin they were welcome to come back full price and I would have most likely still taken it. How did they think I was going to pay over the phone when I asked for the price. And why would they assume cash? what % of all transactions are done in cash now days. And I said lets not for get after they said no all I did was try to split the difference and If you do the math they cleared more on the compromise then the cash deal
I didn't ask for a discount, and was ready to go at $4980 fully shipped... I just couldn't get any love, and for less then the cost of a Pizza the negotiations where over.
By mailing a check. That's how I usually pay.
that doesnt it make it right or wrong....its just the way the game is played
and as one dealer here, I'll be the first to say that not every coin dealer is a great businessman
<< <i>Macy's is a large corporation, and they build credit card expenses into their pricing models. My guess is that a vast majority of purchases at Macy's are made with credit cards. If you see a sweater at Macy's and the price on the sticker is $100, would you inquire of the salesperson, if they will take $90 for it?
Miller's Mint is a small business, owned by an individual, who quotes negotiable prices on the assumption that they are paid in cash. That's the way the coin business works. >>
He's talking about the mom and pop shop, Macey's, not Macy*s, the department store.
<< <i>While they were not courteous to you on the phone, they are from New York, and this is the kind of behavior I expect when dealing with New Yorkers. >>
Watch it, you yunser!
Crypto79 probably speaks like he writes. He most likely came across as an ignoramus on the phone and was treated as such.
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<< <i>what would you say if you went to Macey's for a sale and they said were going to add 3%to the price because times are hard.
Macy's is a large corporation, and they build credit card expenses into their pricing models. My guess is that a vast majority of purchases at Macy's are made with credit cards. If you see a sweater at Macy's and the price on the sticker is $100, would you inquire of the salesperson, if they will take $90 for it?
Miller's Mint is a small business, owned by an individual, who quotes negotiable prices on the assumption that they are paid in cash. That's the way the coin business works. >>
That is a good counter but I never put a price out there I asked them what they felt was the best price for the coin they were welcome to come back full price and I would have most likely still taken it. How did they think I was going to pay over the phone when I asked for the price. And why would they assume cash? what % of all transactions are done in cash now days. And I said lets not for get after they said no all I did was try to split the difference and If you do the math they cleared more on the compromise then the cash deal >>
Ever hear of the USPS??
I'd go with unfair and harsh ............ or narrow minded ............ or maybe ignorant. To paint all dealers with the same, very broad brush does a disservice to both the dealers and to yourself.
<< <i>Crypto79 probably speaks like he writes. He most likely came across as an ignoramus on the phone and was treated as such. >>
Are you covering for Russ today?
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<< <i>Macy's is a large corporation, and they build credit card expenses into their pricing models. My guess is that a vast majority of purchases at Macy's are made with credit cards. If you see a sweater at Macy's and the price on the sticker is $100, would you inquire of the salesperson, if they will take $90 for it?
Miller's Mint is a small business, owned by an individual, who quotes negotiable prices on the assumption that they are paid in cash. That's the way the coin business works. >>
He's talking about the mom and pop shop, Macey's, not Macy*s, the department store.
<< <i>While they were not courteous to you on the phone, they are from New York, and this is the kind of behavior I expect when dealing with New Yorkers. >>
Watch it, you yunser!
Crypto79 probably speaks like he writes. He most likely came across as an ignoramus on the phone and was treated as such. >>
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<< <i>Macy's is a large corporation, and they build credit card expenses into their pricing models. My guess is that a vast majority of purchases at Macy's are made with credit cards. If you see a sweater at Macy's and the price on the sticker is $100, would you inquire of the salesperson, if they will take $90 for it?
Miller's Mint is a small business, owned by an individual, who quotes negotiable prices on the assumption that they are paid in cash. That's the way the coin business works. >>
He's talking about the mom and pop shop, Macey's, not Macy*s, the department store.
<< <i>While they were not courteous to you on the phone, they are from New York, and this is the kind of behavior I expect when dealing with New Yorkers. >>
Watch it, you yunser!
Crypto79 probably speaks like he writes. He most likely came across as an ignoramus on the phone and was treated as such. >>
You Sir, are an ass.
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<< <i>Macy's is a large corporation, and they build credit card expenses into their pricing models. My guess is that a vast majority of purchases at Macy's are made with credit cards. If you see a sweater at Macy's and the price on the sticker is $100, would you inquire of the salesperson, if they will take $90 for it?
Miller's Mint is a small business, owned by an individual, who quotes negotiable prices on the assumption that they are paid in cash. That's the way the coin business works. >>
He's talking about the mom and pop shop, Macey's, not Macy*s, the department store.
<< <i>While they were not courteous to you on the phone, they are from New York, and this is the kind of behavior I expect when dealing with New Yorkers. >>
Watch it, you yunser!
Crypto79 probably speaks like he writes. He most likely came across as an ignoramus on the phone and was treated as such. >>
You Sir, are an ass. >>
Go take a look in the mirror!
<< <i>Broadstruck, man, $20 on $5K, that REALLY is splitting hairs
I missed the coin at auction was already prepared to pay 30% more to get it...
$20 was just a matter of principle, as when your talking to someone who's dense... your wallet stops wiggeling!
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<< <i>Macy's is a large corporation, and they build credit card expenses into their pricing models. My guess is that a vast majority of purchases at Macy's are made with credit cards. If you see a sweater at Macy's and the price on the sticker is $100, would you inquire of the salesperson, if they will take $90 for it?
Miller's Mint is a small business, owned by an individual, who quotes negotiable prices on the assumption that they are paid in cash. That's the way the coin business works. >>
He's talking about the mom and pop shop, Macey's, not Macy*s, the department store.
<< <i>While they were not courteous to you on the phone, they are from New York, and this is the kind of behavior I expect when dealing with New Yorkers. >>
Watch it, you yunser!
Crypto79 probably speaks like he writes. He most likely came across as an ignoramus on the phone and was treated as such. >>
You Sir, are an ass. >>
<< <i>Are you covering for Russ today?
Does this answer your question?
BTW while at the show I signed up to be put on his mailing list and the next month I saw most of the coins listed on it initially marked up about 33% and some dropped in price in following mailing so the pricing structure seems fair..
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
Because when you ask for the "best price", the assumption is that you are paying the best medium, which is cash. In the future, you might consider asking for the best price for a credit card purchase if you plan to pay with one.
what % of all transactions are done in cash now days.
All of my non-auction (eg ebay) coin purchases are paid by personal check.
<< <i>100+ >>
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<< <i>100+ >>
I defer to the Master Collector.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
and I got a free plug for Coinfest
doesnt get much better than this!!!
PS: Coinfest is Nov 7,8,9
150 dealers, 45,000 sq ft, Hilton Hotel, Major Auction,
Won't say just yet, but if you think last year was cool.... you just wait!!!!! Coinfest
boom sounds like a total loser to me. especially when you consider
there is a customer on the phone when crying.
probably ripped the coin for 300 and figures his 50% markup is just
not good enough.
i would also avoid dealers like this. they will hopefully crash and burn
on their inventory shortly.
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2. Learn the difference between THERE and THEIR. An Elementary School grammar error affects your credibility.
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This may be the most constructive advice in this thread.
my son a free coin at coinfest when he said hello and asked a couple well phrased questions.
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2. Learn the difference between THERE and THEIR. An Elementary School grammar error affects your credibility.
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This may be the most constructive advice in this thread. >>
no, just the most anal.
Or maybe we should just take them out behind the barn and shoot 'em. After all, they are from New York, and as suggested, they probably ripped the coin from some unsuspecting little old lady, anyway.
Tough crowd.