@dfr52 said:
I am in the Brees camp as well. The stats show that he out performed Rodgers .
The stats show he outperformed everyone, including Brady, no disputing that....I wonder what Rodgers numbers would be had he played his home games in a Dome v. Lambeau? Or with Sean Payton calling his plays? Strange that Brees was never considered the best QB in the league in any given year tho...0 First Team All-Pro selection...VERY low vote totals over such a long career with such large numbers...I think it's safe to say that the HOF voters are able to place that "handicap" on Brees numbers due to the variables listed above? Or do you believe there has been some conspiracy against Brees, who IMO is one of if not the nicest NFL players I've ever met or been around?
No conspiracy, Brees just bested Rodgers statistically for the decade. As far as the coaching goes Mike McCarthy might not be Sean Payton but he can win games as well. If Rodgers did not want to play in Green Bay he could of refused the contracts he has signed over the years. It is fair to wonder what weather or scheme play into a players performance but I don't believe those can be used to discount a players production.
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@dfr52 said:
I am in the Brees camp as well. The stats show that he out performed Rodgers .
The stats show he outperformed everyone, including Brady, no disputing that....I wonder what Rodgers numbers would be had he played his home games in a Dome v. Lambeau? Or with Sean Payton calling his plays? Strange that Brees was never considered the best QB in the league in any given year tho...0 First Team All-Pro selection...VERY low vote totals over such a long career with such large numbers...I think it's safe to say that the HOF voters are able to place that "handicap" on Brees numbers due to the variables listed above? Or do you believe there has been some conspiracy against Brees, who IMO is one of if not the nicest NFL players I've ever met or been around?
No conspiracy, Brees just bested Rodgers statistically for the decade. As far as the coaching goes Mike McCarthy might not be Sean Payton but he can win games as well. If Rodgers did not want to play in Green Bay he could of refused the contracts he has signed over the years. It is fair to wonder what weather or scheme play into a players performance but I don't believe those can be used to discount a players production.
So then why has Brees, who has statistically outperformed everyone for the decade...Not been an MVP, not been a first team All-Pro, and was not selected to the All-Decade team?
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@sufferingbillsfan said:
The 2015 Topps #273 for Marshal Yanda
There is a gold version #'d to 2015 and and All-Pro version of this card. Which one are you thinking?
I would put the gold version in the same category as a refractor. Nice to have, but not the rookie that should be on set as it is an insert.
@dfr52 said:
I am in the Brees camp as well. The stats show that he out performed Rodgers .
The stats show he outperformed everyone, including Brady, no disputing that....I wonder what Rodgers numbers would be had he played his home games in a Dome v. Lambeau? Or with Sean Payton calling his plays? Strange that Brees was never considered the best QB in the league in any given year tho...0 First Team All-Pro selection...VERY low vote totals over such a long career with such large numbers...I think it's safe to say that the HOF voters are able to place that "handicap" on Brees numbers due to the variables listed above? Or do you believe there has been some conspiracy against Brees, who IMO is one of if not the nicest NFL players I've ever met or been around?
No conspiracy, Brees just bested Rodgers statistically for the decade. As far as the coaching goes Mike McCarthy might not be Sean Payton but he can win games as well. If Rodgers did not want to play in Green Bay he could of refused the contracts he has signed over the years. It is fair to wonder what weather or scheme play into a players performance but I don't believe those can be used to discount a players production.
How many of these moments dod Brees have in the teens?
@dfr52 said:
I am in the Brees camp as well. The stats show that he out performed Rodgers .
The stats show he outperformed everyone, including Brady, no disputing that....I wonder what Rodgers numbers would be had he played his home games in a Dome v. Lambeau? Or with Sean Payton calling his plays? Strange that Brees was never considered the best QB in the league in any given year tho...0 First Team All-Pro selection...VERY low vote totals over such a long career with such large numbers...I think it's safe to say that the HOF voters are able to place that "handicap" on Brees numbers due to the variables listed above? Or do you believe there has been some conspiracy against Brees, who IMO is one of if not the nicest NFL players I've ever met or been around?
No conspiracy, Brees just bested Rodgers statistically for the decade. As far as the coaching goes Mike McCarthy might not be Sean Payton but he can win games as well. If Rodgers did not want to play in Green Bay he could of refused the contracts he has signed over the years. It is fair to wonder what weather or scheme play into a players performance but I don't believe those can be used to discount a players production.
