@coiner said:
If youre prepared to spend 30k on a Privy - you'll be buried in it for years.
The only reason why #1 is so high is because of the dies - there is money to be made there (and possibly a business opportunity)
✅💲Exactly
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@coiner said:
Good luck all. Just dont get burnt. An ordinary 230 gold privy in 70 achieveing above 14-15k the owner will be buried in it for years to come.
Does anyone today buy coins that they like and plan to keep forever without worring about financial gains? I highly doubt that I'll make a profit on any of my coins in my lifetime, and I'm fine with that. It's a hobby, not my livelihood.
As to future value, who knows? Not a guaranteed home run, based on what they will be going for on the 12th, but also no reason they shouldn't hold their value, given the nature of the product and extremely limited mintage. If it was that uninteresting, we wouldn't be devoting page after page to discussing it here.
How many American coins do you have in your collection with a mintage or surviving population under 250? If the answer is zero, you honestly have no idea what you are talking about.
If you think people will be buried in 70s at $15K, you are simply not the target audience for this product, and will never actually get your hands on one. So what you think is going to turn out to be totally irrelevant once your max bids get blown away once things get going on the 12th.
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There are many Proof Only Issues in different series in the mid 1800's that have mintages in the 300-700 range and much less pieces existing that are 3,000 bucks or less.
One thing I do know - is you probably arent even a bidder but contunue to shoot off about how these will be the next great thing since sliced bread. You have no idea of what your talking about ---period.
Like I said folks - buried at $15k. Be prepared to lose on resale if you are bidding $15k or higher on these.
I give up - youre like talking to a 10 year old at the school yard well over a half century ago.
Good luck all. If you so choose to pay more for one - more power to you and enjoy your purchase.
How many American coins do you have in your collection with a mintage or surviving population under 250? If the answer is zero, you honestly have no idea what you are talking about.
If you think people will be buried in 70s at $15K, you are simply not the target audience for this product, and will never actually get your hands on one. So what you think is going to turn out to be totally irrelevant once your max bids get blown away once things get going on the 12th.
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There are many Proof Only Issues in different series in the mid 1800's that have mintages in the 300-700 range and much less pieces existing that are 3,000 bucks or less.
One thing I do know - is you probably arent even a bidder but contunue to shoot off about how these will be the next great thing since sliced bread. You have no idea of what your talking about ---period.
Like I said folks - buried at $15k. Be prepared to lose on resale if you are bidding $15k or higher on these.
I give up - youre like talking to a 10 year old at the school yard well over a half century ago.
Good luck all. If you so choose to pay more for one - more power to you and enjoy your purchase.
One of us certainly has no idea what they are talking about. TBD.
As I said before, if it turns out to be you, I just hope you are as quick to take your lumps as you were to dish them out to me. And, this time, there isn't going to be any funny business involving product limits. Just shock, one way or the other, regarding where these hammer.
Not the next great thing since sliced bread. Just the next great thing since 1794 silver medals with privys and 230 signed numbered COAs. This time in the form of gold, monetized coins, with the mintage limited to 230, 1/8th the level of the silver medals.
Hard to see how they could go for a multiple of what the silver versions fetched on eBay shortly after release. Buried. I can't wait for your mea culpa. 🤣
How many American coins do you have in your collection with a mintage or surviving population under 250? If the answer is zero, you honestly have no idea what you are talking about.
If you think people will be buried in 70s at $15K, you are simply not the target audience for this product, and will never actually get your hands on one. So what you think is going to turn out to be totally irrelevant once your max bids get blown away once things get going on the 12th.
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There are many Proof Only Issues in different series in the mid 1800's that have mintages in the 300-700 range and much less pieces existing that are 3,000 bucks or less.
One thing I do know - is you probably arent even a bidder but contunue to shoot off about how these will be the next great thing since sliced bread. You have no idea of what your talking about ---period.
Like I said folks - buried at $15k. Be prepared to lose on resale if you are bidding $15k or higher on these.
I give up - youre like talking to a 10 year old at the school yard well over a half century ago.
Good luck all. If you so choose to pay more for one - more power to you and enjoy your purchase.
Don't forget the numerous pattern coins with sub 100 mintages that cost less than 10k... often much less.
How many American coins do you have in your collection with a mintage or surviving population under 250? If the answer is zero, you honestly have no idea what you are talking about.
If you think people will be buried in 70s at $15K, you are simply not the target audience for this product, and will never actually get your hands on one. So what you think is going to turn out to be totally irrelevant once your max bids get blown away once things get going on the 12th.
>
There are many Proof Only Issues in different series in the mid 1800's that have mintages in the 300-700 range and much less pieces existing that are 3,000 bucks or less.
One thing I do know - is you probably arent even a bidder but contunue to shoot off about how these will be the next great thing since sliced bread. You have no idea of what your talking about ---period.
Like I said folks - buried at $15k. Be prepared to lose on resale if you are bidding $15k or higher on these.
I give up - youre like talking to a 10 year old at the school yard well over a half century ago.
Good luck all. If you so choose to pay more for one - more power to you and enjoy your purchase.
Don't forget the numerous pattern coins with sub 100 mintages that cost less than 10k... often much less.
So what? In this case, 230 examples will each sell for more than $9K.
I clearly made a mistake by opening the door to this by asking the question. Digging back in history to find examples of low mintage items with a very limited market is not going to inform where these sell.
Other not quite unique nickels sell for millions, so what is your point? That these won't crack $15K because that nickel sold for $9K? Or that rare, unwanted varieties sell for peanuts, so this is garbage?
So what? In this case, 230 examples will each sell for more than $9K.
I clearly made a mistake by opening the door to this by asking the question. Digging back in history to find examples of low mintage items with a very limited market is not going to inform where these sell.
