Just out of curiosity, why aren't the 85 packs in a box?
Good point. I doubt Steve would ship a complete box that way.
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Zef, Could be the reason that everyone complained that the '85s had been "sleeping with the fishes"!.
Gary. I would like to recommend that the '85 box you receive from Steve Hart be distributed amongst those in the rip as a sign of good faith, at your shipping cost.
Should be easy enough to do as you have all of our addresses!
<< <i>The eagle has landed!!! We have most of the boxes actually everything showed up today except for the 78 box. Had to order that from dacw becuase steve sold out before I placed the order. But heres a pick for us all to start drooling. Cant wait to crack this 76 box. it will be my first gai box crack I will get evrything split and boxed this weekend. Hopefully the box 78 box shows up today too. I know mondays a postal holiday anyone know if ups runs monday?
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Just out of curiosity, why aren't the 85 packs in a box? >>
Ha! We were thinking the same thing. The '85s were water damaged, right? BBCE would have caught that, right?
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>stown, Did u participate in any of these rip's? If not. what is your gripe? >>
His *gripe* MIGHT be that many of his friends have been ripped off.
Switch back to 80s handle MrG and answer some questions. nevermind. You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used againxt you. you have the right to an attorney......
Wow. Got home from work and started reading the other post and just finished. Pretty overwhelmingly convincing, and a huge disappointment because the rips have been a lot of fun. But all the packs cannot have been searched - I pulled this from the 81 pack.
<< <i>Wow. Got home from work and started reading the other post and just finished. Pretty overwhelmingly convincing, and a huge disappointment because the rips have been a lot of fun. But all the packs cannot have been searched - I pulled this from the 81 pack.
Wow, that is one sweet Montana card! A 9 at least, maybe even a 10!
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I believe it was stated that not all packs were probably searched as to make it way to obvious as to what was going on. You were probably one of the lucky ones.
<< <i>I believe it was stated that not all packs were probably searched as to make it way to obvious as to what was going on. You were probably one of the lucky ones. >>
Excellent point.
I got a Dorsett RC and there has been a Payton, Largent, Campbell, and Rice pictured so far.
There certainly has been NO concrete evidence but the findings have been pretty damning. Especially tied with Gary editing MANY of his posts, WTF is with that?
Zef, The only post that I know of that Gary stopped was his offer on the '84 football packs. All of the other speculated edits were from myself on all of the pictures I replaced by going to photobucket. The rant from Gary about someone PM'ing him in regards to making money on the '78 rip is still 14 entries from the bottom of page 1.
In light of the "hysteria" from today's accusations --- I felt obligated to scan my best pull from any of the numerous Gary-sanctioned rips I've been a part of ...
It's a PSA 8 at best (bottom corner is frayed) --- but it was still fun pulling it from a pack.
Everything else in the entire bust was complete crap.
-t
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<< <i>Rana, Thanks for the interest. Could u tell me which year of the Dan Hampton u found? Please PM me your address, and I will send u from England, the Dan Hampton Cheers, MrG >>
Thanks, I'll PM you my address. The Hampton card is 1981 Topps. Dan grew up close fairly to my hometown, so I met him a couple of times. I appreciate the gesture. I'll also be happy to vouch for the postmark I get, in case there are still people who believe you are Gary from California in disguise.
<< <i>Zef, The only post that I know of that Gary stopped was his offer on the '84 football packs. All of the other speculated edits were from myself on all of the pictures I replaced by going to photobucket. The rant from Gary about someone PM'ing him in regards to making money on the '78 rip is still 14 entries from the bottom of page 1. >>
There actually have been several edits by him in this rip itself. That is eerie.
Did anyone verify with Steve the basics of this box break? That he did ship these boxes out and that he shipped the 85 packs without a box and he offered to send a new 85 box? And he was out of 1978 boxes? If anyone is friends with the DA card world folks, we could ask them if they shipped a 78 box last week as well just to verify or reject small parts the various allegations.
I opened all of my original break packs now except the 76/77 packs that I left unopened. I do not see evidence of tempering on the 77 pack, but I'm slightly skeptical of the 76 pack. I think I swapped my 79 pack into my raw pack personal collection as an upgrade, and if so, it looks perfectly legit. Sadly, I did not closely analyze the other packs I've already opened, so I can't pass accurate judgment on those, and the wrappers are now mixed in a large stack. If Steve wants to view a 76 pack unopened to analyze, I'll be happy to send mine over so we can begin to settle this, since IMO the seal is not great on it.
