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  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭

    @PaulMaul said:
    @Yankees70

    You sound like you’re back in 2022. Can’t you at least acknowledge that the league’s popularity has increased substantially in the last couple of years? While it is primarily due to Clark, the overall level of engagement is an order of magnitude higher. Comparing the all-star voting from 2023 and 2024 says it all…

    The league lost millions this year. When it shows a profit we can continue this discussion.

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We get it, you work in a coal mine, lift heavy stuff, dont wash your hands and pick your teeth with bullets.

    This was my favorite remark in the thread. Thank you for this.

  • Ew. College football. :p

    Gobble.

  • pdoidoipdoidoi Posts: 652 ✭✭✭✭

    @Yankees70 said:

    @PatriotTrading said:

    @Yankees70 said:

    @PatriotTrading said:
    NIelsen ratings came out. Caitlan Clark's final game of the 2024 season:

    2.5 million viewers on cable TV
    3.4 million peaked

    Only behind the first WNBA game ever. She's breaking records.

    She's popular and arguably the most popular athlete in the world news-wise not named Ohtani. Definiltey the most popluar female athlete in the world right now.

    None of what you just said has anything to do what I said. The league lost millions once again this year and I still have never met in person anyone that watches this league. Maybe things will change next season or the season after but for the reasons I mentioned it probably won't.

    You're losing it man. This thread is about Caitlan Clark and you come in here with your machismo attitude about the WNBA losing millions. No sh*t. Its nothing new. Nobody cares. We're talking about a generational talent in Caitlan Clark and card values.

    Count the number of comments in this thread and tell me how many were about her card value. I'm not losing it. I'm actually laughing my ass off when I read some of your comments.

    If you read the comments you were one of the first to get off the subject of the card and to keep if off the subject of the card

  • On topic, my nephew contacted me in January of this year to ask the whereabouts on a high value Caitlin Clark Bowman Rookie when few were actually available compared to now. He probably parlayed his finds into better acquisitions and now I feel like I should be asking him for advice. Bravo to those who saw the opportunity before it's too late. ;)

    Gobble.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭

    @bgr said:

    We get it, you work in a coal mine, lift heavy stuff, dont wash your hands and pick your teeth with bullets.

    This was my favorite remark in the thread. Thank you for this.

    Attacking the messenger does not mean my argument is incorrect. I work for Law Enforcement and have a wife and three daughters. I'm just a regular guy . Once again the league loses millions every year and that will not change. If the NBA ever decides to stop funding it the league will go under. All facts not opinions.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭

    @pdoidoi said:

    @Yankees70 said:

    @PatriotTrading said:

    @Yankees70 said:

    @PatriotTrading said:
    NIelsen ratings came out. Caitlan Clark's final game of the 2024 season:

    2.5 million viewers on cable TV
    3.4 million peaked

    Only behind the first WNBA game ever. She's breaking records.

    She's popular and arguably the most popular athlete in the world news-wise not named Ohtani. Definiltey the most popluar female athlete in the world right now.

    None of what you just said has anything to do what I said. The league lost millions once again this year and I still have never met in person anyone that watches this league. Maybe things will change next season or the season after but for the reasons I mentioned it probably won't.

    You're losing it man. This thread is about Caitlan Clark and you come in here with your machismo attitude about the WNBA losing millions. No sh*t. Its nothing new. Nobody cares. We're talking about a generational talent in Caitlan Clark and card values.

    Count the number of comments in this thread and tell me how many were about her card value. I'm not losing it. I'm actually laughing my ass off when I read some of your comments.

    If you read the comments you were one of the first to get off the subject of the card and to keep if off the subject of the card

    Correct and that would have been it but there were ample responses. If you enjoy watching it that's great. All I did was bring up facts about the league.

  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Yankees70 said:

    @bgr said:

    We get it, you work in a coal mine, lift heavy stuff, dont wash your hands and pick your teeth with bullets.

    This was my favorite remark in the thread. Thank you for this.

    Attacking the messenger does not mean my argument is incorrect. I work for Law Enforcement and have a wife and three daughters. I'm just a regular guy . Once again the league loses millions every year and that will not change. If the NBA ever decides to stop funding it the league will go under. All facts not opinions.

    Predictions about the future aren’t facts.

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Yankees70 said:

    @bgr said:

    We get it, you work in a coal mine, lift heavy stuff, dont wash your hands and pick your teeth with bullets.

