Welcome to the thread. There are only a few of us collecting vintage golf cards at this time but you will get all sorts of friendly advice here. I've collected all three major sports and these cards are unlike most of the other sports issues for several reasons. Availability is probably the main one, most of the vintage golf cards were produced in England, with a few in Germany and other places. You won't find all that many for sale on Ebay either. Another is expense. A lot of these cards can be purchased, when available for very reasonable prices. Try purchasing a vintage tobacco baseball card in PSA 7 or PSA 8 for less than $ 100, sometimes less than $ 20. These sets are also quite small ranging from 12 to 50 cards for the most part. I've put most of my sets together by buying complete sets from English collectors or dealers and from trading with other members you see frequent this thread.
Check out the Registries to see what you like. 1900 Copes, 1923 Copes, 1924 Wills, 1927 Churchman, 1928 Millhoff, 1930 Wills, 1931 Churchman, and 1939 Players and sets that come to mind that you might be interested in. If you like real photos try the 1927 Churchman small set. The set has 50 black and white photos of the best golfers of the day. This set is also the most available and except for the stars in PSA 8, not all that expensive. If you like caricatures, try the 1931 Churchman small set. It's one of my favorites and the cards are in color. It's a tougher set in high grade but also one of the more available sets.
Check out what you like and Dave, myself, Brian, Jason, and a few others would be glad to give you specific advice on availability, price, etc. I'm sure we all have some extras you can get too when you decide on where to start.
Good luck. Peter
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Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
Peter and Brian have said it well, there is a lot of good choices out there when it comes to golf cards and we all get along pretty well!
Check out a few of the registry sets, Peter and I have added photos as well as Jason to ours, (sorry Brian I haven't checked yours) I want to have photos out there so everyone can see these great cards.
I have sold a lot of the 31 churchmans, but would have the balance left. I will know specifically what I would still have left over by tomorrow, so I will send you a PM with details.
Dave
Dave Johnson- Big Red Country-Nebraska Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Congratulations on your progress, especially with the 1928 Millhoff, 1927 Churchman small, and 1931 Churchman small sets. Unless you get real lucky, upgrading a few cards at a time is pretty much the only thing you can do. It's tough and you end up with a number of extras but it's also loads of fun. I will get back with you this weekend.
Peter
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Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
Here are a couple of scans of the cards that just came back. The Tait PSA 2 is puzzling. Clean back and probably the best looking card of the bunch as I think they were quite generous with some of the grades.
Nice cards. The Tait is puzzling, especially considering you managed some PSA 7s. I wish my Vardon had gone in with your group, maybe I would have managed a PSA 8 out of it instead of only an 8.
Thanks for the great scans. What were your settings on the scans? They sure are nice and clear.
Peter
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Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
I am a little surprised at some of the 7's and they must have made up for it with that 2. The Morris has a crease and got a 4. I'll submit the Tait card again just to see what happens.
On this new scanner I scan everything as a document rather than an image and save it as a either a .tif or .jpg and just scale it down a bit in photoshop. When I scanned it as an image it was grainy and I thought something was wrong with the scanner. Not really sure why that works but I'm happy with it now.
The scan of Vardon looks better than the actual card.
I have these extra 1931 Churchman Prominent Golfers available if anyone is interested. Drop me a PM.
1 PERCY ALLISS 5 3 AUBREY BOOMER 6 4 T.A. BOURN 6 5 JAMES BRAID 6 6 W. CAMPBELL 6 7 MISS GLENNA COLLETT 7 9 T.H. COTTON 6 12 GEORGE VON ELM 5 6 13 J. FARRELL 5 14 MISS DIANA FISHWICK 5 6 15 MISS MOLLY GOURLAY 6 7 16 WALTER HAGEN 5 6 7 17 REX W. HARTLEY 4 5 18 A.G. HAVERS 7 19 ALEX HERD 5 20 MAJOR C.O. HEZLET 6 6 21 "HOLDERNESS, BART" 5 22 L. HOLLAND 5 6 23 HARRISON R.JOHNSTON 6 7 24 H.C. JOLLY 6 25 BOBBY JONES 7 26 J. JURADO 3 6 27 J. KIRKWOOD 5 28 ROLAND MACKENZIE 5 6 29 ABE MITCHELL 6 30 DONALD K. MOE 5 6 32 T.P. PERKINS 6 33 EDWARD RAY 5 34 FRED ROBSON 5 36 HORTON SMITH 6 37 J. NELSON SMITH 6 38 J.A. STOUT 6 40 C.J.H. TOLLEY 5 42 HARRY VARDON 7 45 MISS JOYCE WETHERED 4 46 R.H. WETHERED 4 6 50 MISS ENID WILSON 4
One of the good thing about collecting vintage golf is that even the largest sets fit nicely into one of the Pennzoni display cases. Try that with 1975 baseball.
Mike, thanks again for the trade. The cards arrived today. Yours is going out on Monday and I still have to figure out what else I can throw in to make it work!
Dave
Dave Johnson- Big Red Country-Nebraska Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
For something a little fun to start off the new of of 2006. I signed up for a CBSsportsline fantasy golf league. There are 8 spots in the league, I of course will have filled one of them.
I was thinking if I could get 7 other folks to join here from the golf board, it may be fun.
I have never done a golf league before, but the rules are rotisserie style points based on a bunch of categories like scoring, money earned, driving distance and accuaracy etc.
If interested drop me a PM with your address and I will send you a league invite!
and best of all.....it's FREE!!!
Dave
Dave Johnson- Big Red Country-Nebraska Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Ok, 2 things....first, the 1931 Churchman Prominent Golfers that ya had bsocha, I may be interested in some. I have never had any golf cards, period, but it is definately something I want to venture into, and I think that set would be a great starting place. Second, to Golfcollector, I would definately be interested in joining up for the golf league.
Being a newbie here ( the little lady got me a 2 yr membership) I have no idea how to send a PM....any help would be greatly appreciated, and happy holidays to all !
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." -- Yogi Berra
For some reason sporstline will not accept your email address to send an invitatino to you. I may try another rout if you can send me a different email address.
Also, VINTAGEGOLFCARDS on ebay has some great rare offerings up for sale.....lot of low pop churchmans, millhoffs, and even some very elusive marsumas.....take a look. Just don't out bid me!!!