I didn't open those 2/3 packs mentioned above, so my results are not complete, but I can at least say my results were not great. The highest book value cards were a Lawrence Taylor In Action card and an 84 Marcus Allen, that either might sell for $1 on the street. But, I'm not really unhappy with the card selection. I'm only unhappy if this whole pack rip turns out to be a sham.
<< <i>Did anyone verify with Steve the basics of this box break? That he did ship these boxes out and that he shipped the 85 packs without a box and he offered to send a new 85 box? And he was out of 1978 boxes? If anyone is friends with the DA card world folks, we could ask them if they shipped a 78 box last week as well just to verify or reject small parts the various allegations.
I opened all of my original break packs now except the 76/77 packs that I left unopened. I do not see evidence of tempering on the 77 pack, but I'm slightly skeptical of the 76 pack. I think I swapped my 79 pack into my raw pack personal collection as an upgrade, and if so, it looks perfectly legit. Sadly, I did not closely analyze the other packs I've already opened, so I can't pass accurate judgment on those, and the wrappers are now mixed in a large stack. If Steve wants to view a 76 pack unopened to analyze, I'll be happy to send mine over so we can begin to settle this, since IMO the seal is not great on it.
I didn't open those 2/3 packs mentioned above, so my results are not complete, but I can at least say my results were not great. The highest book value cards were a Lawrence Taylor In Action card and an 84 Marcus Allen, that either might sell for $1 on the street. But, I'm not really unhappy with the card selection. I'm only unhappy if this whole pack rip turns out to be a sham. >>
A few points...
Waiting on Gary or Steve about the 85 "box" and I am pretty sure that he was out of 78 boxes.
Hopefully Steve will let us know if he will inspect unopened packs of people to check them.
As for your findings in your packs, it truly is a crap shoot opening ONE pack from a given box/case. I have opened tons of packs from tons of boxes and cases and many had nothing of value or the whole pack o/c etc...
I don't know if Gary is guilty of anything here, but it certainly doesn't look good. As he has proclaimed, he is an unopened 80s junkie, so what is up with the partial 78bb vending box from NESC? Most here know they are 4SC's dumping id of stuff that won't grade. That tied to the then impending 78 rip is a little coincidental.
And the bar wax collage? He needed 36 84 fb wrappers a week before he suggested a 84 fb case rip?
Most of the findings hardly would "convict" Gary in the court of law, but there are too many instances for most people to think he is on the up and up.
It is stupid to think he could/would search every pack, logistically that just can't happen. But one box out of a case, or 6 packs of the 4-5 key years in this rip could have been what happened.
Who knows, and we will never know. I do know this, Gary has done his last rip on the CU forum. For better or worse, the torch will have to be passed.
Another thing to note...Search for Bob's hockey rip. Gretzky's and HOF rcs were flying off the hook! How many Payton's have been posted in this thread? The set sizes are about the same and the per box #'s would approx add up.
The coincidences are abound. Would Iraq hang him from the evidence? Probably not. Would a US jury find him guilty? Again, probably not. But should trust be lost? Well, you have to answer that for yourself. I know that I will never buy something that Gary is responsible for shipping again.
Yes zef I agree i want you all to send packs to steve to verify the authenticity. i will post a thread and say my peace. all i want yoy guys to know is these rips were all legit and i will explain the ebay allegations and anyone with a buisness brain will be able to see the truth.
These wrappers were bought within 2 days of the time the payments here were finalized. What a convenient time to be creating a "bar tabletop" of 1976 Topps football and 1984 Topps football wrappers, or hatching a brilliant business plan to sell wrappers, lots, and boxes together, or whatever the reason of the day is for this disgrace. Zef, if you do eventually talk to Steve, mention I'm willing to send in my 76 pack anytime with a postpaid return method and pre-addressed label, to make it easy. That said, I don't want to drag him into this unless he offers. He's too good a person for us to demand more of his time and drag him deeper into this debacle.
It is amazing that the bar table top design being planned has wrappers from some of the most expensive packs from our rip, and was being built right as we were planning and ripping here!
Oh, and now that it is probably done, please post a picture of that beautiful wax wrapper-themed bar you have!
<< Another thing to note...Search for Bob's hockey rip. Gretzky's and HOF rcs were flying off the hook! How many Payton's have been posted in this thread? The set sizes are about the same and the per box #'s would approx add up. >>
Thank you Zef!