Other not quite unique nickels sell for millions, so what is your point? That these won't crack $15K because that nickel sold for $9K? Or that rare, unwanted varieties sell for peanuts, so this is garbage?
You already made my point. The question you asked was flawed and provides no price guidance.
Unfortunately, i had to prove it to you.
1945 mintage popular coins sell for more than 230 mintage unpopular coins. This was already proven with the silver privy medal. Compare its price at 1794 mintage to a 1995-W ASE with a mintage of 30,000.
So what? In this case, 230 examples will each sell for more than $9K.
I clearly made a mistake by opening the door to this by asking the question. Digging back in history to find examples of low mintage items with a very limited market is not going to inform where these sell.
Other not quite unique nickels sell for millions, so what is your point? That these won't crack $15K because that nickel sold for $9K? Or that rare, unwanted varieties sell for peanuts, so this is garbage?
I never said they won't crack $15k. I said i don't expect them to. You were at 20k to 50k.
I truly prefer and appreciate these coins in a slab. I will keep my original from the Mint and hope sometime down the road to have a 69 or 70. Probably not of the 230, though.
Their appearance is breathtaking and much preferred to the silver. For those of you that haven’t seen one live yet, you will understand Once you fill the heat!
For those that have one or more already, feel a bit lucky, feel blessed and feel privileged.
So what? In this case, 230 examples will each sell for more than $9K.
I clearly made a mistake by opening the door to this by asking the question. Digging back in history to find examples of low mintage items with a very limited market is not going to inform where these sell.
Other not quite unique nickels sell for millions, so what is your point? That these won't crack $15K because that nickel sold for $9K? Or that rare, unwanted varieties sell for peanuts, so this is garbage?
I never said they won't crack $15k. I said i don't expect them to. You were at 20k to 50k.
Won't. Don't expect them to. Is there really a difference? What is the meaning of the word "is"? And I'm still at $20-50K.
If you turn out to be wrong, you aren't going to get to say you weren't wrong, because you didn't say "won't," but only said "don't expect." At least not with me.
@MilesWaits said:
I truly prefer and appreciate these coins in a slab. I will keep my original from the Mint and hope sometime down the road to have a 69 or 70. Probably not of the 230, though.
Their appearance is breathtaking and much preferred to the silver. For those of you that haven’t seen one live yet, you will understand Once you fill the heat!
For those that have one or more already, feel a bit lucky, feel blessed and feel privileged.
And for those who don't have one, be ready when the other 7,500 go on sale. Unless the mint sells them all to the big boys or comes up with some ridiculously priced gimmick.
Hoping for a Christmas two gold coin and silver medal set.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
So what? In this case, 230 examples will each sell for more than $9K.
I clearly made a mistake by opening the door to this by asking the question. Digging back in history to find examples of low mintage items with a very limited market is not going to inform where these sell.
Other not quite unique nickels sell for millions, so what is your point? That these won't crack $15K because that nickel sold for $9K? Or that rare, unwanted varieties sell for peanuts, so this is garbage?
You already made my point. The question you asked was flawed and provides no price guidance.
Unfortunately, i had to prove it to you.
1945 mintage popular coins sell for more than 230 mintage unpopular coins. This was already proven with the silver privy medal. Compare its price at 1794 mintage to a 1995-W ASE with a mintage of 30,000.
Fair enough. But, based on 10K selling out in 4 minutes, these really don't compare to a Judd-583, so you actually proved nothing.
Doesn't matter. We'll all see, one way or the other, in less than two weeks. No need to reach back to 1867 to try to prove anything.
So what? In this case, 230 examples will each sell for more than $9K.
I clearly made a mistake by opening the door to this by asking the question. Digging back in history to find examples of low mintage items with a very limited market is not going to inform where these sell.
Other not quite unique nickels sell for millions, so what is your point? That these won't crack $15K because that nickel sold for $9K? Or that rare, unwanted varieties sell for peanuts, so this is garbage?
I never said they won't crack $15k. I said i don't expect them to. You were at 20k to 50k.
Won't. Don't expect them to. Is there really a difference? What is the meaning of the word "is"? And I'm still at $20-50K.
I hand never ruled out higher numbers. Unlike you, I don't claim to know the future. I expect them to be in the 10kn range, as I've said. I haven't ever said that higher numbers aren't possible. You have openly mocked people for suggesting that they won't get above 10k or so.
There is a significant difference between "won't " and "don't expect". I don't expect Kansas City to win the super bowl leaves open the possible. Kansas City won't win the super bowl excludes the possibility.
1945 mintage popular coins sell for more than 230 mintage unpopular coins. This was already proven with the silver privy medal. Compare its price at 1794 mintage to a 1995-W ASE with a mintage of 30,000.
@coiner said:
This was the KEY statement you missed:
1945 mintage popular coins sell for more than 230 mintage unpopular coins. This was already proven with the silver privy medal. Compare its price at 1794 mintage to a 1995-W ASE with a mintage of 30,000.
When? A week after issuance, or 10, 20 or 30 years later?
So far, the 1794 is ahead. By a lot. Unfortunately, I'm afraid most of us won't be around to see how it does long term. But the 1995-W didn't do anything for years after release as compared to the silver privy medal right out of the gate.
Again, this is all well and good. In either two weeks, you will have turned out to be right, or not. No need to reach for other examples that might or might not turn out to have been informative.
I think the PR70s among the 230 will go for far more than $20K each. Let alone $10K. You don't. We'll see soon enough. 1995-W ASEs are not going to enter into the equation, one way or the other.
