Anyone interested in a PSA 9 '70 OJ rookie? Shoot me a PM.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
well soon its time for the big annoucements. HOF and all decade teams. This year with the Pro-Bowl a week earlier the Newbies dont get to drive around at half time like they have done in the past. i hope their ego's wont be crushed.
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Now that he's announced his retirement, I can't see Kurt Warner not being a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer in 5 years - even if Favre retires this year too. It'll be a well deserved honor. As a Giants fan, it's still funny to think about when Warner played in NY. He was like a statue in the backfield with no mobility, and he averaged less than a TD pass per game. He certainly looked done, but it was nice to see him come out of nowhere in Arizona to surprise the football world for a second time.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
I don't think Warner will go in first ballot, that is typically reserved for the guys who don't get debated like Warner will due to his low number of dominant seasons and those years in NY...Especially if Favre retires, IMO it will be Favre and Seau the first ballot guys in 2015...
Warner will however be elected to the HOF at some point...
Jason
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The NFL will release its entire 2000's All-Decade Team on Sunday on ESPN's NFL Countdown, but the ones who made that team that are in the Pro Bowl have been announced.
The players who are listed in the Pro Bowl and on the All-Decade Team are:
Antonio Gates, TE DeMarcus Ware LB Alan Faneca, G Steve Hutchinson, G Kevin Mawae, C Julius Peppers, DE Ray Lewis, LB Champ Bailey, LB Brian Dawkins, S Shane Lechler, P David Akers, K Joshua Cribbs, KR
David
It is always easier to fight for one’s principles than to live up to them-Adlai Stevenson
I covered the Giants as a field photographer for a FB publication during the 2004 season and I agree, Warner looked done---immobile,indecisive,holding on to the ball too long ultimately leading to avoidable sacks and fumbles. Of course, other the Giants O was no great shakes nor was the coaching innovative. He was yanked after 9 games and a 5-4 record so Eli could start.
I just wanted to take a minute and say how great it is to have this thread and how great the thread itself is due to everyone who contributes to it. This is really hit home when you step back and think about how much more popular (and expensive ) vintage baseball is overall compared to football, whether HOF RCs or otherwise, and then see that we now have 316 PAGES of thread and counting, while the comparable PSA Baseball HOF RC thread has 329........POSTS. Just a nice observation, one week and counting until we have some new inductees to chase!
Hey guys, I just wanted to get peoples thoughts on Jason Taylor these days? It seems like the last 2 years have decreased his chances of making the HOF?
He's one of my favorite players, and I really hope that he gets a HOF shot.
Thoughts?
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<< <i>I just wanted to take a minute and say how great it is to have this thread and how great the thread itself is due to everyone who contributes to it. This is really hit home when you step back and think about how much more popular (and expensive ) vintage baseball is overall compared to football, whether HOF RCs or otherwise, and then see that we now have 316 PAGES of thread and counting, while the comparable PSA Baseball HOF RC thread has 329........POSTS. Just a nice observation, one week and counting until we have some new inductees to chase!
Jasen >>
I appreciate the enthusiasm for the Thread and for this Registry. Admittedly, my enthusiasm becomes increasingly directed toward other sets. I appear in the minority of this set's collectors because I am not an adherent of the Hall Of Fame's continuation of inductee inclusivity. It appears that again a whopping 6+ men will be dubbed Cantonian this year alone. For the inclusivity crowd, I sure hope that who all of you want makes it. I must say - it's still interesting for me to find out who makes the cut!
For my PSA Football HOF Rookie Cards, with sale price:
1933 Grange 4....$450 1935 Dutch Clark 7....$2,750 (Remarkably bright) 1935 Battles 7...$1,100 1935 Battles 6...$500 1935 Hinkle 8...$5,000 (Perhaps hobby's most eye-appealing high grade example) 1935 Nagurski 3...$3,750 1948 Bulldog T. 7....$450 1948 Wojciechowicz 9...$7,500 1948 Wojciechowicz 7...$250 1948 Baugh 6...$800 1948 Baugh 5...$450 1948 Luckman 5...$300 (Should have graded '5 OC' in my opinion) 1948 Luckman 4...$160 1948 Doak W. 8...$10,500 (Some consider it best example in hobby) 1948 Doak W. 6...$700 (Perhaps best PSA 6 anywhere) 1948 Doak W. 5...$240 1948 Van Buren 6 Green...$450 (Perhaps best PSA 6 in hobby) 1948 Van Buren 6 Yellow...$225 1948 Trippi 6...$250 1948 McAfee 8...$1,250 1948 Waterfield 6...$350 (Strong print & centering) I own two of these. 1948 Connor 6...$120 1948 Bednarik 6...$2,500 1950 Graham 9...$20,000 **Sale Pending** 1950 Graham 6...$425 1950 Tittle 6.5...$350 1950 Groza 8.5...$850 (Well centered and looks Gem Mint) 1950 Canadeo 8.5...$1,250 (Remarkable technicals) 1950 Perry 8.5...$950 1950 Fears 8...$400 1950 Hirsch 8...$550 (Highly presentable) 1951 Stautner 8...$500 (Well centered & Bright) 1951 Van Brocklin 8...$1,350 (Well centered - only selling the one from my 2nd-String Registry) 1951 Weinmeister 8.5...$900 1951 Tunnell 8...$900 1952 Large Marchetti 7.5...$450 1952 Large Marchetti 7...$350 (Own two, both very well centered) 1952 Large McElhenny 7.5...$800 1952 Large Robustelli 7....$230 1952 Large Matson 7.5...$1,600 (Breathtaking) 1954 Atkins 8...$275 1955 McCormack 8...$175 1955 Len Ford 8.5...$300 1955 Hein 8...$275 1955 Nevers 8.5...$750 1955 Kinard 8...$150 1955 Ace Parker 8...$300 1955 Hutson 8...$1,075 (Amazing Centering) 1956 Roosevelt Brown 8.5...$300 1956 Bill George 8...$100 1957 Berry 7...$125 1957 Starr 8...$3,250 (Very well centered) 1957 Starr 7...$600 1957 Unitas 8...$2,100 (Very well centered) 1957 Hornung 8...$1,750 (Very well centered) 1957 Hornung 7...$500 (Very well centered) 1958 Jim Brown 7...$700 (I own several) 1958 Jurgensen 8.5...$800 1959 Huff 8...$80 1959 Jim Parker...$90 1959 Jim Taylor...$70 1961 Maynard 9...$300 1961 Henry Jordan 8...$250 1962 Ditka 7...$275 1962 Tarkenton 7...$250 1963 Lilly 8.5...$1,100 (Jaw-dropping technicals) 1963 Nitschke 8...$400 1963 Larry Wilson 8...$30 1964 Bobby Bell 9...$1,200 1964 Adderley 9...$175 1964 Olsen 9...$275 1965 Warfield 8...$150 1965 Eller 9...$300 1965 C. Taylor 9...$900 1965 Willie Brown 8...$475 1965 Namath 8...$5,700 1965 Namath 4.5...$600 1966 Sayers 8...$450 1966 Bob Brown 8...$300 1967 Jackie Smith 8.5...$230 1967 D. Wilcox 9...$500 (Perhaps the best PSA 9) 1969 Csonka 8.5...$300 1970 Lem Barney 10...$1,250 (POP 3, 0 higher) 1970 Bethea 8.5....$40 (Note the spot in right border) 1970 Tom Mack 9...$80 1971 Wehrli 8...$70 1972 Staubach 8.5...$950 (Astonishingly bright & centered) 1972 Joiner 9...$150 1973 Langer 10...$140 1974 Hannah 9...$360 (Strong L-R centering but note the spot near top of right border) 1974 Delamielleure 8.5...$50 1975 Swann 9...$250 1975 Fouts 9...$200 1976 Payton 9...$475 1977 Carson 9...$150 1977 Largent 9...$125 1979 Campbell 9...$175 1981 Montana 9...$300 (centered and looks Gem Mint) 1982 L. Taylor 10...$400
Some of the prices exceed VCP average, and they are very high eye appeal for the grade as many of the cards are. I got tired of writing "Well Centered" - see the scans. PayPal payment, M.O.s, Checks. USPS shipping with Delivery Confirmation is free. I expect to keep some Philadelphia Eagles, 1935 National Chicle, and 1952 Bowman Large material; sell the Football Hall Of Fame RCs.