Myself and the others that have hosted wax rips shouldn't be grouped in with 80's.
It's disheartening to see some of the comments about "middlemen" and "only if Steve Hart ships" this is really not fair to us other hosts.
TO GARY!.....You are quilty as sin! Shame on you for bringing this BS to our boards. I hope you are prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Answer the questions and stop playing the victim. And F**K you for that BS about donating to that kids charity. Show some proof that you aren't the scumbag who opened packs and sent reseals out in their place.
Every member on these boards has a right to voice their opinion on this matter and there's mine!
To all the other board members who are speaking legal mumbo jumbo and ALMOST defending this guy....WTF! Grow a set of balls and call a snake a snake!
Do you need a safe to fall on your head?
I've seen enough proof! Opinion formed and stated!
<< <i>We've got enough anger and hatred on these boards right now. Can we keep it at least pointed towards Gary, please.
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I actually laughed out loud at that one
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
ill make the same post here as i did with the basketball rips if you havent riped your packs send em back i have no problem refunding. I have nothing to hide hear and dont know what you expect me to say . I am innocent of all accusations and obviously thats not good enough.
If you were outted on ebay these guys would have torn you apart. But for some reason we have to tread lightly because it happened here....BS again.
You're a thief and a cheat and a criminal. You better get your story straight for the Feds pal!
Tom - I'm not attacking other board members. Part of the reason why I'm so mad is because this scum has taken advantage of all of us. He's invaded our little sanctuary if you will and pissed all over it.
Someone mentioned "divide and conquer". I suspect that's his MO and a few of us are buying into it.
I've seen enough evidence. What are we 24 hours into this and he's done what? Delete posts and offer a couple refunds? He's just trying to cover his azz to make this go away. He hasn't proved he is innocent. Please don't tell me innocent till proven quilty. Look at the facts for proof.
The next time anyone here wants to know whats wrong with this hobby....remember this incident.
I would love to see the manifest to see if the cards arrived Friday or Tuesday or what ever day . They had to be signed for , no matter where he bought them from. This is unbelievable easy to show as proof on his part if there were nothing to hide.
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Opps, I completely forgot that Sanders was all ready in the HOF. Explains why I collect primarily baseball.
if you look carefully campbell, allen and sanders are all hof rbs. i even think they went in in that order. dont think craig has much of a shot, then levens might as well. neither were dominant players.
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<< <i>I believe it was stated that not all packs were probably searched as to make it way to obvious as to what was going on. You were probably one of the lucky ones. >>
Excellent point.
I got a Dorsett RC and there has been a Payton, Largent, Campbell, and Rice pictured so far.
There certainly has been NO concrete evidence but the findings have been pretty damning. Especially tied with Gary editing MANY of his posts, WTF is with that? >>
Looking through the scans posted I have come up with the following tally so far. Payton, Largent, Allen(2), Campbell, Sanders(2), Dorsett, Montana, Rice(2), Elway, Dickerson, and Randy White.
That would be 10 of the 19 possible rookies in this break that have a PSA 10 value of $300 or more. The ones that have yet to be posted are Too Tall Jones, Webster, Newsome, Taylor, Long, Moon, Reggie White, Marino, and Young. Of course their conditions vary in our scans. I was never a collector of football during this time period so I do not know if our results and card conditions are typical. Some of the missing rookies may still be in the packs of those who could resist the urge to rip on arrival.
Still questions do, and should linger concerning the integrity of this rip. Hopefully some answers will come to the light of day.
I got an 86 young. an 82 Lott and a 81 Winslow. they wont be 10's. maybe a 9 but most likely an 8. which is pretty normal. that is what most of my cards have graded that i pulled from wax, cello or rax back in the day the were sitting on the shelf for say 35-50 cents a pack.
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<< <i>I believe it was stated that not all packs were probably searched as to make it way to obvious as to what was going on. You were probably one of the lucky ones. >>
Excellent point.
I got a Dorsett RC and there has been a Payton, Largent, Campbell, and Rice pictured so far.
There certainly has been NO concrete evidence but the findings have been pretty damning. Especially tied with Gary editing MANY of his posts, WTF is with that? >>
Looking through the scans posted I have come up with the following tally so far. Payton, Largent, Allen(2), Campbell, Sanders(2), Dorsett, Montana, Rice(2), Elway, Dickerson, and Randy White.