@coiner said:
This was the KEY statement you missed:
1945 mintage popular coins sell for more than 230 mintage unpopular coins. This was already proven with the silver privy medal. Compare its price at 1794 mintage to a 1995-W ASE with a mintage of 30,000.
When? A week after issuance, or 10, 20 or 30 years later?
So far, the 1794 is ahead. By a lot. Unfortunately, I'm afraid most of us won't be around to see how it does long term. But the 1995-W didn't do anything for years after release as compared to the silver privy medal right out of the gate.
There's always conditions, aren't there? At least when you find it convenient.
You asked about US coins with mintages of 230. Did you mean us to use their price at release or their current price? By that logic, an SVDB cent is only about $1 and with less than a 2024 silver eagle.
The price of the 1995-W should be compared to the price of the privy on December 12th. It's ridiculous to time shift the price comparison by 30 years.
@coiner said:
This was the KEY statement you missed:
1945 mintage popular coins sell for more than 230 mintage unpopular coins. This was already proven with the silver privy medal. Compare its price at 1794 mintage to a 1995-W ASE with a mintage of 30,000.
When? A week after issuance, or 10, 20 or 30 years later?
So far, the 1794 is ahead. By a lot. Unfortunately, I'm afraid most of us won't be around to see how it does long term. But the 1995-W didn't do anything for years after release as compared to the silver privy medal right out of the gate.
There's always conditions, aren't there? At least when you find it convenient.
You asked about US coins with mintages of 230. Did you mean us to use their price at release or their current price? By that logic, an SVDB cent is only about $1 and with less than a 2024 silver eagle.
The price of the 1995-W should be compared to the price of the privy on December 12th. It's ridiculous to time shift the price comparison by 30 years.
If you say so. I say the 1995-W was no big deal when it was released. It took years to find its legs, rocket to the moon, and then fall back down to earth. The silver privys have been out for a month, and went up 30x+ right out of the box.
I'm not the one stretching to find unrelated items to make a point. That would be you and @coiner.
I happen to think 230 gold privys will be worth more than 1945 V75 AGEs on 12/12/24. You don't. We'll see, one way or the other.
"Conditions" on comparing 30 years old ASEs to this are irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is where these coins hammer on 12/12.
‘’Wondercoin - as a well known dealer in the Industry and in Moderns - im sure you have an opinion on how many 5 figure moderns you can sell easily and when the market gets saturated.......there isn't 5 or 10 or even 25 of these. There are 230.’’
Coiner: My apologies for not responding to your question sooner. I’ve been eating way too many Bavarian Soft pretzels with sweet mustard here in Munich this week!
Obviously, no one questions #1 is very interesting with the included dies. As for the others - what happens when, hypothetically, the Mint decides to produce 240 more privy coins for the 240th Anniversary and then 250 more privy coins for the 250th Anniversary. And so on! This reminds me of DH’s suggestion to “Have Fun With Your Coins”. If one has $15k laying around (give or take) and really wants to buy himself/herself one of these 230 coins for the holidays - I certainly won’t stop them. But, I am also not currently discussing with my mother buying a few of these for great future growth. Is anyone here recommending these other 229 privy coins to their mother? I’d be interested to hear about that.
Just my 2 cents
Wondercoin.
Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
@wondercoin said:
‘’Wondercoin - as a well known dealer in the Industry and in Moderns - im sure you have an opinion on how many 5 figure moderns you can sell easily and when the market gets saturated.......there isn't 5 or 10 or even 25 of these. There are 230.’’
Coiner: My apologies for not responding to your question sooner. I’ve been eating way too many Bavarian Soft pretzels with sweet mustard here in Munich this week!
Obviously, no one questions #1 is very interesting with the included dies. As for the others - what happens when, hypothetically, the Mint decides to produce 240 more privy coins for the 240th Anniversary and then 250 more privy coins for the 250th Anniversary. And so on! This reminds me of DH’s suggestion to “Have Fun With Your Coins”. If one has $15k laying around (give or take) and really wants to buy himself/herself one of these 230 coins for the holidays - I certainly won’t stop them. But, I am also not currently discussing with my mother buying a few of these for great future growth. Is anyone here recommending these other 229 privy coins to their mother? I’d be interested to hear about that.
Just my 2 cents
Wondercoin.
Not so much my mother, but maybe myself.
Do you really think they'll only be going for $15K each, given the results from the last auction (Dusk and Dawn), where the coins themselves were not special, and were bullion at that, but only the labels? And given where 1794 silver privys are trading, with and without signed COAs? And given where 1945 V75 AGEs trade?
I'm not asking where you think they'll be in 10 years, but where you think they'll be in two weeks. $15K? Really?
@coiner said:
This was the KEY statement you missed:
1945 mintage popular coins sell for more than 230 mintage unpopular coins. This was already proven with the silver privy medal. Compare its price at 1794 mintage to a 1995-W ASE with a mintage of 30,000.
When? A week after issuance, or 10, 20 or 30 years later?
So far, the 1794 is ahead. By a lot. Unfortunately, I'm afraid most of us won't be around to see how it does long term. But the 1995-W didn't do anything for years after release as compared to the silver privy medal right out of the gate.
There's always conditions, aren't there? At least when you find it convenient.
You asked about US coins with mintages of 230. Did you mean us to use their price at release or their current price? By that logic, an SVDB cent is only about $1 and with less than a 2024 silver eagle.
The price of the 1995-W should be compared to the price of the privy on December 12th. It's ridiculous to time shift the price comparison by 30 years.
If you say so. I say the 1995-W was no big deal when it was released. It took years to find its legs, rocket to the moon, and then fall back down to earth. The silver privys have been out for a month, and went up 30x+ right out of the box.
I'm not the one stretching to find unrelated items to make a point. That would be you and @coiner.