How many of these moments dod Brees have in the teens?
Yet, not many votes for first Team All-Pro or MVP...Weird...Must be a conspiracy among the 50 AP MVP/All-Pro voters and the 55 HOF All-Decade Team voters...
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Yet, not many votes for first Team All-Pro or MVP...Weird...Must be a conspiracy among the 50 AP MVP/All-Pro voters and the 55 HOF All-Decade Team voters...
Stats don't lie, but voters have biases. I don't think it's a conspiracy and wouldn't call the voters lazy idiots, but an either/or proposition isn't out of the question. Rodgers clearly has a mobility edge, at the expense of additional missed games, but I can't find a single passing metric that shows him to be a better QB over the decade.
Yet, not many votes for first Team All-Pro or MVP...Weird...Must be a conspiracy among the 50 AP MVP/All-Pro voters and the 55 HOF All-Decade Team voters...
Stats don't lie, but voters have biases. I don't think it's a conspiracy and wouldn't call the voters lazy idiots, but an either/or proposition isn't out of the question. Rodgers clearly has a mobility edge, at the expense of additional missed games, but I can't find a single passing metric that shows him to be a better QB over the decade.
I've never heard a single writer/voter have a bias AGAINST Drew Brees...His quite literally one of the most liked and respected in the game..I would say he's more liked and respected among the voters than even Tom Brady...
I think the issue/problem is that you are using stats to tell the complete story, when most serious football historians/fans tend to look at the full picture and not just the stats...Frank Gore has more rushing yards than Jim Brown, so he must be the better player? Stats are important, but if you truly watch and study the game, they rarely tell the full truth on a players value to his team and to the game...And only partially explain the talents you see(or dont see) on the field..
IMO, Brees is the 4th best QB of his era...Tom Brady, Peyton Manning are clearly the best, and honestly don't care much what the numbers say..That's based on watching all of their games/snaps...Debate can be had between Brees and Rodgers, Brees has bigger numbers and more years under Center..Rodgers has had the more dominant/MVP/1st Team All-Pro level seasons...Neither has yet to really have any BAD seasons...When it comes to the decade of 2010-2019, watching Rodgers and then watching Brees, IMO Rodgers has clearly been the better QB..Not just due to mobility either, but making big game changing plays when needed...
I'm perfectly fine with anyone who thinks Brees was better because his numbers were bigger...But that doesn't mean I agree, nor does it mean the HOF voters or AP All-Pro/MVP voters were wrong or bias in their votes..There are plenty of other players that have a bigger argument for that than Drew Brees, that's for sure...
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@sufferingbillsfan said:
Any input on what Bobby Wagner's designated RC might be? Prizm? Rookies and Stars?
Last informal "poll" I took, it seemed to be Elite was the choice, due to the numbering to 999. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seemed that's the way the opinion was swaying.
I think the Prizm makes the most sense. My 2nd choice would be Rookies and Stars followed by Crown Royale. Prizm seems to be the card of choice in the most recent years.
@sufferingbillsfan said:
Any input on what Bobby Wagner's designated RC might be? Prizm? Rookies and Stars?
Last informal "poll" I took, it seemed to be Elite was the choice, due to the numbering to 999. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seemed that's the way the opinion was swaying.
I would vote for the Elite. Numbered makes it more limited than the other choices and the dark background at the top should make it a more difficult card to get a high grade than Prizm.
@sufferingbillsfan said:
Any input on what Bobby Wagner's designated RC might be? Prizm? Rookies and Stars?
Last informal "poll" I took, it seemed to be Elite was the choice, due to the numbering to 999. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seemed that's the way the opinion was swaying.
Elite or Prizm I would think.
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Hi guys, I’m looking for the 2001 Topps Chrome #282 Richard Seymour RC
All the rookies in the 2001 set are refractors, so that’s the Seymour I’m looking for. I’m looking for either a raw copy or a PSA 7. Please let me know if you have one you'd sell.
I’m guessing you mean besides Manning and Woodson🙂. I think Faneca gets in this year. Not sure about the other 2 spots. Plenty of players to choose from though.
@Doc1962 said:
Since it appears football may be back soon, I’m hoping; any early thoughts on who might be included in the next NFL HOF Class? Any early favorites?
