Not to divert from the fun here of showing your 'stuff', but just wanted to let you know the 'Summer of 84D' set has been SOLD. It will be retired this weekend................
How ironic that on the first post of this tread, I was looking for 5 cards to complete the basic set. 1000 posts and a whole lotta fun later, it will take up new residence with another collector. It's been a very satifying journey!
<< <i>my roots were ripping packs and putting them in cigar boxes- I've just refined it a bit (plus a box of decent cigars costs too much and they don't give away the boxes anymore!) >>
Griffins, I couldn't agree more! For years I had my '62 thru '66 cards in these types of cigar boxes...
Oh yeah, I just wanted to add that that Parrish has got to be one of my all-time favorite shots of a catcher on a card. It's a classic -- as are so many of the cards from this set...
I starting going through my 3200 count box. These were from boxes I opened 10 years ago. I went through the first 800 cards and pulled 75 that should either grade an 9 or 10. That took a long time. I am hoping for about 250-300 cards that should grade 9 or 10.
Thanks to Bill, I've gotten a couple steps closer to completing both the Master and Basic sets. When I complete this bad boy, I won't have to depend on Bill's retirement to claim the #1 spot
My basic set is sitting at 96.97% complete with a GPA of 9.42 and my master set is sitting at 95.79% complete with a GPA of 9.40.
So, I'm nearly there. But, as most of you know, it's going to be tough getting ahold of these last few.
* '72 BASEBALL #15 100% * C. PASCUAL BASIC #3 * T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100% * L. TIANT BASIC #1 * DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100% * MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3 * PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1 * '65 DISNEYLAND #2 * '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6 * '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
Continuing on with the packs.....here's pack #4's best....
Nicely centered Rice, way OC Palmer, the very tough Dravecky in what I hope is a 9 (although probably an 8) and another decently centered common....
....rest of the pack went like this....
John Denny - OC t/b Brod Perkins - OC t/b & l/r Pat Putnam - OC a bit, possibly PSA 8 Mike Young - OC l/r & t/b Ron Cey - OC r/l a bit, looks like a strong 8 Mike Easler - little tilt, looks like a strong 8 though (outside shot at a 9) Spike Owen - OC l/r Joaquin Andujar - OC l/r Dann Bilardello - OC l/r & t/b Butch Davis - OC r/l a bit, looks like an 8 Jim Acker - decent centering, but wax stain
* '72 BASEBALL #15 100% * C. PASCUAL BASIC #3 * T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100% * L. TIANT BASIC #1 * DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100% * MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3 * PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1 * '65 DISNEYLAND #2 * '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6 * '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
Pack #5 offered up more star power, but not enough power to keep them centered...the tough, Manny Trillo (although wax stained), Murray, The Hawk, & a print smudged Sweet Lou.
....there were a coupled decent centered ones in the pack....
Don Hill - looks like a 9 Joe Nolan - looks like a 9 Gorman Thomas - OC a bit r/l (looks like an 8) Warren Brusstar - OC r/l & b/t (tough one, which lives up to its toughness) Jim Sundberg - OC l/r Craig Reynolds - OC l/r & t/b Lou Pinella - OC l/r & t/b John Rabb - OC t/b Andre Thornton DK - OC l/r & b/t Bob McClure - OC r/l & t/b John Lowenstein - OC b/t
* '72 BASEBALL #15 100% * C. PASCUAL BASIC #3 * T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100% * L. TIANT BASIC #1 * DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100% * MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3 * PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1 * '65 DISNEYLAND #2 * '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6 * '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
Next pack had a decent Winfield and a couple of centered commons....nothing out of this world...
...rest of the pack goes like this...
Mickey Hatcher - strong PSA 8 candidate John Stefaro - OC l/r Rick Cerone - a bit OC r/l with a ding at top Tom Dunbar - OC l/r & b/t Dale Murray - OC l/r Gary Gaetti - OC l/r Jose Cruz - OC l/r Bruce Benedict - OC t/b Carmelo Martinez - OC l/r & t'b Mike Miller - OC r/l Doug Decinces - OC l/r
* '72 BASEBALL #15 100% * C. PASCUAL BASIC #3 * T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100% * L. TIANT BASIC #1 * DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100% * MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3 * PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1 * '65 DISNEYLAND #2 * '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6 * '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
Missing a pack somewhere....so, this is the last pack that I've found....and not much aside from the two DKs and some decent centering on a couple of commons...
..rest of the pack goes like this..