See the Scans. Some of these scans are with my older scanner which is less sharp, some are with my newer, better one. Let me know if you need a better scan. Because this is the Set Registry Forum and not a Buy / Sell / Trade Forum, I expect to post most sale updates in the Sale Forums.
References: Mike Licalsi of Mike Denero's Vintage Sportscards, Mint State's Rick Snyder, and fellow Football HOF RC Collectors / Message Board Posters whom I have transacted with including: Art Newman, Jason Peeples, Joe Squires, Jasen Cassady, Dan Bigham, and Paul Perkins. For high dollar cards, you have the option of escrow service with Mint State, Inc. www.mintstateinc.com for a low fee at your cost. Feel free to send me a Private Message or E-mail me regarding the above.
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Hey Rocke! I'm glad you finally made it over to this blog and hopefully many contributors recognize you for all your postings on the FB HOF autograph thread. Your knowledge about the HOF will be invaluable. Welcome abroad!
2000's Team of the Decade released today. Posted below is the first team, which will be what I will send in to PSA for creation of the new set. I am going to wait until the Pro Football HOF website posts the team however to ensure what I have is correct. Many varying reports so far, most of which, to include the NFL.com and AP stories that list the players alphabetically per position. When ESPN was announcing them, they were not alphabetical and were listed seemingly in order of votes per position. This is what I have captured, but again, will wait until the HOF posts the team to their website, as in past decades, they've always listed as per the voting order.
Card # Year Co. First Name Last Name 14 1998 SP AUTHENTIC PEYTON MANNING 221 2001 TOPPS CHROME LADANIAN TOMLINSON 94 1999 SP AUTHENTIC EDGERRIN JAMES 18 1996 SP MARVIN HARRISON 18 1998 SP AUTHENTIC RANDY MOSS 11 1997 SP AUTHENTIC TONY GONZALEZ 4 1996 SP JONATHAN OGDEN 6 1997 SP AUTHENTIC WALTER JONES 362 2002 UPPER DECK XL ALAN FANECA 185 2001 PACIFIC CROWN ROYALE STEVE HUTCHINSON 135 1994 BOWMAN KEVIN MAWAE 171 2002 TOPPS CHROME DWIGHT FREENEY 331 1993 ULTRA MICHAEL STRAHAN 282 2001 TOPPS CHROME RICHARD SEYMOUR 99 1995 SP WARREN SAPP 164 1996 BOWMAN'S BEST RAY LEWIS 103 1995 SP DERRICK BROOKS 122 2000 SP AUTHENTIC BRIAN URLACHER 111 1999 SP AUTHENTIC CHAMP BAILEY 23 1998 SP AUTHENTIC CHARLES WOODSON 208 2002 TOPPS CHROME ED REED 344 1996 FINEST BRIAN DAWKINS 199 1997 PACIFIC PHILADELPHIA ADAM VINATIERI 356 2000 FLEER TRADITION SHANE LECHLER
Jason
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How does everyone feel about the Pro Bowl roster expanding so drastically due to "injury"?
I mean, there are only a couple of metrics one can use to measure good versus great in the NFL, and now one of them is slightly less effective than it was previously. Ultimately, this could effect HOF selections down the line if borderline HOFers were named to more pro bowls than they should have been.
I fall on the side of a more inclusive HOF, but the idea that 7 (or more, depending on your source) QBs were Pro Bowlers for the AFC this year is ridiculous.
<< <i>How does everyone feel about the Pro Bowl roster expanding so drastically due to "injury"?
I mean, there are only a couple of metrics one can use to measure good versus great in the NFL, and now one of them is slightly less effective than it was previously. Ultimately, this could effect HOF selections down the line if borderline HOFers were named to more pro bowls than they should have been.
I fall on the side of a more inclusive HOF, but the idea that 7 (or more, depending on your source) QBs were Pro Bowlers for the AFC this year is ridiculous. >>
The Pro Bowl has long been dilluted as a measuring device for HOF caliber players. Look no further than than the last few HOF classes and you'll see players getting in with fewer Pro Bowls than players being passed over have. 1st Team AP All-Pro's carry far more weight than Pro Bowls, and have for at least the last 5-10 years. AP All-Pro means you were the best at your position. This year, there was one 1st team All-Pro QB, Peyton Manning. Conversely, in the AFC alone, they ended up with the 7th best AFC QB in the Pro Bowl. huge difference, and the HOF committee is well aware of it.
Jason
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Odds Candidate Comment 1-5 Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice Discussion on each will take five seconds. 6-5 Dick LeBeau (senior) Will top coaching work seep into debate for a very good CB? 7-5 Richard Dent I sense him getting closer every year. 9-5 Floyd Little (senior) One career 1,000-yard season, but strong Denver support. 2-1 Shannon Sharpe Numbers dwarf any TE currently in Canton. 3-1 Russ Grimm Voters may be creeping toward inducting first Hog. 3-1 Cris Carter Could get dinged for third year by strong class of WRs. 4-1 Don Coryell Sentimental favorite who made great offensive impact. 4-1 Dermontti Dawson What Mike Webster, Dwight Stevenson were to prior decades. 4-1 Charles Haley Five-time Super Bowl champion impacted edge-rush game. 5-1 Andre Reed Strong support from Rod Woodson could help. 10-1 Rickey Jackson Check his stats. Not better, but in LT's league. 12-1 John Randle Unique player. I really support his cause. 12-1 Tim Brown Immense numbers may get lost with exploding WR stats today. 15-1 Roger Craig First ever to get 1,000 rush yards and receiving yards in same year. 15-1 Cortez Kennedy Could move mountains, but hasn't moved voters ... yet.
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<< <i>Did Josh Cribbs make the all-decade team?....i heard that he did... >>
Yes as a Kick Returner, 1st team.
Jason
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Thought so....I just wondered because I didnt see him on your list. I assume that since you have a kicker and punter (special teamers) that Cribbs will be part of this set as he was duly voted onto the team by the panel of experts...