Merry Christmas everybody!
Dave
Dave Johnson- Big Red Country-Nebraska Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Dave, try cabo_1@yahoo.com and see if that one works.
I saw the Millhoffs and Churchmans earlier today. I have a feeling we might bump into each other on at least a few of those auctions. A couple of the starting bids seemed slightly steep (1927 #29 Leach PSA 9 for $499) but overall not too bad.
Here are the latest 2 subs that showed up today. Whole lot of 7's. The Millhoffs are the resubmits from the 19 that they said were trimmed. There were 2 or 3 that were definately trimmed but they kicked the rest of them out as trimmed and I've sent the non-trimmed ones back in a few at a time. I guess Guedalla really was trimmed.
1 12452147 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 42 J.H. TAYLOR FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 2 12452148 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 38 A.F. SIMPSON FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 6 3 12452149 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 34 EDWARD RAY FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 8 4 12452150 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 33 TOM MORRIS FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 5 12452151 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 31 ABE MITCHELL FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 6 12452152 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 23 LEN HOLLAND FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 7 12452153 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 12 GEORGE GADD FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 8 12452154 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 11 GEORGE GADD FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 8 9 12452155 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 10 GEORGE DUNCAN FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 10 12452156 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 14 WALTER HAGEN FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 6 11 12452157 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 12 MRS. GUEDALLA FAMOUS GOLFERS Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming 12 12452158 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 4 ROGER WETHERED FAMOUS GOLFERS 5 13 12452159 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 8 ABE MITCHELL FAMOUS GOLFERS 9
Date Received: 12/19/2005 Date of Grades Posted: 12/27/2005 Date Shipped: No Date Specified
1 90576669 1928 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 7 ARNAUD MASSY FAMOUS GOLFERS SER.OF 12 6 2 90576670 1928 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 12 ERNEST WHITCOMBE FAMOUS GOLFERS SER.OF 12 7 3 90576671 1928 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 9 ALEXANDER SIMPSON FAMOUS GOLFERS SER.OF 12 6 4 90576672 1928 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 5 A.G. HAVERS FAMOUS GOLFERS SER.OF 12 6 5 90576673 1928 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 3 ARCHIE COMPSTON FAMOUS GOLFERS SER.OF 12 7 6 90576674 1928 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 8 TOM MORRIS FAMOUS GOLFERS SER.OF 12 5 7 90576675 1928 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 2 AUBREY BOOMER FAMOUS GOLFERS SER.OF 12 8 8 90576676 1928 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 10 JESS SWEETSER FAMOUS GOLFERS SER.OF 12 6 9 90576677 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 4 AUBREY BASIL BOOMER FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 10 90576678 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 7 JAMES BRAID FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 11 90576679 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 9 GEORGE DUNCAN FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 12 90576680 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 13 WALTER HAGEN FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 5 13 90576681 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 16 ARTHUR HAVERS FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 14 90576682 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 18 ALEXANDER HERD FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 15 90576683 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 20 ALEXANDER HERD FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 16 90576684 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 22 E.W.E. HOLDERNESS FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 17 90576685 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 24 WILLIAM HUNTER FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 18 90576686 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 32 ABE MITCHELL FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 19 90576687 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 35 EDWARD RAY FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 20 90576688 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 37 BEN SAYERS FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 21 90576689 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 39 JESS SWEETSER FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 22 90576690 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 41 J.H. TAYLOR FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 6 23 90576691 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 43 C.J.H. TOLLEY FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 24 90576692 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 14 GEORGE DUNCAN FAMOUS GOLFERS 8 25 90576693 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 15 DOROTHY PEARSON FAMOUS GOLFERS 5
Date Received: 12/19/2005 Date of Grades Posted: 12/27/2005 Date Shipped: No Date Specified
I also have a 1948 Kelloggs Pep Sam Snead RC graded a PSA 3 and a 1937 Kelloggs Pep stamps complete panel with Walter Hagen and Leo Durocher that is a PSA 5 (highest graded)
If you have an interest let me know before I throw them out to the masses!
Happy New Year!
Dave
Dave Johnson- Big Red Country-Nebraska Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Firstly 'Hi' to the members of this board especially those with an interest in golf cards. I collect all cards of all shapes and sizes but i do have a preference for golf subjects.
Here is a picture of a very rare 'Bobby Jones' card I thought you might like to see.
Dave, I have sent you an email about your spare cards.
If anyone has any questions about some of the more obscure 'English' cards feel free to ask me.
Horty321, Hello. That is a nice Pictue House Jones card. Thanks for posting it. You don't happen to have an extra one for sale or trade, do you? Thanks, Jason
Sorry my name is 'Martin'. I didnt add that on my profile!
Jason - I wish i had more! This is the only one I have ever seen.
Interestingly PSA have graded one card under the year '1934' however that does not tie up with the days and dates on the back of the card! I think the card is '1932' but there may be other issues in other years.
Do any of you own that graded card? I would be interested to know the dates on the back.
Brian - I have some 1927 & 1931 Churchmans waiting to be graded, once I have got them done and I know what I need I will drop you a line.
Welcome to the boards and thanks for sharing the Bobby Jones card. It's good to hear graded cards are beginning to catch on overseas. Maybe that will bring out more product for us collectors over here.
Regards, Peter
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Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
That Bobby Jones is a great card. A friend of mine here in Lincoln has one but he is basically married to it and no amount of tempting trades is ever getting it out of his hands. His is a different card number. I think yours looks a bit nicer
In other news, I purchased the #1 1923 Copes Golf Strokes set to combine with my own and take the overall GPA to around 7.63. Our sets were just a fraction apart in GPA and when Jack offered me the chance to purchase his set, there was really no decision to be made on my part.
It was a tough time of the year to purchase such a great set, but as most of you know this set is extremely rare and it was an opportunity I could not pass up. I will get the registry updated today and hopefully add scans as well.
Now if I could only find a nice Marsuma set........
