I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
I have a number of cards that might be PSA 9 or even 10 otherwise but have a noticeable tilt so that the border on the lower right corner looks thinner. Rickey Henderson is a good example; most of my Henderson cards have this issue.
Do these cards still have a shot at a 9 if the tilt is not too extreme or will they most likely ony rate an 8?
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the PSA 10 collector he didn't exist.
I've finished 26 of 36 boxes. Going slower as I learn the 1981 set better and setting aside more potential 9/10 cards as I go.
The star cards are for the most part not very good. Not very many 9s for most of the key HOF players. Centering is just not good it's that simple.
The corners on these unsearched boxes are a littler better than I expected given the thin card stock. These boxes were packed tightly in their case for 30 years and definitely not moved around much.
Who knows -- the last 10 boxes might have some real surprises. Not betting on a PSA 10 Rose though since I don't think I've gotten a 9 yet after 18 cards.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the PSA 10 collector he didn't exist.
I'm enjoying it immensely because some great cards are gonna come out of this.
I probably would not want to pay the current market price for these vending boxes given what I've seen so far. I got a geat deal on 'em so that softens the blow quite a bit.
The card stock is very thin compared to 1988, 1989 Topps. Now I'm curious what a vending box of those years would yield given stronger card stock. For $70 a vending case at BBCE it's hard to see how you couldn't recoup your investment easily.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the PSA 10 collector he didn't exist.
I bought 2 packs of '81 Topps this week and cards seemed very nice for this issue, including a very sharp and well centered Yaz. Anyone know if any of these are worth subbing?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
That being said I have about 600 of them for 1981 and many in really nice condition.
Can someone please explain to me what drives the price on these? When I look at the population reports there is nothing that suggests to me why the 1981 Astros cards can fetch $170 and others with the same population get only $20 in PSA 10.
Is this related to registry sets? I guess I just don't get it.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the PSA 10 collector he didn't exist.
After accidentally deleting my entire collection from the PSA set registry a year ago, I finally had time to get my 1981 set reloaded. Back on the board at number 8. Got some work to do to catch smokie
I see the population is now eight on this card in PSA 10 GEM MINT condition -- yet it is still commanding nearly $2k+ (perhaps much higher, after this one closes).
What gives? Is one or two collectors hoarding the 10s that exist? Population eight PSA 10 nearly twenty years after his debut -- I imagine there are other Rose cards that are harder to find in 10 that are not as valuable.
I'd love to add a 10 some day to my 1981 Phillies team set, but cannot envision paying so much money for a card with that high a population.
Thoughts?
I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
Been quiet in here. Making a push to complete this set. Only about 60% done but have a huge self submission getting close to send off. Anyone else still grinding this set.
The price for unopened from 81 has gotten stupid in the past 18 months.
Been chipping away at this set ever since I broke two vending boxes from gaspipe a while back. Much tougher set than I thought and undervalued, imo.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Been chipping away at this set ever since I broke two vending boxes from gaspipe a while back. Much tougher set than I thought and undervalued, imo. >>
I don't know if I'd call it undervalued -- there's just not much demand for these. You are absolutely correct, though, that the cards are insanely tough and it's a challenge to find in top grade.
I've been upgrading my Phillies team set for the better part of a decade, and still have a few cards to go.
I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
I recently made a trade with Ron (Smokie) and picked up a card for my 1981 set, great guy to deal with. Just had grades pop last night on one of my subs I have in right now, pretty happy with two hits on 10's that are now pop 2. Also hit with a pop one 10 Bob Molinaro and a pop three Benny Ayala 9.
From what I can tell, 707 is the DOLLAR STORE compared to deans_cards. For what that guy charges, if I ever bought anything from him I would expect it to be delivered to me in a frickin' limo. ~WalterSobchak
<< <i>I recently made a trade with Ron (Smokie) and picked up a card for my 1981 set, great guy to deal with. Just had grades pop last night on one of my subs I have in right now, pretty happy with two hits on 10's that are now pop 2. Also hit with a pop one 10 Bob Molinaro and a pop three Benny Ayala 9. >>
Nice hits. That Ayala is a beast.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
<< <i>Been chipping away at this set ever since I broke two vending boxes from gaspipe a while back. Much tougher set than I thought and undervalued, imo. >>
I don't know if I'd call it undervalued -- there's just not much demand for these. You are absolutely correct, though, that the cards are insanely tough and it's a challenge to find in top grade.
I've been upgrading my Phillies team set for the better part of a decade, and still have a few cards to go. >>
Underappreciated may be a better term~considering the degree of difficulty with this issue. Also makes it a challenge to decide which cards to submit as most retail for less than the grading fee for PSA 9 grade.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I think it is the design that kills this set as well as the low price on the 9s and the just plain difficulty in pulling these cards centered. The 1980 set was the first set I had a shot at completing and I loved the design, I remember my disappointment when opening my first pack of 1981's, I could never find any love for the Hat set. Now that I am actually getting them graded, I've found a new reason to dislike the set :-) I've got 42 Tens so far...and a LONG way to go.
