1878 8TF, VAM 9, Raw AU 1878 7/8TF, VAM 32, Raw XF 1878 7TF, VAM 117, Raw XF 1878 7TF, VAM 169, Raw AU 1878 Rev79, VAM 224, Raw MS 63 1880, VAM 6, Raw MS 61 1880, VAM 25, PCGS 65 1880, VAM 39A, PCGS AU53 1900-O, VAM 8a, Raw VF
I originally posted this question last December and didn't get much of a response. So, maybe this thread is a better place to post this question:
<< <i>.... Why is it that so many Morgans have a broken 4th star and always the same point (i.e. leftmost horizontal starpoint on the 4th right obverse star). I expect there must be a technical reason having to do with coin design and die strike/wear/pressure. Having just gotten into VAMs I've found the broken 4th star to be a very common trait of many VAM Morgans.
Thanks!
Edited for clarification: For perspective, the orientation of the star with respect to the rim; If the downward point of the star is at the very bottom nearest the rim, then the leftmost horizontal star * is the broken one. And not just on any single date or mint but on many in the series although maybe more prevalent on some dates. >>
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This was a hub defect that was transferred to many working dies. >>
Thanks for that VAMSKY, explains a lot!
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I am a neophite at this VAM thing, but I am learning. The first place to "find" 'em is within your existing collection. I've found several, but here are two real cherries that I discovered recently:
1891-O VAM 1B - Pitted Reverse, URS-4, R-7 equivalent, (Raw), XF to borderline AU? 1926-S VAM 4 - Dot or Extra Berry variety, URS-8, R-4 equivalent, (Raw), AU?
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Here's a few goodies that I picked up in Baltimore: 1878 V-30 (raw AU) 1878 V-33 (NGC MS63 unattributed) 1878 V-81 (raw, low MS) 1878 V-220 (raw XF) 1880O V-21 (raw MS63) 1880S V-8 (raw MS63+) 1880S V-11 (raw MS64+) 1880S V-12 (PCGS MS64 and a NGC MS66 PL) 1885 V-22(raw MS63+) 1887O V-11A (raw MS63) 1899O V-6 (raw AU) 1901O V-1A (raw dbl clashed, not the super CD in MS63) 1904O V4-B (ANACS MS63 unattributed) Also one 78, a couple of 81O's and (3) 02O's that I haven't attributed
Going through a box that I had back in Ca and never attributed......whole bunch of goodies in this one.
1878 P VAM 40 high au 1878 P VAM 117 MS63/64 1878 P VAM 121 au 50ish 1878 S VAM 7 MS61/2 1879 S VAM 19 MS63/64 1887 P VAM 3A MS64 1890 O VAM 10A AU 1921 P VAM 3AT au 1921 P VAM 3A2 XF 1921 D VAM 1i AU
More to come today......
This is a very dumb ass thread. - Laura Sperber - Tuesday January 09, 2007 11:16 AM
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
I found and placed a bid on 2 VAMS at a local B&M that has a bid board. I was the only bidder and won both for the opening bid. One was a nice BU 21-D VAM 1-AH (Die Break 1st S in STATES to RIM, Scribbling Die Scratches) with crackled orange-red toning on the reverse and the other was a BU 22-D VAM-17A (Doubled IN GO, Die Break Below N, Die Scratch Wing). The 17A was realy wierd looking because of the pitting from the rusted die. It looked like a whizzed coin or like it somehow had artificial luster because of the totally pitted surface. I took some pictures of the 17A, but because of the wierd surface I ended up having to use diffused light. I'm still not satisfied with the pictures, but here is what I came up with: Edited to add new pictures. Do you like these pics better? I redid the obverse and reverse (but not the enlarged cutout) by using direct light and slightly tilting the coin to gut down on the wierd luster glare.