Glenn Wilson - OC l/r & t/b John Candelaria - OC l/r & t/b Dusty Baker - slight OC r/l, but possible PSA 8 Gary Lavelle - OC l/r Craig Swan - OC r/l & b/t Mike Squires - OC l/r & t/b Dave Stapleton - OC l/r & t/b Brian Harper - slight OC t/b, but possible PSA 8 Bob Stoddard - OC l/r & t/b Lamarr Hoyt - slight OC t/b, but possible PSA 8 Bill Laskey - OC t/b
* '72 BASEBALL #15 100% * C. PASCUAL BASIC #3 * T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100% * L. TIANT BASIC #1 * DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100% * MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3 * PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1 * '65 DISNEYLAND #2 * '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6 * '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
Take a look at the Mattingly Psa 10 on ebay. Already at $315. Already slightly O/C left to right AND top to bottom. Wow..................
I've got a handful of psa 9's that from a visual standpoint beat this one hands-down. Unless the color and focus on this card is exceptional, looks like a 9 to me all day long.
A) PSA's standards for a PSA 10 for modern cards is way too loose in terms of centering.
Too many people like the label as opposed to the flip. Whether or not the corners on this example are better under 5x loupe than a similar PSA 9, it frankly lacks the eye appeal.
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From the scan the Mattingly 10 looks a little weak. I'd like to see how well that card would present if BOTR were doing the scanning and image prep. I suspect the card is both nicer than it appears, but still a little OC for the 10 price premium.
Regardless how this image could be clarified or enhanced, nothing could make the card any better centered. I'm very surprised to see a Mattingly like this, knowing from experience this card is keenly scrutinized come submission time. Centering is the first thing you notice, and in this case both ways offand obvious from the start. Seeing one of only a few marquee cards of the 80's centered like this is sad imo.
well, that Mattingly probably does fall within PSA's published guidlines for centering. You guys are so used to seeing 50/50 all the way around. Trust me when I tell you, I see 1978 Topps PSA 10's ALL THE TIME that lack true 50/50. And, 50/50 is not PSA's standard for 10's.
WITH THAT SAID, I sure wouldn't bid PSA 10 dollars on it.
I hate to be the only one here who does not know thw answer to this--- but anyway. Arny vee refers to a Master and a Basic set in the 84 D. What is the difference between the two in this set? Thanks for any help, as am trying to put the set together. 86nova
The "basic" set includes a single copy of each card. I don't believe it matters which variation of a particular card you choose to use.
The "master" set includes both types of variations for each card in the set. With the '84 Donruss the Steele/Steel Diamond Kings and the Stenhouse/Darling numbered and non-numbered cards. Here is a link to the master sets composition.
If you are registering your set, register for both. They will usually automatically update as you enter certs and when you reach 75% on each set they will grant you five free submissions for both sets on a combined invoice.
Sagard is right...basically there are incorrectly spelled versions and correctly spelled versions of the Diamond Kings series and the DK checklist (Cards 1-26). At the bottom right hand corner of the back there's the spelling of either STEELE or STEEL. Steel was the version from the packs and the Steele version comes from the factory sets. The same thing happened with the Ron Darling and Mike Stenhouse cards. The 'pack' version of the cards had them with no numbers on the back. But, the factory set versions had them with the corrected version with the numbers on the back.
I would register in both because that way you can always take advantage of the specials as Sagard mentioned.
Good luck with the set! Are you doing the set in all 9s or 10s?
* '72 BASEBALL #15 100% * C. PASCUAL BASIC #3 * T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100% * L. TIANT BASIC #1 * DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100% * MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3 * PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1 * '65 DISNEYLAND #2 * '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6 * '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
Thanks to Sagard, and ArnyVee for your prompt responses to my question re: Basic vs. Master. I put two sets together back in '84. If there was info. available on the Diamond King variations, I was unaware. I do remember the Darling without the number on the back. All of my Diamond Kings are printed STEEL, so therefore all from wax. This is all I ever bought anyway, so this is obviously the case. Still have one unopened wax box on the shelf, but am reluctant to open. Really never paid much attention to centering back then, but certainly many are "off." Again, the help is much appreciated. 86nova in Ohio.