    This was my favorite remark in the thread. Thank you for this.

    Attacking the messenger does not mean my argument is incorrect. I work for Law Enforcement and have a wife and three daughters. I'm just a regular guy . Once again the league loses millions every year and that will not change. If the NBA ever decides to stop funding it the league will go under. All facts not opinions.

    I don’t really have a strong opinion on this discussion. It just kind of is what it is for me. I just thought it was a funny remark.

    As far as the subsidy you’re correct. There would be no WNBA without subsidy and support from the NBA. But. That’s not uncommon in the history of sports.

    I just thought it was a witty remark.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭

    @PaulMaul said:

    @Yankees70 said:

    @bgr said:

    We get it, you work in a coal mine, lift heavy stuff, dont wash your hands and pick your teeth with bullets.

    This was my favorite remark in the thread. Thank you for this.

    Attacking the messenger does not mean my argument is incorrect. I work for Law Enforcement and have a wife and three daughters. I'm just a regular guy . Once again the league loses millions every year and that will not change. If the NBA ever decides to stop funding it the league will go under. All facts not opinions.

    Predictions about the future aren’t facts.

    Predictions for the life of the league are spot on. I would be happy to bet anyone any amount of money up to 10K that the league does not show a profit next year or the year after or the year after. Or instead of money we can bet sports cards. I'm willing to back up my comments with money. Is anyone else?

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭

    @bgr said:

    @Yankees70 said:

    @bgr said:

    We get it, you work in a coal mine, lift heavy stuff, dont wash your hands and pick your teeth with bullets.

    This was my favorite remark in the thread. Thank you for this.

    Attacking the messenger does not mean my argument is incorrect. I work for Law Enforcement and have a wife and three daughters. I'm just a regular guy . Once again the league loses millions every year and that will not change. If the NBA ever decides to stop funding it the league will go under. All facts not opinions.

    I don’t really have a strong opinion on this discussion. It just kind of is what it is for me. I just thought it was a funny remark.

    As far as the subsidy you’re correct. There would be no WNBA without subsidy and support from the NBA. But. That’s not uncommon in the history of sports.

    I just thought it was a witty remark.

    No problem. The comment was pretty good.

    The WNBA has been playing for 27 years. This is not a new league. How many more years before people admit the league is a complete joke and will never be a sport that the majority of sports fans care about.

  • tunahead08tunahead08 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭

    I'm so glad this site has an ignore user feature.

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tunahead08 said:
    I'm so glad this site has an ignore user feature.

    Sweet flex. Please add me to yours.

  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 28, 2024 11:44AM

    @Yankees70 said:

    @PaulMaul said:

    @Yankees70 said:

    @bgr said:

    We get it, you work in a coal mine, lift heavy stuff, dont wash your hands and pick your teeth with bullets.

    This was my favorite remark in the thread. Thank you for this.

    Attacking the messenger does not mean my argument is incorrect. I work for Law Enforcement and have a wife and three daughters. I'm just a regular guy . Once again the league loses millions every year and that will not change. If the NBA ever decides to stop funding it the league will go under. All facts not opinions.

    Predictions about the future aren’t facts.

    Predictions for the life of the league are spot on. I would be happy to bet anyone any amount of money up to 10K that the league does not show a profit next year or the year after or the year after. Or instead of money we can bet sports cards. I'm willing to back up my comments with money. Is anyone else?

    Here are some facts:

    1.) Interest in the league (again, mostly Clark, but there are other players coming in over the next two years who will also have significant followings) is clearly on the upswing in the last two years (based on attendance, TV ratings, merch sales, etc.)

    2.) This new interest is driving a significantly increased media rights deal.

    Obviously, profitability will not happen overnight, but it is hardly a fact that it won’t ever happen going forward based on current trends and metrics.

    On the flip side, the league and the majority of its players are their own worst enemy, and seem determined to do everything possible to undermine this newfound success. So we’ll have to see.

  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Yankees70 said:

    @Tabe said:
    All of that to not even be able to refute what I said.

    FWIW, I don't watch the WNBA. I'll be watching college football as well.

    I did many times. The league lost millions once again this year.

    And that somehow refutes that the WNBA is in their playoffs now?