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<< <i>Thought so....I just wondered because I didnt see him on your list. I assume that since you have a kicker and punter (special teamers) that Cribbs will be part of this set as he was duly voted onto the team by the panel of experts... >>
No kick returners on any of the Decade sets, so no I won't be requesting that Cribbs and Dante Hall be added as the kick and punt returners, nor Belichick added as the 1st team coach.
There were actually 53 players voted to the team by the panel of experts. The decade sets on the Registry consist of the first team offense, defense, punter and kicker ONLY. If someone else wants to request all of the full 53 player all-decade teams as new sets, have at it. Not something I would be interested in as I like to request sets that will bring in maximum collector interest and not just a niche interest.
Jason
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<< <i>Thats what I thought...so you will add him to your list, right?...what would his best RC be?...thanks again >>
Nope, won't be adding a kick returner, sorry.
Jason
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...Never said anything about 53 players...I was just referring to the 1st teamers (as that is what you have said the set consists of). Not knowing if they ever voted return men before or not, I was simply inquiring about this year's vote/this decade's set. Knowing you are a (rightful) stickler for accuracy, I thought it was a fair question, as he was duly voted onto the first team.
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Cribbs RCs are from 2005, the only thing I could find on eBay are the Leaf Rookies & Stars and the Playoff Contenders auto. Since it doesn't sound like there is going to be a specific card linked to the Team of the Decade set, collect whichever one you like best!
Any member can ask to add any card to a set if that card meets the criteria of that set. Usually they then ask the others participating in the set to vote yes or no. PSA does reserves the right to make changes with or without the consent of participating members.
Why don't you request it if you think he should be there? Of course you will have to wait till the set goes live.
David
It is always easier to fight for one’s principles than to live up to them-Adlai Stevenson
<< <i>...Never said anything about 53 players...I was just referring to the 1st teamers (as that is what you have said the set consists of). Not knowing if they ever voted return men before or not, I was simply inquiring about this year's vote/this decade's set. Knowing you are a (rightful) stickler for accuracy, I thought it was a fair question, as he was duly voted onto the first team. >>
It's all good man. Just not adding kick/punt returners. Going to keep it in line with the other sets.
What I said this team consists of is: 11 1st team offense, 11 1st team defense, 1st team kicker, 1st team punter...I also won't be adding FB Lorenzo Neal (1st team)...Not looking to add obscure cards that are for the most part valueless, nor collectible. Want to keep it mainstream just like the others. If you look at the number of collectors of the past Decade sets, I believe that is a formula that works towards keeping the sets popular. I'm going to keep it consistent with the other sets.
As Jasen stated, you'll be free to collect any and all Josh Cribbs RCs you want with much less competition. So win, win.
Jason
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Any member can ask to add any card to a set if that card meets the criteria of that set. Usually they then ask the others participating in the set to vote yes or no. PSA does reserves the right to make changes with or without the consent of participating members.
Why don't you request it if you think he should be there? Of course you will have to wait till the set goes live.
David >>
Probably be a month before it gets up and running, but after that, by all means request it to PSA. If the majority approve, then there ya go. First, you may want to test the other All-Decade sets by requesting they add kick and punt returners to those as well. That should give you an idea if the other collectors are interested. Should also request 1st Team Coaches too if that's the path you are looking for.
Here ya go, make it easy for you. Go ahead and request these additions to PSA:
1990s Team of the Decade- KR- Michael Bates, PR- Deion Sanders(already on the set), Coach- Bill Parcells 1980s Team of the Decade- KR- Mike Nelms, PR- Billy Johnson, Coach- Bill Walsh 1970s Team of the Decade- KR- Rick Upchurch, Coach- Don Shula (They did not select a separate punt returner)
1960s and 1950s teams did not select KR, PR or Coach...
I'd be interested to see how that voting goes. I can't imagine the majority would want to collect the kick/punt returners and coaches, but hey you never know. You might FIRST want to confirm that Cribbs is in fact 1st team. If you have that confirmation, please pass that along and include all the other 1st teamers, because to this point, I myself do not have confirmation of who is and who is not first team. I'm just basing it off how ESPN announced the team and nothing more. I won't be sending this set composite to PSA until I get that confirmation which I am actively seeking at this time. Doesn't look like it's going to be released publically for whatever ridiculous reason.
Jason
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Any member can ask to add any card to a set if that card meets the criteria of that set. Usually they then ask the others participating in the set to vote yes or no. PSA does reserves the right to make changes with or without the consent of participating members.
Why don't you request it if you think he should be there? Of course you will have to wait till the set goes live.
David >>
Probably be a month before it gets up and running, but after that, by all means request it to PSA. If the majority approve, then there ya go. First, you may want to test the other All-Decade sets by requesting they add kick and punt returners to those as well. That should give you an idea if the other collectors are interested. Should also request 1st Team Coaches too if that's the path you are looking for.
Here ya go, make it easy for you. Go ahead and request these additions to PSA:
1990s Team of the Decade- KR- Michael Bates, PR- Deion Sanders(already on the set), Coach- Bill Parcells 1980s Team of the Decade- KR- Mike Nelms, PR- Billy Johnson, Coach- Bill Walsh 1970s Team of the Decade- KR- Rick Upchurch, Coach- Don Shula (They did not select a separate punt returner)
1960s and 1950s teams did not select KR, PR or Coach...
I'd be interested to see how that voting goes. I can't imagine the majority would want to collect the kick/punt returners and coaches, but hey you never know. You might FIRST want to confirm that Cribbs is in fact 1st team. If you have that confirmation, please pass that along and include all the other 1st teamers, because to this point, I myself do not have confirmation of who is and who is not first team. I'm just basing it off how ESPN announced the team and nothing more. I won't be sending this set composite to PSA until I get that confirmation which I am actively seeking at this time. Doesn't look like it's going to be released publically for whatever ridiculous reason.
Jason >>
maybe the NFL doesntt want to piss off either brady or manning as to whom is first vs second team.
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<< <i>maybe the NFL doesntt want to piss off either brady or manning as to whom is first vs second team. >>
Good point and you're probably right. It's one of my main complaints with how the HOF committee is working these days. They want everything secret so no one gets pissed off. But what happened to standing up for what you say, believe and vote? Televise the HOF selection meetings. Release the vote counts for the Modern and the Senior candidates. The reason many want the secrecy is that they don't want to be outted as the non-footbal baffoons that they are.
If you read down through the names of the HOF voters for this year, there are litterally 15+ voters on that list, that if you read their news columns or watch them on TV are almost clueless to the game of football. Some of them barely cover the game and aren't even the team beat writers IN THEIR HOME CITY. Don't get me wrong, some of voters are real students of the game and know their stuff. Live it and breathe it. Most of THOSE guys/gals could care less if the HOF releases the vote counts or televises the meeting. Most of them write stories and put who they selected online for the world to see. Its the ones that don't even mention that they were voting or attending the HOF selection meeting that don't want to be outted as not even knowing who a Roger Craig or Rickey Jackson played for. They are the ones who don't have a clue who they are voting for until the individual presentations in the meeting. It's sad to have come to this, gotta hope they can improve things as time goes on. Because right now, its really pretty bad. And this is not an opinion. This is almost verbatim from one of the most respected HOF voters.