Having recently become interested in the 84 Don., I saw that a PSA10 Ripken sold on the Bay for $53.00, which is one half of what it is listed for in the SMR. Is this commonplace for the set, that is selling for roughly one half of that particular publication? Or, perchance, everyone who wants one, has one. Thanks--- 86nova
With ebay you never know......... I've seen Ripken 10's in the past year sell for $220+, so it depends on who is bidding and how bad they want it. Likewise with the Seaver - $38 for a card I've sold before at $65 and $75 a pop. Again, depends on a lot of factors. All said, I'll bet the seller wishes he'd kept the Ripken until he's in the Hall next year. I'm sure the seller learned his lesson and won't make that mistake again
Bill, I was very happy to get the Seaver 10 for $38. That card hasn't seen less than $60 or so lately. The Ripken for $53? Wow...that's going to hurt when he's inducted. The card would/should go for triple that amount at that point. Seller is definitely kickin' himself on that one.
All in all, I picked up both the STEEL Murray 9 and the Seaver 10 last night which brought me one step closer to completion on the 'master' set and an upgrade with the Seaver. I'm happy
* '72 BASEBALL #15 100% * C. PASCUAL BASIC #3 * T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100% * L. TIANT BASIC #1 * DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100% * MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3 * PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1 * '65 DISNEYLAND #2 * '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6 * '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
Arny, I am happy for you. If someone is gonna get a Seaver 10 for $38, I'm glad it was you. In fact, your luck is so good right now that I'll bet the seller will even ship it for free!
Al, The seller is a nice guy but sort of a dumba$$ too. I talked him into giving you free shipping like Arny. Just goes to show that nice dumba$$ guys do indeed finish last.............
84 Donruss Aficionados I was able to purchase an 84 factory set today from a fellow collector. My question to you is should I leave it alone( cards still wrapped ), or dismantle and put in a notebook? Your thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. Thanks-- 86nova
If you leave it alone, you'll never reap the visual beauty and joy of these cards. On the other hand, if you open them, be prepared to see a host of O/C cards.
If the choice were mine - I'D BUST IT!!!
By the way, there's a 25% complete psa registry starter set, all psa 9 and including Mattingly, Carter, etc. on ebay right now for less than $5 per card. The auction ends tomorrow. I'd bet if you email the guy, he'd give you free shipping too..............
Bug ... I'm actually somewhat interested in your auction ... I'm building a high grade raw set ... but planned on eventually slabbing all of them. Only thing --- the Mattingly in your auction is the worst 9 I've ever seen of any card. It has a full tilt --- how'd that get at 9?
-t
EDIT: Looking at it again, it's not so much a tilt as some really weird print issue ... that bottom right white border is WAY smaller than the top edge.
- Building these sets: ------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+ ------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
86nova, you have to understand where we are coming from....for most of us on these boards, we are trying to finish the set in all PSA 9s or 10s. So, we would bust that factory set faster than you can say 'off center'. But, that's just us.
If you're looking at it as an investment, it might be better to hang onto it as is. But remember, what if you have that PSA 10 Mattingly sitting there just beggin' to get out!
If/when you decide on bustin' that thing open...please post your findings.
* '72 BASEBALL #15 100% * C. PASCUAL BASIC #3 * T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100% * L. TIANT BASIC #1 * DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100% * MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3 * PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1 * '65 DISNEYLAND #2 * '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6 * '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
BUST THE SET, BUST THE SET.....guess you can tell what my opinion is......I also have to thank Bill for getting that seller to give me free shipping.....he's the best!!! Arny...great going on the Seaver and Murray....And for all of those thinking of starting a set, JUMP IN!!! Great opportunity to put a great looking set together that has some challenges......As the "Bug" has noted O/C in sets and packs will drive you crazy.....also submissions can be frustrating also...just got back one that I thought was going to be great and had only 33 cards graded 9 or 10 out of 100.....centering was the cause for downgrading to 8 on many of the cards......Wish I had the Bugs eye view on the cards.....
here's some more....check out al_n_sandy14 on ebay if interested in any of the 9's I"ve pictured......EYE CANDY FOR ANYONE THINKING OF STARTING A SET......