That would be 10 of the 19 possible rookies in this break that have a PSA 10 value of $300 or more. The ones that have yet to be posted are Too Tall Jones, Webster, Newsome, Taylor, Long, Moon, Reggie White, Marino, and Young. Of course their conditions vary in our scans. I was never a collector of football during this time period so I do not know if our results and card conditions are typical. Some of the missing rookies may still be in the packs of those who could resist the urge to rip on arrival.
Still questions do, and should linger concerning the integrity of this rip. Hopefully some answers will come to the light of day. >>
Please note that "Lucky Gary" got a Rice and a Sanders
<< <i>I believe it was stated that not all packs were probably searched as to make it way to obvious as to what was going on. You were probably one of the lucky ones. >>
Excellent point.
I got a Dorsett RC and there has been a Payton, Largent, Campbell, and Rice pictured so far.
There certainly has been NO concrete evidence but the findings have been pretty damning. Especially tied with Gary editing MANY of his posts, WTF is with that? >>
Looking through the scans posted I have come up with the following tally so far. Payton, Largent, Allen(2), Campbell, Sanders(2), Dorsett, Montana, Rice(2), Elway, Dickerson, and Randy White.
That would be 10 of the 19 possible rookies in this break that have a PSA 10 value of $300 or more. The ones that have yet to be posted are Too Tall Jones, Webster, Newsome, Taylor, Long, Moon, Reggie White, Marino, and Young. Of course their conditions vary in our scans. I was never a collector of football during this time period so I do not know if our results and card conditions are typical. Some of the missing rookies may still be in the packs of those who could resist the urge to rip on arrival.
Still questions do, and should linger concerning the integrity of this rip. Hopefully some answers will come to the light of day. >>
I don't think anyone has pulled a 1984 Jackie Slater or Dwight Stephenson yet. They are both HOF rc's
I live in Ohio so you can imagine my excitement when I got all these Ohio teams:
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<< <i>He must have left those in because he thought no one would want them. >>
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I might as well post the rest of my rips since it's 'tainted' and folks won't be posting much I think. Nice centering on the Jackie Slater in my '84, but not much more.....
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<< <i>I believe it was stated that not all packs were probably searched as to make it way to obvious as to what was going on. You were probably one of the lucky ones. >>
Excellent point.
I got a Dorsett RC and there has been a Payton, Largent, Campbell, and Rice pictured so far.
There certainly has been NO concrete evidence but the findings have been pretty damning. Especially tied with Gary editing MANY of his posts, WTF is with that? >>
Looking through the scans posted I have come up with the following tally so far. Payton, Largent, Allen(2), Campbell, Sanders(2), Dorsett, Montana, Rice(2), Elway, Dickerson, and Randy White.
That would be 10 of the 19 possible rookies in this break that have a PSA 10 value of $300 or more. The ones that have yet to be posted are Too Tall Jones, Webster, Newsome, Taylor, Long, Moon, Reggie White, Marino, and Young. Of course their conditions vary in our scans. I was never a collector of football during this time period so I do not know if our results and card conditions are typical. Some of the missing rookies may still be in the packs of those who could resist the urge to rip on arrival.
Still questions do, and should linger concerning the integrity of this rip. Hopefully some answers will come to the light of day. >>
The only pack I opened was the 89 score (got Bruce Smith & Roger Craig All pro's like Arny).
I'll volunteer to send my 76 thru 81 packs to PSA for grading. I've been collecting 70's wax packs since 1997 and IMO they look legit.
My concern is that the packs with the key cards showing were pulled out before the random selections took place. I can clearly see both the bottom card (Lem Barney) and the top card (Fred Dryer) on my 76 pack. Also, if the sequence for pulling the Payton RC is known, that can be used to pull packs out.
So are we still ripping our packs or has everyone lost interest in light of recent developments?
Some of these from the 1980's are basically only 3 or 4 dollar packs anyway and the 1989 Score packs can't be messed with so I was thinking that I'd go ahead and rip and post scans.
If some feel that would be in bad taste, let me know and I'll just open them under the bed with only Cocoa my pet monkey looking on ...
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Good point. I doubt Steve would ship a complete box that way.
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Gary. I would like to recommend that the '85 box you receive from Steve Hart be distributed amongst those in the rip as a sign of good faith, at your shipping cost.
Should be easy enough to do as you have all of our addresses!
MrG
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<< <i>The eagle has landed!!! We have most of the boxes actually everything showed up today except for the 78 box. Had to order that from dacw becuase steve sold out before I placed the order. But heres a pick for us all to start drooling. Cant wait to crack this 76 box. it will be my first gai box crack
Just out of curiosity, why aren't the 85 packs in a box? >>
Ha! We were thinking the same thing. The '85s were water damaged, right? BBCE would have caught that, right?