Dave
Dave Johnson- Big Red Country-Nebraska Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Some pretty strong prices on these final ebay sales. Nice to see some board members pick up some great Low POP cards. Man the Golf Market is gaining serious MOMENTUM
$127.51 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers Alexander Herd PSA 8! $79.99 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers Aubrey Boomer PSA 8! $63.00 1928 Millhoff Golf Dr. W. Tweddell PSA 7! $66.01 1914 Marsuma Famous Golfers James Braid PSA 6! $127.51 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers J.H. Taylor PSA 8! $243.51 1928 Millhoff Golf T.H. Cotton PSA 8! $43.00 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers John Ball PSA 6! $51.00 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers George Duncan PSA 7! $159.50 1928 Millhoff Golf C. A. Whitcombe PSA 8 (1/2)! $46.01 1914 Marsuma Famous Golfers J. H. Taylor PSA 5! $202.49 1914 Marsuma Famous Golfers H.H. Hilton PSA 7 (1/2)! $10.50 1931 Churchman (Small) Golfers James Braid SGC 60! $59.99 1914 Marsuma Famous Golfers James Braid PSA 6! $222.50 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers Bobby Jones PSA 6! $67.00 1928 Millhoff Golf C.J.H. Tolley PSA 7! $280.01 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers Harry Vardon PSA 8 (1/4)! $84.00 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers Roger H. Wethered PSA 8! $299.99 1928 Millhoff Golf Mrs. Guedalla PSA 9 (1/1)! $13.25 1931 Churchman (Small) Golfers C. A. Whitcombe SGC 60! $179.99 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers Harry Vardon PSA 8 (1/4)!
Wowie!
Dave Johnson- Big Red Country-Nebraska Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
You are so right. Vintage golf cards are gaining recognition. There was definitely some strong action on these cards, especially considering most of them were "commons".
Did you happen to pick up any?
I'm anxiously awaiting the upgrade of your 1923 Copes set. With your recent purchases, you should be closing in on the best graded vintage golf card collection. Nice job.
Peter
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Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
No I did not win any. I only bid on 2 of them - 1 millhoff and 1 churchman. If I would not have just bought that Copes set, I would have likely been more aggressive on a few of them.
Brian, saw you picked up a couple though. Nice job!
The 1923 Copes set is now updated. I don't have scans on it yet but here ya go!
Did you guys notice that a PSA 9 Hagen and PSA 9 Jones just showed up on the population report for the 1928 Millhoffs? Any idea who the lucky person is?
Makes sense. Since that same person also sold a card that was 1 of 1 and now that card has a population of 2. That must have been a killer raw set that Jack picked up.
I was wondering why the PSA 8 Hagen was being sold. With the 4 PSA 8s accounted for, I was puzzled with the sale of the Hagen. I let my subscription lapse until my move is completed so I don't have access to the population or SMR reports to see what's going on with new grades. Did you notice if the PSA 9 1/1 Millhoff that sold has a population of 2 now?
Do you think better cards are being discovered or maybe the standards have been lowered a little???
It seems like a lot of my previous 1927 PSA 8s from a year or so ago were sharper than some of the PSA 8s I've received lately. Maybe it's just my imagination or maybe my earlier finds were highend 8s and my later submissions have been low end 8s???
Peter
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Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
The 1/1 Millhoff is now 2. It updated this morning. I won the auction yesterday but I sort of figured Jack had another card in PSA 9 already graded but not on the report though he did advertise the card as 1 of 1. It just didnt make sense that he'd be selling a PSA 9 1/1 out of the blue without another 9 already in hand.
I still havent come close to figuring out the "little card" grading. I think a lot has to do with who you get for a grader. Some cards that look great come back as 5's and 6's and others that might get an 8 just dont look as sharp as 8's that I've bought from you guys from being graded a while back. I have had some good luck with resubmits as PSA 5's have become 7's and a couple of 6's have become 8's. Its a crapshoot.
When a high grade card is listed with a population that has not been updated yet, but the seller knows there's been another graded, should they report the card with the old or new population?
Too me, it seems a little dishonest. Maybe technically correct, but still not on the up and up as far as I'm concerned.
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I think its dishonest if you have the replacement card in your hand (or on its way) and you know the population report isnt updated until monday morning and your auctions are ending Sunday. Here are the 3 Millhoffs and how he worded them along with their new pop's:
1928 Millhoff Golf C. A. Whitcombe PSA 8 (1/2) (Pop now 3) 1928 Millhoff Golf Mrs. Guedalla PSA 9 (1/1) (Pop now 2) 1928 Millhoff Golf Walter Hagen PSA 8! (1/4) (Pop now 6!)
I sort of knew Jack had another Guedalla when I bid on the 1/1 but if I was someone else who doesnt follow the set collecting or these things and I bought a PSA 9 1/1 and 24 hours later the population had doubled and I found out that this seller had the 2nd card yet advertised it as 1/1 then I might have an issue with it.
I personaly would not sell a low pop card that way. I have on occasion put in my listing that a card is a 1 of 5 pop as of such and such day, for the very fact that sometimes the pop report changes in a week where I list a card.
I once had a buyer come unglued at me for selling a Pop 1 of 3 card that ended up a pop 1 of 5 by the end of my auction. Since I did not own either of the new 2 cards, how was I supposed to know.....hence the disclaimer I now put in some of my auctions.
Dave Johnson- Big Red Country-Nebraska Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
We've both sold a number of cards and at times populations increase while we are selling. That is understandable and we have no control over that. I've had the same happen to me. My concern is when someone sells a card that they just had graded themselves and knows the population has changed but still reports the old population.
Peter
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Yes I would agree it is not something I would do....I would be particuarly not happy if I would be bidding on a card that the seller had knowledge that the population had changed and was not being forthcoming with that information.
Dave Johnson- Big Red Country-Nebraska Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
<< <i>Do you think better cards are being discovered or maybe the standards have been lowered a little??? >>
I think it is a bit of both. I noticed in the Copes set that I purchased that many of MY cards that were the same or even lesser grade appeared to be stronger than the same numbered card of the set I bought. Grading is pretty consistent overall, but there are always cases for each of us where we feel one card got graded too harshly or that we got lucky on one once and awhile.
