Zef, bummer 'bout those DC's - mebbe I open one of my packs, and if I gets the same deal, I leave the others sealed? We'll see.
Oh, and to anyone who got themselves a whole box and would be interested in selling the empty cardboard box, I would love a PM. Give first dibs to the other guy in this thread who mentioned it tho - I got the idea from him.
<< <i>Would it be useful for the pack rippers to record the sequencing of their cards to create a master sequence list? Such a list would be available to the involved parties. Just a suggestion, as it would be incredible information to have and perhapps a rare opportunity to capture the data.
-Scott >>
I'm sorry but I am completely against that and will not post my sequence. While your intentions may be for the good, too many bad things could come from it.
If anyone posts theirs, just remember that you are assisting pack searchers!!
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
I agree with your concerns on the pack searches. It is for that reason that I don't sell my empty wax boxes. An empty wax box and a sequence list in the hands of a pack searcher spells trouble. The unfortunate thing is that it really would be great data to accumulate.
Scott
My sets: 1977 Topps Star Wars - "Space Swashbucklers"
Don't take the statement that having an empty box as a blanket statement that ALL people with empty boxes are repackagers.
However...... There ARE people that buy empty boxes, empty wrappers, and DO repackage cards. I hope nobody on here.....but if someone would come across a thread discussing pack distribution who IS a repackager, then we ARE aiding these scammers.
Maybe if you guys did talk about pack order...etc. it might be good to do it via PM.
Trying to complete: 2000 Bowman Chrome 2002 Topps Heritage NAP 2003 Topps Heritage chrome and seat relics 2006 Topps Heritage refractors and relics 2007 Topps Heritage refractors and relics 2008 Topps Heritage refractors and relics 2006 Topps Heritage and Topps Chrome football
Wouldn't sequential order or a system of predicting cards require another case-fresh box of packs to be accurate? If someone opens a whole box of '75 Mini's and keeps track of where certain cards get pulled wouldn't that only be useful to someone who has another case-fresh wax box of '75 Minis?
I'm guessing these cases aren't exactly floating around. Then again, I don't know my ass from my elbow.
Aside from not wanting to establish a way for people to pick cello boxes clean of star cards, I think it's pointless for people to try. I've never tried to analyze it, but I'm pretty sure there is no sequence to vintage packs. If there is, it's not a fullproof method because I recall opening a lot of packs back in that era and my duplicates did not occur in any order. In other words, I might get a duplicate of a particular card, but not of adjacent cards in the packs.
based on what I"ve just read please ignore my previous message saying I would supply info on my opened packs. I won't provide any data on the packs I open. I didn't realize that someone could actually take that info and search packs.....you learn something new everyday........
I can't speak for vintage but I do know fresh, unmixed, untampered 1989 Upper Deck boxes have a pattern where you can easily find the the Griffey card. This is why nobody should ever buy an unsealed box or loose packs of this particular product. 1991 Stadium Club football has a certain distribution I will not disclose where you can easily pick out the Brett Favre card. It is another product I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. I confess, I bought a few "thicker" retail packs in my time and some of those jersey cards. Some really unscupulous sellers actually weigh packs of cards to the nearest gram or smaller increment. Just the added sticker on an autographed card can tip a sensitive scale. The leftover packs are often found on eBay. Pack buying these days is getting really spooky unless you land a sealed case (and who is to say those seals are not faked). This whole converstaion makes me want to never buy a pack again but I know I will.
"One you start thinking you're the best then you might as well quit because you wont get any better" - Dale Earnhardt
I know when I started collecting (1987) that all of those packs had a pattern.
The best was going to Wal Mart in 1988 when they had like 50 cases of score lined up on the front wall and my brother and I would look at the front and back of those packs and be able to know which ones had Greg Jeffries. Glad I spent all my time doing that!
Trying to complete: 2000 Bowman Chrome 2002 Topps Heritage NAP 2003 Topps Heritage chrome and seat relics 2006 Topps Heritage refractors and relics 2007 Topps Heritage refractors and relics 2008 Topps Heritage refractors and relics 2006 Topps Heritage and Topps Chrome football
Sadly the 89 Fleer has sequences so people can cherry pick those. There is a few times the sequences were changed I found but appears to be a handful of cards were grabbed and switched as there was no consistency. Unsure of vintage sequences.
To clear my name (just in case), earlier I asked about the empty box,I meant the case box as it was sitting on the stack to mail out. I know some people who keep items like that to display with their unopened collections. I wish I could refill it with searched packs and get 25K. JK
<< <i>Chances are I'm completely off-base, but ...