Following all of your opinions, I decided to open the Factory Set. I have only opened the first two bricks. All of the cards are nice and would probably be 8's or 9's. I would not be silly enough to think that any would be 10's. There are, however, a couple of exceptions. The Diamond King Dravecky is certainly off-cut on the right border. It is very narrow at the top and then widens as it goes down the card. The Darling card is approximately 60/40 left to right. And the Joe Carter is about 60/40 right to left. Ryan, Rose, Strawberry, Van Slyke, Ripken, and Lynn are all good. I was concerned that there would be rounding of the corners in the Factory Set. I remember reading at one time that this was a problem due to it being wrapped in cellophane. However, under magnification, this does not seem to be a problem so far as the corners all appear to be sharp. Perhaps one of you can answer this for me: As I was looking for the SMR, I noticed that from 1980 Topps back, there is a column for singles in 8, 9, 10. Then there is no listing for those cards until the 1984 Donruss. It does not start again until the 1990 Leaf Set, and none thereafter. Is this due to the fact that there are more submissions in these two sets or is there some other reason? Will keep you posted as I open more of the bricks. 86nova
Nova....don't think that you can't get 10's out of that factory set.....I've opened several over the last year and have submitted and received 10's......keep sharp eye on the DK's they are often tilted and o/c...by far the hardest cards for me so far....
Nova, There are listings for 8,9,10 in the online SMR. Not sure how it's listed in the magazine. 84D SMR online does list a 'singles' (common) column, which I don't think is listed with many other sets in the 1980's. Reason - 84D is popular.
As far as factory sets and rounded corners you'll be surprised what will 'pass' and what won't. If you look under powerful enough magnification, you'll see some roundedness, usually in the top-left corner. (Opening and closing the box lid repeatedly will rub on that corner of the cello blocks.) It's subtile and graders often aren't consistant in assigning grades to them. That's not a knock on them as much as interpreting where to draw the line - this includes me as well.
Finding dk 10's in factory sets? Sure you'll find them and count your blessings when you do. Hope this helps.............
Al - the partial set didn't sell, but had one offline offer for a slightly under $4 per card. At that price I'll keep them until somebody appreciates how much raw you gotta bust to get 164 cards in psa 9............until then - oh well.
I'm with you Bill.....having experienced first hand what it takes to get the 9's and 10's makes you appreciate a value like you had....I tried to help out with some good words....at least now if someone new comes aboard on the registry you can offer again. Take care.
I opened brick #3 today which contained cards #111 (Carlton) through #165 (Camp). It was very disappointing since seven of the cards looked as if someone had run a fingernail across the front of the card horizontally leaving a crease in the card. Many of the cards were miscut on the right side. The width of the right border increased as it went from the top to the bottom of the card. Fortunately, the Seaver, Hickey, and Boggs cards were not affected, and they looked good.
I think Nova is providing more proof that this set may be modern but finding the right cards for grading can sometimes be an adventure....Keep going NOVA, hopefully you will have better results from some of the other bricks.......
I just sent in about a half dozen that have half a chance to become 10s. They would be upgrades for me, so I'm giving it a shot. We'll see how they come back!
* '72 BASEBALL #15 100% * C. PASCUAL BASIC #3 * T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100% * L. TIANT BASIC #1 * DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100% * MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3 * PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1 * '65 DISNEYLAND #2 * '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6 * '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
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------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+
------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
Not to divert from the fun here of showing your 'stuff', but just wanted to let you know the 'Summer of 84D' set has been SOLD. It will be retired this weekend................
How ironic that on the first post of this tread, I was looking for 5 cards to complete the basic set. 1000 posts and a whole lotta fun later, it will take up new residence with another collector. It's been a very satifying journey!
al.
<< <i>my roots were ripping packs and putting them in cigar boxes- I've just refined it a bit (plus a box of decent cigars costs too much and they don't give away the boxes anymore!) >>
Griffins, I couldn't agree more! For years I had my '62 thru '66 cards in these types of cigar boxes...
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Oh yeah, I just wanted to add that that Parrish has got to be one of my all-time favorite shots of a catcher on a card. It's a classic -- as are so many of the cards from this set...
Here's my list....
129 - B.Blyleven
209 - B.Ramos
224 - C.Bando
228 - J.Lowenstein
230 - D.Decinces
238 - K.Hernandez
435 - E.Nunez
437 - E.Whitt
442 - W.Brusstar
456 - E.Cabell
471 - M.Wilcox
472 - T.Martinez
480 - J.Youngblood
481 - J.Slaton
482 - M.Fitzgerald
535 - B.Horner
544 - D.Darwin
554 - R.Staub
558 - L.Whitehouse
575 - M.Trillo
582 - D.Spillner
590 - B.Anderson
597 - L.Sanchez
605 - A.Griffin
.....any help would be appreciated.
* C. PASCUAL BASIC #3
* T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100%
* L. TIANT BASIC #1
* DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100%
* MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3
* PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1
* '65 DISNEYLAND #2
* '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6
* '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
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I see you guys are bidding on some of my ebay listings. Thanks. If any of you win, the shipping is on me....................