  • @ElMagoStrikeZone said:
    On topic, my nephew contacted me in January of this year to ask the whereabouts on a high value Caitlin Clark Bowman Rookie when few were actually available compared to now. He probably parlayed his finds into better acquisitions and now I feel like I should be asking him for advice. Bravo to those who saw the opportunity before it's too late. ;)

    It's silly that Panini barely has any WNBA releases. Select will be out next month and I'm sure it'll be big. Prizm though, that'll be huge. There is some growth in females collecting in the hobby. I'd guess some are crossing over from TCG but with female YT creators, it'll grow even more. I understand many are in it for the money but some are in it for other reasons too. Another sport that is growing immensely is girls/womens wrestling. There is no pro level but there is still worlds and the Olympics.

  • Cailtan Clark is a generational player(See Iowa Stats). The growth of the WNBA this last year has been immense because of her(See home and road ticket sales). Caitlan Clark had one of the greatest rookie seasons of all-time(See Unanimous ROY, 1st team WNBA). Caitaln Clark is a great role model for young athletes. Panini Select and Panini Prizm wil be big releases because of CC as long as they dont let the presses roll. Her Prizm Nebula 1/1 or Black 1/1 could sell for 6-figures.

  • The Women's Basketball Olympic Commitee messed up for not including CC on the team. Though it benefitted CC by alllowing her rest, she still could've rode the bench. I would've like to see a passing the torch moment with Taurasi but egos and other personal reasons seemed to get in the way. The World Team is next up though.

  • 80sOPC80sOPC Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Early cycle private ventures can take years to get to profitability. So the fact they are not profitable today means very little when you consider the growth rate, which is exponential.

    NBA was a failed league, NHL was a failed league, TSLA took ten years to profit. With respect I’m thinking you may be out of your league when it comes to commenting on private sector business cycles. I’d bet everything I own WNBA investors are giddy with where the league is headed, no matter what the boys at the 35th are watching.

    @Yankees70 said:

    @bgr said:

    Attacking the messenger does not mean my argument is incorrect. I work for Law Enforcement and have a wife and three daughters. I'm just a regular guy . Once again the league loses millions every year and that will not change. If the NBA ever decides to stop funding it the league will go under. All facts not opinions.

  • 80sOPC80sOPC Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 29, 2024 3:38PM

    Also, the NBA only loses 15mm per on the WNBA. The idea that if they pulled that 15 milly the league would fold is asinine. With the current trajectory there would be endless investors to step in and cover the gap.

    And fwiw I have no interest in the league, whatsoever, but business is business, and this one trending the right way. You’d be insane to bet 10k that a league which has doubled revenue over the past 5 , won’t make profit in 1-3 years. I’d take that as an escrow bet but neither you are I can get audited financials so its a non starter.

    Lastly, no one watches Lacrosse and that sport kicks ass.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭

    @tunahead08 said:
    I'm so glad this site has an ignore user feature.

    When my dad died his last words to my brother and I was to NEVER put anyone on ignore. Doing so is a huge sign of weakness. Do you think Clint Eastwood or John Wayne would do it? No chance.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭

    @PaulMaul said:

    @Yankees70 said:

    @PaulMaul said:

    @Yankees70 said:

    @bgr said:

    We get it, you work in a coal mine, lift heavy stuff, dont wash your hands and pick your teeth with bullets.

    This was my favorite remark in the thread. Thank you for this.

    Attacking the messenger does not mean my argument is incorrect. I work for Law Enforcement and have a wife and three daughters. I'm just a regular guy . Once again the league loses millions every year and that will not change. If the NBA ever decides to stop funding it the league will go under. All facts not opinions.

    Predictions about the future aren’t facts.

    Predictions for the life of the league are spot on. I would be happy to bet anyone any amount of money up to 10K that the league does not show a profit next year or the year after or the year after. Or instead of money we can bet sports cards. I'm willing to back up my comments with money. Is anyone else?

    Here are some facts:

    1.) Interest in the league (again, mostly Clark, but there are other players coming in over the next two years who will also have significant followings) is clearly on the upswing in the last two years (based on attendance, TV ratings, merch sales, etc.)

    2.) This new interest is driving a significantly increased media rights deal.

    Obviously, profitability will not happen overnight, but it is hardly a fact that it won’t ever happen going forward based on current trends and metrics.

    On the flip side, the league and the majority of its players are their own worst enemy, and seem determined to do everything possible to undermine this newfound success. So we’ll have to see.

    So are willing to bet me? Let's see how confident you are about your comments.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭

    @80sOPC said:
    Early cycle private ventures can take years to get to profitability. So the fact they are not profitable today means very little when you consider the growth rate, which is exponential.

