it seems there is no end to the amount of these available. to me it means that everyone who wants one will pay a slight premium and get to enjoy the fun.
<< <i>it seems there is no end to the amount of these available. to me it means that everyone who wants one will pay a slight premium and get to enjoy the fun. >>
I'd agree.....it is somewhat similar to the smooth edge GW Dollars....they came out, when high pretty quick, then massively settled after a few months.
That $800 coin can be had on their web site for $325.00. That is an insane price. You don't think the mint is halting all shipments to verify this reverse does not go out. They did it with the the Monroe Dollar struck on Quarter planchets.
<< <i>it seems there is no end to the amount of these available. to me it means that everyone who wants one will pay a slight premium and get to enjoy the fun. >>
How do you come to that conclusion? Do you know how many are out there?
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
Here's an update guys....I recieved the proof coin that appeared to have a Reverse of 2007 from the picture, but it looks like the guy just put and old reverse picture together with a new obverse one. I'm going to try to sell it before I attempt a return....b/c I just don't want to deal with a return. lol
Also, i recieved me two NGC 69's Reverse of 2007's from Gainesville coins....$138 total
I would disagree with the perception that these are "as available" as the smooth edge Washington $ - -
I lend my opinions to factual evidence and what I and several other collectors have experienced.......
I have factual knowledge of at least 2000-2500 eagles that have been searched and have turned up around 5-7% "07 reverses".
I also know that the early subscription orders turned up very very few coins , if ANY.
The orders that did turn up coins were not solid packed with 07 reverses, rather scattered in the shipments (this contradicts one member claiming to get 46 in one box of 50)
Orders that were placed a week to two weeks after release and received in and around April 5-10th seem to have the biggest success rate at finding these 07 reverse, but again, they were not jammed packed.....5-10-12% at best.
Given that the ASE has soooooo many collectors, and this is the ONLY easily distinguishable variety in 20+ years of coinage, this coin could easily fetch $150+ raw in a very stabilized market with even 75,000 pieces.........
Now for my educated guess, I think there are probably less than 25,000 of these out there. A stabilized price at 25,000 mintage - - anyone's guess.
I put in an order on April 15th and it says "In Stock and Reserved". I am wondering if it should really say "In Stock and We're Checking for any Crazy 8's in Your Order Before we Send out". Just a thought.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
We'll add your 12 for 12 to the 2500 I've seen searched....
Revised 7.4% instead of 7%................ >>
Keep in mind however that the final percentage will be based on the total sold which is a pretty big number. I don't think the mint will continue to produce this variety very long. It has possibly already been stopped and corrected.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
Just got the one that I sent to Coin World back. The article is in the May 5th CW and on CW Online now.
Paul Gilkes has contacted the Mint trying to get the lowdown but last I heard, they have not responded.
Regards,
John
Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set: 1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S. Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
I went to ModernCoinMarts website Sunday, and inquired about pricing, as it said 'call for pricing'. Today, I received an email from them.....they will only charge me $299 instead of the $325 on the site. Big savings for a coin that went up a gagillion % in a week.
Well I have some ordered on the 20th that the mint says are" in stock and reserved" with no cancel option. Hopefully they will arrive in 1-2 days and I can add to the information pool................
I ordered 10 on the 20th and they already charged my credit card and picked them for shipment. I don't expect to get any of the subject coins but it will be great if I do.
Dang, I copied the HTTP directly from the Online edition but it only takes you to the Home Page. I have to log-on to view CW online. Wonder if this is why it won't link up.
Tried again. It just won't link to the CW On-Line for me.
Regards,
John
Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set: 1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S. Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
so far, the subject coins have been found in shipments AFTER the initial subscriptions were filled......sweet spot so far being deliveries in the 4/10-4/21
The latest NN mint sales report shows that almost 500,000 2008 W proofs have been sold since release. It also shows almost 2 million non W bullion coins were released. Its not a reach to say that there are at least a few hundred thousand ASE collectors. Now, the 20th anniversary set released 250,000 Reverse Proofs--and those are still very expensive in the right grade, in the right holder.
The 1995 W ASE has a mintage of just over 30,000 and its a $4000 plus coin.