The other part to remember is that the majority of the cards we collect were all produced overseas. If you look at the purchases yourself, Mike, me and others have made in the past year, it is obvious that a lot of high grade material is still out there. I think this coupled with the higher prices we are starting to see will start brining more of it out of the woodwork and into PSA holders. The word on PSA is getting out over in England. Even some of the dealers I have bought for years that are located overseas are now grading some Jones and Hagen cards in particular- - - - - as they know they can receive premium prices on those cards.
Just my 2 cents......
Dave
Dave Johnson- Big Red Country-Nebraska Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Thanks for your replies. I've always found your opinions to be honest and I value that. I'm also happy to see all this new material showing up. As recent as two years ago, there were several sets I thought would take me a lifetime to achieve set PSA 7s or better. It's now apparent that PSA 7 sets are possible for most sets with PSA 8 sets possible with a few too.
Yes, I've also noticed British dealers grading more and more cards. With more cards hitting the market, prices have been rising due to more collectors realizing these cards are now available. It does make it more expensive for us now though.
Peter
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Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
To all who have had dealings with and know David Johnson I would like to announce the arrival of their son, Nathaniel Hagen Johnson. Baby arrived on January 4th at 3:36 am. Both he and mom are doing great!
Dave is one of the nicest vintage golf collectors out there. He welcomes all newcomers and is happy to share his knowledge of the hobby with anyone. Dave is a class act all the way.
Congratulations to the Johnson family.
Peter
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Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
In the small amount of time i have known dave and in the small amount of dealings i have had with him i have always found him to be courteous, knowledgeable and friendly.
My best wishes go to Dave and his family.
Peter - I have sent you a message about hof golfers.
Thanks! I'm a little surprised that it went for about 1/4 of SMR. I guess SMR might be a little off in regards to that series. Now I'm just waiting patiently for PSA to add the 1901's to the set registry.
Heres are the results from my latest adventure. I resubmitted the Tait PSA 2 and it came back a 2 so I'm still baffled. Overall not too bad but still too many 4's.
1 12458483 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 22 E.W.E. HOLDERNESS FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 8 2 12458484 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 50 E.R. WHITCOMBE FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 5 3 12458485 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 45 HARRY VARDON FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 6 4 12458486 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 49 ROGER H. WETHERED FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 5 12458487 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 44 HARRY VARDON FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 8 6 12458488 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 48 ROGER H. WETHERED FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 7 12458489 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 43 C.J.H. TOLLEY FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 8 12458490 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 47 HARRY VARDON FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 8 9 12458491 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 42 J.H. TAYLOR FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 10 12458492 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 46 HARRY VARDON FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7 11 12458493 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 41 J.H. TAYLOR FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 8 12 12458494 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 45 MISS JOYCE WETHERED PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 6 13 12458495 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 31 FRANCIS OUIMET PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 5 14 12458496 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 32 T.P. PERKINS PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 8 15 12458497 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 33 EDWARD RAY PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 7 16 12458498 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 34 FRED ROBSON PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 4 17 12458499 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 35 E. SARAZEN PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 8 18 12458500 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 36 HORTON SMITH PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 7 19 12458501 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 37 J. NELSON SMITH PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 8 20 12458502 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 38 J.A. STOUT PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 8 21 12458503 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 47 C.A. WHITCOMBE PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 6 22 12458504 1930 W.D. & H.O. WILLS 12 SIR. HOLDERNESS FAMOUS GOLFERS 7 23 12458505 1930 W.D. & H.O. WILLS 14 ARNAUD MASSY FAMOUS GOLFERS 6 24 12458506 1930 W.D. & H.O. WILLS 16 R.H. DE MONTMORENCY FAMOUS GOLFERS 6 25 12458507 1930 W.D. & H.O. WILLS 18 EDWARD RAY FAMOUS GOLFERS 6 26 12458508 1930 W.D. & H.O. WILLS 18 EDWARD RAY FAMOUS GOLFERS 6 27 12458509 1901 OGDEN'S LTD. LT. F.G. TAIT GUINEA GOLD GOLF-I BASE 2 28 12458510 1901 OGDEN'S LTD. G.G. VARDON V. BRAID GOLF-I BASE-4 w/SPEC. 6 29 12458511 1901 OGDEN'S LTD. VARDON V. BRAID GU.GOLD GOLF-I BASE-VERT. 7 30 12458512 1901 OGDEN'S LTD. G.G. VARDON V. BRAID GOLF-I BASE-5 w/SPEC.R&BK 6 31 12458513 1901 OGDEN'S LTD. VARDON V. BRAID GU.GLD.GOLF-I BASE-2 PLAY 5 32 12458514 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 1 AUBREY BOOMER FAMOUS GOLFERS 5 33 12458515 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO 2 WALTER HAGEN FAMOUS GOLFERS 5 34 12458516 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 3 SIR E. HOLDERNESS FAMOUS GOLFERS 6 35 12458517 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 4 ROGER WETHERED FAMOUS GOLFERS 6 36 12458518 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 5 HARRY VARDON FAMOUS GOLFERS 8 37 12458519 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 6 C.A. WHITCOMBE FAMOUS GOLFERS 6 38 12458520 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 7 ALEX HERD FAMOUS GOLFERS 5 39 12458521 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 8 ABE MITCHELL FAMOUS GOLFERS 7 40 12458522 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 9 C.J.H. TOLLEY FAMOUS GOLFERS 6 41 12458523 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 10 JESSE SWEETSER FAMOUS GOLFERS 6 42 12458524 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 11 MISS DIANA V.ESMOND FAMOUS GOLFERS 8 43 12458525 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 12 MRS. GUEDALLA FAMOUS GOLFERS 8 44 12458526 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 13 MISS JOYCE WETHERED FAMOUS GOLFERS 8 45 12458527 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 14 GEORGE DUNCAN FAMOUS GOLFERS 7 46 12458528 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 15 DOROTHY PEARSON FAMOUS GOLFERS 7 47 12458529 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 16 EDWARD RAY FAMOUS GOLFERS 8 48 12458530 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 17 GEORGE GADD FAMOUS GOLFERS 6 49 12458531 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 18 A.G. HAVERS FAMOUS GOLFERS 8 50 12458532 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 19 MISS DORIS CHAMBERS FAMOUS GOLFERS 7 51 12458533 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 20 BOBBY JONES FAMOUS GOLFERS 6 52 12458534 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 21 T.H. COTTON FAMOUS GOLFERS 4 53 12458535 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 22 MRS. ALAN MACBETH FAMOUS GOLFERS 8 54 12458536 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 23 MISS CECIL LEITCH FAMOUS GOLFERS 9OC 55 12458537 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO 24 TOMMY ARMOUR FAMOUS GOLFERS 4 56 12458538 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 25 DR. W. TWEDDELL FAMOUS GOLFERS 6 57 12458539 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 26 ROBERT HARRIS FAMOUS GOLFERS 7 58 12458540 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 27 E.R. WHITCOMBE FAMOUS GOLFERS 4
Also, for those that havent yet seen them, check out the scans of the PSA 9 Jones and Hagen in Martins (Horty321) 1928 Millhoff registry set. Very nice cards.