My early top 5 modern candidates for 2020:
Peyton Manning
Charles Woodson
Tony Boselli
John Lynch
Richard Seymour
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@Doc1962 said:
Since it appears football may be back soon, I’m hoping; any early thoughts on who might be included in the next NFL HOF Class? Any early favorites?
My early top 5 modern candidates for 2020:
Peyton Manning
Charles Woodson
Tony Boselli
John Lynch
Richard Seymour
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@Doc1962 said:
Since it appears football may be back soon, I’m hoping; any early thoughts on who might be included in the next NFL HOF Class? Any early favorites?
My early top 5 modern candidates for 2020:
Peyton Manning
Charles Woodson
Tony Boselli
John Lynch
Richard Seymour
I hope Faneca gets one of those bottom 3 spots.
He may need to jump Boselli, which is certainly possible now that Hutchinson won't be taking the Interior OL votes..Boselli has been 6th in voting multiple times the past 4 HOF classes though...One of them should get in this year 100%, maybe even both....The top 4 seem pretty strong based in the two first ballot guys and how close Lynch/Boselli have been..But that 5th spot, likely up for grabs..
4 out of the last 6 classes, the 5th Modern selection was a bit of a wildcard..Meaning they were not 1st ballot and did not make the cut to 10 the previous year.
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@mrvgex said:
Why hasn’t Isiah Robertson gotten more votes for the HOF? He was a four-time first team All-Pro and two-time second team All-Pro during his career, and considered one of the most dominant linebackers in the game.
Based on my tracking of senior committee voting/process over the past 15-20 years, it would seem that Robertson is behind these Linebackers in the pecking order of Senior Candidates..
RANDY GRADISHAR
TOMMY NOBIS
MAXIE BAUGHAN
MIKE CURTIS
CHUCK HOWLEY
ANDY RUSSELL
LEE ROY JORDAN
Combine that with the fact that the following LBs were recent Senior committee selections/HOF inductions:
ROBERT BRAZILE-Class of 2018
DAVE ROBINSON-Class of 2013
CHRIS HANBURGER-Class of 2011
LES RICHTER-Class of 2011
And Robertson looks to not be considered Hall of Fame level guy...More Hall of Very Good...Earl Campbell play probably didnt help his case over the years either...
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@shawther said:
Anyone know how they will be selecting the senior candidates from now on?
They likely won't approach that, or other future Class subjects, until after they get this monster Class of 2020 inducted...
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What is everyone's thought on this guy.....Shane Lechler? He's got some pretty impressive hardware....7 time 1st Team All-Pro, 2 time 2nd Team All-Pro, 7 Pro Bowls, All Decade team....He's also got some clout in his corner....John McLain, Bill Belichick to name a couple. The knock....he's a specialist and the Hall basically despises a specialist. Only 3 there....Ray Guy, Jan Stenerud and Morten Andersen. Lechler was the best at his position for a long time....but will another punter ever make it?
I think he was the other Punter voted on the All Time team as well. Probably deserving but any specialist will be a slow go I think (Hester, Tasker, etc). Vinateri will go but first ballot ?? Still a lot of veterans to go. I will never stop banging the drum for Cliff Branch. Harold Carmichael going in makes me sick.
@Pinkcatfish said:
I will never stop banging the drum for Cliff Branch. Harold Carmichael going in makes me sick.
When I saw the list of Centennial finalists, one of my first thoughts was that Carmicahel had no shot. I mean Branch and Pearson (in that order) were both clearly more deserving, right? Still a head scratcher.
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As a long time Raider fan I watched all his games. He was the fastest man in the NFL and much like Bob Hayes caused defensed to double team him. Extra catches for Freddie and Casper.
Branch was immeasurable much better than Carmichael its not even funny.
I had Pearson above him also.
There are a number of HOF DB that have said Branch was the only receiver that put a sense of fear in them.
Yes I got caught with my pants down on Harold. You could have bought a PSA of him for next to nothing as nobody saw him as a HOFer.
Collecting PSA... FB,BK,HK,and BB HOF RC sets 1948-76 Topps FB Sets FB & BB HOF Player sets 1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
Just saw a request for Tom Nalen. I have never heard of the guy. O-Lineman, so that makes sense. There can be an argument made for him, after I read his bio. Anybody here put the request in?