Bill
My basic set is sitting at 96.97% complete with a GPA of 9.42 and my master set is sitting at 95.79% complete with a GPA of 9.40.
So, I'm nearly there. But, as most of you know, it's going to be tough getting ahold of these last few.
* C. PASCUAL BASIC #3
* T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100%
* L. TIANT BASIC #1
* DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100%
* MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3
* PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1
* '65 DISNEYLAND #2
* '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6
* '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
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Nicely centered Rice, way OC Palmer, the very tough Dravecky in what I hope is a 9 (although probably an 8) and another decently centered common....
....rest of the pack went like this....
John Denny - OC t/b
Brod Perkins - OC t/b & l/r
Pat Putnam - OC a bit, possibly PSA 8
Mike Young - OC l/r & t/b
Ron Cey - OC r/l a bit, looks like a strong 8
Mike Easler - little tilt, looks like a strong 8 though (outside shot at a 9)
Spike Owen - OC l/r
Joaquin Andujar - OC l/r
Dann Bilardello - OC l/r & t/b
Butch Davis - OC r/l a bit, looks like an 8
Jim Acker - decent centering, but wax stain
* C. PASCUAL BASIC #3
* T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100%
* L. TIANT BASIC #1
* DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100%
* MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3
* PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1
* '65 DISNEYLAND #2
* '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6
* '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
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....there were a coupled decent centered ones in the pack....
Don Hill - looks like a 9
Joe Nolan - looks like a 9
Gorman Thomas - OC a bit r/l (looks like an 8)
Warren Brusstar - OC r/l & b/t (tough one, which lives up to its toughness)
Jim Sundberg - OC l/r
Craig Reynolds - OC l/r & t/b
Lou Pinella - OC l/r & t/b
John Rabb - OC t/b
Andre Thornton DK - OC l/r & b/t
Bob McClure - OC r/l & t/b
John Lowenstein - OC b/t
* C. PASCUAL BASIC #3
* T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100%
* L. TIANT BASIC #1
* DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100%
* MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3
* PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1
* '65 DISNEYLAND #2
* '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6
* '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
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...the rest of the pack goes like this....
Curt Wilkerson - OC l/r
Tom Brookens - OC l/r
Willie Upshaw - OC l/r (outside shot at an 8)
Kent Tekulve - OC t/b
Jeff Reardon - OC t/b
Dave Bergman - OC t/b (outside shot at an 8)
Matt Young - OC l/r
Lonnie Smith - OC l/r
Larry Gura - OC l/r & b/t
Rich Gedman - OC l/r
Ted Power - OC r/l & wax stain
* C. PASCUAL BASIC #3
* T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100%
* L. TIANT BASIC #1
* DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100%
* MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3
* PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1
* '65 DISNEYLAND #2
* '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6
* '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
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Jeff Lahti
Rich Gale
Carmelo Martinez
$12 each or $33 delivered for the 3.
Brian
...rest of the pack goes like this...
Mickey Hatcher - strong PSA 8 candidate
John Stefaro - OC l/r
Rick Cerone - a bit OC r/l with a ding at top
Tom Dunbar - OC l/r & b/t
Dale Murray - OC l/r
Gary Gaetti - OC l/r
Jose Cruz - OC l/r
Bruce Benedict - OC t/b
Carmelo Martinez - OC l/r & t'b
Mike Miller - OC r/l
Doug Decinces - OC l/r
* C. PASCUAL BASIC #3
* T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100%
* L. TIANT BASIC #1
* DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100%
* MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3
* PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1
* '65 DISNEYLAND #2
* '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6
* '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
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..rest of the pack goes like this..
Glenn Wilson - OC l/r & t/b
John Candelaria - OC l/r & t/b
Dusty Baker - slight OC r/l, but possible PSA 8
Gary Lavelle - OC l/r
Craig Swan - OC r/l & b/t
Mike Squires - OC l/r & t/b
Dave Stapleton - OC l/r & t/b
Brian Harper - slight OC t/b, but possible PSA 8
Bob Stoddard - OC l/r & t/b
Lamarr Hoyt - slight OC t/b, but possible PSA 8
Bill Laskey - OC t/b
* C. PASCUAL BASIC #3
* T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100%
* L. TIANT BASIC #1
* DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100%
* MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3
* PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1
* '65 DISNEYLAND #2
* '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6
* '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
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Take a look at the Mattingly Psa 10 on ebay. Already at $315. Already slightly O/C left to right AND top to bottom. Wow..................