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Welcome to the thread. There are only a few of us collecting vintage golf cards at this time but you will get all sorts of friendly advice here. I've collected all three major sports and these cards are unlike most of the other sports issues for several reasons. Availability is probably the main one, most of the vintage golf cards were produced in England, with a few in Germany and other places. You won't find all that many for sale on Ebay either. Another is expense. A lot of these cards can be purchased, when available for very reasonable prices. Try purchasing a vintage tobacco baseball card in PSA 7 or PSA 8 for less than $ 100, sometimes less than $ 20. These sets are also quite small ranging from 12 to 50 cards for the most part. I've put most of my sets together by buying complete sets from English collectors or dealers and from trading with other members you see frequent this thread.
Check out the Registries to see what you like. 1900 Copes, 1923 Copes, 1924 Wills, 1927 Churchman, 1928 Millhoff, 1930 Wills, 1931 Churchman, and 1939 Players and sets that come to mind that you might be interested in. If you like real photos try the 1927 Churchman small set. The set has 50 black and white photos of the best golfers of the day. This set is also the most available and except for the stars in PSA 8, not all that expensive. If you like caricatures, try the 1931 Churchman small set. It's one of my favorites and the cards are in color. It's a tougher set in high grade but also one of the more available sets.
Check out what you like and Dave, myself, Brian, Jason, and a few others would be glad to give you specific advice on availability, price, etc. I'm sure we all have some extras you can get too when you decide on where to start.
Good luck.
Peter
Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
Dave, have you noticed we've topped the 100 entry mark on the thread? Thanks for starting it up. It can only help our little sector of collecting.
Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
Welcome!
Peter and Brian have said it well, there is a lot of good choices out there when it comes to golf cards and we all get along pretty well!
Check out a few of the registry sets, Peter and I have added photos as well as Jason to ours, (sorry Brian I haven't checked yours) I want to have photos out there so everyone can see these great cards.
I have sold a lot of the 31 churchmans, but would have the balance left. I will know specifically what I would still have left over by tomorrow, so I will send you a PM with details.
Dave
Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Brain,
Congratulations on your progress, especially with the 1928 Millhoff, 1927 Churchman small, and 1931 Churchman small sets. Unless you get real lucky, upgrading a few cards at a time is pretty much the only thing you can do. It's tough and you end up with a number of extras but it's also loads of fun. I will get back with you this weekend.
Peter
Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
Nice cards. The Tait is puzzling, especially considering you managed some PSA 7s. I wish my Vardon had gone in with your group, maybe I would have managed a PSA 8 out of it instead of only an 8.
Thanks for the great scans. What were your settings on the scans? They sure are nice and clear.
Peter
Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
On this new scanner I scan everything as a document rather than an image and save it as a either a .tif or .jpg and just scale it down a bit in photoshop. When I scanned it as an image it was grainy and I thought something was wrong with the scanner. Not really sure why that works but I'm happy with it now.
The scan of Vardon looks better than the actual card.
Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
1 PERCY ALLISS 5
3 AUBREY BOOMER 6
4 T.A. BOURN 6
5 JAMES BRAID 6
6 W. CAMPBELL 6
7 MISS GLENNA COLLETT 7
9 T.H. COTTON 6
12 GEORGE VON ELM 5 6
13 J. FARRELL 5
14 MISS DIANA FISHWICK 5 6
15 MISS MOLLY GOURLAY 6 7
16 WALTER HAGEN 5 6 7
17 REX W. HARTLEY 4 5
18 A.G. HAVERS 7
19 ALEX HERD 5
20 MAJOR C.O. HEZLET 6 6
21 "HOLDERNESS, BART" 5
22 L. HOLLAND 5 6
23 HARRISON R.JOHNSTON 6 7
24 H.C. JOLLY 6
25 BOBBY JONES 7
26 J. JURADO 3 6
27 J. KIRKWOOD 5
28 ROLAND MACKENZIE 5 6
29 ABE MITCHELL 6
30 DONALD K. MOE 5 6
32 T.P. PERKINS 6
33 EDWARD RAY 5
34 FRED ROBSON 5
36 HORTON SMITH 6
37 J. NELSON SMITH 6
38 J.A. STOUT 6
40 C.J.H. TOLLEY 5
42 HARRY VARDON 7
45 MISS JOYCE WETHERED 4
46 R.H. WETHERED 4 6
50 MISS ENID WILSON 4
Mike, thanks again for the trade. The cards arrived today. Yours is going out on Monday and I still have to figure out what else I can throw in to make it work!
Dave
Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Brian,
That frame is impressive. I like the idea of easy access to changing out cards when upgrading. What a great set to showcase too. Thanks for sharing.
Peter
Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
For something a little fun to start off the new of of 2006. I signed up for a CBSsportsline fantasy golf league. There are 8 spots in the league, I of course will have filled one of them.
I was thinking if I could get 7 other folks to join here from the golf board, it may be fun.
I have never done a golf league before, but the rules are rotisserie style points based on a bunch of categories like scoring, money earned, driving distance and accuaracy etc.
If interested drop me a PM with your address and I will send you a league invite!
and best of all.....it's FREE!!!
Dave
Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Being a newbie here ( the little lady got me a 2 yr membership) I have no idea how to send a PM....any help would be greatly appreciated, and happy holidays to all !
-- Yogi Berra
Just need your email address. I do not think you are set up for PM right now on the site looking at your posts.
You can drop me an email at
sjohnson22@neb.rr.com
with your email address and I will send you a league invite!