As a neophyte "VAM enthusiast" this thread is much more useful with pics, close-up pics, and a brief, if only very brief description of the VAM attributes. I recognize this is a very specialized pursuit in coin collecting. I've purchased the Cherry's Pickers Guide, 4th edition and I am constantly looking at vamworld.com for clues. But for those experts out there who just post date/mm/vam #/price to this thread, it doesn't really help us newcomers. I realize you all want to score "rips" and that's probably about 2/3rds of those who post and I congratulate you all. But your own holdings won't increase in value without renewed interest from neophytes like me. So howzabout making this thread a little more educational (like MrSpud's pix and descriptions in the previous post for example)? And a little lest drab, with nothing but the date/mm/vam#/price paid in your posts?
And if this isn't the educational thread that I'm looking for, then howzabout pointing me in the right direction?
Thanks!
Here's a die-cracked-up '23-D image. I couldn't find a VAM attribution, but I suppose it's because die cracks don't count for VAMs unless there's something else unique about them like MrSpud's 22-D DDO "IN GO". Fact is I think MrSpuds all cracked up '22-D is much more intriguing w/o the DDO "IN GO" that I can't make out in those images anyways. At least the diecracks standout!
Sorry for the crappy image! And thanks for hearing my pleas.
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<< <i>Fact is I think MrSpuds all cracked up '22-D is much more intriguing w/o the DDO "IN GO" that I can't make out in those images anyways >>
Yeah, if I didn't read about it at Vamworld.com I wouldn't have noticed it, reminds me more of machine doubling with the G being the most visible on the bottom left of the round part of the G. In hand, under a microscope it doesn't show up much better, but it also doesn't show up better on the pictures at Vamworld.com Vamworld Link . The cracks, the pitted surface from the rusted die along with the little bitty die crack underneath IN are much more noticable on this one.
As for people just putting up the dates and Vam numbers, I think the hardcore VAMmers find so many they don't have the time to put up pictures of all of them. I'm just a little bit into them so each one I find is still a big deal to me. Vamworld.com is the best educational site, but I find it more useful to ID coins with than actually being able to read it and retain much. I just keep an eye out for die breaks or anything unusual then look it up at Vamworld and try and attribute them.
What you seek is on the VAMWorld discussion pages and supporting pages of Morgan and Peace dollars. This thread is to list latest acquisitions and garner the infamous "YOU SUCK" award. It takes time and effort to post up pics. Posters sometimes include a pic of a truly outstanding find to "validate" their claim, but that's the exception rather than the rule. In-depth discussions of vams including pictures are scattered in the threads and usually focus on a single coin or VAM. Do a search for "vam" and they will appear. Conversely, if a coin is posted on the VAMWorld discussion page without a picture, the poster is advised to include a picture if they want assistance.
If you see something here that piques your interest, go ahead and ask the poster to include a pic. They may or may not accommodate your request.
Oh yeah ... my latest: 1878 Rev 79 VAM 200 PCGS AU58 ... Gorgeous violet toning! 1878 Rev 78 VAM 116, raw AU 1878 Rev 78 VAM 118, raw XF (my 2d one!) 1900-O Vam 29A, raw VF
What you seek is on the VAMWorld discussion pages and supporting pages of Morgan and Peace dollars. This thread is to list latest acquisitions and garner the infamous "YOU SUCK" award. It takes time and effort to post up pics. Posters sometimes include a pic of a truly outstanding find to "validate" their claim, but that's the exception rather than the rule. In-depth discussions of vams including pictures are scattered in the threads and usually focus on a single coin or VAM. Do a search for "vam" and they will appear. Conversely, if a coin is posted on the VAMWorld discussion page without a picture, the poster is advised to include a picture if they want assistance.
If you see something here that piques your interest, go ahead and ask the poster to include a pic. They may or may not accommodate your request.
Oh yeah ... my latest: 1878 Rev 79 VAM 200 PCGS AU58 ... Gorgeous violet toning! 1878 Rev 78 VAM 116, raw AU 1878 Rev 78 VAM 118, raw XF (my 2d one!) 1900-O Vam 29A, raw VF >>
Thanks Vamsky!