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<< <i>Ha! We were thinking the same thing. The '85s were water damaged, right? BBCE would have caught that, right?
Not always. Steve actually told me that could totally have been on him which is why he was willing to replace it.
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<< <i>stown, Did u participate in any of these rip's? If not. what is your gripe? >>
His *gripe* MIGHT be that many of his friends have been ripped off.
Switch back to 80s handle MrG and answer some questions. nevermind. You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used againxt you. you have the right to an attorney......
Please PM me your address, and I will send u from England, the Dan Hampton, and an Eric Idle looking Mark McGuire card from the Huntsville Stars!
Cheers,
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<< <i>Rana, Thanks for the interest. Could u tell me which year of the Dan Hampton u found?
Please PM me your address, and I will send u from England, the Dan Hampton, and an Eric Idle looking Mark McGuire card from the Huntsville Stars!
Cheers,
MrG >>
I think that would put a lot of people at ease that you and Gary are not one in the same. A fine gesture.
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<< <i>Wow. Got home from work and started reading the other post and just finished. Pretty overwhelmingly convincing, and a huge disappointment because the rips have been a lot of fun. But all the packs cannot have been searched - I pulled this from the 81 pack.
Holy underwear!
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<< <i>I believe it was stated that not all packs were probably searched as to make it way to obvious as to what was going on. You were probably one of the lucky ones. >>
Excellent point.
I got a Dorsett RC and there has been a Payton, Largent, Campbell, and Rice pictured so far.
There certainly has been NO concrete evidence but the findings have been pretty damning. Especially tied with Gary editing MANY of his posts, WTF is with that?
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It's a PSA 8 at best (bottom corner is frayed) --- but it was still fun pulling it from a pack.
Everything else in the entire bust was complete crap.
-t
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<< <i>Rana, Thanks for the interest. Could u tell me which year of the Dan Hampton u found?
Please PM me your address, and I will send u from England, the Dan Hampton
Cheers, MrG >>
Thanks, I'll PM you my address. The Hampton card is 1981 Topps. Dan grew up close fairly to my hometown, so I met him a couple of times. I appreciate the gesture. I'll also be happy to vouch for the postmark I get, in case there are still people who believe you are Gary from California in disguise.
<< <i>Zef, The only post that I know of that Gary stopped was his offer on the '84 football packs. All of the other speculated edits were from myself on all of the pictures I replaced by going to photobucket. The rant from Gary about someone PM'ing him in regards to making money on the '78 rip is still 14 entries from the bottom of page 1. >>
There actually have been several edits by him in this rip itself. That is eerie.
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I opened all of my original break packs now except the 76/77 packs that I left unopened. I do not see evidence of tempering on the 77 pack, but I'm slightly skeptical of the 76 pack. I think I swapped my 79 pack into my raw pack personal collection as an upgrade, and if so, it looks perfectly legit. Sadly, I did not closely analyze the other packs I've already opened, so I can't pass accurate judgment on those, and the wrappers are now mixed in a large stack. If Steve wants to view a 76 pack unopened to analyze, I'll be happy to send mine over so we can begin to settle this, since IMO the seal is not great on it.
I didn't open those 2/3 packs mentioned above, so my results are not complete, but I can at least say my results were not great. The highest book value cards were a Lawrence Taylor In Action card and an 84 Marcus Allen, that either might sell for $1 on the street. But, I'm not really unhappy with the card selection. I'm only unhappy if this whole pack rip turns out to be a sham.
<< <i>Did anyone verify with Steve the basics of this box break? That he did ship these boxes out and that he shipped the 85 packs without a box and he offered to send a new 85 box? And he was out of 1978 boxes? If anyone is friends with the DA card world folks, we could ask them if they shipped a 78 box last week as well just to verify or reject small parts the various allegations.
I opened all of my original break packs now except the 76/77 packs that I left unopened. I do not see evidence of tempering on the 77 pack, but I'm slightly skeptical of the 76 pack. I think I swapped my 79 pack into my raw pack personal collection as an upgrade, and if so, it looks perfectly legit. Sadly, I did not closely analyze the other packs I've already opened, so I can't pass accurate judgment on those, and the wrappers are now mixed in a large stack. If Steve wants to view a 76 pack unopened to analyze, I'll be happy to send mine over so we can begin to settle this, since IMO the seal is not great on it.