I happen to think 230 gold privys will be worth more than 1945 V75 AGEs on 12/12/24. You don't. We'll see, one way or the other.
"Conditions" on comparing 30 years old ASEs to this are irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is where these coins hammer on 12/12.
‘’If one has $15k laying around (give or take) and really wants to buy himself/herself one of these 230 coins for the holidays - I certainly won’t stop them’’
I gave the $15k “wiggle room”. If those “collectors” needed to spend closer to $20k to get their dream coin, we are still back to ‘’HAVE FUN WITH YOUR COIN”.
Wondercoin
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@jakeblue said:
Someone is anticipating a probable purchase and probable mark-up on eBay...Search
2024 230th Anniversary Flowing with "230" Privy Mark Gold $1 and Signed COA
🤣🤣🤣
$50K or best offer. For a 69.
Listings like that are just pointless. No coin in hand.
Probably no way to hold a bidder to a transaction, and it's just inconceivable that anyone clueless enough to have any interest at anything close to that price would also have the means to complete the transaction.
To the extent these are resold after the auction, it will likely not be on eBay. Too high a value for the risks inherent in eBay transactions for both buyers and sellers.
All that listing does is maybe give a little perspective to anyone here who thinks 69s have no chance to hit $10K with respect to the plans others have for the auction. Listing 5 at $50K or best offer indicates this person is likely to go far above $6-7K to acquire the 5, even if being able to sell them for $50K is a pipe dream.
@goldbuffalo said:
Instead of dealers making money on the lottery, looks like the auction house probably will be, making 10 or 20% per coin so they’re gonna be the winners. The mints gonna be the winner, whoever buy these probably not so much.
At $10,000 apiece and a $2000 premium times 230 will be $460,000 windfall for the auction house, or more.
Maybe the auction house should donate it to charity.
If there is a fee of course.
In addition to the Mint being a winner, the taxpayers will be winners.
@Goldbully said:
The First Spouse gold program was a total disaster.
This reminded me more of the Franklin Mint series where there were many pieces in a set you had to collect, and didn't have a connection to many of them.
For these new coins, they are going after classic designs that many collectors cherish.
@jakeblue said:
Someone is anticipating a probable purchase and probable mark-up on eBay...Search
2024 230th Anniversary Flowing with "230" Privy Mark Gold $1 and Signed COA
🤣🤣🤣
$50K or best offer. For a 69.
Listings like that are just pointless. No coin in hand.
Probably no way to hold a bidder to a transaction, and it's just inconceivable that anyone clueless enough to have any interest at anything close to that price would also have the means to complete the transaction.
To the extent these are resold after the auction, it will likely not be on eBay. Too high a value for the risks inherent in eBay transactions for both buyers and sellers.
All that listing does is maybe give a little perspective to anyone here who thinks 69s have no chance to hit $10K with respect to the plans others have for the auction. Listing 5 at $50K or best offer indicates this person is likely to go far above $6-7K to acquire the 5, even if being able to sell them for $50K is a pipe dream.
It gives zero perspective. That person will not bid $1 on the 12th unless they manage to sell one for $50k before the auction.
@jakeblue said:
Someone is anticipating a probable purchase and probable mark-up on eBay...Search
2024 230th Anniversary Flowing with "230" Privy Mark Gold $1 and Signed COA
🤣🤣🤣
$50K or best offer. For a 69.
Listings like that are just pointless. No coin in hand.
Probably no way to hold a bidder to a transaction, and it's just inconceivable that anyone clueless enough to have any interest at anything close to that price would also have the means to complete the transaction.
To the extent these are resold after the auction, it will likely not be on eBay. Too high a value for the risks inherent in eBay transactions for both buyers and sellers.
All that listing does is maybe give a little perspective to anyone here who thinks 69s have no chance to hit $10K with respect to the plans others have for the auction. Listing 5 at $50K or best offer indicates this person is likely to go far above $6-7K to acquire the 5, even if being able to sell them for $50K is a pipe dream.
It gives zero perspective. That person will not bid $1 on the 12th unless they manage to sell one for $50k before the auction.
🤦♂️
Perhaps. They are certainly not selling 69s for anywhere close to $50K. Plus, with eBay, selling anything at any price is no guarantee the seller will ever actually see the money. Which is why eBay will not be the appropriate venue to market these on. Other than the counterfeits that will inevitably appear once value is established.
That said, I'm not so sure that the fact that it's being floated gives zero perspective regarding people other than me disagreeing with you and @coiner with respect to value. I happen to think it's going to push you off your retail arbitrage on the 12th.
Like you, that person will bid until the air gets too thin for them. It will be well above the levels you and @coiner are targeting if they are testing the water at $50K. In fact, it will be high enough that there will not be an obvious flip for anyone other than large dealers with an established list of customers with a track record of overpaying for things like this.
You'll see. We are now one day closer to all being revealed. It won't be the first time so-called experts like you are shocked at how much people are willing to pay for some things.
@VanHalen said:
My uneducated estimate is none of these hammer under $15k.
That's around the number I have in my head for the generic 69s, so I wouldn't bet on that number precisely, since the actual number could be +/- a few hundred or thousand of exactly $15K.
But, generally speaking, yeah. People don't realize the Mint is not going to all this trouble or expense to move 230 units at 2-3x what they could easily sell 10-20K units for on its website and through ABPPs and bulk purchasers.
@coiner said:
69's will sell in the range of 7-9k.
Surely you're joking? It's all speculation at this point, and way above my pay-grade, but based on current market conditions anything under $10k would be a steal for the buyer.
@coiner said:
69's will sell in the range of 7-9k.