Did anybody notice the pop report now shows the Glenn Adams card as having two 9's? Also a few without 10's changed to pop 1's, Hernandez and Corcoran both are now slabbed gem mint. Anyone here hit on those?
From what I can tell, 707 is the DOLLAR STORE compared to deans_cards. For what that guy charges, if I ever bought anything from him I would expect it to be delivered to me in a frickin' limo. ~WalterSobchak
<< <i>Did anybody notice the pop report now shows the Glenn Adams card as having two 9's? Also a few without 10's changed to pop 1's, Hernandez and Corcoran both are now slabbed gem mint. Anyone here hit on those? >>
Major hits. Adams bumping from 0 to 2 on the 9s is incredible. Can't wait to see how these compare to other 8s.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Does anyone know if the owner of Kasper Cards is on the boards?
From what I can tell, 707 is the DOLLAR STORE compared to deans_cards. For what that guy charges, if I ever bought anything from him I would expect it to be delivered to me in a frickin' limo. ~WalterSobchak
Haven't had much activity in this thread for awhile, wanted to bump this to first page. I just hit 100% today with my set thanks to Smokie (Ron) who sent me an 8 Mickey Klutts #232 card. I asked him if he had a raw Klutts that had a chance of grading an 8 and he just sent me an extra PSA 8; Ron is a great guy to deal with.
Originally posted by: 81 Topps Guy Haven't had much activity in this thread for awhile, wanted to bump this to first page. I just hit 100% today with my set thanks to Smokie (Ron) who sent me an 8 Mickey Klutts #232 card. I asked him if he had a raw Klutts that had a chance of grading an 8 and he just sent me an extra PSA 8; Ron is a great guy to deal with.
Congratulations. Are you planning to upgrade?
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
With the 3 different 1981 boxes being ripped on the other board, just thought I'd give this thread a bump in case there are some that want to read up on the 81s. Unfortunately, almost all of the photos that were in this thread have been lost.
1981 was the first year that I ever collected, so of course I have an affinity for these even though they don't get a lot of love from the hobby overall. I've tinkered around with a PSA 9+ registry set for 5+ years, and am about to break the 50 percent mark with only a few more additions. I don't actively (substitute in "aggressively" or "vigorously", if you like) work on this set, because I have so many other projects going that divert my bankroll, but will bid on a few from time to time when I see them pop up.
I wonder if part of the reason set collecting on the registry has slowed is because ripping and submitting has become so impractical.
I'm not an expert on this set, but it seems clear that when submitting, with the exception of a few low pops and major stars, anything less than a 10 is not worth the grading fees, let alone the cost of the unopened material. Take the really nice Yount Sdub pulled. Looks great, but it is worth about $8 as a 9. It's so much more financially sound to just buy the grades you want, yet less fun.
Comments
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Does anyone know if graders actually have a scanned image of the card to look at
along with their eyeballing of a card?
Sometimes when I scan cards I can see surface issues that really aren't apparent to
the naked eye.
DaveB in St.Louis
I thought the rear centering had to be 80-20 for PSA 10.
That looks more like 85-15 or 90-10 tome.
DaveB in St.Louis
for 1981, even if the front centering is good, they are very often badly centered on the back.
The quality control on that set was just awful.
DaveB in St.Louis
otherwise but have a noticeable tilt so that the border on the lower
right corner looks thinner. Rickey Henderson is a good example;
most of my Henderson cards have this issue.
Do these cards still have a shot at a 9 if the tilt is not too extreme
or will they most likely ony rate an 8?
DaveB in St.Louis
Nice card.
DaveB in St.Louis
Maybe this means that I have a good shot at some PSA 10s.
These soft cardstock 1981s are so hard to find with 4 razor-sharp corners.
DaveB in St.Louis
aside more potential 9/10 cards as I go.
The star cards are for the most part not very good. Not very many 9s for most
of the key HOF players. Centering is just not good it's that simple.
The corners on these unsearched boxes are a littler better than I expected given
the thin card stock. These boxes were packed tightly in their case for 30 years
and definitely not moved around much.
Who knows -- the last 10 boxes might have some real surprises. Not betting on
a PSA 10 Rose though since I don't think I've gotten a 9 yet after 18 cards.
DaveB in St.Louis
come out of this.
I probably would not want to pay the current market price for these
vending boxes given what I've seen so far. I got a geat deal on 'em
so that softens the blow quite a bit.
The card stock is very thin compared to 1988, 1989 Topps.
Now I'm curious what a vending box of those years would
yield given stronger card stock. For $70 a vending case
at BBCE it's hard to see how you couldn't recoup your
investment easily.
DaveB in St.Louis
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
as they look then I think they should grade well.
