<< <i>It seems like a lot of you are asking about grading conditions and qualifiers, as if asking about real value and perhaps return on investment? >>
Are you assuming the only thing that someone can do with graded cards is sell them? >>
Then why are some of your buyers concerned about centering, miscuts or whether it would grade an 8 or 9? Besides, the value of graded cards are 1) authenticity, 2) condition assessment and 3) to fix a relative value. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any reason to ask about how they would grade - just enjoy them for what they are as raw cards from a fresh pack. I do, however, believe that nearly everyone here do understand "value". It doesn't matter if you have a small budget or a huge one like Jim C., no one likes to spend money without a return - whether it be tangible or intangible (which was how you missed the point). It's all a matter of degree to how one puts values on things that are paid for. Nothing really wrong with that since not everyone have play money to burn (if I did, breaks like these would be high on my list).
Personally, I believe we have gone way overboard in "book value" of cards - to the point that in the past 25 years, no one could open a pack without seeing how much "value" you got (like the star or rookie card or insert that books high).
A case for that concept can sure be made. But, absent some value beyond "fun," there would not be much of a card community. This board sure would not be here.
I like collectibles, but I do not buy expensive items unless I think there is at least some chance that I will make money or break even when I dump them.
Expensive is a relative thing, and no I do not think of the minis as "expensive." Everybody puts their own definition to what expensive means, based on lots of different factors.
A bunch of unopened packs of 1975 Minis are now starting to pop up on EBAY. Mine have not joined the hunt, yet.
The ONLY bummer about this event, for me, is that PSA is delayed in being able to holder the packs. Since I had always planned to grade the packs, I can either send them to GAI, or wait for PSA, or dump the little guys raw. (Please note, I had planned to sell the PSA-graded packs, too.)
I mean this in the best spirit, but I have not heard anybody who bought into this break complain about spending money on it. I spend/squander a lot of dough on things that usually turn out not to be profitable; I do always get something back out, and I have "fun." Sometimes, I hit a homerun. (Not too often.) The card "hobby" needs people like me, even if I do think of the little cards as financial instruments. I am a buyer and a seller, and that can only be good for people who want to preserve and expand the "hobby."
storm
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
<< <i> Then why are some of your buyers concerned about centering, miscuts or whether it would grade an 8 or 9? Besides, the value of graded cards are 1) authenticity, 2) condition assessment and 3) to fix a relative value. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any reason to ask about how they would grade - just enjoy them for what they are as raw cards from a fresh pack. I do, however, believe that nearly everyone here do understand "value". It doesn't matter if you have a small budget or a huge one like Jim C., no one likes to spend money without a return - whether it be tangible or intangible (which was how you missed the point). It's all a matter of degree to how one puts values on things that are paid for. Nothing really wrong with that since not everyone have play money to burn (if I did, breaks like these would be high on my list).
Personally, I believe we have gone way overboard in "book value" of cards - to the point that in the past 25 years, no one could open a pack without seeing how much "value" you got (like the star or rookie card or insert that books high). >>
Hey buc, why do you give a rats a$$? I have been around these boards looooong enough to KNOW that you are in this hobby for nothing else except to BE SURE that you can get your money back on anything you buy. And there is nothing wrong with that Not at all.
But why are you in this thread questioning those who have spent their money? Why are you so concerned with those of us who are posting scans wondering if cards will grade high? Guess what ...... I bought nine packs and I don't give a $HIT if every card was miscut. I don't care. However, I pulled a couple decent cards along with others and would sure like it if guys like you would keep your gaping holes shut if I post a scan wondering what grade a card might get.
Bottom line, don't come in this thread questioning peoples real motives..... that is what you are doing ....... big time lack of class.
<< <i> Anyway, Jordan should be congratulated for putting this whole thing together and for NOT taking the 25K and running to the hills. That the cards have been OC is beside the point. Besides, I think we'll all agree that if flushing $250 down the drain makes you queasy then this is not the hobby for you. >>
Lou Brock, p. 27, Zef Jim Rice RC, p. 32, Bosox1976 Gary Carter RC, p. 32, Bosox1976 '75 Rookie Pitchers, p. 32, Bosox1976 '75 Rookie Pitchers, p. 36, softparade Fred Lynn RC, p. 37, softparade Ron LeFlore, p. 37, Elemenopeo Dave Tomlin, p. 37, Elemenopeo Oscar Zamora, p. 37, Elemenopeo Keith Hernandez RC, p. 38, gfb 1974 MVPs, p. 38, gfb Nate Colbert, p. 38, gfb Tim McCarver, p. 38, alnavman Ed Figueroa, p. 38, alnavman (nicer than mine, dammit!) Fred Lynn RC, p. 38, Piman58 Bob Boone, p. 38, frankhardy Phil Niekro, p. 39, rounding3rd Jim Fuller, p. 40, alnavman Lou Brock, p. 41, gstarling Ron LeFlore, p. 41, gstarling Mike Garman, p. 41, gstarling Jim Rice RC, p. 44, stown '75 Rookie Pitchers, p. 44, stown
Ditto what zef said on the Lacy card. Is the white color on top due to the scan? If so, that card looks like a 9 to me, if not Gem Mint!
