The PSA 8 Shantz that is on EBAY right now IMHO does not meet the 8 grading guidelines with respect to centering. Too far off top to bottom to be an 8.
AZ >>
Al,
Like I said before,PSA is currently more concerned with corners than centering........how much do you think the centering devalues the card?
Like many of you, I check out the PSA 59 listings on Ebay every day.
I'm often very surprised at the centering on some PSA 8s. On some if you measure they are within specs though not very attractive, but some seem to be easily outside of an 8.
I am looking for 2 cards to complete my set, PSA 7 or better. I'll even consider 6s. I need Billy O'Dell and the Cards team card. This will complete and I can upgrade later.
I just picked up a decent PSA 7 at a reasonable price. Considering that the SMRP for a PSA 8 is only $45, I'm wondering what a reasonable price would be for this card? I am acutely aware of the recent bids for certain 1959 cards.
A good day for me!! I just acquired a PSA 8 Don Hoak card so my 1959 Topps Baseball Basic Set is 100% complete in PSA 8's and PSA 9's. It has taken awhile but it is a fun goal to achieve. I have 3 cards left in the Master Set to complete in all 8's and 9's. They are two of the No Option and No Trade variations and the Spahn variation Born in 1931 cards. Once I get those, the Master Set will be where I want it too. It will probably take me awhile to find those 3 cards.
I just picked up a decent PSA 7 at a reasonable price. Considering that the SMRP for a PSA 8 is only $45, I'm wondering what a reasonable price would be for this card? I am acutely aware of the recent bids for certain 1959 cards. >>
There are at least two "heavy hitters" that don't have the Infield Power card in an 8.Both would go $400 without batting an eye.They haven't shown up as bidders yet.Anything below $400 would be a good buy at this time. I don't know if that is reasonable or not,but that seems to be the market now.
<< <i> There are at least two "heavy hitters" that don't have the Infield Power card in an 8.Both would go $400 without batting an eye.They haven't shown up as bidders yet.Anything below $400 would be a good buy at this time. I don't know if that is reasonable or not,but that seems to be the market now.
>>
I will just sit tight with my cheap little 7. I realize that these prices are the market right now, but I think that this 1959 Topps bubble will burst eventually. I certainly hope not, and I can certainly financially afford to bid in the stratosphere with the others, but I detest making poor investments. Lucent was once a good buy at over $100 a share, too.
If there is any of you or know someone that has graded 59s for sale 6 or better this is all I have left.42 Wall,133 Lillis,218 Mejias,266 Held,320 Skinner,304 Cubs Team,425 Crandall,443 Spencer,499 Obrien,553 Cepeda. Could use a Hanebrink NO TRADE,Lumenti NO OPTION & Spahn born 31 will take a 5 in these 3.
I am in the process of listing hundreds of graded 59s on ebay. Thus far I have listed a starter set of 52 PSA 7s includings stars and HOFs and a number of 8s including some very tough low pops. The remainder will list tomorrow evening. Most are at auction with opening bids of $.99 with a few in my ebay store. You can view my listings and my ebay store at the links below. Most of these cards (the ones with cert numbers beginning 063) came from a very high end raw set I broke and sent for grading. They are super nice. If you like high gloss cards with super centering take a look at my ebay auctions.
View my inventory of PSA Graded Cards at My Ebay Store
One of my subs popped last week and this gem was on it. I bought this card raw at the National in Anaheim. Given the difficulty of finding nice raw in this age of grading, I am feeling pretty good about this one, now added to my registry set.
Don
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball set registry id Don Johnson Collection ebay id truecollector14
would you care to tell us what you paid for that raw? or for all of the ones you sub'd..(the 59's) I'm pretty sure I made a "9" in that card a sub or 2 ago. I got 4 of them back this time in 8.
I think I've picked up a decent "eye" on the grading on the 59 and 60's and wouldn't mind going to a show if one was ever close.
<< <i>Goose, I paid $36 for the raw Words of Wisdom. >>
Boy nice job Don,I wish I could find a raw Hanebrink and Lumenti variation in those conditions.I have raws on both however the Hanebrink was graded as non holdered miscut and my Lumenti has a minor crease to it.I am almost near the end of the journey finally however the last few cards may take a LOOOOOONNNNNNNG time to find and becoming more of a challange than I thought it would be as with the exception of the above stated cards none of the remaining cards are real low pops but I just cant seem to find the cotton pickin cards.
Down to needing 8 more cards now maybe 7 after today.Still Ranking #11.Cards are getting extremely difficult to find prefer 7s or better but might settle for a 6 on the 3 variation cards that are left.Spahn Born 1931,Hanebrink No Trade,Lumenti No Option.