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I just brought home an AU 1921-S VAM-1B4A Thornhead. I picked it up from the Bid Board at the local B&M. It is raw and was unattributed and I was the only bidder. I thought it was just going to be the 1B6 until I brought it home and looked at it closer and then compared it to the pictures at Vamworld. I'll probably post pictures of it in a separate thread when I get a chance.
1889-P VAM-7A (I think this is a really neat one!)
--Christian
You Suck! Awarded 6/2008- 1901-O Micro O Morgan, 8/2008- 1878 VAM-123 Morgan, 9/2022 1888-O VAM-1B3 H8 Morgan | Senior Regional Representative- ANACS Coin Grading. Posted opinions on coins are my own, and are not an official ANACS opinion.
Thank goodness the vammers have quit vamming, or so it seems by the lack of postings. I had a great week but I will only post the coins received thus far
1887 1A Donkey Tail 1A - VF (This one cost a tad more than a true cherry pick, someone else must have noticed it too, $125) 1887-O 30A Clashed TY - VF-XF ($23) 1888-O 7A VF-XF (My 6th but only the second or third that will grade, $17.53) 1891 2A Moustache - XF ($27)
I have 5 more on the way, but need to wait till they arrive to post.
Steve,Peaceman,Killer pick on that 24' Bar D.In that condition,tough cookie.Congrats!!! My recent finds: Two 1900-O,Vam 52 Privately Made,(New Discoveries),R-7 1923-P Vam 1C,Tail on "O" 1880-P Vam 19B "Spikehead w/Pitted Reverse,R-7
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If I only had a dollar for every VAM I have...err...nevermind...I do!!
My "Fun With 21D" Die State Collection - QX5 Pics Attached
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2 –DAMMIT BOY!!! ® Awards
1923-D Vam 2 "Double Eagle Head" MS62
1925 Vam 3 "Doubled shoulder" MS64
1880-S Vam 12,Die 1,MS Raw
1900-O,Vam-22C1,counterfeit,possible AU.
1878 VAM-12 (Raw MS64)
1878 VAM-16 (Raw MS63)
1878 VAM-18 (Raw MS63)
1878 VAM-189 (Raw MS61)
1878 VAM-195A (Raw MSPL)
1878 VAM-199.1 (Raw AU)
1878 VAM-210B (Raw AU/MS)
1878-S VAM-17A (Raw MS61)
1879-S VAM-52 (Raw MS63)
1880-O VAM-4 (Raw MS 62)
1880-S VAM-8 (Raw MS 65)
1884 VAM-3 (Raw AU)
1923 VAM-2C (Raw MS 63)
1923 VAM-1B (Raw MS 63)
1923 VAM-1H (Raw MS 63)
1923-D VAM-1R (Raw MS64)
1885 V-1A(NGC MS64)
1904O V-4B(PCI MS66, is a solid MS65)
1878 8TF, VAM 9, Raw AU
1878 7/8TF, VAM 32, Raw XF
1878 7TF, VAM 117, Raw XF
1878 7TF, VAM 169, Raw AU
1878 Rev79, VAM 224, Raw MS 63
1880, VAM 6, Raw MS 61
1880, VAM 25, PCGS 65
1880, VAM 39A, PCGS AU53
1900-O, VAM 8a, Raw VF
I'm hoping to add some more next week.
<< <i>.... Why is it that so many Morgans have a broken 4th star and always the same point (i.e. leftmost horizontal starpoint on the 4th right obverse star). I expect there must be a technical reason having to do with coin design and die strike/wear/pressure. Having just gotten into VAMs I've found the broken 4th star to be a very common trait of many VAM Morgans.
Thanks!
Edited for clarification: For perspective, the orientation of the star with respect to the rim; If the downward point of the star is at the very bottom nearest the rim, then the leftmost horizontal star * is the broken one. And not just on any single date or mint but on many in the series although maybe more prevalent on some dates. >>
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This was a hub defect that was transferred to many working dies.