Dave
Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Dave, send me a league invite.
For some reason sporstline will not accept your email address to send an invitatino to you. I may try another rout if you can send me a different email address.
Also, VINTAGEGOLFCARDS on ebay has some great rare offerings up for sale.....lot of low pop churchmans, millhoffs, and even some very elusive marsumas.....take a look. Just don't out bid me!!!
Merry Christmas everybody!
Dave
Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
I saw the Millhoffs and Churchmans earlier today. I have a feeling we might bump into each other on at least a few of those auctions.
1 12452147 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 42 J.H. TAYLOR FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
2 12452148 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 38 A.F. SIMPSON FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 6
3 12452149 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 34 EDWARD RAY FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 8
4 12452150 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 33 TOM MORRIS FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
5 12452151 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 31 ABE MITCHELL FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
6 12452152 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 23 LEN HOLLAND FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
7 12452153 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 12 GEORGE GADD FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
8 12452154 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 11 GEORGE GADD FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 8
9 12452155 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 10 GEORGE DUNCAN FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
10 12452156 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 14 WALTER HAGEN FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 6
11 12452157 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 12 MRS. GUEDALLA FAMOUS GOLFERS Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
12 12452158 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 4 ROGER WETHERED FAMOUS GOLFERS 5
13 12452159 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 8 ABE MITCHELL FAMOUS GOLFERS 9
Date Received: 12/19/2005
Date of Grades Posted: 12/27/2005
Date Shipped: No Date Specified
1 90576669 1928 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 7 ARNAUD MASSY FAMOUS GOLFERS SER.OF 12 6
2 90576670 1928 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 12 ERNEST WHITCOMBE FAMOUS GOLFERS SER.OF 12 7
3 90576671 1928 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 9 ALEXANDER SIMPSON FAMOUS GOLFERS SER.OF 12 6
4 90576672 1928 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 5 A.G. HAVERS FAMOUS GOLFERS SER.OF 12 6
5 90576673 1928 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 3 ARCHIE COMPSTON FAMOUS GOLFERS SER.OF 12 7
6 90576674 1928 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 8 TOM MORRIS FAMOUS GOLFERS SER.OF 12 5
7 90576675 1928 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 2 AUBREY BOOMER FAMOUS GOLFERS SER.OF 12 8
8 90576676 1928 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 10 JESS SWEETSER FAMOUS GOLFERS SER.OF 12 6
9 90576677 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 4 AUBREY BASIL BOOMER FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
10 90576678 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 7 JAMES BRAID FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
11 90576679 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 9 GEORGE DUNCAN FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
12 90576680 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 13 WALTER HAGEN FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 5
13 90576681 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 16 ARTHUR HAVERS FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
14 90576682 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 18 ALEXANDER HERD FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
15 90576683 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 20 ALEXANDER HERD FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
16 90576684 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 22 E.W.E. HOLDERNESS FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
17 90576685 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 24 WILLIAM HUNTER FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
18 90576686 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 32 ABE MITCHELL FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
19 90576687 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 35 EDWARD RAY FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
20 90576688 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 37 BEN SAYERS FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
21 90576689 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 39 JESS SWEETSER FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
22 90576690 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 41 J.H. TAYLOR FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 6
23 90576691 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 43 C.J.H. TOLLEY FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
24 90576692 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 14 GEORGE DUNCAN FAMOUS GOLFERS 8
25 90576693 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 15 DOROTHY PEARSON FAMOUS GOLFERS 5
Date Received: 12/19/2005
Date of Grades Posted: 12/27/2005
Date Shipped: No Date Specified
Also your two cards arrived today! Thanks again for a great deal!
Dave
Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
The vintage golf market seems to be gaining momentum all the time.
I will be listing a few myself. I have the leftovers from my earlier 1931 churchman offerings. If anyone is interested here is what is left over.
#10 PSA 6
#14 PSA 6
#20 PSA 6
#7 PSA 6
#10 PSA 5
#11 PSA 5
#49 PSA 5
#30 PSA 4
#50 PSA 5
I also have a 1948 Kelloggs Pep Sam Snead RC graded a PSA 3 and a 1937 Kelloggs Pep stamps complete panel with Walter Hagen and Leo Durocher that is a PSA 5 (highest graded)
If you have an interest let me know before I throw them out to the masses!
Happy New Year!
Dave
Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Here is a picture of a very rare 'Bobby Jones' card I thought you might like to see.
Dave, I have sent you an email about your spare cards.
If anyone has any questions about some of the more obscure 'English' cards feel free to ask me.
Happy New Year!
Hello. That is a nice Pictue House Jones card. Thanks for posting it. You don't happen to have an extra one for sale or trade, do you?
Thanks,
Jason
If you're looking for either 1931 or 1927 Churchman cards, drop me a PM as I have a ton of spares in the PSA 5 and 6 range for each year.
Brian
Jason - I wish i had more! This is the only one I have ever seen.
Interestingly PSA have graded one card under the year '1934' however that does not tie up with the days and dates on the back of the card! I think the card is '1932' but there may be other issues in other years.
Do any of you own that graded card? I would be interested to know the dates on the back.
Brian - I have some 1927 & 1931 Churchmans waiting to be graded, once I have got them done and I know what I need I will drop you a line.
Martin,
Welcome to the boards and thanks for sharing the Bobby Jones card. It's good to hear graded cards are beginning to catch on overseas. Maybe that will bring out more product for us collectors over here.
Regards,
Peter
Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
Happy New Year and Welcome!
That Bobby Jones is a great card. A friend of mine here in Lincoln has one but he is basically married to it and no amount of tempting trades is ever getting it out of his hands. His is a different card number. I think yours looks a bit nicer
In other news, I purchased the #1 1923 Copes Golf Strokes set to combine with my own and take the overall GPA to around 7.63. Our sets were just a fraction apart in GPA and when Jack offered me the chance to purchase his set, there was really no decision to be made on my part.
It was a tough time of the year to purchase such a great set, but as most of you know this set is extremely rare and it was an opportunity I could not pass up. I will get the registry updated today and hopefully add scans as well.
Now if I could only find a nice Marsuma set........
Dave
Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
$127.51 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers Alexander Herd PSA 8!