Wouldn't sequential order or a system of predicting cards require another case-fresh box of packs to be accurate? If someone opens a whole box of '75 Mini's and keeps track of where certain cards get pulled wouldn't that only be useful to someone who has another case-fresh wax box of '75 Minis?
I'm guessing these cases aren't exactly floating around. Then again, I don't know my ass from my elbow.
Arthur >>
Not confirmed by me but I have been told where to pull a FF version from a wax box. The cello and rack collation patterns differ from each other in 89 Fleer. I'll PM the rest.
I remember the 89 Fleer having a pattern. Dealers used to have to put cardboard over opened cello and rack boxes and make buyers reach under the cardboard and grab a pack randomly to prevent them from cherry picking the packs.
<< <i>I remember the 89 Fleer having a pattern. Dealers used to have to put cardboard over opened cello and rack boxes and make buyers reach under the cardboard and grab a pack randomly to prevent them from cherry picking the packs. >>
Or they were hiding the fact that they searched the boxes and this way you wouldnt know.
Wacky stuff. Well, suffice to say I'm not a pack-repackager, I would just enjoy having an empty '75 mini box in my collection. Seems silly to have to even think of discarding, destroying or not selling these because someone who bought one might possibly fill them with rewrapped packs. JMO.
<< <i>Would it be useful for the pack rippers to record the sequencing of their cards to create a master sequence list? Such a list would be available to the involved parties. Just a suggestion, as it would be incredible information to have and perhapps a rare opportunity to capture the data.
-Scott >>
I just received my full box, and yes, I'll carefully record the sequence of not only each pack, but where the pack sequence was also located in the box itself.......IF I DECIDE TO OPEN ANYWAY.
Here's to hoping everyone's remaning cards are all PSA10s, and that I have 3-5 of all the premium cards in PSA9 or better......
Also, of note, is that this box was 100% virgin, IMO. I carefully opened and tipped up several of the packs and they were just slightly "tacky" against the other packs, i.e., the packs in the box had not been moved or switched out.
So, whatever I decide, thanks Zef, and thanks Steve/BBCE for setting this case break up!
And Zef, if my wife contacts you, I've had these cards since around 1980 or so when I bought out John Hipps' bulk cards......
What state do you live in? You already have yours? That's pretty quick. I live in KY, so Chicago isn't all that far. Can I expect mine today, ya think?
Wouldn't sequential order or a system of predicting cards require another case-fresh box of packs to be accurate? If someone opens a whole box of '75 Mini's and keeps track of where certain cards get pulled wouldn't that only be useful to someone who has another case-fresh wax box of '75 Minis?
Here's the problem with the above statement...
ANY pack that is on the market...whether it is case fresh...or in a GAI case..or even loose can be searched if the information hits the info highway...
A dealer could have 10 packs in his whole collection....look at the list of sequence...and then say.."oh, these 2 packs have stars in them...and the rest shouldn't...so I'll rip those and just sell (or worse..reseal) the others"... and let them go out KNOWING that they contain little else.
Sequence is a major part of product searching...and has been for years.... As for 89 Upper Deck...once a case is broken..it's a crap shoot...I don't even think they were factory wrapped in the case.
Rack packs have always been a sore spot. You used to only be able to trust sealed cases...but even those are suspect these days as 1989FleerBillRipkencollector and I can both attest to after each buying cases of bogus 1989 Fleer Racks.
It never changes...I bought a rack box of 1986 Topps Football...as I am working on the #2 Registry Set. I fully intended on ripping it as it was sold as FRESH from the case.."unsearched"... Well...I've ripped a 1.5 cases of these the last 2 years....30 seconds after looking at my new box...I could tell it wasn't legit and didn't have any Rice rookies in it. I was granted a refund...but it was a loss of time and then I had to repack it...problem is...someone else will undoubtabley buy it from the same seller and never know the difference!!
I agree with keeping info quiet too....too much knowledge only helps the thieves....
Word to the above statements. Also I noticed you even had the correct caps on my name. I didnt mean to make the C in collector small,just happened. A+ for your attention to detail. There was a earlier post about possibly posting sequences....please dont. It can only cause problems. PM it to those you know who want it. Someday I might like to buy a 75 rack and want a fair chance of pulling a star.
thats why i always just throw the wrappers away. and lets not forget about the 86 fleer basketball - i dont know the pattern but supposedly its very apparent where the jordan is in an unsearched box.