Seller- thebigeng; morgansforever; bolivarshagnasty
Buyer-nibanny; derryb; zubie; smittys; konsole; tootawl; socalbigmark; fullcameo; coinkid855
<< <i>DieClash,
This was a hub defect that was transferred to many working dies. >>
Thanks for that VAMSKY, explains a lot!
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1878 7/5 VAM 39A in AU
1921 3x in MS low
1921 S 6A in AU
1921 D 1N in au
1921 D 1F in au
1921 D 1K graffitti MS
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
1891-O VAM 1B - Pitted Reverse, URS-4, R-7 equivalent, (Raw), XF to borderline AU?
1926-S VAM 4 - Dot or Extra Berry variety, URS-8, R-4 equivalent, (Raw), AU?
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1878 V-30 (raw AU)
1878 V-33 (NGC MS63 unattributed)
1878 V-81 (raw, low MS)
1878 V-220 (raw XF)
1880O V-21 (raw MS63)
1880S V-8 (raw MS63+)
1880S V-11 (raw MS64+)
1880S V-12 (PCGS MS64 and a NGC MS66 PL)
1885 V-22(raw MS63+)
1887O V-11A (raw MS63)
1899O V-6 (raw AU)
1901O V-1A (raw dbl clashed, not the super CD in MS63)
1904O V4-B (ANACS MS63 unattributed)
Also one 78, a couple of 81O's and (3) 02O's that I haven't attributed
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
1923 VAM 1F UNC - $17
1923 VAM 1C EDS (probably a 62) - $17.50
1923 VAM 1'O' NGC 64 - $45
1880 S VAM 8 NGC 63 - $45
1889 VAM 22 Slider - $30
1890 O VAM 10 PCGS 62 - $60
1921 D VAM 1H Retained Cud AU cleaned - $25
1925 VAM 5 MS 63/4 - $16
1885 O Rainbow Reverse Unc - $38
1883 O Rainbow Reverse Unc - $38
1883 O Rim Clip - $24.50
1922 Huge Obv. Lamination - $20
1921 S XF VAM 1F
1878 S MS63 VAM 17A
1921 S cleaned xf VAM 1b1
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
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1878 V-84A(raw MS64)
1880 V-43(raw MS63)
1878 P VAM 40 high au
1878 P VAM 117 MS63/64
1878 P VAM 121 au 50ish
1878 S VAM 7 MS61/2
1879 S VAM 19 MS63/64
1887 P VAM 3A MS64
1890 O VAM 10A AU
1921 P VAM 3AT au
1921 P VAM 3A2 XF
1921 D VAM 1i AU
More to come today......
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
1878 P VAM 162 VF
1897 P VAM 6A MS62/3
1904 O VAM 33 MS64/5
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
1878s Vam-5 off Ebay for 47.00
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
1889 VAM 28A AU - $20
1921 VAM 3C3 MS - $20
Edited to add new pictures. Do you like these pics better? I redid the obverse and reverse (but not the enlarged cutout) by using direct light and slightly tilting the coin to gut down on the wierd luster glare.
And if this isn't the educational thread that I'm looking for, then howzabout pointing me in the right direction?
Thanks!
Here's a die-cracked-up '23-D image. I couldn't find a VAM attribution, but I suppose it's because die cracks don't count for VAMs unless there's something else unique about them like MrSpud's 22-D DDO "IN GO". Fact is I think MrSpuds all cracked up '22-D is much more intriguing w/o the DDO "IN GO" that I can't make out in those images anyways.
Sorry for the crappy image!
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<< <i>Fact is I think MrSpuds all cracked up '22-D is much more intriguing w/o the DDO "IN GO" that I can't make out in those images anyways >>
Yeah, if I didn't read about it at Vamworld.com I wouldn't have noticed it, reminds me more of machine doubling with the G being the most visible on the bottom left of the round part of the G. In hand, under a microscope it doesn't show up much better, but it also doesn't show up better on the pictures at Vamworld.com Vamworld Link . The cracks, the pitted surface from the rusted die along with the little bitty die crack underneath IN are much more noticable on this one.