    NBA was a failed league, NHL was a failed league, TSLA took ten years to profit. With respect I’m thinking you may be out of your league when it comes to commenting on private sector business cycles. I’d bet everything I own WNBA investors are giddy with where the league is headed, no matter what the boys at the 35th are watching.

    @Yankees70 said:

    @bgr said:

    Attacking the messenger does not mean my argument is incorrect. I work for Law Enforcement and have a wife and three daughters. I'm just a regular guy . Once again the league loses millions every year and that will not change. If the NBA ever decides to stop funding it the league will go under. All facts not opinions.

    LOL are you comparing the WNBA to the NHL and the NBA? You have done it I can't take this insanity anymore. The WNBA lost millions for 27 consecutive seasons and they will continue to lose millions for many more years. Lots of you guys are denying common sense and data. If you like the league that's great but denying the reasons why men and women have zero interest in the league is asinine. You will have to change human nature for the league to be successful. It will NEVER happen.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭
    edited September 29, 2024 5:22PM

    @80sOPC said:
    Also, the NBA only loses 15mm per on the WNBA. The idea that if they pulled that 15 milly the league would fold is asinine. With the current trajectory there would be endless investors to step in and cover the gap.

    And fwiw I have no interest in the league, whatsoever, but business is business, and this one trending the right way. You’d be insane to bet 10k that a league which has doubled revenue over the past 5 , won’t make profit in 1-3 years. I’d take that as an escrow bet but neither you are I can get audited financials so its a non starter.

    Lastly, no one watches Lacrosse and that sport kicks ass.

    @80sOPC said:
    Also, the NBA only loses 15mm per on the WNBA. The idea that if they pulled that 15 milly the league would fold is asinine. With the current trajectory there would be endless investors to step in and cover the gap.

    And fwiw I have no interest in the league, whatsoever, but business is business, and this one trending the right way. You’d be insane to bet 10k that a league which has doubled revenue over the past 5 , won’t make profit in 1-3 years. I’d take that as an escrow bet but neither you are I can get audited financials so its a non starter.

    Lastly, no one watches Lacrosse and that sport kicks ass.

    Yes its a good sport and a sport I played up until I was 55 but like you said a professional league would be a huge money loser just like the WNBA is. The only difference is dudes who like Lacrosse would not be upset that someone correctly pointed out that the league is not popular and loses money.

  • pdoidoipdoidoi Posts: 652 ✭✭✭✭

    I thought this was about a card.

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 29, 2024 7:16PM

    @Yankees70 said:

    Predictions for the life of the league are spot on. I would be happy to bet anyone any amount of money up to 10K that the league does not show a profit next year or the year after or the year after. Or instead of money we can bet sports cards. I'm willing to back up my comments with money. Is anyone else?

    Just read through this thread…lots of passionate folks here. I will take this bet for a friendly $100. I say the WNBA will turn a profit within the next 3 seasons (2025-2027). Since the financials are currently privately held by the NBA, WNBA owners and private equity investors, it advantages them to say the league is losing money as they work to renegotiate a new CBA. Once the CBA is finalized and the upcoming renegotiated TV contracts are locked, the script will flip. Advertisers are lining up, since this target audience currently can only be reached on social media and not live TV. The WNBA will need to clean up the dirty play, but these women are smart and will do what it takes to win the endorsements. Looking forward to revisiting this at the end of the 2027 season. Clark is this young female generations version of Larry Bird. Plays with all-out heart, crazy shooting range and fights hard on both sides of the floor. History has a funny way of repeating itself.

  • @jordangretzkyfan said:

    @Yankees70 said:

    Predictions for the life of the league are spot on. I would be happy to bet anyone any amount of money up to 10K that the league does not show a profit next year or the year after or the year after. Or instead of money we can bet sports cards. I'm willing to back up my comments with money. Is anyone else?

    Just read through this thread…lots of passionate folks here. I will take this bet for a friendly $100. I say the WNBA will turn a profit within the next 3 seasons (2025-2027). Since the financials are currently privately held by the NBA, WNBA owners and private equity investors, it advantages them to say the league is losing money as they work to renegotiate a new CBA. Once the CBA is finalized and the upcoming renegotiated TV contracts are locked, the script will flip. Advertisers are lining up, since this target audience currently can only be reached on social media and not live TV. The WNBA will need to clean up the dirty play, but these women are smart and will do what it takes to win the endorsements. Looking forward to revisiting this at the end of the 2027 season. Clark is this young female generations version of Larry Bird. Plays with all-out heart, crazy shooting range and fights hard on both sides of the floor. History has a funny way of repeating itself.