If the mint unintentially released 100,000 of these reverse of 2007 coins--the collector base is already set up
What if they only released 5,000? Right now, there looks to be a glut, because only 100 or less people even know of the boo boo.
What happens when the other hundred thousand plus ASE collectors find out?
And what if the rumor that the error extends to the other 2008 ASE issues holds water?
ok so we have ship dates of "found" 2007 reverses in and around 4/10 through 4/21.
My little 2 were shipped on 4/08, rec. 4/14.
Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set: 1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S. Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
I ordered a box of (50) the day the news of the reverse of 2007 hit on the forum. My order shipped on 4/22 and I received it today, however I wasn't home so i am getting it redelivered tomorrow. I noticed today that the batch they had is sold out and another batch is on backorder. It will be interesting to see if the old reverse die is still in production or was it retired with the batch that sold out. If anyone places orders today and after AND receives any of the old reverse type, please post your finds.
Now I'm wondering if I should keep my box of 50 sealed from the mint.
<< <i>it seems there is no end to the amount of these available. to me it means that everyone who wants one will pay a slight premium and get to enjoy the fun. >>
How do you come to that conclusion? Do you know how many are out there? >>
one can hardly compare this to the extra leaf quarters. did you see forum members checking their stashes and coming up with one all the way to many multiples? i do not remember it like that.
many forum members are stating they already have them and some have many more already on the way for grading.
i am just giving my opinion. they seem to be common. am i upsetting the people who wish to see them rise in price by this opinion? it is looking like hundreds were found just by forum members alone!
It seem to me that it's just going to be a short burst of these things that's going to get out. ...Can you imagine how few and far between the MS70's might be???
I read back and I think I even posted a thread that since 2002 the mints were not going to have no errors because of the latest tech. Now we are seeing errors at least every year since then, the Wisconsin leaf error,the West Virgina cud, the bison spear, the Minnesota DDr, penny errors. I might be wrong like my posts before but here's another one. The mint does this crap so the chases and flippers will hog up everything and the new Y/N buys and buys until he/she figures out that the game is rigged. Just my opinion.
I don't like error coins for the reason is what is the point. You can't connect them with a perfect set of coins you collect. I have a few yes, but I look at em and I don't know just don't think they are special.
<< <i>I read back and I think I even posted a thread that since 2002 the mints were not going to have no errors because of the latest tech. Now we are seeing errors at least every year since then, the Wisconsin leaf error,the West Virgina cud, the bison spear, the Minnesota DDr, penny errors. I might be wrong like my posts before but here's another one. The mint does this crap so the chases and flippers will hog up everything and the new Y/N buys and buys until he/she figures out that the game is rigged. Just my opinion. I don't like error coins for the reason is what is the point. You can't connect them with a perfect set of coins you collect. I have a few yes, but I look at em and I don't know just don't think they are special. >>
Most errors have nothing to do with technology. A human put the wrong reverse die into service. --Jerry
Yes you can YaHa, if they are MS69 or MS70 and are a variety you will need it to complete your set Yes sometimes it does seem rigged as to how come Gainesville Coins got all those that they are selling! I ordered one just so if mine are not the error I will have one for my set.
Ha, Now I have to find an '08 rev. of '08 for my set. Guess I'll order some more from the mint in hopes that I get a NEW reverse.
Regards,
John
Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set: 1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S. Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
Received an e-mail from Paul Gilkes this AM. He is doing a follow-up article for the 5/12 CW issue. Won't give me the scoop until after they publish. DANG!
Regards,
John
Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set: 1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S. Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
<< <i>it seems there is no end to the amount of these available. to me it means that everyone who wants one will pay a slight premium and get to enjoy the fun. >>
How do you come to that conclusion? Do you know how many are out there? >>
one can hardly compare this to the extra leaf quarters. did you see forum members checking their stashes and coming up with one all the way to many multiples? i do not remember it like that.
many forum members are stating they already have them and some have many more already on the way for grading.
i am just giving my opinion. they seem to be common.