Jason
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where can we see the list of voters. i think cliff christl use to be the voter for the packers from the milwaukee paper. not sure who took his spot when he retired.
they might be waiting to see if peyton can win a 2nd ring this decade. that way it might make it easier for them to list him as #1 over brady.
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Arizona Kent Somers, Arizona Republic Atlanta Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com Baltimore Scott Garceau, WMAR-TV Buffalo Mark Gaughan, Buffalo News Carolina Charles Chandler, Charlotte Observer Chicago Dan Pompei, Chicago Tribune* Cincinnati Joe Reedy, Cincinnati Enquirer Cleveland Tony Grossi, Cleveland Plain Dealer Dallas Rick Gosselin, Dallas Morning News* Denver Jeff Legwold, Denver Post Detroit Tom Kowalski, Booth Newspapers Green Bay Cliff Christl, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Houston John McClain, Houston Chronicle* Indianapolis Mike Chappell, Indianapolis Star Jacksonville Sam Kouvaris, WJXT-TV Kansas City Bob Gretz, KCFootballReport.com Miami Edwin Pope, Miami Herald* Minnesota Sid Hartman, The Minneapolis Star-Tribune New England Ron Borges, Boston Herald* New Orleans Pete Finney, Times-Picayune New York (Giants) Vinny DiTrani, Bergen Record New York (Jets) Gary Myers, New York Daily News Oakland Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange Philadelphia Paul Domowitch, Philadelphia Daily News Pittsburgh Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette St. Louis Bernie Miklasz, St. Louis Post-Dispatch San Diego Nick Canepa, San Diego Union Tribune San Francisco Nancy Gay, AOL Sports/Fanhouse Seattle Mike Sando, ESPN.com Tampa Bay Ira Kaufman, Tampa Tribune Tennessee David Climer, The Tennessean Washington David Elfin, Washington Times PFWA Alex Marvez, FOXSports.com At Large Howard Balzer, The Sports Xchange At Large Jarrett Bell, USA Today At Large John Clayton, ESPN/ESPN Magazine At Large John Czarnecki, FOXSports.com* At Large Dave Goldberg, AOL Sports/Fanhouse* At Large Peter King, Sports Illustrated At Large Ira Miller, The Sports Xchange* At Large Len Shapiro, Miami Herald* At Large Vito Stellino, Florida Times Union At Large Jim Trotter, Sports Illustrated At Large Charean Williams, Ft. Worth Star Telegram
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Hello All, I just got home a while ago, and I saw that " Bullet " Bill Dudley passed away on Thursday. I got many autographs from him over the years during Hall of Fame week, and at other autograph shows that I have been to. He was always a kind, humble, gentle man, and it was always great to see him. He was one guy that came back just about every year after he was inducted. I have a great autographed 11 x 14 picture of him and my 12 year old son Ben. Bill was the last surviving member of the Class of 1966, and with his passing there are now just 5 surviving Hall of Famers that were inducted in the 1960's ( Van Buren, Donovan, Bednarik, Perry, & Trippi ). He will be missed. Rocke
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New HOFers will be selected tomorrow...Most of the voters have arrived in town, committee dinner was tonight....My final predictions.
Jerry Rice-LOCK Emmitt Smith-LOCK Richard Dent-LOCK Russ Grimm Rickey Jackson Dick LeBeau-LOCK Floyd Little
Won't be surprised if Sharpe gets the Rickey Jackson or Russ Grimm spot, but to be honest anyone other than my 5 moderns above (or Sharpe) gets in will be shocking to me at this point. It will mean someone really wowed the crowd with the player presentations. I didn't think Little would get the support, but sounding more and more like both Seniors will go in this year. LeBeau might get 100% of the vote like Emmitt and Rice..lol..This guy is BELOVED by the voters...And when you hear its ONLY about what he did as a player..Ummmmm..Right.....
We shall see tomorrow, I think the above would be a great HOF class.
Jason
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JP, this may be a strange question (or maybe not), but were Rickey Jackson's chances of making it this year improved by the Saints making the Super Bowl?
Also, if Cris Carter doesn't make it in this year, and I don't believe he will, I'll really have to wonder what the heck is going on. I thought for sure he was a first ballot guy. Then I was positive he'd get in the following year. The stats are definitely there.
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<< <i>JP, this may be a strange question (or maybe not), but were Rickey Jackson's chances of making it this year improved by the Saints making the Super Bowl?
Also, if Cris Carter doesn't make it in this year, and I don't believe he will, I'll really have to wonder what the heck is going on. I thought for sure he was a first ballot guy. Then I was positive he'd get in the following year. The stats are definitely there. >>
Absolutely on Jackson...He was already getting a nice push, but with Who Dat nation invading Miami on an epic level, and no Saints in the HOF....I think he goes in this year...Not a lock because some of the voters don't know anything about the guy, but a nice presentation should do the trick along with some of the upper echelon voters giving him ringing endorsements and comparing him to LT1.
I agree on Carter..He has a handful of detractors, similar to Art Monk for being a possession guy and never affecting how defensive coordinators game planned...He's definitely behind Sharpe amongst the pass catchers now...Initially I has Sharpe going in this year and Carter going in next year...But if Sharpe doesn't make it this year, gonna push all the pass catchers back...It seems to be Sharpe, Carter, Brown, Reed in the TE/WR order..The first three will all get elected at some point guaranteed, i have my doubts on Reed ever making it though...If he does, it will be awhile...The good news is that no other HOF caliber pass catchers will be in the mix until Marvin Harrison in 2014...
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Just heard that John McClain is going to present Floyd Little in the meetings rather than the Denver rep Jeff Legwold...Legwold is universally considered a homer as he only argues for Denver guys to get in every year...McClain is one of the senior voters in the room, a senior committee member, and one of the most respected voters in the room...
This solidifies Little IMO...From maybe, probably to likely almost definite...
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Looks like Reed is ahead of both T.Brown and Carter after making the cut from 15 to 10. I'd put him in before those 2 also based upon his integral role on such a successful series of teams. Carter never made the SB and Brown went once. It's good to see him still above those guys.
<< <i>Looks like Reed is ahead of both T.Brown and Carter after making the cut from 15 to 10. I'd put him in before those 2 also based upon his integral role on such a successful series of teams. Carter never made the SB and Brown went once. It's good to see him still above those guys.
Jasen >>
Carter not even making the final 10! WOW....Thats a crushing blow to his candidacy, since they discussed how those 3 WRs should be ranked for well over an hour...
Well, I called all the modern HOFers except Randle over Dent...Pretty surprised about that one, every single thing I heard in regards to Dent said he was going in this year...Was not really detecting a buzz on Randle...Maybe that was the trade off after bumping Carter from the top 10 to the Vikings guy..lol
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Deion Sanders Marshall Faulk Willie Roaf Richard Dent Shannon Sharpe
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>New HOFers will be selected tomorrow...Most of the voters have arrived in town, committee dinner was tonight....My final predictions.