Even though I have multiples of his 1994 Bowman card pack fresh - two first team ALL-Pro selections does not make you a candidate for the HOF. I'll be voting "NO!"
I agree. After checking my usual resources, he lines up more in the Jeff Saturday and Jay Hilgenberg mold. Numbers are below the average HOF centers. I'll be a no on this guy, as well.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Not sure they are sending emails on these requests anymore, but you can find them in notices from your set registry page - just made sure Nalen got a "NO" as I had not seen any surveymonkey in a while.
There are a few positions that I believe are under represented in the Hall, center being one of them. I don’t think I’d mind seeing Saturday make it since I do believe he’d be a better choice than Nalen.
@BillsGridironGreats said:
Not sure they are sending emails on these requests anymore, but you can find them in notices from your set registry page - just made sure Nalen got a "NO" as I had not seen any surveymonkey in a while.
I haven't received any emails recently either.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Any insight into what seems like an explosion in the value of cards recently?
It looks like there is some speculation going on with guys like Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes. It is amazing how prices for these Prizm rookies have blown up over the last few months without playing a down. It's not just the new guys. Cards that were pretty stable in price for a long time seem to be going up fairly significantly. Thinking Barry Sanders, E. Smith, Rice, Montana. Even an SP Brady in a 9 jumped from 6-7k to 10-12k in under a year.
I'm not complaining. I've only been collecting graded stuff since 2012, but the jump in prices in the last six months or so are unlike anything I've seen. Given the economic uncertainty in the US, it seems that there would be less discretionary income for cards unless people are seeing them as a viable investment. Is there such thing as a "bubble" in the world of cards? Just throwing it out there for conversation since there is so little else positive to talk about in the sports world.
@sufferingbillsfan said:
Any insight into what seems like an explosion in the value of cards recently?
It looks like there is some speculation going on with guys like Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes. It is amazing how prices for these Prizm rookies have blown up over the last few months without playing a down. It's not just the new guys. Cards that were pretty stable in price for a long time seem to be going up fairly significantly. Thinking Barry Sanders, E. Smith, Rice, Montana. Even an SP Brady in a 9 jumped from 6-7k to 10-12k in under a year.
I'm not complaining. I've only been collecting graded stuff since 2012, but the jump in prices in the last six months or so are unlike anything I've seen. Given the economic uncertainty in the US, it seems that there would be less discretionary income for cards unless people are seeing them as a viable investment. Is there such thing as a "bubble" in the world of cards? Just throwing it out there for conversation since there is so little else positive to talk about in the sports world.
Excellent question, and one I don't have the answer to. Like you, I expected cards to lose value during the pandemic, which so many people losing their jobs and so much uncertainty abound. The absolute explosion in value for so many cards has come as quite a shock to me. There was a similar occurrence a few years ago, albeit on a smaller scale and mostly with older cards (50s and 60s). The prices eventually stabilized, but many stayed above where they had previously been. Some speculated that there was a "buyer's group" scooping up all big-name vintage rookies, but I don't know about that. I'm always skeptical with these things, so my guess is that something untoward is going on,
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
I'm not complaining. I've only been collecting graded stuff since 2012, but the jump in prices in the last six months or so are unlike anything I've seen. Given the economic uncertainty in the US, it seems that there would be less discretionary income for cards unless people are seeing them as a viable investment. Is there such thing as a "bubble" in the world of cards? Just throwing it out there for conversation since there is so little else positive to talk about in the sports world.
Not sure either but it could be that there are many people not effected by economic downturn but they are spending more time at home and looking to fill their idle time.
Stimulus checks? Gold and silver been doing the same...
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Good points. Less traveling and eating out probably means more money burning a hole in people's pockets.
Here is what I've been working on during my quarantine. Put my complete sets of '77-'88 Topps plus '89 Score and, of course, '77 Star Wars, into binders. Each also has an unopened pack inside. The outsides are a collogue of cards, wrappers, and boxes from the set. Many of the cards used for the outside from the 70's and early 80's were ones from my childhood. Most were handled too much to warrant grading so cutting them up and gluing them to poster!
board didn't sting too badly. Let me know what you think.
Curious about your reads on some Ravens, trying to determine how much I'll have to compete to keep up with the key RCs for Ravens Registry & also NFL HOF.