$79.99 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers Aubrey Boomer PSA 8!
$63.00 1928 Millhoff Golf Dr. W. Tweddell PSA 7!
$66.01 1914 Marsuma Famous Golfers James Braid PSA 6!
$127.51 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers J.H. Taylor PSA 8!
$243.51 1928 Millhoff Golf T.H. Cotton PSA 8!
$43.00 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers John Ball PSA 6!
$51.00 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers George Duncan PSA 7!
$159.50 1928 Millhoff Golf C. A. Whitcombe PSA 8 (1/2)!
$46.01 1914 Marsuma Famous Golfers J. H. Taylor PSA 5!
$202.49 1914 Marsuma Famous Golfers H.H. Hilton PSA 7 (1/2)!
$10.50 1931 Churchman (Small) Golfers James Braid SGC 60!
$59.99 1914 Marsuma Famous Golfers James Braid PSA 6!
$222.50 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers Bobby Jones PSA 6!
$67.00 1928 Millhoff Golf C.J.H. Tolley PSA 7!
$280.01 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers Harry Vardon PSA 8 (1/4)!
$84.00 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers Roger H. Wethered PSA 8!
$299.99 1928 Millhoff Golf Mrs. Guedalla PSA 9 (1/1)!
$13.25 1931 Churchman (Small) Golfers C. A. Whitcombe SGC 60!
$179.99 1927 Churchman Famous Golfers Harry Vardon PSA 8 (1/4)!
Wowie!
Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Dave,
You are so right. Vintage golf cards are gaining recognition. There was definitely some strong action on these cards, especially considering most of them were "commons".
Did you happen to pick up any?
I'm anxiously awaiting the upgrade of your 1923 Copes set. With your recent purchases, you should be closing in on the best graded vintage golf card collection. Nice job.
Peter
Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
No I did not win any. I only bid on 2 of them - 1 millhoff and 1 churchman. If I would not have just bought that Copes set, I would have likely been more aggressive on a few of them.
Brian, saw you picked up a couple though. Nice job!
The 1923 Copes set is now updated. I don't have scans on it yet but here ya go!
1923 Copes Golf Strokes
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Dave,
Fantastic 1923 Copes set. I believe this one is fast approaching the untouchability of your 1900 Copes set. Great job.
Peter
Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
And no it isn't me......
Might be someone who recently had a PSA 8 Hagen up for sale on ebay???
Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Guys,
I was wondering why the PSA 8 Hagen was being sold. With the 4 PSA 8s accounted for, I was puzzled with the sale of the Hagen. I let my subscription lapse until my move is completed so I don't have access to the population or SMR reports to see what's going on with new grades. Did you notice if the PSA 9 1/1 Millhoff that sold has a population of 2 now?
Do you think better cards are being discovered or maybe the standards have been lowered a little???
It seems like a lot of my previous 1927 PSA 8s from a year or so ago were sharper than some of the PSA 8s I've received lately. Maybe it's just my imagination or maybe my earlier finds were highend 8s and my later submissions have been low end 8s???
Peter
Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
I still havent come close to figuring out the "little card" grading. I think a lot has to do with who you get for a grader. Some cards that look great come back as 5's and 6's and others that might get an 8 just dont look as sharp as 8's that I've bought from you guys from being graded a while back. I have had some good luck with resubmits as PSA 5's have become 7's and a couple of 6's have become 8's. Its a crapshoot.
When a high grade card is listed with a population that has not been updated yet, but the seller knows there's been another graded, should they report the card with the old or new population?
Too me, it seems a little dishonest. Maybe technically correct, but still not on the up and up as far as I'm concerned.
Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
1928 Millhoff Golf C. A. Whitcombe PSA 8 (1/2) (Pop now 3)
1928 Millhoff Golf Mrs. Guedalla PSA 9 (1/1) (Pop now 2)
1928 Millhoff Golf Walter Hagen PSA 8! (1/4) (Pop now 6!)
I sort of knew Jack had another Guedalla when I bid on the 1/1 but if I was someone else who doesnt follow the set collecting or these things and I bought a PSA 9 1/1 and 24 hours later the population had doubled and I found out that this seller had the 2nd card yet advertised it as 1/1 then I might have an issue with it.
I once had a buyer come unglued at me for selling a Pop 1 of 3 card that ended up a pop 1 of 5 by the end of my auction. Since I did not own either of the new 2 cards, how was I supposed to know.....hence the disclaimer I now put in some of my auctions.
Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Dave,
We've both sold a number of cards and at times populations increase while we are selling. That is understandable and we have no control over that. I've had the same happen to me. My concern is when someone sells a card that they just had graded themselves and knows the population has changed but still reports the old population.
Peter
Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
<< <i>Do you think better cards are being discovered or maybe the standards have been lowered a little??? >>
I think it is a bit of both. I noticed in the Copes set that I purchased that many of MY cards that were the same or even lesser grade appeared to be stronger than the same numbered card of the set I bought. Grading is pretty consistent overall, but there are always cases for each of us where we feel one card got graded too harshly
The other part to remember is that the majority of the cards we collect were all produced overseas. If you look at the purchases yourself, Mike, me and others have made in the past year, it is obvious that a lot of high grade material is still out there. I think this coupled with the higher prices we are starting to see will start brining more of it out of the woodwork and into PSA holders. The word on PSA is getting out over in England. Even some of the dealers I have bought for years that are located overseas are now grading some Jones and Hagen cards in particular- - - - - as they know they can receive premium prices on those cards.
Just my 2 cents......
Dave
Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Dave,
Thanks for your replies. I've always found your opinions to be honest and I value that. I'm also happy to see all this new material showing up. As recent as two years ago, there were several sets I thought would take me a lifetime to achieve set PSA 7s or better. It's now apparent that PSA 7 sets are possible for most sets with PSA 8 sets possible with a few too.
Yes, I've also noticed British dealers grading more and more cards. With more cards hitting the market, prices have been rising due to more collectors realizing these cards are now available. It does make it more expensive for us now though.
Peter
Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
To all who have had dealings with and know David Johnson I would like to announce the arrival of their son, Nathaniel Hagen Johnson. Baby arrived on January 4th at 3:36 am. Both he and mom are doing great!