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Yeah, the white seems to be from the scan. My scanner isn't the best - HP printer/copier/scanner. The back is nicely centered too. How about that name - Leondaus?
Beautiful centering on the back, too. On a good day, you may get a PSA 10 with that card, and that will pay for all 6 packs you bought and then some! Good luck!
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I was going through my extra raw minis and found a few bigger than the others. I know that happened. I was wondering if anyone who crack this case has gotten any larger cards mixed in their packs?
Here are some scans of Libertyhead's cards that I am hosting.
Some nice cards Libertyhead. I pulled 2 of the RBI Leaders with Bench and both have the same faded area as in your card. Congrats on the Brett as well.
Let us know how those other packs do as Christmas presents.
A loud THANKS to Piman58..................for being the host w/the most,and yes Christmas is jus around the corner!.............also thanks HoofHearted for your offer to host.........some great people on this forum!
I've noticed several auctions on ebay offering packs from this break for sale. I wonder if those collectors who may have planned to open these packs are deciding to sell them unopened instead, because of the centering issues on most of these cards scanned so far?
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I threw mine up with a high retail price on them. They will get a few folks into the store, and the high price should boost bids for some of the other packs in auction format.
As the start of this thread attests, I never planned to rip the packs. I want to get them graded by PSA, but I do not mind using them as a billboard to try and get some traffic while I wait for the holders to arrive.
At this point the ONLY thing that works to get new buyers into the stores seems to be give-away auctions and FP format in CORE. The 1-cent auctions are working to get traffic, and once the buyers get their "free" stuff, some come back and I might have them forever.
I still think there are some good cards in the unopened packs; that thought is based on math. But, if you look at the raw minis on EBAY, most of them are substantially better centered than our sample has been; so my rough math could be irrelevant.
I dunno.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
there are some on ebay wow i guess the centering must have scared a few.
I dont know how zef feels about his pictures but the pictures i posted of the break are for the group to enjoy I dont want to see any of my pictures of the break end up in somebodys ebay auction no offense.
Hey guys the 75 mini break has been so fun I am redoing the top of my mini bar with 75 topps mini wrappers. plus since i was born in 75 it seems fitting decor . I want to cover the bar top with wrappers then seal the top so the wrappers will be forever sealed in the bar. I think this will make a great top since i am changing the bar to more of a sports theme.
i have 45 wrappers but need i figured 250 or so to cover the whole bar top if any body form the break does not want the wrappers please let me knowor if anyone has old wrappers let me know please. I will post some pics of the bar top when its done.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Hey guys the 75 mini break has been so fun I am redoing the top of my mini bar with 75 topps mini wrappers. plus since i was born in 75 it seems fitting decor . I want to cover the bar top with wrappers then seal the top so the wrappers will be forever sealed in the bar. I think this will make a great top since i am changing the bar to more of a sports theme.
i have 45 wrappers but need i figured 250 or so to cover the whole bar top if any body form the break does not want the wrappers please let me knowor if anyone has old wrappers let me know please. I will post some pics of the bar top when its done.
My Home Mini bar Set up (see pic in earlier post!)
Geeez, I would need a designated person to get me up the stairs from the basement. Wow! that is one nice looking "basement watering hole"!
rd
edit: those stone tiles on the floor are a nice touch too!
<< <i>My lost UPS parcel finally arrived. 42 packs of ripping fun >>
Ah man that looks like it is going to be a blast! Maybe the best is yet to come.
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You are more disciplined than I am. I would have opened them in 30 minutes flat.