<< <i>A new '59 sub popped today. Happy with the grades on some tough cards.
PSA Order Status for Submission # 600891
LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE 1 04529478 1959 TOPPS 310 LUIS APARICIO N/A 8 2 04529479 1959 TOPPS 372 JIM HEGAN N/A 8 3 04529480 1959 TOPPS 322 HARRY HANEBRINK WITH TRADE STATEMENT 8 4 04529481 1959 TOPPS 330 GUS TRIANDOS N/A Not Holdered, Miscut 5 04529482 1959 TOPPS 76 BOBBY RICHARDSON N/A 8 6 04529483 1959 TOPPS 445 CAL McLISH N/A 8 7 04529484 1959 TOPPS 115 MICKEY VERNON N/A 8 8 04529485 1959 TOPPS 450 ED MATHEWS N/A 7 9 04529486 1959 TOPPS 61 DICK BROWN N/A 8 10 04529487 1959 TOPPS 178 RUBEN AMARO N/A 7
Date Received: 10/13/2006 Date of Grades Posted: 10/18/2006 Date Shipped: 10/18/2006 >>
OH WOW !!!!!!!!! GREAT JOB.Especially the Dick Brown!!!& Mickey Vernon!!in 8s.Now I am down to 2 cards from completion however I still need to upgrade a very few sub 6s.Waiting on a Hanebrink No Trade raw to arrive any day now.Scan looked good however I need to keep my fingers crossed since so many of this variation were miscut and difficult to notice.I hope this one makes the grade when I send it in. Dealer seems Top Level.
I am sending you my T square and sheet rock knife. *wink*
How about coming to St. Louis this weekend for the St. Louis Sports Collectors show? There is a lot of vintage there, mostly raw. I am near the stage, but I don't sell cards. Anyone coming, stop by and say "hello".
Al, it would be great if I could come to St. Louis but I have other plans this weekend. I love looking through raw cards so it sounds like it will be good. Hopefully it will be a good show.
Don
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball set registry id Don Johnson Collection ebay id truecollector14
St. Louis show was OK. Not great, not weak. Brett Hull cancelled and Marshall Faulk drew well. So did Ted Simmons to the public. The vintage raw was plentiful, but condition was ex ex-mt. Greg Dragos from NC flew up to hang out with me and bought a beautiful 57 Topps Basketball set for $2,500. Cards are pack fresh but all OC. Still he sells raw and should do well with the set break. He also bough a lot of 51 Bowman, 60 Topps, etc ex ex-mt raw for his inventory. Overall, I did well at the show in sales with World Series balls and Cardinals memorabilia.
Couldn't get tickets to the WS game. So we went to Ozzie Smith's restaurant on Friday night. A lot of dealers there including Andy Madec. Was a zoo when the Cards won. Got Ozzie to sign a coaster from his restaurant. Willie McGee and Whitey Herzog were also there in VIP section. Saturday night we took the train downtown and I showed Greg the sights and we gambled a bit.
After St. Louis, I drove down to Nashville TN to visit my Uncle. Toured the replica Parthenon and the city. Beautiful area, business is booming and the people are very courteous (not like NY and NJ) *laugh*
Then came home on Thursday and reloaded for NJ MAB show this past weekend. Was a whirlwind month. Glad to be back at home.
Near the end of the road with my 59 Master Set.Recieved my Thacker PSA 8 card today and now I am waiting for the results any day now on the Hanebrink no trade.Have had a rejection so far as being a miscut altough for the life of me I do not see it.Found another raw one a while back and I sent it in and grade should pop any day now.Keeping my fingers crossed.I do not plan on retiring the set as I would like to upgrade the handful the 3 or 4 5s and one 4 thats in the set.Its been a great journey.
Here is a question I hope someone on this board can answer.There are 3 lines on the population report for the 59 Topps Hanebrink.One is for the traded,the other No trade and the other is just blank with populations on all 3 can someone explain why.Could it be that when a this card was submitted that it was not indicated whether it was a no trade or traded?I am very curious about this.
fiveniner....you are correct, especially early on, the card would be submitted without any designation and it was graded as such. So, in this pop ti can and does contain both variations.
Don
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball set registry id Don Johnson Collection ebay id truecollector14
<< <i>fiveniner....you are correct, especially early on, the card would be submitted without any designation and it was graded as such. So, in this pop ti can and does contain both variations. >>
How important is it for serious 59 collectors to have both the white back and gray back for card #s 199-286? It doesn't seem the Master Set ratings distinguish between them, although they should.