DaveB in St.Louis
I've always hated them and never bought one ever.
That being said I have about 600 of them for 1981 and many in really nice condition.
Can someone please explain to me what drives the price on these? When I look at the
population reports there is nothing that suggests to me why the 1981 Astros cards can
fetch $170 and others with the same population get only $20 in PSA 10.
Is this related to registry sets? I guess I just don't get it.
DaveB in St.Louis
Starts at $5, free shipping.
Click on the link bleow.
eBay
Increases the market for my PSA-graded 1981 Topps.
DaveB in St.Louis
I have a bunch of potential PSA 10s and I might as well sub something that
someone needs for their registry set.
DaveB in St.Louis
1. #494 - PSA 9 MINT - BOB WALK
2. #402 - PSA 9 MINT - Phillies Squeak Past Astros '80 NL Champions
eBay
1. #494 Bob Walk PSA 9
2. #470 Manny Trillo PSA 9
3. #402 Phillies Squeak Past Astros '80 NL Champions PSA 9
Bid starts at $5 - great price for 3 really good looking cards.
eBay
I have about 50 miscut Johnny Benchs with the exact same flaw....
AAA
Another one on Ebay
I see the population is now eight on this card in PSA 10 GEM MINT condition -- yet it is still commanding nearly $2k+ (perhaps much higher, after this one closes).
What gives? Is one or two collectors hoarding the 10s that exist? Population eight PSA 10 nearly twenty years after his debut -- I imagine there are other Rose cards that are harder to find in 10 that are not as valuable.
I'd love to add a 10 some day to my 1981 Phillies team set, but cannot envision paying so much money for a card with that high a population.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
The price for unopened from 81 has gotten stupid in the past 18 months.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Been chipping away at this set ever since I broke two vending boxes from gaspipe a while back. Much tougher set than I thought and undervalued, imo. >>
I don't know if I'd call it undervalued -- there's just not much demand for these. You are absolutely correct, though, that the cards are insanely tough and it's a challenge to find in top grade.
I've been upgrading my Phillies team set for the better part of a decade, and still have a few cards to go.
~WalterSobchak
<< <i>I recently made a trade with Ron (Smokie) and picked up a card for my 1981 set, great guy to deal with. Just had grades pop last night on one of my subs I have in right now, pretty happy with two hits on 10's that are now pop 2. Also hit with a pop one 10 Bob Molinaro and a pop three Benny Ayala 9. >>
Nice hits. That Ayala is a beast.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
<< <i>
<< <i>Been chipping away at this set ever since I broke two vending boxes from gaspipe a while back. Much tougher set than I thought and undervalued, imo. >>
I don't know if I'd call it undervalued -- there's just not much demand for these. You are absolutely correct, though, that the cards are insanely tough and it's a challenge to find in top grade.
I've been upgrading my Phillies team set for the better part of a decade, and still have a few cards to go. >>
Underappreciated may be a better term~considering the degree of difficulty with this issue. Also makes it a challenge to decide which cards to submit as most retail for less than the grading fee for PSA 9 grade.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
~WalterSobchak
<< <i>Did anybody notice the pop report now shows the Glenn Adams card as having two 9's? Also a few without 10's changed to pop 1's, Hernandez and Corcoran both are now slabbed gem mint. Anyone here hit on those? >>
Major hits. Adams bumping from 0 to 2 on the 9s is incredible. Can't wait to see how these compare to other 8s.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
~WalterSobchak
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Haven't had much activity in this thread for awhile, wanted to bump this to first page. I just hit 100% today with my set thanks to Smokie (Ron) who sent me an 8 Mickey Klutts #232 card. I asked him if he had a raw Klutts that had a chance of grading an 8 and he just sent me an extra PSA 8; Ron is a great guy to deal with.
Congratulations. Are you planning to upgrade?
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Currently collecting.....your guess is as good as mine.
Wondering what that Jose Morales is going to end up??
With the 3 different 1981 boxes being ripped on the other board, just thought I'd give this thread a bump in case there are some that want to read up on the 81s. Unfortunately, almost all of the photos that were in this thread have been lost.
1981 was the first year that I ever collected, so of course I have an affinity for these even though they don't get a lot of love from the hobby overall. I've tinkered around with a PSA 9+ registry set for 5+ years, and am about to break the 50 percent mark with only a few more additions. I don't actively (substitute in "aggressively" or "vigorously", if you like) work on this set, because I have so many other projects going that divert my bankroll, but will bid on a few from time to time when I see them pop up.
I wonder if part of the reason set collecting on the registry has slowed is because ripping and submitting has become so impractical.
I'm not an expert on this set, but it seems clear that when submitting, with the exception of a few low pops and major stars, anything less than a 10 is not worth the grading fees, let alone the cost of the unopened material. Take the really nice Yount Sdub pulled. Looks great, but it is worth about $8 as a 9. It's so much more financially sound to just buy the grades you want, yet less fun.