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<< <i>It seems like a lot of you are asking about grading conditions and qualifiers, as if asking about real value and perhaps return on investment? >>
Are you assuming the only thing that someone can do with graded cards is sell them? >>
Then why are some of your buyers concerned about centering, miscuts or whether it would grade an 8 or 9? Besides, the value of graded cards are 1) authenticity, 2) condition assessment and 3) to fix a relative value. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any reason to ask about how they would grade - just enjoy them for what they are as raw cards from a fresh pack. I do, however, believe that nearly everyone here do understand "value". It doesn't matter if you have a small budget or a huge one like Jim C., no one likes to spend money without a return - whether it be tangible or intangible (which was how you missed the point). It's all a matter of degree to how one puts values on things that are paid for. Nothing really wrong with that since not everyone have play money to burn (if I did, breaks like these would be high on my list).
Personally, I believe we have gone way overboard in "book value" of cards - to the point that in the past 25 years, no one could open a pack without seeing how much "value" you got (like the star or rookie card or insert that books high).
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A case for that concept can sure be made. But, absent some value
beyond "fun," there would not be much of a card community. This
board sure would not be here.
I like collectibles, but I do not buy expensive items unless I think
there is at least some chance that I will make money or break even
when I dump them.
Expensive is a relative thing, and no I do not think of the minis
as "expensive." Everybody puts their own definition to what
expensive means, based on lots of different factors.
A bunch of unopened packs of 1975 Minis are now starting to
pop up on EBAY. Mine have not joined the hunt, yet.
The ONLY bummer about this event, for me, is that PSA is delayed
in being able to holder the packs. Since I had always planned to
grade the packs, I can either send them to GAI, or wait for PSA,
or dump the little guys raw. (Please note, I had planned to sell
the PSA-graded packs, too.)
I mean this in the best spirit, but I have not heard anybody who
bought into this break complain about spending money on it. I
spend/squander a lot of dough on things that usually turn out
not to be profitable; I do always get something back out, and I
have "fun." Sometimes, I hit a homerun. (Not too often.) The
card "hobby" needs people like me, even if I do think of the
little cards as financial instruments. I am a buyer and a seller,
and that can only be good for people who want to preserve
and expand the "hobby."
storm
<< <i> Then why are some of your buyers concerned about centering, miscuts or whether it would grade an 8 or 9? Besides, the value of graded cards are 1) authenticity, 2) condition assessment and 3) to fix a relative value. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any reason to ask about how they would grade - just enjoy them for what they are as raw cards from a fresh pack. I do, however, believe that nearly everyone here do understand "value". It doesn't matter if you have a small budget or a huge one like Jim C., no one likes to spend money without a return - whether it be tangible or intangible (which was how you missed the point). It's all a matter of degree to how one puts values on things that are paid for. Nothing really wrong with that since not everyone have play money to burn (if I did, breaks like these would be high on my list).
Personally, I believe we have gone way overboard in "book value" of cards - to the point that in the past 25 years, no one could open a pack without seeing how much "value" you got (like the star or rookie card or insert that books high). >>
Hey buc, why do you give a rats a$$? I have been around these boards looooong enough to KNOW that you are in this hobby for nothing else except to BE SURE that you can get your money back on anything you buy. And there is nothing wrong with that
But why are you in this thread questioning those who have spent their money? Why are you so concerned with those of us who are posting scans wondering if cards will grade high? Guess what ...... I bought nine packs and I don't give a $HIT if every card was miscut. I don't care. However, I pulled a couple decent cards along with others and would sure like it if guys like you would keep your gaping holes shut if I post a scan wondering what grade a card might get.
Bottom line, don't come in this thread questioning peoples real motives..... that is what you are doing ....... big time lack of class.
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
<< <i> Anyway, Jordan should be congratulated for putting this whole thing together and for NOT taking the 25K and running to the hills. That the cards have been OC is beside the point. Besides, I think we'll all agree that if flushing $250 down the drain makes you queasy then this is not the hobby for you. >>
right on boo
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Paleo, nice roundup....
Lou Brock, p. 27, Zef
Jim Rice RC, p. 32, Bosox1976
Gary Carter RC, p. 32, Bosox1976
'75 Rookie Pitchers, p. 32, Bosox1976
'75 Rookie Pitchers, p. 36, softparade
Fred Lynn RC, p. 37, softparade
Ron LeFlore, p. 37, Elemenopeo
Dave Tomlin, p. 37, Elemenopeo
Oscar Zamora, p. 37, Elemenopeo
Keith Hernandez RC, p. 38, gfb
1974 MVPs, p. 38, gfb
Nate Colbert, p. 38, gfb
Tim McCarver, p. 38, alnavman
Ed Figueroa, p. 38, alnavman (nicer than mine, dammit!)