Also, I've heard on these boards that gray is less common. Any opinions? My 59s are about equally divided.
OK, you knew it was coming, so here's the promo: I have a Kipp PSA 8 gray back and a Kline PSA 8 white back on ebay, ending Dec. 7 at 6:30 pm, Pacific Coast time.
Hi to all you guys I've dealt with during the past year.
Collecting both versions grey and back were my primary goal when I started my venture however I decided after completing my master set without both versions to give it a rest for a while although I am always open to considering making an offer for any card that I may need. Anyone one is free to PM me if they have anything to offer between 199 and 286 graded 6 or better or real nice raw cards.I do have the variations listed on the registery that I now have.
Comments
<< <i>Steve/Don:
The PSA 8 Shantz that is on EBAY right now IMHO does not meet the 8 grading guidelines with respect to centering. Too far off top to bottom to be an 8.
AZ >>
Al,
Like I said before,PSA is currently more concerned with corners than centering........how much do you think the centering devalues the card?
Steve
Like many of you, I check out the PSA 59 listings on Ebay every day.
I'm often very surprised at the centering on some PSA 8s. On some if you measure they are within specs though not very attractive, but some seem to be easily outside of an 8.
Keith
Thanks.
Depends on much the person wants the card. I think it is more a case of how much more the card is worth when it is centered nicely.
Shantz card went off at $1350 to Albero.
AZ
1959 Topps Infield Power PSA 8
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
<< <i>Another Infield Power PSA 8 on ebay right now....
1959 Topps Infield Power PSA 8 >>
I just picked up a decent PSA 7 at a reasonable price. Considering that the SMRP for a PSA 8 is only $45, I'm wondering what a reasonable price would be for this card? I am acutely aware of the recent bids for certain 1959 cards.
1959 Topps Baseball Basic Set
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
My ebay listings
<< <i>
<< <i>Another Infield Power PSA 8 on ebay right now....
1959 Topps Infield Power PSA 8 >>
I just picked up a decent PSA 7 at a reasonable price. Considering that the SMRP for a PSA 8 is only $45, I'm wondering what a reasonable price would be for this card? I am acutely aware of the recent bids for certain 1959 cards. >>
There are at least two "heavy hitters" that don't have the Infield Power card in an 8.Both would go $400 without batting an eye.They haven't shown up as bidders yet.Anything below $400 would be a good buy at this time. I don't know if that is reasonable or not,but that seems to be the market now.
And Don.....Great job and congrats....again.
<< <i>
There are at least two "heavy hitters" that don't have the Infield Power card in an 8.Both would go $400 without batting an eye.They haven't shown up as bidders yet.Anything below $400 would be a good buy at this time. I don't know if that is reasonable or not,but that seems to be the market now.
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I will just sit tight with my cheap little 7. I realize that these prices are the market right now, but I think that this 1959 Topps bubble will burst eventually. I certainly hope not, and I can certainly financially afford to bid in the stratosphere with the others, but I detest making poor investments. Lucent was once a good buy at over $100 a share, too.
Could use a Hanebrink NO TRADE,Lumenti NO OPTION & Spahn born 31 will take a 5 in these 3.
Please PM me if you can help.
Thank You Much,Tony
I have a #425 in PSA8 that I'll be listing on Feebay sometime in the next few weeks.
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
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Ouch. Up for auction on Ebay.
Guess centering wasn't a priority on that particular day. Might be in specs but it sure is ugly.
It's not mine.
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
would you care to tell us what you paid for that raw? or for all of the ones you sub'd..(the 59's) I'm pretty sure I made a "9" in that card a sub or 2 ago. I got 4 of them back this time in 8.
I think I've picked up a decent "eye" on the grading on the 59 and 60's and wouldn't mind going to a show if one was ever close.
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
<< <i>Goose, I paid $36 for the raw Words of Wisdom. >>
Boy nice job Don,I wish I could find a raw Hanebrink and Lumenti variation in those conditions.I have raws on both however the Hanebrink was graded as non holdered miscut and my Lumenti has a minor crease to it.I am almost near the end of the journey finally however the last few cards may take a LOOOOOONNNNNNNG time to find and becoming more of a challange than I thought it would be as with the exception of the above stated cards none of the remaining cards are real low pops but I just cant seem to find the cotton pickin cards.
Tony
I think I sold mine for 200.00 or so.
When you get really close to completing a set, the last few cards always take longer to find.