Surely you're joking? It's all speculation at this point, and way above my pay-grade, but based on current market conditions anything under $10k would be a steal for the buyer.
Not a steal. They will definitely LOSE money in the long run.
Look at an ENORMOUSLY POPULAR series of coins like thr American Gold Eagle Proofs. SO SO SO many more collectors and an ONGOING series.
2020-W V75 GOLD - Raw goes for $12k or so. In 69 - probably about the same or a little less. In 70 - somewhere in the $20k-$23k range. 1945 coins.
As someone said here 1945 coins in a popular series trumps 230 coins in a one time commemorative offering.
Sorry guys - bids above $15k for these things in 70 is a LOSING PROPOSITION. I wouldnt pay more than $7k for 69 (I wouldnt even be in the market for a 69 anyway)
@coiner said:
69's will sell in the range of 7-9k.
Surely you're joking? It's all speculation at this point, and way above my pay-grade, but based on current market conditions anything under $10k would be a steal for the buyer.
Not a steal. They will definitely LOSE money in the long run.
Look at an ENORMOUSLY POPULAR series of coins like thr American Gold Eagle Proofs. SO SO SO many more collectors and an ONGOING series.
2020-W V75 GOLD - Raw goes for $12k or so. In 69 - probably about the same or a little less. In 70 - somewhere in the $20k-$23k range. 1945 coins.
As someone said here 1945 coins in a popular series trumps 230 coins in a one time commemorative offering.
Sorry guys - bids above $15k for these things in 70 is a LOSING PROPOSITION. I wouldnt pay more than $7k for 69 (I wouldnt even be in the market for a 69 anyway)
Which is fine. You are going to learn in two weeks that these were never meant for you.
"Someone said here 1945 coins in a popular series trumps 230 coins in a one time commemorative offering." And "someone" is going to be saying on December 12th that it appears that they were wrong.
Or making an excuse regarding who was bidding and why, and claiming they will never hold their value. I can't wait to see what YOU have to say. You aren't going to be close here, and it's kind of amazing that you can't see it yet.
This might be a "one time commemorative offering," but you are acting like it's a Harriet Tubman coin, as opposed to what it is. A gold tribute to the nation's first dollar coin that the Mint sold 10K units of in 4 minutes.
This is the 230 unit special edition. 1794 silver privy medals sell for over $3K. In silver. As a medal. Without a signed numbered COA. Without a corresponding coin number on a slab. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here. $7-9K. 🤣🤣🤣
@coiner said:
69's will sell in the range of 7-9k.
Surely you're joking? It's all speculation at this point, and way above my pay-grade, but based on current market conditions anything under $10k would be a steal for the buyer.
Not a steal. They will definitely LOSE money in the long run.
Look at an ENORMOUSLY POPULAR series of coins like thr American Gold Eagle Proofs. SO SO SO many more collectors and an ONGOING series.
2020-W V75 GOLD - Raw goes for $12k or so. In 69 - probably about the same or a little less. In 70 - somewhere in the $20k-$23k range. 1945 coins.
As someone said here 1945 coins in a popular series trumps 230 coins in a one time commemorative offering.
Sorry guys - bids above $15k for these things in 70 is a LOSING PROPOSITION. I wouldnt pay more than $7k for 69 (I wouldnt even be in the market for a 69 anyway)
Which is fine. You are going to learn in two weeks that these were never meant for you.
"Someone said here 1945 coins in a popular series trumps 230 coins in a one time commemorative offering." And "someone" is going to be saying on December 12th that it appears that they were wrong.
Or making an excuse regarding who was bidding and why, and claiming they will never hold their value. I can't wait to see what YOU have to say. You aren't going to be close here, and it's kind of amazing that you can't see it yet.
This might be a "one time commemorative offering," but you are acting like it's a Harriet Tubman coin, as opposed to what it is. A gold tribute to the nation's first dollar coin that the Mint sold 10K units of in 4 minutes.
This is the 230 unit special edition. 1794 silver privy medals sell for over $3K. In silver. As a medal. Without a signed numbered COA. Without a corresponding coin number on a slab. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here. $7-9K. 🤣🤣🤣
@coiner said:
69's will sell in the range of 7-9k.
Surely you're joking? It's all speculation at this point, and way above my pay-grade, but based on current market conditions anything under $10k would be a steal for the buyer.
Not a steal. They will definitely LOSE money in the long run.
Look at an ENORMOUSLY POPULAR series of coins like thr American Gold Eagle Proofs. SO SO SO many more collectors and an ONGOING series.
2020-W V75 GOLD - Raw goes for $12k or so. In 69 - probably about the same or a little less. In 70 - somewhere in the $20k-$23k range. 1945 coins.
As someone said here 1945 coins in a popular series trumps 230 coins in a one time commemorative offering.
Sorry guys - bids above $15k for these things in 70 is a LOSING PROPOSITION. I wouldnt pay more than $7k for 69 (I wouldnt even be in the market for a 69 anyway)
Which is fine. You are going to learn in two weeks that these were never meant for you.
"Someone said here 1945 coins in a popular series trumps 230 coins in a one time commemorative offering." And "someone" is going to be saying on December 12th that it appears that they were wrong.
Or making an excuse regarding who was bidding and why, and claiming they will never hold their value. I can't wait to see what YOU have to say. You aren't going to be close here, and it's kind of amazing that you can't see it yet.
This might be a "one time commemorative offering," but you are acting like it's a Harriet Tubman coin, as opposed to what it is. A gold tribute to the nation's first dollar coin that the Mint sold 10K units of in 4 minutes.