I didn't open those 2/3 packs mentioned above, so my results are not complete, but I can at least say my results were not great. The highest book value cards were a Lawrence Taylor In Action card and an 84 Marcus Allen, that either might sell for $1 on the street. But, I'm not really unhappy with the card selection. I'm only unhappy if this whole pack rip turns out to be a sham. >>
A few points...
Waiting on Gary or Steve about the 85 "box" and I am pretty sure that he was out of 78 boxes.
Hopefully Steve will let us know if he will inspect unopened packs of people to check them.
As for your findings in your packs, it truly is a crap shoot opening ONE pack from a given box/case. I have opened tons of packs from tons of boxes and cases and many had nothing of value or the whole pack o/c etc...
I don't know if Gary is guilty of anything here, but it certainly doesn't look good. As he has proclaimed, he is an unopened 80s junkie, so what is up with the partial 78bb vending box from NESC? Most here know they are 4SC's dumping id of stuff that won't grade. That tied to the then impending 78 rip is a little coincidental.
And the bar wax collage? He needed 36 84 fb wrappers a week before he suggested a 84 fb case rip?
Most of the findings hardly would "convict" Gary in the court of law, but there are too many instances for most people to think he is on the up and up.
It is stupid to think he could/would search every pack, logistically that just can't happen. But one box out of a case, or 6 packs of the 4-5 key years in this rip could have been what happened.
Who knows, and we will never know. I do know this, Gary has done his last rip on the CU forum. For better or worse, the torch will have to be passed.
Another thing to note...Search for Bob's hockey rip. Gretzky's and HOF rcs were flying off the hook! How many Payton's have been posted in this thread? The set sizes are about the same and the per box #'s would approx add up.
The coincidences are abound. Would Iraq hang him from the evidence? Probably not. Would a US jury find him guilty? Again, probably not. But should trust be lost? Well, you have to answer that for yourself. I know that I will never buy something that Gary is responsible for shipping again.
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Agree 100%.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320079169926
These wrappers were bought within 2 days of the time the payments here were finalized. What a convenient time to be creating a "bar tabletop" of 1976 Topps football and 1984 Topps football wrappers, or hatching a brilliant business plan to sell wrappers, lots, and boxes together, or whatever the reason of the day is for this disgrace. Zef, if you do eventually talk to Steve, mention I'm willing to send in my 76 pack anytime with a postpaid return method and pre-addressed label, to make it easy. That said, I don't want to drag him into this unless he offers. He's too good a person for us to demand more of his time and drag him deeper into this debacle.
More 76 wrappers:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320082003468
1984 Wrappers:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330082925816
These 76/77/84/81 card lots were probably bought too late to be in our packs, but they should show up in packs for sale on eBay soon, under a new used ID:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330090827358
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330090827370
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140085567271
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1976 and 1977 wrappers bought right as our lots were shipping, but possibly too late to be in our shipments:
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130081248697
It is amazing that the bar table top design being planned has wrappers from some of the most expensive packs from our rip, and was being built right as we were planning and ripping here!
Oh, and now that it is probably done, please post a picture of that beautiful wax wrapper-themed bar you have!
[Edited to add more examples]
Beautiful Elway! In England, he would almost be accused of 'flippin" someone off with the two-finger sign!
Love It!
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MrG
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Thank you Zef!
Myself and the others that have hosted wax rips shouldn't be grouped in with 80's.
It's disheartening to see some of the comments about "middlemen" and "only if Steve Hart ships" this is really not fair to us other hosts.
TO GARY!.....You are quilty as sin! Shame on you for bringing this BS to our boards. I hope you are prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Answer the questions and stop playing the victim. And F**K you for that BS about donating to that kids charity. Show some proof that you aren't the scumbag who opened packs and sent reseals out in their place.
Every member on these boards has a right to voice their opinion on this matter and there's mine!
To all the other board members who are speaking legal mumbo jumbo and ALMOST defending this guy....WTF! Grow a set of balls and call a snake a snake!
Do you need a safe to fall on your head?
I've seen enough proof! Opinion formed and stated!
Bob C.