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
Here is the link to the auction
PSA Order Status for Submission # 600891
LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 04529478 1959 TOPPS 310 LUIS APARICIO N/A 8
2 04529479 1959 TOPPS 372 JIM HEGAN N/A 8
3 04529480 1959 TOPPS 322 HARRY HANEBRINK WITH TRADE STATEMENT 8
4 04529481 1959 TOPPS 330 GUS TRIANDOS N/A Not Holdered, Miscut
5 04529482 1959 TOPPS 76 BOBBY RICHARDSON N/A 8
6 04529483 1959 TOPPS 445 CAL McLISH N/A 8
7 04529484 1959 TOPPS 115 MICKEY VERNON N/A 8
8 04529485 1959 TOPPS 450 ED MATHEWS N/A 7
9 04529486 1959 TOPPS 61 DICK BROWN N/A 8
10 04529487 1959 TOPPS 178 RUBEN AMARO N/A 7
Date Received: 10/13/2006
Date of Grades Posted: 10/18/2006
Date Shipped: 10/18/2006
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
<< <i>A new '59 sub popped today. Happy with the grades on some tough cards.
PSA Order Status for Submission # 600891
LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 04529478 1959 TOPPS 310 LUIS APARICIO N/A 8
2 04529479 1959 TOPPS 372 JIM HEGAN N/A 8
3 04529480 1959 TOPPS 322 HARRY HANEBRINK WITH TRADE STATEMENT 8
4 04529481 1959 TOPPS 330 GUS TRIANDOS N/A Not Holdered, Miscut
5 04529482 1959 TOPPS 76 BOBBY RICHARDSON N/A 8
6 04529483 1959 TOPPS 445 CAL McLISH N/A 8
7 04529484 1959 TOPPS 115 MICKEY VERNON N/A 8
8 04529485 1959 TOPPS 450 ED MATHEWS N/A 7
9 04529486 1959 TOPPS 61 DICK BROWN N/A 8
10 04529487 1959 TOPPS 178 RUBEN AMARO N/A 7
Date Received: 10/13/2006
Date of Grades Posted: 10/18/2006
Date Shipped: 10/18/2006 >>
OH WOW !!!!!!!!! GREAT JOB.Especially the Dick Brown!!!& Mickey Vernon!!in 8s.Now I am down to 2 cards from completion however I still need to upgrade a very few sub 6s.Waiting on a Hanebrink No Trade raw to arrive any day now.Scan looked good however I need to keep my fingers crossed since so many of this variation were miscut and difficult to notice.I hope this one makes the grade when I send it in.
Dealer seems Top Level.
Bosox1976
I am sending you my T square and sheet rock knife. *wink*
How about coming to St. Louis this weekend for the St. Louis Sports Collectors show? There is a lot of vintage there, mostly raw. I am near the stage, but I don't sell cards. Anyone coming, stop by and say "hello".
Al Zouky
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
1959 Topps Yankees PSA
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
Nick
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
1959 Topps baseball PSA 8's and 7's
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Couldn't get tickets to the WS game. So we went to Ozzie Smith's restaurant on Friday night. A lot of dealers there including Andy Madec. Was a zoo when the Cards won. Got Ozzie to sign a coaster from his restaurant. Willie McGee and Whitey Herzog were also there in VIP section. Saturday night we took the train downtown and I showed Greg the sights and we gambled a bit.
After St. Louis, I drove down to Nashville TN to visit my Uncle. Toured the replica Parthenon and the city. Beautiful area, business is booming and the people are very courteous (not like NY and NJ) *laugh*
Then came home on Thursday and reloaded for NJ MAB show this past weekend. Was a whirlwind month. Glad to be back at home.
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
I had 2 Hank Aaron cards that were "miscut" as well......I myself could never see it. They were probably solid PSA8's, possibly OC.
<< <i>FiveinNiner...
I had 2 Hank Aaron cards that were "miscut" as well......I myself could never see it. They were probably solid PSA8's, possibly OC. >>
GO BLUE!!
Thanks 59er
Tony
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
<< <i>fiveniner....you are correct, especially early on, the card would be submitted without any designation and it was graded as such. So, in this pop ti can and does contain both variations. >>
Thank you for your reply.
Tony
Also, I've heard on these boards that gray is less common. Any opinions? My 59s are about equally divided.
OK, you knew it was coming, so here's the promo: I have a Kipp PSA 8 gray back and a Kline PSA 8 white back on ebay, ending Dec. 7 at 6:30 pm, Pacific Coast time.
Hi to all you guys I've dealt with during the past year.
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
without both versions to give it a rest for a while although I am always open to considering making an offer for any card that I may need.
Anyone one is free to PM me if they have anything to offer between 199 and 286 graded 6 or better or real nice raw cards.I do have the variations listed on the registery that I now have.