Do you think any/all of Marshal Yanda, Steve Smith, or Justin Tucker get in to the HOF?
I think Yanda is the next Faneca - 7x Allpro - 2x first team. Steve Smith was a very good player - probably a fringe WR at this point. Kickers are not likely to make HOF. He would need to do what he is doing now for many more years IMHO.
Agree with above on all 3 Ravens guys...Yanda the only one likely to get in, but will probably take a few years...
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I own the only 2001 TC Steve Smith PSA 10 card. Straight from a pack. It is listed on ebay for what I got for my PSA 10 TC Reggie Wayne (actually 2) and TC Richard Seymour cards. There is little interest at $2k and it rarer than they others (1/1). I don't see him getting in. The Yanda card is a base Topps - I don't see this being much more than a $50 card in 10. 9's will get the raw price @ $10, maybe $15 with $10 grading costs.
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No conspiracy, Brees just bested Rodgers statistically for the decade. As far as the coaching goes Mike McCarthy might not be Sean Payton but he can win games as well. If Rodgers did not want to play in Green Bay he could of refused the contracts he has signed over the years. It is fair to wonder what weather or scheme play into a players performance but I don't believe those can be used to discount a players production.
Super Bowl XXVIII: Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys -
Running back Emmitt Smith rushed for 132 yards and 2
touchdowns earning Super Bowl MVP honors as the Cowboys
defeated the Bills 30-13 to win their second consecutive NFL
title.
So then why has Brees, who has statistically outperformed everyone for the decade...Not been an MVP, not been a first team All-Pro, and was not selected to the All-Decade team?
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@sufferingbillsfan said:
The 2015 Topps #273 for Marshal Yanda
There is a gold version #'d to 2015 and and All-Pro version of this card. Which one are you thinking?
I would put the gold version in the same category as a refractor. Nice to have, but not the rookie that should be on set as it is an insert.
RIP Willie Davis, one of the great ones from the Lombardi dynasty years. Was also a terrific person
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How many of these moments dod Brees have in the teens?
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Football HOF Rc's
Pretty sure I answered this already, 40 more than Rodgers.
Yet, not many votes for first Team All-Pro or MVP...Weird...Must be a conspiracy among the 50 AP MVP/All-Pro voters and the 55 HOF All-Decade Team voters...
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Stats don't lie, but voters have biases. I don't think it's a conspiracy and wouldn't call the voters lazy idiots, but an either/or proposition isn't out of the question. Rodgers clearly has a mobility edge, at the expense of additional missed games, but I can't find a single passing metric that shows him to be a better QB over the decade.
I've never heard a single writer/voter have a bias AGAINST Drew Brees...His quite literally one of the most liked and respected in the game..I would say he's more liked and respected among the voters than even Tom Brady...
I think the issue/problem is that you are using stats to tell the complete story, when most serious football historians/fans tend to look at the full picture and not just the stats...Frank Gore has more rushing yards than Jim Brown, so he must be the better player? Stats are important, but if you truly watch and study the game, they rarely tell the full truth on a players value to his team and to the game...And only partially explain the talents you see(or dont see) on the field..
IMO, Brees is the 4th best QB of his era...Tom Brady, Peyton Manning are clearly the best, and honestly don't care much what the numbers say..That's based on watching all of their games/snaps...Debate can be had between Brees and Rodgers, Brees has bigger numbers and more years under Center..Rodgers has had the more dominant/MVP/1st Team All-Pro level seasons...Neither has yet to really have any BAD seasons...When it comes to the decade of 2010-2019, watching Rodgers and then watching Brees, IMO Rodgers has clearly been the better QB..Not just due to mobility either, but making big game changing plays when needed...
I'm perfectly fine with anyone who thinks Brees was better because his numbers were bigger...But that doesn't mean I agree, nor does it mean the HOF voters or AP All-Pro/MVP voters were wrong or bias in their votes..There are plenty of other players that have a bigger argument for that than Drew Brees, that's for sure...
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Any input on what Bobby Wagner's designated RC might be? Prizm? Rookies and Stars?
Last informal "poll" I took, it seemed to be Elite was the choice, due to the numbering to 999. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seemed that's the way the opinion was swaying.
I think the Prizm makes the most sense. My 2nd choice would be Rookies and Stars followed by Crown Royale. Prizm seems to be the card of choice in the most recent years.