This is the 230 unit special edition. 1794 silver privy medals sell for over $3K. In silver. As a medal. Without a signed numbered COA. Without a corresponding coin number on a slab. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here. $7-9K. 🤣🤣🤣
I bet that @coiner and everyone else paying attention to this thread already know your opinion of these coins. You’ve posted more than 30 times between Friday and now - and that’s just to this one thread on the topic.
What’s the point in continuing to repeat yourself? If you answer, please only do so once.😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@coiner said:
69's will sell in the range of 7-9k.
Surely you're joking? It's all speculation at this point, and way above my pay-grade, but based on current market conditions anything under $10k would be a steal for the buyer.
Not a steal. They will definitely LOSE money in the long run.
Look at an ENORMOUSLY POPULAR series of coins like thr American Gold Eagle Proofs. SO SO SO many more collectors and an ONGOING series.
2020-W V75 GOLD - Raw goes for $12k or so. In 69 - probably about the same or a little less. In 70 - somewhere in the $20k-$23k range. 1945 coins.
As someone said here 1945 coins in a popular series trumps 230 coins in a one time commemorative offering.
Sorry guys - bids above $15k for these things in 70 is a LOSING PROPOSITION. I wouldnt pay more than $7k for 69 (I wouldnt even be in the market for a 69 anyway)
Which is fine. You are going to learn in two weeks that these were never meant for you.
"Someone said here 1945 coins in a popular series trumps 230 coins in a one time commemorative offering." And "someone" is going to be saying on December 12th that it appears that they were wrong.
Or making an excuse regarding who was bidding and why, and claiming they will never hold their value. I can't wait to see what YOU have to say. You aren't going to be close here, and it's kind of amazing that you can't see it yet.
This might be a "one time commemorative offering," but you are acting like it's a Harriet Tubman coin, as opposed to what it is. A gold tribute to the nation's first dollar coin that the Mint sold 10K units of in 4 minutes.
This is the 230 unit special edition. 1794 silver privy medals sell for over $3K. In silver. As a medal. Without a signed numbered COA. Without a corresponding coin number on a slab. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here. $7-9K. 🤣🤣🤣
@coiner said:
69's will sell in the range of 7-9k.
Surely you're joking? It's all speculation at this point, and way above my pay-grade, but based on current market conditions anything under $10k would be a steal for the buyer.
Not a steal. They will definitely LOSE money in the long run.
Look at an ENORMOUSLY POPULAR series of coins like thr American Gold Eagle Proofs. SO SO SO many more collectors and an ONGOING series.
2020-W V75 GOLD - Raw goes for $12k or so. In 69 - probably about the same or a little less. In 70 - somewhere in the $20k-$23k range. 1945 coins.
As someone said here 1945 coins in a popular series trumps 230 coins in a one time commemorative offering.
Sorry guys - bids above $15k for these things in 70 is a LOSING PROPOSITION. I wouldnt pay more than $7k for 69 (I wouldnt even be in the market for a 69 anyway)
Which is fine. You are going to learn in two weeks that these were never meant for you.
"Someone said here 1945 coins in a popular series trumps 230 coins in a one time commemorative offering." And "someone" is going to be saying on December 12th that it appears that they were wrong.
Or making an excuse regarding who was bidding and why, and claiming they will never hold their value. I can't wait to see what YOU have to say. You aren't going to be close here, and it's kind of amazing that you can't see it yet.
This might be a "one time commemorative offering," but you are acting like it's a Harriet Tubman coin, as opposed to what it is. A gold tribute to the nation's first dollar coin that the Mint sold 10K units of in 4 minutes.
This is the 230 unit special edition. 1794 silver privy medals sell for over $3K. In silver. As a medal. Without a signed numbered COA. Without a corresponding coin number on a slab. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here. $7-9K. 🤣🤣🤣
I bet that @coiner and everyone else paying attention to this thread already know your opinion of these coins. You’ve posted more than 30 times between Friday and now - and that’s just to this one thread on the topic.
What’s the point in continuing to repeat yourself? If you answer, please only do so once.😉
I'm sure you are correct, but @coiner also has more than his fair share of posts on the topic. Including 8 posts on this one page (#25) to my 12 posts, not counting this one.
I'll pick and choose when I respond, but reserve the right to do so each and every time someone posts. They are not always going to get the last word, and I'm not the only one saying the same thing over and over.
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There are many Proof Only Issues in different series in the mid 1800's that have mintages in the 300-700 range and much less pieces existing that are 3,000 bucks or less.
One thing I do know - is you probably arent even a bidder but contunue to shoot off about how these will be the next great thing since sliced bread. You have no idea of what your talking about ---period.
Like I said folks - buried at $15k. Be prepared to lose on resale if you are bidding $15k or higher on these.
I give up - youre like talking to a 10 year old at the school yard well over a half century ago.
Good luck all. If you so choose to pay more for one - more power to you and enjoy your purchase.
One of us certainly has no idea what they are talking about. TBD.
As I said before, if it turns out to be you, I just hope you are as quick to take your lumps as you were to dish them out to me. And, this time, there isn't going to be any funny business involving product limits. Just shock, one way or the other, regarding where these hammer.
Not the next great thing since sliced bread. Just the next great thing since 1794 silver medals with privys and 230 signed numbered COAs. This time in the form of gold, monetized coins, with the mintage limited to 230, 1/8th the level of the silver medals.
Hard to see how they could go for a multiple of what the silver versions fetched on eBay shortly after release. Buried. I can't wait for your mea culpa. 🤣
Don't forget the numerous pattern coins with sub 100 mintages that cost less than 10k... often much less.
12 known. Under $4000.
Not counting patterns. Sorry.
Likely unique. $9000
So what? In this case, 230 examples will each sell for more than $9K.
I clearly made a mistake by opening the door to this by asking the question. Digging back in history to find examples of low mintage items with a very limited market is not going to inform where these sell.