Jerry Rice-LOCK Emmitt Smith-LOCK Richard Dent-LOCK Russ Grimm Rickey Jackson Dick LeBeau-LOCK Floyd Little
Won't be surprised if Sharpe gets the Rickey Jackson or Russ Grimm spot, but to be honest anyone other than my 5 moderns above (or Sharpe) gets in will be shocking to me at this point. It will mean someone really wowed the crowd with the player presentations. I didn't think Little would get the support, but sounding more and more like both Seniors will go in this year. LeBeau might get 100% of the vote like Emmitt and Rice..lol..This guy is BELOVED by the voters...And when you hear its ONLY about what he did as a player..Ummmmm..Right.....
We shall see tomorrow, I think the above would be a great HOF class.
Jason >>
Well, 6 out of 7 aint bad...Randle was more than deserving.
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
I also can't believe that Stephen Perry called Rickey Jackson Randy Jackson. Doh!
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
<< <i>I can't believe Floyd Little is in the HOF. >>
Well, no worse than John Henry Johnson or Doak Walker...But agree, weak selection by the Senior committee.
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
I was surprised by Randle, but he's certainly worthy of Canton. Floyd Little IMO should not have been selected. I don't consider him to have been better than Roger Craig or Terrell Davis, though his selection may portend their selection in the next few years.
For next year, I'll predict Sanders, Faulk, Sharpe, Dawson, Dent, Billy Howton, and Tommy Nobis.
Meanwhile, the modern WRs will continue to back up until 2012, when I think at least one of them gets in.
I am happy Randle made it, he is deserving. I am very disappointed Dent did not make it. Dent should have been in over Jackson in my opinion. I am a little bias though.
Comments
Collecting:
Brett Favre Master Set
Favre Ticket Stubs
Favre TD Reciever Autos
Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set
Football HOF Rc's
Warner will however be elected to the HOF at some point...
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/01/demarcus-ware-makes-the-nfls-2000s-all-d.html
The NFL will release its entire 2000's All-Decade Team on Sunday on ESPN's NFL Countdown, but the ones who made that team that are in the Pro Bowl have been announced.
The players who are listed in the Pro Bowl and on the All-Decade Team are:
Antonio Gates, TE
DeMarcus Ware LB
Alan Faneca, G
Steve Hutchinson, G
Kevin Mawae, C
Julius Peppers, DE
Ray Lewis, LB
Champ Bailey, LB
Brian Dawkins, S
Shane Lechler, P
David Akers, K
Joshua Cribbs, KR
David
Jasen
It seems like the last 2 years have decreased his chances of making the HOF?
He's one of my favorite players, and I really hope that he gets a HOF shot.
Thoughts?
CDsNuts, 1/9/15
6-time Pro Bowler & 3-time First-Team All-Pro
Players whose career was of similar quality and shape according to pro-football refrence.com:
Dan Hampton*, Willie Davis*, Henry Jordan*, Deacon Jones*, John Randle, L.C. Greenwood, Alex Karras, Jack Youngblood*, Warren Sapp, Cortez Kennedy
I'd say he has a pretty good shot.
<< <i>I just wanted to take a minute and say how great it is to have this thread and how great the thread itself is due to everyone who contributes to it. This is really hit home when you step back and think about how much more popular (and expensive
Jasen >>
I appreciate the enthusiasm for the Thread and for this Registry. Admittedly, my enthusiasm becomes increasingly directed toward other sets. I appear in the minority of this set's collectors because I am not an adherent of the Hall Of Fame's continuation of inductee inclusivity. It appears that again a whopping 6+ men will be dubbed Cantonian this year alone. For the inclusivity crowd, I sure hope that who all of you want makes it. I must say - it's still interesting for me to find out who makes the cut!
1933 Grange 4....$450
1935 Dutch Clark 7....$2,750 (Remarkably bright)
1935 Battles 7...$1,100
1935 Battles 6...$500
1935 Hinkle 8...$5,000 (Perhaps hobby's most eye-appealing high grade example)
1935 Nagurski 3...$3,750
1948 Bulldog T. 7....$450
1948 Wojciechowicz 9...$7,500
1948 Wojciechowicz 7...$250
1948 Baugh 6...$800
1948 Baugh 5...$450
1948 Luckman 5...$300 (Should have graded '5 OC' in my opinion)
1948 Luckman 4...$160
1948 Doak W. 8...$10,500 (Some consider it best example in hobby)
1948 Doak W. 6...$700 (Perhaps best PSA 6 anywhere)
1948 Doak W. 5...$240
1948 Van Buren 6 Green...$450 (Perhaps best PSA 6 in hobby)
1948 Van Buren 6 Yellow...$225
1948 Trippi 6...$250
1948 McAfee 8...$1,250
1948 Waterfield 6...$350 (Strong print & centering) I own two of these.
1948 Connor 6...$120
1948 Bednarik 6...$2,500
1950 Graham 9...$20,000 **Sale Pending**
1950 Graham 6...$425
1950 Tittle 6.5...$350
1950 Groza 8.5...$850 (Well centered and looks Gem Mint)
1950 Canadeo 8.5...$1,250 (Remarkable technicals)
1950 Perry 8.5...$950
1950 Fears 8...$400
1950 Hirsch 8...$550 (Highly presentable)
1951 Stautner 8...$500 (Well centered & Bright)
1951 Van Brocklin 8...$1,350 (Well centered - only selling the one from my 2nd-String Registry)
1951 Weinmeister 8.5...$900
1951 Tunnell 8...$900
1952 Large Marchetti 7.5...$450
1952 Large Marchetti 7...$350 (Own two, both very well centered)
1952 Large McElhenny 7.5...$800
1952 Large Robustelli 7....$230
1952 Large Matson 7.5...$1,600 (Breathtaking)
1954 Atkins 8...$275
1955 McCormack 8...$175
1955 Len Ford 8.5...$300
1955 Hein 8...$275
1955 Nevers 8.5...$750
1955 Kinard 8...$150
1955 Ace Parker 8...$300
1955 Hutson 8...$1,075 (Amazing Centering)
1956 Roosevelt Brown 8.5...$300
1956 Bill George 8...$100
1957 Berry 7...$125
1957 Starr 8...$3,250 (Very well centered)
1957 Starr 7...$600
1957 Unitas 8...$2,100 (Very well centered)
1957 Hornung 8...$1,750 (Very well centered)
1957 Hornung 7...$500 (Very well centered)
1958 Jim Brown 7...$700 (I own several)
1958 Jurgensen 8.5...$800
1959 Huff 8...$80
1959 Jim Parker...$90
1959 Jim Taylor...$70
1961 Maynard 9...$300
1961 Henry Jordan 8...$250
1962 Ditka 7...$275
1962 Tarkenton 7...$250
1963 Lilly 8.5...$1,100 (Jaw-dropping technicals)
1963 Nitschke 8...$400
1963 Larry Wilson 8...$30
1964 Bobby Bell 9...$1,200
1964 Adderley 9...$175
1964 Olsen 9...$275
1965 Warfield 8...$150
1965 Eller 9...$300
1965 C. Taylor 9...$900
1965 Willie Brown 8...$475
1965 Namath 8...$5,700
1965 Namath 4.5...$600
1966 Sayers 8...$450
1966 Bob Brown 8...$300
1967 Jackie Smith 8.5...$230
1967 D. Wilcox 9...$500 (Perhaps the best PSA 9)
1969 Csonka 8.5...$300
1970 Lem Barney 10...$1,250 (POP 3, 0 higher)
1970 Bethea 8.5....$40 (Note the spot in right border)
1970 Tom Mack 9...$80
1971 Wehrli 8...$70
1972 Staubach 8.5...$950 (Astonishingly bright & centered)
1972 Joiner 9...$150
1973 Langer 10...$140
1974 Hannah 9...$360 (Strong L-R centering but note the spot near top of right border)
1974 Delamielleure 8.5...$50
1975 Swann 9...$250
1975 Fouts 9...$200
1976 Payton 9...$475
1977 Carson 9...$150
1977 Largent 9...$125
1979 Campbell 9...$175
1981 Montana 9...$300 (centered and looks Gem Mint)
1982 L. Taylor 10...$400
Some of the prices exceed VCP average, and they are very high eye appeal for the grade as many of the cards are. I got tired of writing "Well Centered" - see the scans. PayPal payment, M.O.s, Checks. USPS shipping with Delivery Confirmation is free. I expect to keep some Philadelphia Eagles, 1935 National Chicle, and 1952 Bowman Large material; sell the Football Hall Of Fame RCs.