<< <i>thats why i always just throw the wrappers away. and lets not forget about the 86 fleer basketball - i dont know the pattern but supposedly its very apparent where the jordan is in an unsearched box. >>
Even worse I believe 86 fleer bask. are in numerical order!
Busting 9 tonight. Horrendous miscuts mixed in with well centered cards. Couple packs entirely centered right or left. This is all I have the stomach for tonight. Corners, edges, and surface are all 8/9/10 centering is pretty bad though.
This last batch is a bummer... All 9's or 10's if centered.
<< <i> Somebody should come up with a name that designates the October 4, 2006 BBCE CU BLB PSA Case Break. Maybe PSA will do it, if enough people request it.
>>
I DO NOT think that is a good idea if more and more of these packs prove to be so badly cut
Comments
Oh, and to anyone who got themselves a whole box and would be interested in selling the empty cardboard box, I would love a PM. Give first dibs to the other guy in this thread who mentioned it tho - I got the idea from him.
<< <i>Would it be useful for the pack rippers to record the sequencing of their cards to create a master sequence list? Such a list would be available to the involved parties. Just a suggestion, as it would be incredible information to have and perhapps a rare opportunity to capture the data.
-Scott >>
I'm sorry but I am completely against that and will not post my sequence. While your intentions may be for the good, too many bad things could come from it.
If anyone posts theirs, just remember that you are assisting pack searchers!!
I agree with your concerns on the pack searches. It is for that reason that I don't sell my empty wax boxes. An empty wax box and a sequence list in the hands of a pack searcher spells trouble. The unfortunate thing is that it really would be great data to accumulate.
Scott
1977 Topps Star Wars - "Space Swashbucklers"
Im ripping mine anway but i dont know much about DC
Guess I'd better burn the one empty '65 Topps box I have - wouldn't wanna assist any of those searchers of all those unopened '65 packs.
However......
There ARE people that buy empty boxes, empty wrappers, and DO repackage cards. I hope nobody on here.....but if someone would come across a thread discussing pack distribution who IS a repackager, then we ARE aiding these scammers.
Maybe if you guys did talk about pack order...etc. it might be good to do it via PM.
2000 Bowman Chrome
2002 Topps Heritage NAP
2003 Topps Heritage chrome and seat relics
2006 Topps Heritage refractors and relics
2007 Topps Heritage refractors and relics
2008 Topps Heritage refractors and relics
2006 Topps Heritage and Topps Chrome football
Wouldn't sequential order or a system of predicting cards require another case-fresh box of packs to be accurate? If someone opens a whole box of '75 Mini's and keeps track of where certain cards get pulled wouldn't that only be useful to someone who has another case-fresh wax box of '75 Minis?
I'm guessing these cases aren't exactly floating around. Then again, I don't know my ass from my elbow.
Arthur
al.
The best was going to Wal Mart in 1988 when they had like 50 cases of score lined up on the front wall and my brother and I would look at the front and back of those packs and be able to know which ones had Greg Jeffries. Glad I spent all my time doing that!
2000 Bowman Chrome
2002 Topps Heritage NAP
2003 Topps Heritage chrome and seat relics
2006 Topps Heritage refractors and relics
2007 Topps Heritage refractors and relics
2008 Topps Heritage refractors and relics
2006 Topps Heritage and Topps Chrome football
To clear my name (just in case), earlier I asked about the empty box,I meant the case box as it was sitting on the stack to mail out. I know some people who keep items like that to display with their unopened collections. I wish I could refill it with searched packs and get 25K. JK
<< <i>Chances are I'm completely off-base, but ...
Wouldn't sequential order or a system of predicting cards require another case-fresh box of packs to be accurate? If someone opens a whole box of '75 Mini's and keeps track of where certain cards get pulled wouldn't that only be useful to someone who has another case-fresh wax box of '75 Minis?
I'm guessing these cases aren't exactly floating around. Then again, I don't know my ass from my elbow.
Arthur >>
Not confirmed by me but I have been told where to pull a FF version from a wax box. The cello and rack collation patterns differ from each other in 89 Fleer. I'll PM the rest.
<< <i>I remember the 89 Fleer having a pattern. Dealers used to have to put cardboard over opened cello and rack boxes and make buyers reach under the cardboard and grab a pack randomly to prevent them from cherry picking the packs. >>
Or they were hiding the fact that they searched the boxes and this way you wouldnt know.
Thanks for putting this together.
Good luck this weekend, hope you have a great wedding!!!!
Peace
Doug
45% complete.
<< <i>Would it be useful for the pack rippers to record the sequencing of their cards to create a master sequence list? Such a list would be available to the involved parties. Just a suggestion, as it would be incredible information to have and perhapps a rare opportunity to capture the data.