am i upsetting the people who wish to see them rise in price by this opinion? it is looking like hundreds were found just by forum members alone! >>
Yes you are upsetting. I am just suggesting that maybe it is a little premature to judge the numbers of this variety. In the mean time can't we have a little fun over this rare break from the usual mint issues. You may be right and you were near the first with this opinion but I was just curious what process lead you to this conclusion since a few posters with some hits over a few days doesn't exactly strike me as a great number when compared with the total mintage and collector base. One other thing to consider- the extra leaf quarters were distributed through the banking system for the most part were they not? The uncirculated ASE's are only through the mint. Wouldn't it make sense that a higher percentage of finds would be made by forum members earlier on by this distribution system? Just a thought.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
<< <i>Looks like Modern Coin Mart is selling them for $119 and $299 undercutting gainvillecoins prices. How many of these do they have? >>
my opinion is that they have a lot ;-) they must know something we do not otherwise they would be pricing them more aggressively? or maybe they do not have that many and simply want to use them as a way to get people to their website?
but my thoughts are that there must be 1000s of them if not more in the range of 10000+
just a guess. a gut feeling. i have no interest in them either way accept the discussion.
Comments
to me it means that everyone who wants one will pay a slight premium
and get to enjoy the fun.
<< <i>CRAP!! Missed post #100 by 1 lousy post.
Am I missing something?
Miles
<< <i>it seems there is no end to the amount of these available.
to me it means that everyone who wants one will pay a slight premium
and get to enjoy the fun. >>
I'd agree.....it is somewhat similar to the smooth edge GW Dollars....they came out, when high pretty quick, then massively settled after a few months.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Adam
The WI extra leaf was out for a few weeks, then boom, the media got a hold of it and prices went to the moon.
I'd also like to add that there are a lot of collectors of Silver Eagles, so I think even 100,000 would be low.
And it still has 6 hours to go!
I notice there are no PCGS reverse of 7 eagles on ebay.
Box of 20
<< <i>PCGS has not yet decided to recognize them. >>
That's a bit obtuse for a company that's a leader in their field...
I wonder when they will recognise this?
Edit: Thank's for the heads up John
<< <i>it seems there is no end to the amount of these available.
to me it means that everyone who wants one will pay a slight premium
and get to enjoy the fun. >>
How do you come to that conclusion? Do you know how many are out there?
Also, i recieved me two NGC 69's Reverse of 2007's from Gainesville coins....$138 total
-Paul
I lend my opinions to factual evidence and what I and several other collectors have experienced.......
I have factual knowledge of at least 2000-2500 eagles that have been searched and have turned up around 5-7% "07 reverses".
I also know that the early subscription orders turned up very very few coins , if ANY.
The orders that did turn up coins were not solid packed with 07 reverses, rather scattered in the shipments (this contradicts one member claiming to get 46 in one box of 50)
Orders that were placed a week to two weeks after release and received in and around April 5-10th seem to have the biggest success rate at finding these 07 reverse, but again, they were not jammed packed.....5-10-12% at best.
Given that the ASE has soooooo many collectors, and this is the ONLY easily distinguishable variety in 20+ years of coinage, this coin could easily fetch $150+ raw in a very stabilized market with even 75,000 pieces.........
Now for my educated guess, I think there are probably less than 25,000 of these out there. A stabilized price at 25,000 mintage - - anyone's guess.
<< <i>
<< <i>CRAP!! Missed post #100 by 1 lousy post.
Am I missing something?
Miles
>>
It's an old Open Forum thing.
We'll add your 12 for 12 to the 2500 I've seen searched....
Revised 7.4% instead of 7%................
<< <i>OK Pitboss...
We'll add your 12 for 12 to the 2500 I've seen searched....
Revised 7.4% instead of 7%................ >>
Keep in mind however that the final percentage will be based on the total sold which is a pretty big number. I don't think the mint will continue to produce this variety very long. It has possibly already been stopped and corrected.
Paul Gilkes has contacted the Mint trying to get the lowdown but last I heard, they have not responded.
Regards,
John
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
<< <i>Just got the one that I sent to Coin World back. The article is in the May 5th CW and on CW Online now.
Paul Gilkes has contacted the Mint trying to get the lowdown but last I heard, they have not responded.
Regards,
John >>
John, Do you have a link to the coin world article ?