See the Scans. Some of these scans are with my older scanner which is less sharp, some are with my newer, better one. Let me know if you need a better scan. Because this is the Set Registry Forum and not a Buy / Sell / Trade Forum, I expect to post most sale updates in the Sale Forums.
References: Mike Licalsi of Mike Denero's Vintage Sportscards, Mint State's Rick Snyder, and fellow Football HOF RC Collectors / Message Board Posters whom I have transacted with including: Art Newman, Jason Peeples, Joe Squires, Jasen Cassady, Dan Bigham, and Paul Perkins. For high dollar cards, you have the option of escrow service with Mint State, Inc. www.mintstateinc.com for a low fee at your cost. Feel free to send me a Private Message or E-mail me regarding the above.
Keith Weinhold
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Card # Year Co. First Name Last Name
14 1998 SP AUTHENTIC PEYTON MANNING
221 2001 TOPPS CHROME LADANIAN TOMLINSON
94 1999 SP AUTHENTIC EDGERRIN JAMES
18 1996 SP MARVIN HARRISON
18 1998 SP AUTHENTIC RANDY MOSS
11 1997 SP AUTHENTIC TONY GONZALEZ
4 1996 SP JONATHAN OGDEN
6 1997 SP AUTHENTIC WALTER JONES
362 2002 UPPER DECK XL ALAN FANECA
185 2001 PACIFIC CROWN ROYALE STEVE HUTCHINSON
135 1994 BOWMAN KEVIN MAWAE
171 2002 TOPPS CHROME DWIGHT FREENEY
331 1993 ULTRA MICHAEL STRAHAN
282 2001 TOPPS CHROME RICHARD SEYMOUR
99 1995 SP WARREN SAPP
164 1996 BOWMAN'S BEST RAY LEWIS
103 1995 SP DERRICK BROOKS
122 2000 SP AUTHENTIC BRIAN URLACHER
111 1999 SP AUTHENTIC CHAMP BAILEY
23 1998 SP AUTHENTIC CHARLES WOODSON
208 2002 TOPPS CHROME ED REED
344 1996 FINEST BRIAN DAWKINS
199 1997 PACIFIC PHILADELPHIA ADAM VINATIERI
356 2000 FLEER TRADITION SHANE LECHLER
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
I mean, there are only a couple of metrics one can use to measure good versus great in the NFL, and now one of them is slightly less effective than it was previously. Ultimately, this could effect HOF selections down the line if borderline HOFers were named to more pro bowls than they should have been.
I fall on the side of a more inclusive HOF, but the idea that 7 (or more, depending on your source) QBs were Pro Bowlers for the AFC this year is ridiculous.
<< <i>How does everyone feel about the Pro Bowl roster expanding so drastically due to "injury"?
I mean, there are only a couple of metrics one can use to measure good versus great in the NFL, and now one of them is slightly less effective than it was previously. Ultimately, this could effect HOF selections down the line if borderline HOFers were named to more pro bowls than they should have been.
I fall on the side of a more inclusive HOF, but the idea that 7 (or more, depending on your source) QBs were Pro Bowlers for the AFC this year is ridiculous. >>
The Pro Bowl has long been dilluted as a measuring device for HOF caliber players. Look no further than than the last few HOF classes and you'll see players getting in with fewer Pro Bowls than players being passed over have. 1st Team AP All-Pro's carry far more weight than Pro Bowls, and have for at least the last 5-10 years. AP All-Pro means you were the best at your position. This year, there was one 1st team All-Pro QB, Peyton Manning. Conversely, in the AFC alone, they ended up with the 7th best AFC QB in the Pro Bowl. huge difference, and the HOF committee is well aware of it.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Odds Candidate Comment
1-5 Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice Discussion on each will take five seconds.
6-5 Dick LeBeau (senior) Will top coaching work seep into debate for a very good CB?
7-5 Richard Dent I sense him getting closer every year.
9-5 Floyd Little (senior) One career 1,000-yard season, but strong Denver support.
2-1 Shannon Sharpe Numbers dwarf any TE currently in Canton.
3-1 Russ Grimm Voters may be creeping toward inducting first Hog.
3-1 Cris Carter Could get dinged for third year by strong class of WRs.
4-1 Don Coryell Sentimental favorite who made great offensive impact.
4-1 Dermontti Dawson What Mike Webster, Dwight Stevenson were to prior decades.
4-1 Charles Haley Five-time Super Bowl champion impacted edge-rush game.
5-1 Andre Reed Strong support from Rod Woodson could help.
10-1 Rickey Jackson Check his stats. Not better, but in LT's league.
12-1 John Randle Unique player. I really support his cause.
12-1 Tim Brown Immense numbers may get lost with exploding WR stats today.
15-1 Roger Craig First ever to get 1,000 rush yards and receiving yards in same year.
15-1 Cortez Kennedy Could move mountains, but hasn't moved voters ... yet.
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>Did Josh Cribbs make the all-decade team?....i heard that he did... >>
Yes as a Kick Returner, 1st team.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>Thought so....I just wondered because I didnt see him on your list. I assume that since you have a kicker and punter (special teamers) that Cribbs will be part of this set as he was duly voted onto the team by the panel of experts... >>
No kick returners on any of the Decade sets, so no I won't be requesting that Cribbs and Dante Hall be added as the kick and punt returners, nor Belichick added as the 1st team coach.