Other not quite unique nickels sell for millions, so what is your point? That these won't crack $15K because that nickel sold for $9K? Or that rare, unwanted varieties sell for peanuts, so this is garbage?
You already made my point. The question you asked was flawed and provides no price guidance.
Unfortunately, i had to prove it to you.
1945 mintage popular coins sell for more than 230 mintage unpopular coins. This was already proven with the silver privy medal. Compare its price at 1794 mintage to a 1995-W ASE with a mintage of 30,000.
I’ve owned multiple gold coins with less than 200 known for under $1000 price range.
What denominations?
I never said they won't crack $15k. I said i don't expect them to. You were at 20k to 50k.
$2 1/2 liberties. For example, 1862 has less than 140 estimated left. One sold last year xf40 for $660.
Thanks for educating me on that early gold rarity.
Back to the #1 struck FH Gold w/Privy.
No movement in the bid since November 24th.
Appears the current bidders are strengthening their hands as others pick away at the close hanging fruit.
I truly prefer and appreciate these coins in a slab. I will keep my original from the Mint and hope sometime down the road to have a 69 or 70. Probably not of the 230, though.
Their appearance is breathtaking and much preferred to the silver. For those of you that haven’t seen one live yet, you will understand Once you fill the heat!
For those that have one or more already, feel a bit lucky, feel blessed and feel privileged.
Won't. Don't expect them to. Is there really a difference? What is the meaning of the word "is"? And I'm still at $20-50K.
If you turn out to be wrong, you aren't going to get to say you weren't wrong, because you didn't say "won't," but only said "don't expect." At least not with me.
And for those who don't have one, be ready when the other 7,500 go on sale. Unless the mint sells them all to the big boys or comes up with some ridiculously priced gimmick.
Hoping for a Christmas two gold coin and silver medal set.
Fair enough. But, based on 10K selling out in 4 minutes, these really don't compare to a Judd-583, so you actually proved nothing.
Doesn't matter. We'll all see, one way or the other, in less than two weeks. No need to reach back to 1867 to try to prove anything.
I hand never ruled out higher numbers. Unlike you, I don't claim to know the future. I expect them to be in the 10kn range, as I've said. I haven't ever said that higher numbers aren't possible. You have openly mocked people for suggesting that they won't get above 10k or so.
There is a significant difference between "won't " and "don't expect". I don't expect Kansas City to win the super bowl leaves open the possible. Kansas City won't win the super bowl excludes the possibility.
This was the KEY statement you missed:
1945 mintage popular coins sell for more than 230 mintage unpopular coins. This was already proven with the silver privy medal. Compare its price at 1794 mintage to a 1995-W ASE with a mintage of 30,000.
A "once and done" commem will not outperform the 2020-w v75 GOLD in 70.
it wont even get 1/2 as much. Gold V75 in 70 FS holders go for about 20-22k
When? A week after issuance, or 10, 20 or 30 years later?
So far, the 1794 is ahead. By a lot. Unfortunately, I'm afraid most of us won't be around to see how it does long term. But the 1995-W didn't do anything for years after release as compared to the silver privy medal right out of the gate.
Again, this is all well and good. In either two weeks, you will have turned out to be right, or not. No need to reach for other examples that might or might not turn out to have been informative.
I think the PR70s among the 230 will go for far more than $20K each. Let alone $10K. You don't. We'll see soon enough. 1995-W ASEs are not going to enter into the equation, one way or the other.
There's always conditions, aren't there? At least when you find it convenient.
You asked about US coins with mintages of 230. Did you mean us to use their price at release or their current price? By that logic, an SVDB cent is only about $1 and with less than a 2024 silver eagle.
The price of the 1995-W should be compared to the price of the privy on December 12th. It's ridiculous to time shift the price comparison by 30 years.
I'm not so confident. I would bet on well under 10k five or ten years from now. I'm not sure that current hype couldn't push the price above 10k.
If you say so. I say the 1995-W was no big deal when it was released. It took years to find its legs, rocket to the moon, and then fall back down to earth. The silver privys have been out for a month, and went up 30x+ right out of the box.
I'm not the one stretching to find unrelated items to make a point. That would be you and @coiner.
I happen to think 230 gold privys will be worth more than 1945 V75 AGEs on 12/12/24. You don't. We'll see, one way or the other.
"Conditions" on comparing 30 years old ASEs to this are irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is where these coins hammer on 12/12.
‘’Wondercoin - as a well known dealer in the Industry and in Moderns - im sure you have an opinion on how many 5 figure moderns you can sell easily and when the market gets saturated.......there isn't 5 or 10 or even 25 of these. There are 230.’’
Coiner: My apologies for not responding to your question sooner. I’ve been eating way too many Bavarian Soft pretzels with sweet mustard here in Munich this week!
Obviously, no one questions #1 is very interesting with the included dies. As for the others - what happens when, hypothetically, the Mint decides to produce 240 more privy coins for the 240th Anniversary and then 250 more privy coins for the 250th Anniversary. And so on! This reminds me of DH’s suggestion to “Have Fun With Your Coins”. If one has $15k laying around (give or take) and really wants to buy himself/herself one of these 230 coins for the holidays - I certainly won’t stop them. But, I am also not currently discussing with my mother buying a few of these for great future growth. Is anyone here recommending these other 229 privy coins to their mother? I’d be interested to hear about that.
Just my 2 cents
Wondercoin.
Not so much my mother, but maybe myself.
Do you really think they'll only be going for $15K each, given the results from the last auction (Dusk and Dawn), where the coins themselves were not special, and were bullion at that, but only the labels? And given where 1794 silver privys are trading, with and without signed COAs? And given where 1945 V75 AGEs trade?