Dave is one of the nicest vintage golf collectors out there. He welcomes all newcomers and is happy to share his knowledge of the hobby with anyone. Dave is a class act all the way.
Congratulations to the Johnson family.
Peter
Vintage golf, 1981-82 Donruss golf, and a few other odds and ends.
My best wishes go to Dave and his family.
Peter - I have sent you a message about hof golfers.
Regards
Martin
Congratulations. I wish you all the best.
Jason
1931 Chuchman Set
As I have said before, the momentum is gaining all the time.......
Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Brian nice pick up on the Balfor PSA 7. You stole that one and it will be a nice addition with your other Ogdens.
Dave
Collector of Vintage Golf cards! Let me know what you might have.
Heres are the results from my latest adventure. I resubmitted the Tait PSA 2 and it came back a 2 so I'm still baffled. Overall not too bad but still too many 4's.
1 12458483 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 22 E.W.E. HOLDERNESS FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 8
2 12458484 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 50 E.R. WHITCOMBE FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 5
3 12458485 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 45 HARRY VARDON FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 6
4 12458486 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 49 ROGER H. WETHERED FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
5 12458487 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 44 HARRY VARDON FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 8
6 12458488 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 48 ROGER H. WETHERED FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
7 12458489 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 43 C.J.H. TOLLEY FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
8 12458490 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 47 HARRY VARDON FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 8
9 12458491 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 42 J.H. TAYLOR FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
10 12458492 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 46 HARRY VARDON FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 7
11 12458493 1927 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 41 J.H. TAYLOR FAMOUS GOLFERS-SMALL 8
12 12458494 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 45 MISS JOYCE WETHERED PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 6
13 12458495 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 31 FRANCIS OUIMET PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 5
14 12458496 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 32 T.P. PERKINS PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 8
15 12458497 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 33 EDWARD RAY PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 7
16 12458498 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 34 FRED ROBSON PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 4
17 12458499 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 35 E. SARAZEN PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 8
18 12458500 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 36 HORTON SMITH PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 7
19 12458501 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 37 J. NELSON SMITH PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 8
20 12458502 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 38 J.A. STOUT PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 8
21 12458503 1931 WA&AC CHURCHMAN 47 C.A. WHITCOMBE PROMINENT GOLFERS-SMALL 6
22 12458504 1930 W.D. & H.O. WILLS 12 SIR. HOLDERNESS FAMOUS GOLFERS 7
23 12458505 1930 W.D. & H.O. WILLS 14 ARNAUD MASSY FAMOUS GOLFERS 6
24 12458506 1930 W.D. & H.O. WILLS 16 R.H. DE MONTMORENCY FAMOUS GOLFERS 6
25 12458507 1930 W.D. & H.O. WILLS 18 EDWARD RAY FAMOUS GOLFERS 6
26 12458508 1930 W.D. & H.O. WILLS 18 EDWARD RAY FAMOUS GOLFERS 6
27 12458509 1901 OGDEN'S LTD. LT. F.G. TAIT GUINEA GOLD GOLF-I BASE 2
28 12458510 1901 OGDEN'S LTD. G.G. VARDON V. BRAID GOLF-I BASE-4 w/SPEC. 6
29 12458511 1901 OGDEN'S LTD. VARDON V. BRAID GU.GOLD GOLF-I BASE-VERT. 7
30 12458512 1901 OGDEN'S LTD. G.G. VARDON V. BRAID GOLF-I BASE-5 w/SPEC.R&BK 6
31 12458513 1901 OGDEN'S LTD. VARDON V. BRAID GU.GLD.GOLF-I BASE-2 PLAY 5
32 12458514 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 1 AUBREY BOOMER FAMOUS GOLFERS 5
33 12458515 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO 2 WALTER HAGEN FAMOUS GOLFERS 5
34 12458516 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 3 SIR E. HOLDERNESS FAMOUS GOLFERS 6
35 12458517 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 4 ROGER WETHERED FAMOUS GOLFERS 6
36 12458518 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 5 HARRY VARDON FAMOUS GOLFERS 8
37 12458519 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 6 C.A. WHITCOMBE FAMOUS GOLFERS 6
38 12458520 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 7 ALEX HERD FAMOUS GOLFERS 5
39 12458521 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 8 ABE MITCHELL FAMOUS GOLFERS 7
40 12458522 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 9 C.J.H. TOLLEY FAMOUS GOLFERS 6
41 12458523 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 10 JESSE SWEETSER FAMOUS GOLFERS 6
42 12458524 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 11 MISS DIANA V.ESMOND FAMOUS GOLFERS 8
43 12458525 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 12 MRS. GUEDALLA FAMOUS GOLFERS 8
44 12458526 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 13 MISS JOYCE WETHERED FAMOUS GOLFERS 8
45 12458527 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 14 GEORGE DUNCAN FAMOUS GOLFERS 7
46 12458528 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 15 DOROTHY PEARSON FAMOUS GOLFERS 7
47 12458529 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 16 EDWARD RAY FAMOUS GOLFERS 8
48 12458530 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 17 GEORGE GADD FAMOUS GOLFERS 6
49 12458531 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 18 A.G. HAVERS FAMOUS GOLFERS 8
50 12458532 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 19 MISS DORIS CHAMBERS FAMOUS GOLFERS 7
51 12458533 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 20 BOBBY JONES FAMOUS GOLFERS 6
52 12458534 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 21 T.H. COTTON FAMOUS GOLFERS 4
53 12458535 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 22 MRS. ALAN MACBETH FAMOUS GOLFERS 8
54 12458536 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 23 MISS CECIL LEITCH FAMOUS GOLFERS 9OC
55 12458537 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO 24 TOMMY ARMOUR FAMOUS GOLFERS 4
56 12458538 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 25 DR. W. TWEDDELL FAMOUS GOLFERS 6
57 12458539 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 26 ROBERT HARRIS FAMOUS GOLFERS 7
58 12458540 1928 J. MILLHOFF & CO. 27 E.R. WHITCOMBE FAMOUS GOLFERS 4
Also, for those that havent yet seen them, check out the scans of the PSA 9 Jones and Hagen in Martins (Horty321) 1928 Millhoff registry set. Very nice cards.