Hopefully they will arrive in 1-2 days and I can add to the information pool................
LINK
Dang, I copied the HTTP directly from the Online edition but it only takes you to the Home Page.
I have to log-on to view CW online. Wonder if this is why it won't link up.
Tried again. It just won't link to the CW On-Line for me.
Regards,
John
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
anyone else care to supply info?
dont write off the possibility of getting any.
so far, the subject coins have been found in shipments AFTER the initial subscriptions were filled......sweet spot so far being deliveries in the 4/10-4/21
your story is very much like tens of others,
subscriptions yielded no 07 reverses........
Box of 20
The 1995 W ASE has a mintage of just over 30,000 and its a $4000 plus coin.
If the mint unintentially released 100,000 of these reverse of 2007 coins--the collector base is already set up
What if they only released 5,000? Right now, there looks to be a glut, because only 100 or less people even know of the boo boo.
What happens when the other hundred thousand plus ASE collectors find out?
And what if the rumor that the error extends to the other 2008 ASE issues holds water?
My little 2 were shipped on 4/08, rec. 4/14.
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
i am getting it redelivered tomorrow. I noticed today that the batch they had is sold out and another batch is on backorder. It will be interesting to see if the old reverse die is still in production or was it retired with the batch that sold out. If anyone places orders today and after AND receives any of the old reverse type, please post your finds.
Now I'm wondering if I should keep my box of 50 sealed from the mint.
<< <i>
<< <i>it seems there is no end to the amount of these available.
to me it means that everyone who wants one will pay a slight premium
and get to enjoy the fun. >>
How do you come to that conclusion? Do you know how many are out there? >>
one can hardly compare this to the extra leaf quarters. did you see
forum members checking their stashes and coming up with one all
the way to many multiples? i do not remember it like that.
many forum members are stating they already have them and some
have many more already on the way for grading.
i am just giving my opinion. they seem to be common.
am i upsetting the people who wish to see them rise in price by this
opinion? it is looking like hundreds were found just by forum members
alone!
Adam
in one of the most popular series being collected
I don't like error coins for the reason is what is the point. You can't connect them with a perfect set of coins you collect. I have a few yes, but I look at em and I don't know just don't think they are special.
<< <i>I read back and I think I even posted a thread that since 2002 the mints were not going to have no errors because of the latest tech. Now we are seeing errors at least every year since then, the Wisconsin leaf error,the West Virgina cud, the bison spear, the Minnesota DDr, penny errors. I might be wrong like my posts before but here's another one. The mint does this crap so the chases and flippers will hog up everything and the new Y/N buys and buys until he/she figures out that the game is rigged. Just my opinion.
Most errors have nothing to do with technology. A human put the wrong reverse die into service. --Jerry
Guess I'll order some more from the mint in hopes that I get a NEW reverse.
Regards,
John
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
Won't give me the scoop until after they publish. DANG!
Regards,
John
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>it seems there is no end to the amount of these available.
to me it means that everyone who wants one will pay a slight premium
and get to enjoy the fun. >>
How do you come to that conclusion? Do you know how many are out there? >>
one can hardly compare this to the extra leaf quarters. did you see
forum members checking their stashes and coming up with one all
the way to many multiples? i do not remember it like that.
many forum members are stating they already have them and some
have many more already on the way for grading.
i am just giving my opinion. they seem to be common.
am i upsetting the people who wish to see them rise in price by this
opinion? it is looking like hundreds were found just by forum members
alone! >>
Yes you are upsetting.
<< <i>My order of 50 that came today was 50/50 reverse of 2008. Oh well, they are beautiful coins anyway! >>
Bummer! I have an order coming tomorrow, I'll post my results also.
Box of 20
<< <i>Looks like Modern Coin Mart is selling them for $119 and $299 undercutting gainvillecoins prices. How many of these do they have? >>
my opinion is that they have a lot ;-)
they must know something we do not otherwise they would be pricing them
more aggressively? or maybe they do not have that many and simply want to use
them as a way to get people to their website?
but my thoughts are that there must be 1000s of them if not more in the range
of 10000+
just a guess. a gut feeling. i have no interest in them either way accept the discussion.