There were actually 53 players voted to the team by the panel of experts. The decade sets on the Registry consist of the first team offense, defense, punter and kicker ONLY. If someone else wants to request all of the full 53 player all-decade teams as new sets, have at it. Not something I would be interested in as I like to request sets that will bring in maximum collector interest and not just a niche interest.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>Thats what I thought...so you will add him to your list, right?...what would his best RC be?...thanks again >>
Nope, won't be adding a kick returner, sorry.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Cribbs RCs are from 2005, the only thing I could find on eBay are the Leaf Rookies & Stars and the Playoff Contenders auto. Since it doesn't sound like there is going to be a specific card linked to the Team of the Decade set, collect whichever one you like best!
Jasen
Any member can ask to add any card to a set if that card meets the criteria of that set. Usually they then ask the others participating in the set to vote yes or no. PSA does reserves the right to make changes with or without the consent of participating members.
Why don't you request it if you think he should be there? Of course you will have to wait till the set goes live.
David
<< <i>...Never said anything about 53 players...I was just referring to the 1st teamers (as that is what you have said the set consists of). Not knowing if they ever voted return men before or not, I was simply inquiring about this year's vote/this decade's set. Knowing you are a (rightful) stickler for accuracy, I thought it was a fair question, as he was duly voted onto the first team. >>
It's all good man. Just not adding kick/punt returners. Going to keep it in line with the other sets.
What I said this team consists of is: 11 1st team offense, 11 1st team defense, 1st team kicker, 1st team punter...I also won't be adding FB Lorenzo Neal (1st team)...Not looking to add obscure cards that are for the most part valueless, nor collectible. Want to keep it mainstream just like the others. If you look at the number of collectors of the past Decade sets, I believe that is a formula that works towards keeping the sets popular. I'm going to keep it consistent with the other sets.
As Jasen stated, you'll be free to collect any and all Josh Cribbs RCs you want with much less competition. So win, win.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>CSUrunandstun:
Any member can ask to add any card to a set if that card meets the criteria of that set. Usually they then ask the others participating in the set to vote yes or no. PSA does reserves the right to make changes with or without the consent of participating members.
Why don't you request it if you think he should be there? Of course you will have to wait till the set goes live.
David >>
Probably be a month before it gets up and running, but after that, by all means request it to PSA. If the majority approve, then there ya go. First, you may want to test the other All-Decade sets by requesting they add kick and punt returners to those as well. That should give you an idea if the other collectors are interested. Should also request 1st Team Coaches too if that's the path you are looking for.
Here ya go, make it easy for you. Go ahead and request these additions to PSA:
1990s Team of the Decade- KR- Michael Bates, PR- Deion Sanders(already on the set), Coach- Bill Parcells
1980s Team of the Decade- KR- Mike Nelms, PR- Billy Johnson, Coach- Bill Walsh
1970s Team of the Decade- KR- Rick Upchurch, Coach- Don Shula (They did not select a separate punt returner)
1960s and 1950s teams did not select KR, PR or Coach...
I'd be interested to see how that voting goes. I can't imagine the majority would want to collect the kick/punt returners and coaches, but hey you never know. You might FIRST want to confirm that Cribbs is in fact 1st team. If you have that confirmation, please pass that along and include all the other 1st teamers, because to this point, I myself do not have confirmation of who is and who is not first team. I'm just basing it off how ESPN announced the team and nothing more. I won't be sending this set composite to PSA until I get that confirmation which I am actively seeking at this time. Doesn't look like it's going to be released publically for whatever ridiculous reason.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>
<< <i>CSUrunandstun:
Any member can ask to add any card to a set if that card meets the criteria of that set. Usually they then ask the others participating in the set to vote yes or no. PSA does reserves the right to make changes with or without the consent of participating members.
Why don't you request it if you think he should be there? Of course you will have to wait till the set goes live.
David >>
Probably be a month before it gets up and running, but after that, by all means request it to PSA. If the majority approve, then there ya go. First, you may want to test the other All-Decade sets by requesting they add kick and punt returners to those as well. That should give you an idea if the other collectors are interested. Should also request 1st Team Coaches too if that's the path you are looking for.
Here ya go, make it easy for you. Go ahead and request these additions to PSA:
1990s Team of the Decade- KR- Michael Bates, PR- Deion Sanders(already on the set), Coach- Bill Parcells
1980s Team of the Decade- KR- Mike Nelms, PR- Billy Johnson, Coach- Bill Walsh
1970s Team of the Decade- KR- Rick Upchurch, Coach- Don Shula (They did not select a separate punt returner)
1960s and 1950s teams did not select KR, PR or Coach...
I'd be interested to see how that voting goes. I can't imagine the majority would want to collect the kick/punt returners and coaches, but hey you never know. You might FIRST want to confirm that Cribbs is in fact 1st team. If you have that confirmation, please pass that along and include all the other 1st teamers, because to this point, I myself do not have confirmation of who is and who is not first team. I'm just basing it off how ESPN announced the team and nothing more. I won't be sending this set composite to PSA until I get that confirmation which I am actively seeking at this time. Doesn't look like it's going to be released publically for whatever ridiculous reason.
Jason >>
maybe the NFL doesntt want to piss off either brady or manning as to whom is first vs second team.
Collecting:
Brett Favre Master Set
Favre Ticket Stubs
Favre TD Reciever Autos
Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set
Football HOF Rc's
David
<< <i>maybe the NFL doesntt want to piss off either brady or manning as to whom is first vs second team. >>
Good point and you're probably right. It's one of my main complaints with how the HOF committee is working these days. They want everything secret so no one gets pissed off. But what happened to standing up for what you say, believe and vote? Televise the HOF selection meetings. Release the vote counts for the Modern and the Senior candidates. The reason many want the secrecy is that they don't want to be outted as the non-footbal baffoons that they are.
If you read down through the names of the HOF voters for this year, there are litterally 15+ voters on that list, that if you read their news columns or watch them on TV are almost clueless to the game of football. Some of them barely cover the game and aren't even the team beat writers IN THEIR HOME CITY. Don't get me wrong, some of voters are real students of the game and know their stuff. Live it and breathe it. Most of THOSE guys/gals could care less if the HOF releases the vote counts or televises the meeting. Most of them write stories and put who they selected online for the world to see. Its the ones that don't even mention that they were voting or attending the HOF selection meeting that don't want to be outted as not even knowing who a Roger Craig or Rickey Jackson played for. They are the ones who don't have a clue who they are voting for until the individual presentations in the meeting. It's sad to have come to this, gotta hope they can improve things as time goes on. Because right now, its really pretty bad. And this is not an opinion. This is almost verbatim from one of the most respected HOF voters.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
where can we see the list of voters. i think cliff christl use to be the voter for the packers from the milwaukee paper. not sure who took his spot when he retired.
they might be waiting to see if peyton can win a 2nd ring this decade. that way it might make it easier for them to list him as #1 over brady.