I would vote for the Elite. Numbered makes it more limited than the other choices and the dark background at the top should make it a more difficult card to get a high grade than Prizm.
Elite or Prizm I would think.
Super Bowl XXVIII: Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys -
Running back Emmitt Smith rushed for 132 yards and 2
touchdowns earning Super Bowl MVP honors as the Cowboys
defeated the Bills 30-13 to win their second consecutive NFL
title.
Hi guys, I’m looking for the 2001 Topps Chrome #282 Richard Seymour RC
All the rookies in the 2001 set are refractors, so that’s the Seymour I’m looking for. I’m looking for either a raw copy or a PSA 7. Please let me know if you have one you'd sell.
Thanks guys!
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Since it appears football may be back soon, I’m hoping; any early thoughts on who might be included in the next NFL HOF Class? Any early favorites?
I’m guessing you mean besides Manning and Woodson🙂. I think Faneca gets in this year. Not sure about the other 2 spots. Plenty of players to choose from though.
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My early top 5 modern candidates for 2020:
Peyton Manning
Charles Woodson
Tony Boselli
John Lynch
Richard Seymour
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
I hope Faneca gets one of those bottom 3 spots.
Yaz Master Set
#1 Gino Cappelletti master set
#1 John Hannah master set
Also collecting Andre Tippett, Patriots Greats' RCs, Dwight Evans, 1964 Venezuelan Topps, 1974 Topps Red Sox
As for the Senior candidates, is this the year Wistert finally gets the call?
PM sent.
He may need to jump Boselli, which is certainly possible now that Hutchinson won't be taking the Interior OL votes..Boselli has been 6th in voting multiple times the past 4 HOF classes though...One of them should get in this year 100%, maybe even both....The top 4 seem pretty strong based in the two first ballot guys and how close Lynch/Boselli have been..But that 5th spot, likely up for grabs..
4 out of the last 6 classes, the 5th Modern selection was a bit of a wildcard..Meaning they were not 1st ballot and did not make the cut to 10 the previous year.
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Anyone know how they will be selecting the senior candidates from now on?
Based on my tracking of senior committee voting/process over the past 15-20 years, it would seem that Robertson is behind these Linebackers in the pecking order of Senior Candidates..
RANDY GRADISHAR
TOMMY NOBIS
MAXIE BAUGHAN
MIKE CURTIS
CHUCK HOWLEY
ANDY RUSSELL
LEE ROY JORDAN
Combine that with the fact that the following LBs were recent Senior committee selections/HOF inductions:
ROBERT BRAZILE-Class of 2018
DAVE ROBINSON-Class of 2013
CHRIS HANBURGER-Class of 2011
LES RICHTER-Class of 2011
And Robertson looks to not be considered Hall of Fame level guy...More Hall of Very Good...Earl Campbell play probably didnt help his case over the years either...
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They likely won't approach that, or other future Class subjects, until after they get this monster Class of 2020 inducted...
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
I have 3 95 Finest Refractors if you're interested..
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some recent HOF RC set pick ups
What is everyone's thought on this guy.....Shane Lechler? He's got some pretty impressive hardware....7 time 1st Team All-Pro, 2 time 2nd Team All-Pro, 7 Pro Bowls, All Decade team....He's also got some clout in his corner....John McLain, Bill Belichick to name a couple. The knock....he's a specialist and the Hall basically despises a specialist. Only 3 there....Ray Guy, Jan Stenerud and Morten Andersen. Lechler was the best at his position for a long time....but will another punter ever make it?
I think he was the other Punter voted on the All Time team as well. Probably deserving but any specialist will be a slow go I think (Hester, Tasker, etc). Vinateri will go but first ballot ?? Still a lot of veterans to go. I will never stop banging the drum for Cliff Branch. Harold Carmichael going in makes me sick.
When I saw the list of Centennial finalists, one of my first thoughts was that Carmicahel had no shot. I mean Branch and Pearson (in that order) were both clearly more deserving, right? Still a head scratcher.
As a long time Raider fan I watched all his games. He was the fastest man in the NFL and much like Bob Hayes caused defensed to double team him. Extra catches for Freddie and Casper.
Branch was immeasurable much better than Carmichael its not even funny.
I had Pearson above him also.