Fred Lynn RC, p. 38, Piman58
Bob Boone, p. 38, frankhardy
Phil Niekro, p. 39, rounding3rd
Jim Fuller, p. 40, alnavman
Lou Brock, p. 41, gstarling
Ron LeFlore, p. 41, gstarling
Mike Garman, p. 41, gstarling
Jim Rice RC, p. 44, stown
'75 Rookie Pitchers, p. 44, stown
<< <i>Thanks 80's. Here's the best from pack 5. Pack 6 is calling my name but I'm trying to resist.
Nice Lacy! That is a low pop in high grade! Looks sweet from here.
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
from the 10-04-06 case break.
Radically Miscut = Cards with two players (or almost two players) pictured,
and sharp corners.
Some nice cards Libertyhead. I pulled 2 of the RBI Leaders with Bench and both have the same faded area as in your card.
Congrats on the Brett as well.
Let us know how those other packs do as Christmas presents.
looks good
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
I got about 1 card in every other pack that seem to be slightly larger than average. Typically was the only well centered card in the pack.
Bosox1976
Typically was the only well centered card in the pack."
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I am starting to strongly suspect that the above finding
is the key to MCs.
Anybody have any PSA 8 minis to compare these MCs against?
(I sold all of mine last month for tiny money.)
Also, if you have a nicely centered card from this break, try
comparing it to a bunch of the MCs.
Anybody know where the best centered cards found thus far
were located on the uncut sheets?
storm
Photo ripped from ebay. Card is $35.00 + freight.
Maybe the centering was borderline, but the white lines are pretty straight.
That may indicate that the straight lines are very important.
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And, we will see some more as time passes.
I threw mine up with a high retail price on them. They will
get a few folks into the store, and the high price should
boost bids for some of the other packs in auction format.
As the start of this thread attests, I never planned to rip
the packs. I want to get them graded by PSA, but I do not
mind using them as a billboard to try and get some traffic
while I wait for the holders to arrive.
At this point the ONLY thing that works to get new buyers
into the stores seems to be give-away auctions and FP
format in CORE. The 1-cent auctions are working to get traffic,
and once the buyers get their "free" stuff, some come back
and I might have them forever.
I still think there are some good cards in the unopened packs;
that thought is based on math. But, if you look at the raw minis
on EBAY, most of them are substantially better centered than
our sample has been; so my rough math could be irrelevant.
I dunno.
I dont know how zef feels about his pictures but the pictures i posted of the break are for the group to enjoy I dont want to see any of my pictures of the break end up in somebodys ebay auction no offense.
i have 45 wrappers but need i figured 250 or so to cover the whole bar top if any body form the break does not want the wrappers please let me knowor if anyone has old wrappers let me know please. I will post some pics of the bar top when its done.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Bosox1976
Thanks for the info.
<< <i>and you leave the basement for what reason? >>
Well this explains 80's pic with zef and Steve Hart
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
<< <i>Hey guys the 75 mini break has been so fun I am redoing the top of my mini bar with 75 topps mini wrappers. plus since i was born in 75 it seems fitting decor . I want to cover the bar top with wrappers then seal the top so the wrappers will be forever sealed in the bar. I think this will make a great top since i am changing the bar to more of a sports theme.
i have 45 wrappers but need i figured 250 or so to cover the whole bar top if any body form the break does not want the wrappers please let me knowor if anyone has old wrappers let me know please. I will post some pics of the bar top when its done.
My Home Mini bar Set up (see pic in earlier post!)
Geeez, I would need a designated person to get me up the stairs from the basement. Wow! that is one nice looking "basement watering hole"!
rd
edit: those stone tiles on the floor are a nice touch too!
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Quicksilver Messenger Service - The Hat (Live) 1971
highly recommended for your bar
<< <i>My lost UPS parcel finally arrived. 42 packs of ripping fun >>
Ah man that looks like it is going to be a blast! Maybe the best is yet to come.
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<< <i>NYYDM23.....that is an awesome sight!! Are you gonna rip or save 'em? Glad they showed up for ya anyway.
Dan >>
I plan on ripping most if not all. If I open 6 per day they will last me a week or 1 a day and they will last me 6 weeks. decisions decisions
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FR-1509 ,FR-1509*,FR-1510,FR-1510*,FR-1511*,FR-1512*,FR-1514*
in PCGS 66 or 67PPQ**
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