-Scott >>
I just received my full box, and yes, I'll carefully record the sequence of not only each pack, but where the pack sequence was also located in the box itself.......IF I DECIDE TO OPEN ANYWAY.
Here's to hoping everyone's remaning cards are all PSA10s, and that I have 3-5 of all the premium cards in PSA9 or better......
Also, of note, is that this box was 100% virgin, IMO. I carefully opened and tipped up several of the packs and they were just slightly "tacky" against the other packs, i.e., the packs in the box had not been moved or switched out.
So, whatever I decide, thanks Zef, and thanks Steve/BBCE for setting this case break up!
And Zef, if my wife contacts you, I've had these cards since around 1980 or so when I bought out John Hipps' bulk cards......
What state do you live in? You already have yours? That's pretty quick. I live in KY, so Chicago isn't all that far. Can I expect mine today, ya think?
Shane
I will post scans 2nite, I am very excited to see how we all fair.
Thanks Zef & Steve for hard work.
Julen
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RIP GURU
I'm really looking forward to scans.
I know there's a few 10s in all those cards!
Good luck!
mike
Here's the problem with the above statement...
ANY pack that is on the market...whether it is case fresh...or in a GAI case..or even loose can be searched if the information hits the info highway...
A dealer could have 10 packs in his whole collection....look at the list of sequence...and then say.."oh, these 2 packs have stars in them...and the rest shouldn't...so I'll rip those and just sell (or worse..reseal) the others"... and let them go out KNOWING that they contain little else.
Sequence is a major part of product searching...and has been for years....
As for 89 Upper Deck...once a case is broken..it's a crap shoot...I don't even think they were factory wrapped in the case.
Rack packs have always been a sore spot. You used to only be able to trust sealed cases...but even those are suspect these days as 1989FleerBillRipkencollector and I can both attest to after each buying cases of bogus 1989 Fleer Racks.
It never changes...I bought a rack box of 1986 Topps Football...as I am working on the #2 Registry Set. I fully intended on ripping it as it was sold as FRESH from the case.."unsearched"...
Well...I've ripped a 1.5 cases of these the last 2 years....30 seconds after looking at my new box...I could tell it wasn't legit and didn't have any Rice rookies in it. I was granted a refund...but it was a loss of time and then I had to repack it...problem is...someone else will undoubtabley buy it from the same seller and never know the difference!!
I agree with keeping info quiet too....too much knowledge only helps the thieves....
And I'd still like owning an empty '75 mini box!
<< <i>thats why i always just throw the wrappers away. and lets not forget about the 86 fleer basketball - i dont know the pattern but supposedly its very apparent where the jordan is in an unsearched box. >>
Even worse I believe 86 fleer bask. are in numerical order!
Bosox1976
<< <i>Yahtzee! >>
Congrats! I'll probably be one of the last to get my packs being on the west coast...
Open, open, open. Scan, scan, scan!!
<< <i>Yahtzee!
Sweet! Can't wait to get mine
Bosox1976
<< <i>Yahtzee!
OPEN SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shane
email bcmiller7@comcast.net
<< <i>????
Wow! It's all or nothin' with these packs. Love that rookies card -- it's a beaut!
Luck o'the draw as zef keeps sayin'...
Whatcha gonna do with those 1/1s, Mike??
Bosox1976
The Carter does look nice.
I was planning on busting all my packs, may open one and if it's not good, may have to slab the other packs.
Nice Rice rookie also.
Peace
Doug
45% complete.
<< <i>????
OUCH!!!
But I got to say I am a sick puppy cause I collect horrible miscuts like those.
Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess
This last batch is a bummer... All 9's or 10's if centered.
Bosox1976
Bosox1976
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
The ad says they will consider putting some kind
of personalization on the slab.
Somebody should come up with a name that
designates the October 4, 2006 BBCE CU BLB
PSA Case Break. Maybe PSA will do it, if
enough people request it.
storm
<< <i> Somebody should come up with a name that
designates the October 4, 2006 BBCE CU BLB
PSA Case Break. Maybe PSA will do it, if
enough people request it.
>>
I DO NOT think that is a good idea if more and more of these packs prove to be so badly cut
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
<< <i>????
I can't believe that Topps would put something that bad in a pack? Where is quality control! That is horrid! Nice Carter, though.
Shane
these packs prove to be so badly cut."
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I was just thinking that we probably should ask to have
this thread locked; with password-only access by the
victims.
Or, maybe all images should be deleted.