There are a number of HOF DB that have said Branch was the only receiver that put a sense of fear in them.
Yes I got caught with my pants down on Harold. You could have bought a PSA of him for next to nothing as nobody saw him as a HOFer.
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
Just saw a request for Tom Nalen. I have never heard of the guy. O-Lineman, so that makes sense. There can be an argument made for him, after I read his bio. Anybody here put the request in?
Even though I have multiples of his 1994 Bowman card pack fresh - two first team ALL-Pro selections does not make you a candidate for the HOF. I'll be voting "NO!"
I agree. After checking my usual resources, he lines up more in the Jeff Saturday and Jay Hilgenberg mold. Numbers are below the average HOF centers. I'll be a no on this guy, as well.
What Bill said.
Not sure they are sending emails on these requests anymore, but you can find them in notices from your set registry page - just made sure Nalen got a "NO" as I had not seen any surveymonkey in a while.
There are a few positions that I believe are under represented in the Hall, center being one of them. I don’t think I’d mind seeing Saturday make it since I do believe he’d be a better choice than Nalen.
I haven't received any emails recently either.
Any insight into what seems like an explosion in the value of cards recently?
It looks like there is some speculation going on with guys like Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes. It is amazing how prices for these Prizm rookies have blown up over the last few months without playing a down. It's not just the new guys. Cards that were pretty stable in price for a long time seem to be going up fairly significantly. Thinking Barry Sanders, E. Smith, Rice, Montana. Even an SP Brady in a 9 jumped from 6-7k to 10-12k in under a year.
I'm not complaining. I've only been collecting graded stuff since 2012, but the jump in prices in the last six months or so are unlike anything I've seen. Given the economic uncertainty in the US, it seems that there would be less discretionary income for cards unless people are seeing them as a viable investment. Is there such thing as a "bubble" in the world of cards? Just throwing it out there for conversation since there is so little else positive to talk about in the sports world.
Excellent question, and one I don't have the answer to. Like you, I expected cards to lose value during the pandemic, which so many people losing their jobs and so much uncertainty abound. The absolute explosion in value for so many cards has come as quite a shock to me. There was a similar occurrence a few years ago, albeit on a smaller scale and mostly with older cards (50s and 60s). The prices eventually stabilized, but many stayed above where they had previously been. Some speculated that there was a "buyer's group" scooping up all big-name vintage rookies, but I don't know about that. I'm always skeptical with these things, so my guess is that something untoward is going on,
Not sure either but it could be that there are many people not effected by economic downturn but they are spending more time at home and looking to fill their idle time.
NFL HOF Set
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/publishedset/398345
Stimulus checks? Gold and silver been doing the same...
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Good points. Less traveling and eating out probably means more money burning a hole in people's pockets.
Here is what I've been working on during my quarantine. Put my complete sets of '77-'88 Topps plus '89 Score and, of course, '77 Star Wars, into binders. Each also has an unopened pack inside. The outsides are a collogue of cards, wrappers, and boxes from the set. Many of the cards used for the outside from the 70's and early 80's were ones from my childhood. Most were handled too much to warrant grading so cutting them up and gluing them to poster!
board didn't sting too badly. Let me know what you think.
Sorry, don't know why it's duplicating some photos.
Pretty creative way to jazz up a plain D-ring binder....I like it
NFL HOF Set
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/publishedset/398345
Curious about your reads on some Ravens, trying to determine how much I'll have to compete to keep up with the key RCs for Ravens Registry & also NFL HOF.
Do you think any/all of Marshal Yanda, Steve Smith, or Justin Tucker get in to the HOF?
I think Yanda is the next Faneca - 7x Allpro - 2x first team. Steve Smith was a very good player - probably a fringe WR at this point. Kickers are not likely to make HOF. He would need to do what he is doing now for many more years IMHO.
Agree with above on all 3 Ravens guys...Yanda the only one likely to get in, but will probably take a few years...
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
I own the only 2001 TC Steve Smith PSA 10 card. Straight from a pack. It is listed on ebay for what I got for my PSA 10 TC Reggie Wayne (actually 2) and TC Richard Seymour cards. There is little interest at $2k and it rarer than they others (1/1). I don't see him getting in. The Yanda card is a base Topps - I don't see this being much more than a $50 card in 10. 9's will get the raw price @ $10, maybe $15 with $10 grading costs.