61 Topps (100%) 7.96
62 Parkhurst (100%) 8.70
63 Topps (100%) 7.96
63 York WB's (50%) 8.52
68 Topps (39%) 8.54
69 Topps (3%) 9.00
69 OPC (83%) 8.21
71 Topps (100%) 9.21 #1 A.T.F.
72 Topps (100%) 9.39
73 Topps (13%) 9.35
74 OPC WHA (95%) 8.57
75 Topps (50%) 9.23
77 OPC WHA (86%) 8.62 #1 A.T.F.
88 Topps (5%) 10.00
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To all the other board members who are speaking legal mumbo jumbo and ALMOST defending this guy....WTF! Grow a set of balls and call a snake a snake!
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Uh --- why the personal attack on those that may not share your opinion 100%
We've got enough anger and hatred on these boards right now. Can we keep it at least pointed towards Gary, please.
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------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
<< <i>We've got enough anger and hatred on these boards right now. Can we keep it at least pointed towards Gary, please.
I actually laughed out loud at that one
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To all the other board members who are speaking legal mumbo jumbo and ALMOST defending this guy....WTF! Grow a set of balls and call a snake a snake!
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Uh --- why the personal attack on those that may not share your opinion 100%
We've got enough anger and hatred on these boards right now. Can we keep it at least pointed towards Gary, please.
Hey now-- nothing says 'courage' like calling someone a name on an Internet message board. Alvin York has NOTHING on the guys on the CU boards.
Stop playing the victim.
Wrappers for your bar....BS
The 86 BK box is not the same box....BS
You want the extra cards to donate to kids....BS
If you were outted on ebay these guys would have torn you apart. But for some reason we have to tread lightly because it happened here....BS again.
You're a thief and a cheat and a criminal. You better get your story straight for the Feds pal!
Tom - I'm not attacking other board members. Part of the reason why I'm so mad is because this scum has taken advantage of all of us. He's invaded our little sanctuary if you will and pissed all over it.
Someone mentioned "divide and conquer". I suspect that's his MO and a few of us are buying into it.
I've seen enough evidence. What are we 24 hours into this and he's
done what? Delete posts and offer a couple refunds? He's just trying to cover his azz to make this go away. He hasn't proved he is innocent. Please don't tell me innocent till proven quilty. Look at the facts for proof.
The next time anyone here wants to know whats wrong with this hobby....remember this incident.
I'm so disgusted by this.
I'm out! Bob C.
61 Topps (100%) 7.96
62 Parkhurst (100%) 8.70
63 Topps (100%) 7.96
63 York WB's (50%) 8.52
68 Topps (39%) 8.54
69 Topps (3%) 9.00
69 OPC (83%) 8.21
71 Topps (100%) 9.21 #1 A.T.F.
72 Topps (100%) 9.39
73 Topps (13%) 9.35
74 OPC WHA (95%) 8.57
75 Topps (50%) 9.23
77 OPC WHA (86%) 8.62 #1 A.T.F.
88 Topps (5%) 10.00
No Montanas, Elways, Marinos, or Paytons.
However four running back rookies.
Two presently in the HOF. Another an absolute lock. And the fourth a possibilty someday.
Opps, I completely forgot that Sanders was all ready in the HOF. Explains why I collect primarily baseball.
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<< <i>I believe it was stated that not all packs were probably searched as to make it way to obvious as to what was going on. You were probably one of the lucky ones. >>
Excellent point.
I got a Dorsett RC and there has been a Payton, Largent, Campbell, and Rice pictured so far.
There certainly has been NO concrete evidence but the findings have been pretty damning. Especially tied with Gary editing MANY of his posts, WTF is with that? >>
Looking through the scans posted I have come up with the following tally so far.
Payton, Largent, Allen(2), Campbell, Sanders(2), Dorsett, Montana, Rice(2), Elway, Dickerson, and Randy White.
That would be 10 of the 19 possible rookies in this break that have a PSA 10 value of $300 or more.
The ones that have yet to be posted are Too Tall Jones, Webster, Newsome, Taylor, Long, Moon, Reggie White, Marino, and Young.
Of course their conditions vary in our scans. I was never a collector of football during this time period so I do not know if our results and card conditions are typical. Some of the missing rookies may still be in the packs of those who could resist the urge to rip on arrival.
Still questions do, and should linger concerning the integrity of this rip. Hopefully some answers will come to the light of day.
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Brett Favre Master Set
Favre Ticket Stubs
Favre TD Reciever Autos
Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set
Football HOF Rc's
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<< <i>I believe it was stated that not all packs were probably searched as to make it way to obvious as to what was going on. You were probably one of the lucky ones. >>
Excellent point.
I got a Dorsett RC and there has been a Payton, Largent, Campbell, and Rice pictured so far.