I'm not asking where you think they'll be in 10 years, but where you think they'll be in two weeks. $15K? Really?
That was MY point.
I'm done.
‘’If one has $15k laying around (give or take) and really wants to buy himself/herself one of these 230 coins for the holidays - I certainly won’t stop them’’
I gave the $15k “wiggle room”. If those “collectors” needed to spend closer to $20k to get their dream coin, we are still back to ‘’HAVE FUN WITH YOUR COIN”.
Wondercoin
Someone is anticipating a probable purchase and probable mark-up on eBay...Search
2024 230th Anniversary Flowing with "230" Privy Mark Gold $1 and Signed COA
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$50K or best offer. For a 69.
Listings like that are just pointless. No coin in hand.
Probably no way to hold a bidder to a transaction, and it's just inconceivable that anyone clueless enough to have any interest at anything close to that price would also have the means to complete the transaction.
To the extent these are resold after the auction, it will likely not be on eBay. Too high a value for the risks inherent in eBay transactions for both buyers and sellers.
All that listing does is maybe give a little perspective to anyone here who thinks 69s have no chance to hit $10K with respect to the plans others have for the auction. Listing 5 at $50K or best offer indicates this person is likely to go far above $6-7K to acquire the 5, even if being able to sell them for $50K is a pipe dream.
In addition to the Mint being a winner, the taxpayers will be winners.
This reminded me more of the Franklin Mint series where there were many pieces in a set you had to collect, and didn't have a connection to many of them.
For these new coins, they are going after classic designs that many collectors cherish.
Looks like really incredible craftsmanship. Love the effort they are putting in to the quality of these coins.
It gives zero perspective. That person will not bid $1 on the 12th unless they manage to sell one for $50k before the auction.
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Perhaps. They are certainly not selling 69s for anywhere close to $50K. Plus, with eBay, selling anything at any price is no guarantee the seller will ever actually see the money. Which is why eBay will not be the appropriate venue to market these on. Other than the counterfeits that will inevitably appear once value is established.
That said, I'm not so sure that the fact that it's being floated gives zero perspective regarding people other than me disagreeing with you and @coiner with respect to value. I happen to think it's going to push you off your retail arbitrage on the 12th.
Like you, that person will bid until the air gets too thin for them. It will be well above the levels you and @coiner are targeting if they are testing the water at $50K. In fact, it will be high enough that there will not be an obvious flip for anyone other than large dealers with an established list of customers with a track record of overpaying for things like this.
You'll see. We are now one day closer to all being revealed. It won't be the first time so-called experts like you are shocked at how much people are willing to pay for some things.
My uneducated estimate is none of these hammer under $15k.
That's around the number I have in my head for the generic 69s, so I wouldn't bet on that number precisely, since the actual number could be +/- a few hundred or thousand of exactly $15K.
But, generally speaking, yeah. People don't realize the Mint is not going to all this trouble or expense to move 230 units at 2-3x what they could easily sell 10-20K units for on its website and through ABPPs and bulk purchasers.
No one is paying $15k for a 69. Basically, a RAW would sell better.
69's will sell in the range of 7-9k.
#2 and #8 are at $13k last time I posted them.
Surely you're joking? It's all speculation at this point, and way above my pay-grade, but based on current market conditions anything under $10k would be a steal for the buyer.
The next step would be for the Mint to work with TPGs during striking so they are all 70s when sold, and others are culled.
You have to eliminate low numbers, fancy numbers, etc.
I am saying if you bought an ORDINARY numbered 69 - lets say #202 or #196 - they ain't gonna go for 10k.
a 69 is basically a RAW coin at a cheaper price.
Not a steal. They will definitely LOSE money in the long run.
Look at an ENORMOUSLY POPULAR series of coins like thr American Gold Eagle Proofs. SO SO SO many more collectors and an ONGOING series.
2020-W V75 GOLD - Raw goes for $12k or so. In 69 - probably about the same or a little less. In 70 - somewhere in the $20k-$23k range. 1945 coins.
As someone said here 1945 coins in a popular series trumps 230 coins in a one time commemorative offering.
Sorry guys - bids above $15k for these things in 70 is a LOSING PROPOSITION. I wouldnt pay more than $7k for 69 (I wouldnt even be in the market for a 69 anyway)
Which is fine. You are going to learn in two weeks that these were never meant for you.
"Someone said here 1945 coins in a popular series trumps 230 coins in a one time commemorative offering." And "someone" is going to be saying on December 12th that it appears that they were wrong.
Or making an excuse regarding who was bidding and why, and claiming they will never hold their value. I can't wait to see what YOU have to say. You aren't going to be close here, and it's kind of amazing that you can't see it yet.
This might be a "one time commemorative offering," but you are acting like it's a Harriet Tubman coin, as opposed to what it is. A gold tribute to the nation's first dollar coin that the Mint sold 10K units of in 4 minutes.
This is the 230 unit special edition. 1794 silver privy medals sell for over $3K. In silver. As a medal. Without a signed numbered COA. Without a corresponding coin number on a slab. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here. $7-9K. 🤣🤣🤣
I bet that @coiner and everyone else paying attention to this thread already know your opinion of these coins. You’ve posted more than 30 times between Friday and now - and that’s just to this one thread on the topic.
What’s the point in continuing to repeat yourself? If you answer, please only do so once.😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I'm sure you are correct, but @coiner also has more than his fair share of posts on the topic. Including 8 posts on this one page (#25) to my 12 posts, not counting this one.
I'll pick and choose when I respond, but reserve the right to do so each and every time someone posts. They are not always going to get the last word, and I'm not the only one saying the same thing over and over.