As for people just putting up the dates and Vam numbers, I think the hardcore VAMmers find so many they don't have the time to put up pictures of all of them. I'm just a little bit into them so each one I find is still a big deal to me. Vamworld.com is the best educational site, but I find it more useful to ID coins with than actually being able to read it and retain much. I just keep an eye out for die breaks or anything unusual then look it up at Vamworld and try and attribute them.
What you seek is on the VAMWorld discussion pages and supporting pages of Morgan and Peace dollars. This thread is to list latest acquisitions and garner the infamous "YOU SUCK" award. It takes time and effort to post up pics. Posters sometimes include a pic of a truly outstanding find to "validate" their claim, but that's the exception rather than the rule. In-depth discussions of vams including pictures are scattered in the threads and usually focus on a single coin or VAM. Do a search for "vam" and they will appear. Conversely, if a coin is posted on the VAMWorld discussion page without a picture, the poster is advised to include a picture if they want assistance.
If you see something here that piques your interest, go ahead and ask the poster to include a pic. They may or may not accommodate your request.
Oh yeah ... my latest:
1878 Rev 79 VAM 200 PCGS AU58 ... Gorgeous violet toning!
1878 Rev 78 VAM 116, raw AU
1878 Rev 78 VAM 118, raw XF (my 2d one!)
1900-O Vam 29A, raw VF
1904 o (x4!!!) VAM 33A MS64/5
1921 S VAM 1b3A (on it's way to Mr Lee)
1921 S VAM 1b6 xf
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
<< <i>Dieclash,
What you seek is on the VAMWorld discussion pages and supporting pages of Morgan and Peace dollars. This thread is to list latest acquisitions and garner the infamous "YOU SUCK" award. It takes time and effort to post up pics. Posters sometimes include a pic of a truly outstanding find to "validate" their claim, but that's the exception rather than the rule. In-depth discussions of vams including pictures are scattered in the threads and usually focus on a single coin or VAM. Do a search for "vam" and they will appear. Conversely, if a coin is posted on the VAMWorld discussion page without a picture, the poster is advised to include a picture if they want assistance.
If you see something here that piques your interest, go ahead and ask the poster to include a pic. They may or may not accommodate your request.
Oh yeah ... my latest:
1878 Rev 79 VAM 200 PCGS AU58 ... Gorgeous violet toning!
1878 Rev 78 VAM 116, raw AU
1878 Rev 78 VAM 118, raw XF (my 2d one!)
1900-O Vam 29A, raw VF
Thanks Vamsky!
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1878-S PCGS-66 VAM 6
1899-S PCGS-64 VAM 7
1922-P VAM-18A
1923 VAM-1D
1878-P VAM-203A
1889-P VAM-7A (I think this is a really neat one!)
--Christian
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
1887 1A Donkey Tail 1A - VF (This one cost a tad more than a true cherry pick, someone else must have noticed it too, $125)
1887-O 30A Clashed TY - VF-XF ($23)
1888-O 7A VF-XF (My 6th but only the second or third that will grade, $17.53)
1891 2A Moustache - XF ($27)
I have 5 more on the way, but need to wait till they arrive to post.
1879-S Rev of 78 VAM 35 raw AU
My latest discovery: 1879O VAM-45
My recent finds:
Two 1900-O,Vam 52 Privately Made,(New Discoveries),R-7
1923-P Vam 1C,Tail on "O"
1880-P Vam 19B "Spikehead w/Pitted Reverse,R-7
Had a great haul in the mail today.
84 O VAM-32A PCGS MS65
80 P VAM-1A MDS raw AU
80 P VAM-6 raw VF
a rare day of three swings three hits... my misses usually outnumber my hits.
You wouldn't believe how long it took to get him to sit still for this.
1887 P Vam 3a
1887 P Vam 14C
I have two other 1887 p's to attribute, and a few other morgans yet to look for VAMs
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