There certainly has been NO concrete evidence but the findings have been pretty damning. Especially tied with Gary editing MANY of his posts, WTF is with that? >>
Looking through the scans posted I have come up with the following tally so far.
Payton, Largent, Allen(2), Campbell, Sanders(2), Dorsett, Montana, Rice(2), Elway, Dickerson, and Randy White.
That would be 10 of the 19 possible rookies in this break that have a PSA 10 value of $300 or more.
The ones that have yet to be posted are Too Tall Jones, Webster, Newsome, Taylor, Long, Moon, Reggie White, Marino, and Young.
Of course their conditions vary in our scans. I was never a collector of football during this time period so I do not know if our results and card conditions are typical. Some of the missing rookies may still be in the packs of those who could resist the urge to rip on arrival.
Still questions do, and should linger concerning the integrity of this rip. Hopefully some answers will come to the light of day. >>
Please note that "Lucky Gary" got a Rice and a Sanders
but i did get a nice looking moon rookie, and a 76 staubach and 76 oj from my pulls
rest was crap.
i still want a refund for the basketball packs coming to me though.
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<< <i>I believe it was stated that not all packs were probably searched as to make it way to obvious as to what was going on. You were probably one of the lucky ones. >>
Excellent point.
I got a Dorsett RC and there has been a Payton, Largent, Campbell, and Rice pictured so far.
There certainly has been NO concrete evidence but the findings have been pretty damning. Especially tied with Gary editing MANY of his posts, WTF is with that? >>
Looking through the scans posted I have come up with the following tally so far.
Payton, Largent, Allen(2), Campbell, Sanders(2), Dorsett, Montana, Rice(2), Elway, Dickerson, and Randy White.
That would be 10 of the 19 possible rookies in this break that have a PSA 10 value of $300 or more.
The ones that have yet to be posted are Too Tall Jones, Webster, Newsome, Taylor, Long, Moon, Reggie White, Marino, and Young.
Of course their conditions vary in our scans. I was never a collector of football during this time period so I do not know if our results and card conditions are typical. Some of the missing rookies may still be in the packs of those who could resist the urge to rip on arrival.
Still questions do, and should linger concerning the integrity of this rip. Hopefully some answers will come to the light of day. >>
I don't think anyone has pulled a 1984 Jackie Slater or Dwight Stephenson yet. They are both HOF rc's
I got a Stephenson as well as a 1989 Sanders..
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He must have left those in because he thought no one would want them.
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<< <i>I believe it was stated that not all packs were probably searched as to make it way to obvious as to what was going on. You were probably one of the lucky ones. >>
Excellent point.
I got a Dorsett RC and there has been a Payton, Largent, Campbell, and Rice pictured so far.
There certainly has been NO concrete evidence but the findings have been pretty damning. Especially tied with Gary editing MANY of his posts, WTF is with that? >>
Looking through the scans posted I have come up with the following tally so far.
Payton, Largent, Allen(2), Campbell, Sanders(2), Dorsett, Montana, Rice(2), Elway, Dickerson, and Randy White.
That would be 10 of the 19 possible rookies in this break that have a PSA 10 value of $300 or more.
The ones that have yet to be posted are Too Tall Jones, Webster, Newsome, Taylor, Long, Moon, Reggie White, Marino, and Young.
Of course their conditions vary in our scans. I was never a collector of football during this time period so I do not know if our results and card conditions are typical. Some of the missing rookies may still be in the packs of those who could resist the urge to rip on arrival.
Still questions do, and should linger concerning the integrity of this rip. Hopefully some answers will come to the light of day. >>
The only pack I opened was the 89 score (got Bruce Smith & Roger Craig All pro's like Arny).
I'll volunteer to send my 76 thru 81 packs to PSA for grading. I've been collecting 70's wax packs since 1997 and IMO they look legit.
My concern is that the packs with the key cards showing were pulled out before the random selections took place. I can clearly see both the bottom card (Lem Barney) and the top card (Fred Dryer) on my 76 pack. Also, if the sequence for pulling the Payton RC is known, that can be used to pull packs out.
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
So are we still ripping our packs
or has everyone lost interest in light of recent developments?
Some of these from the 1980's are basically only 3 or 4 dollar packs anyway
and the 1989 Score packs can't be messed with so I was thinking that I'd go ahead and rip and post scans.
If some feel that would be in bad taste,
let me know and I'll just open them under the bed with only Cocoa my pet monkey looking on ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"