Collecting:
Brett Favre Master Set
Favre Ticket Stubs
Favre TD Reciever Autos
Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set
Football HOF Rc's
Arizona Kent Somers, Arizona Republic
Atlanta Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com
Baltimore Scott Garceau, WMAR-TV
Buffalo Mark Gaughan, Buffalo News
Carolina Charles Chandler, Charlotte Observer
Chicago Dan Pompei, Chicago Tribune*
Cincinnati Joe Reedy, Cincinnati Enquirer
Cleveland Tony Grossi, Cleveland Plain Dealer
Dallas Rick Gosselin, Dallas Morning News*
Denver Jeff Legwold, Denver Post
Detroit Tom Kowalski, Booth Newspapers
Green Bay Cliff Christl, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Houston John McClain, Houston Chronicle*
Indianapolis Mike Chappell, Indianapolis Star
Jacksonville Sam Kouvaris, WJXT-TV
Kansas City Bob Gretz, KCFootballReport.com
Miami Edwin Pope, Miami Herald*
Minnesota Sid Hartman, The Minneapolis Star-Tribune
New England Ron Borges, Boston Herald*
New Orleans Pete Finney, Times-Picayune
New York (Giants) Vinny DiTrani, Bergen Record
New York (Jets) Gary Myers, New York Daily News
Oakland Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange
Philadelphia Paul Domowitch, Philadelphia Daily News
Pittsburgh Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
St. Louis Bernie Miklasz, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
San Diego Nick Canepa, San Diego Union Tribune
San Francisco Nancy Gay, AOL Sports/Fanhouse
Seattle Mike Sando, ESPN.com
Tampa Bay Ira Kaufman, Tampa Tribune
Tennessee David Climer, The Tennessean
Washington David Elfin, Washington Times
PFWA Alex Marvez, FOXSports.com
At Large Howard Balzer, The Sports Xchange
At Large Jarrett Bell, USA Today
At Large John Clayton, ESPN/ESPN Magazine
At Large John Czarnecki, FOXSports.com*
At Large Dave Goldberg, AOL Sports/Fanhouse*
At Large Peter King, Sports Illustrated
At Large Ira Miller, The Sports Xchange*
At Large Len Shapiro, Miami Herald*
At Large Vito Stellino, Florida Times Union
At Large Jim Trotter, Sports Illustrated
At Large Charean Williams, Ft. Worth Star Telegram
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I just got home a while ago, and I saw that " Bullet " Bill Dudley passed away on Thursday. I got many autographs from him over the years during Hall of Fame week, and at other autograph shows that I have been to. He was always a kind, humble, gentle man, and it was always great to see him. He was one guy that came back just about every year after he was inducted. I have a great autographed 11 x 14 picture of him and my 12 year old son Ben. Bill was the last surviving member of the Class of 1966, and with his passing there are now just 5 surviving Hall of Famers that were inducted in the 1960's ( Van Buren, Donovan, Bednarik, Perry, & Trippi ). He will be missed.
Rocke
Jerry Rice-LOCK
Emmitt Smith-LOCK
Richard Dent-LOCK
Russ Grimm
Rickey Jackson
Dick LeBeau-LOCK
Floyd Little
Won't be surprised if Sharpe gets the Rickey Jackson or Russ Grimm spot, but to be honest anyone other than my 5 moderns above (or Sharpe) gets in will be shocking to me at this point. It will mean someone really wowed the crowd with the player presentations. I didn't think Little would get the support, but sounding more and more like both Seniors will go in this year. LeBeau might get 100% of the vote like Emmitt and Rice..lol..This guy is BELOVED by the voters...And when you hear its ONLY about what he did as a player..Ummmmm..Right.....
We shall see tomorrow, I think the above would be a great HOF class.
Jason
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Also, if Cris Carter doesn't make it in this year, and I don't believe he will, I'll really have to wonder what the heck is going on. I thought for sure he was a first ballot guy. Then I was positive he'd get in the following year. The stats are definitely there.
<< <i>JP, this may be a strange question (or maybe not), but were Rickey Jackson's chances of making it this year improved by the Saints making the Super Bowl?
Also, if Cris Carter doesn't make it in this year, and I don't believe he will, I'll really have to wonder what the heck is going on. I thought for sure he was a first ballot guy. Then I was positive he'd get in the following year. The stats are definitely there. >>
Absolutely on Jackson...He was already getting a nice push, but with Who Dat nation invading Miami on an epic level, and no Saints in the HOF....I think he goes in this year...Not a lock because some of the voters don't know anything about the guy, but a nice presentation should do the trick along with some of the upper echelon voters giving him ringing endorsements and comparing him to LT1.
I agree on Carter..He has a handful of detractors, similar to Art Monk for being a possession guy and never affecting how defensive coordinators game planned...He's definitely behind Sharpe amongst the pass catchers now...Initially I has Sharpe going in this year and Carter going in next year...But if Sharpe doesn't make it this year, gonna push all the pass catchers back...It seems to be Sharpe, Carter, Brown, Reed in the TE/WR order..The first three will all get elected at some point guaranteed, i have my doubts on Reed ever making it though...If he does, it will be awhile...The good news is that no other HOF caliber pass catchers will be in the mix until Marvin Harrison in 2014...
Jason
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This solidifies Little IMO...From maybe, probably to likely almost definite...
Jason
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ESmith, JRice, JRandle, RGrimm, RJackson
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Jasen
<< <i>Looks like Reed is ahead of both T.Brown and Carter after making the cut from 15 to 10. I'd put him in before those 2 also based upon his integral role on such a successful series of teams. Carter never made the SB and Brown went once. It's good to see him still above those guys.
Jasen >>
Carter not even making the final 10! WOW....Thats a crushing blow to his candidacy, since they discussed how those 3 WRs should be ranked for well over an hour...
Well, I called all the modern HOFers except Randle over Dent...Pretty surprised about that one, every single thing I heard in regards to Dent said he was going in this year...Was not really detecting a buzz on Randle...Maybe that was the trade off after bumping Carter from the top 10 to the Vikings guy..lol
Jason
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Deion Sanders
Marshall Faulk
Willie Roaf
Richard Dent
Shannon Sharpe
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<< <i>New HOFers will be selected tomorrow...Most of the voters have arrived in town, committee dinner was tonight....My final predictions.
Jerry Rice-LOCK
Emmitt Smith-LOCK
Richard Dent-LOCK
Russ Grimm
Rickey Jackson
Dick LeBeau-LOCK
Floyd Little
Won't be surprised if Sharpe gets the Rickey Jackson or Russ Grimm spot, but to be honest anyone other than my 5 moderns above (or Sharpe) gets in will be shocking to me at this point. It will mean someone really wowed the crowd with the player presentations. I didn't think Little would get the support, but sounding more and more like both Seniors will go in this year. LeBeau might get 100% of the vote like Emmitt and Rice..lol..This guy is BELOVED by the voters...And when you hear its ONLY about what he did as a player..Ummmmm..Right.....
We shall see tomorrow, I think the above would be a great HOF class.
Jason >>
Well, 6 out of 7 aint bad...Randle was more than deserving.
Jason
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<< <i>I can't believe Floyd Little is in the HOF. >>
Well, no worse than John Henry Johnson or Doak Walker...But agree, weak selection by the Senior committee.
Jason
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Floyd Little IMO should not have been selected. I don't consider him to have been better than Roger Craig or Terrell Davis, though his selection may portend their selection in the next few years.
For next year, I'll predict Sanders, Faulk, Sharpe, Dawson, Dent, Billy Howton, and Tommy Nobis.
Meanwhile, the modern WRs will continue to back up until 2012, when I think at least one of them gets in.
Nick
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