I've got a handful of psa 9's that from a visual standpoint beat this one hands-down. Unless the color and focus on this card is exceptional, looks like a 9 to me all day long.
Thoughts?
Bill
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Thoughts?
Bill >>
Here's my thoughts:
A) PSA's standards for a PSA 10 for modern cards is way too loose in terms of centering.
i agree with mike about lacking eye appeal
WITH THAT SAID, I sure wouldn't bid PSA 10 dollars on it.
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
By the way, where are all of the scans from the other guys that did the '84 Donruss pack break? Let's see 'em!
* C. PASCUAL BASIC #3
* T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100%
* L. TIANT BASIC #1
* DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100%
* MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3
* PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1
* '65 DISNEYLAND #2
* '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6
* '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
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The "master" set includes both types of variations for each card in the set. With the '84 Donruss the Steele/Steel Diamond Kings and the Stenhouse/Darling numbered and non-numbered cards. Here is a link to the master sets composition.
If you are registering your set, register for both. They will usually automatically update as you enter certs and when you reach 75% on each set they will grant you five free submissions for both sets on a combined invoice.
I would register in both because that way you can always take advantage of the specials as Sagard mentioned.
Good luck with the set! Are you doing the set in all 9s or 10s?
* C. PASCUAL BASIC #3
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* L. TIANT BASIC #1
* DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100%
* MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3
* PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1
* '65 DISNEYLAND #2
* '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6
* '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
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All in all, I picked up both the STEEL Murray 9 and the Seaver 10 last night which brought me one step closer to completion on the 'master' set and an upgrade with the Seaver. I'm happy
* C. PASCUAL BASIC #3
* T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100%
* L. TIANT BASIC #1
* DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100%
* MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3
* PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1
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I am happy for you. If someone is gonna get a Seaver 10 for $38, I'm glad it was you. In fact, your luck is so good right now that I'll bet the seller will even ship it for free!
I'd like to send a thank you note to that 'seller'...whomever that might be.
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The seller is a nice guy but sort of a dumba$$ too. I talked him into giving you free shipping like Arny. Just goes to show that nice dumba$$ guys do indeed finish last.............
I was able to purchase an 84 factory set today from a fellow collector. My question to you is should I leave it alone( cards still wrapped ), or dismantle and put in a notebook? Your thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. Thanks-- 86nova
If the choice were mine - I'D BUST IT!!!
By the way, there's a 25% complete psa registry starter set, all psa 9 and including Mattingly, Carter, etc. on ebay right now for less than $5 per card. The auction ends tomorrow. I'd bet if you email the guy, he'd give you free shipping too..............
-t
EDIT:
Looking at it again, it's not so much a tilt as some really weird print issue ... that bottom right white border is WAY smaller than the top edge.
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If you're looking at it as an investment, it might be better to hang onto it as is. But remember, what if you have that PSA 10 Mattingly sitting there just beggin' to get out!
If/when you decide on bustin' that thing open...please post your findings.
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I was concerned that there would be rounding of the corners in the Factory Set. I remember reading at one time that this was a problem due to it being wrapped in cellophane. However, under magnification, this does not seem to be a problem so far as the corners all appear to be sharp.
Perhaps one of you can answer this for me: As I was looking for the SMR, I noticed that from 1980 Topps back, there is a column for singles in 8, 9, 10. Then there is no listing for those cards until the 1984 Donruss. It does not start again until the 1990 Leaf Set, and none thereafter. Is this due to the fact that there are more submissions in these two sets or is there some other reason?
Will keep you posted as I open more of the bricks. 86nova
There are listings for 8,9,10 in the online SMR. Not sure how it's listed in the magazine. 84D SMR online does list a 'singles' (common) column, which I don't think is listed with many other sets in the 1980's. Reason - 84D is popular.
As far as factory sets and rounded corners you'll be surprised what will 'pass' and what won't. If you look under powerful enough magnification, you'll see some roundedness, usually in the top-left corner. (Opening and closing the box lid repeatedly will rub on that corner of the cello blocks.) It's subtile and graders often aren't consistant in assigning grades to them. That's not a knock on them as much as interpreting where to draw the line - this includes me as well.
Finding dk 10's in factory sets? Sure you'll find them and count your blessings when you do. Hope this helps.............
Al - the partial set didn't sell, but had one offline offer for a slightly under $4 per card. At that price I'll keep them until somebody appreciates how much raw you gotta bust to get 164 cards in psa 9............until then - oh well.
Al.
--86nova
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