    I've read there could there also be tax implications to write it off as a loss as well. But yeah, in general, the WNBA is going to thrive the next 4 years IF they can clean it up to appeal to a young generation of fans.

  • PatriotTradingPatriotTrading Posts: 348 ✭✭✭
    edited September 29, 2024 9:34PM

    @Yankees70 said:

    @80sOPC said:
    Early cycle private ventures can take years to get to profitability. So the fact they are not profitable today means very little when you consider the growth rate, which is exponential.

    NBA was a failed league, NHL was a failed league, TSLA took ten years to profit. With respect I’m thinking you may be out of your league when it comes to commenting on private sector business cycles. I’d bet everything I own WNBA investors are giddy with where the league is headed, no matter what the boys at the 35th are watching.

    @Yankees70 said:

    @bgr said:

    Attacking the messenger does not mean my argument is incorrect. I work for Law Enforcement and have a wife and three daughters. I'm just a regular guy . Once again the league loses millions every year and that will not change. If the NBA ever decides to stop funding it the league will go under. All facts not opinions.

    LOL are you comparing the WNBA to the NHL and the NBA? You have done it I can't take this insanity anymore. The WNBA lost millions for 27 consecutive seasons and they will continue to lose millions for many more years. Lots of you guys are denying common sense and data. If you like the league that's great but denying the reasons why men and women have zero interest in the league is asinine. You will have to change human nature for the league to be successful. It will NEVER happen.

    Actually, we are all aware the NBA subsidizes the WNBA and has operated at a loss since its inception. Again, its nothing new. WE KNOW THIS ALREADY

    It seems you are the one that is ignoring all the statistical data that many have already posted and have only countered with the

    "RHEEEEE! 27 Seasons! RHEEEEEE!!! My 60 year old self and my 50 year old compadres at work dont watch the WNBA! RHEEEEEE!"

    Cool man but I'm confident your demographic isn't what the WNBA is specifically targeting........

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭

    @jordangretzkyfan said:

    @Yankees70 said:

    Predictions for the life of the league are spot on. I would be happy to bet anyone any amount of money up to 10K that the league does not show a profit next year or the year after or the year after. Or instead of money we can bet sports cards. I'm willing to back up my comments with money. Is anyone else?

    Just read through this thread…lots of passionate folks here. I will take this bet for a friendly $100. I say the WNBA will turn a profit within the next 3 seasons (2025-2027). Since the financials are currently privately held by the NBA, WNBA owners and private equity investors, it advantages them to say the league is losing money as they work to renegotiate a new CBA. Once the CBA is finalized and the upcoming renegotiated TV contracts are locked, the script will flip. Advertisers are lining up, since this target audience currently can only be reached on social media and not live TV. The WNBA will need to clean up the dirty play, but these women are smart and will do what it takes to win the endorsements. Looking forward to revisiting this at the end of the 2027 season. Clark is this young female generations version of Larry Bird. Plays with all-out heart, crazy shooting range and fights hard on both sides of the floor. History has a funny way of repeating itself.

    My bet proposal is per year. One bet for each of the next three years. Just want you to understand the bet proposal before we make it official. You are not getting the next three years to show a profit for one year. Please read again what I said and if it appeared that you were receiving three years to make a profit once I apologize.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭
    edited September 30, 2024 6:42AM

    @PatriotTrading said:

    @Yankees70 said:

    @80sOPC said:
    Early cycle private ventures can take years to get to profitability. So the fact they are not profitable today means very little when you consider the growth rate, which is exponential.

    NBA was a failed league, NHL was a failed league, TSLA took ten years to profit. With respect I’m thinking you may be out of your league when it comes to commenting on private sector business cycles. I’d bet everything I own WNBA investors are giddy with where the league is headed, no matter what the boys at the 35th are watching.

    @Yankees70 said:

    @bgr said:

    Attacking the messenger does not mean my argument is incorrect. I work for Law Enforcement and have a wife and three daughters. I'm just a regular guy . Once again the league loses millions every year and that will not change. If the NBA ever decides to stop funding it the league will go under. All facts not opinions.

    LOL are you comparing the WNBA to the NHL and the NBA? You have done it I can't take this insanity anymore. The WNBA lost millions for 27 consecutive seasons and they will continue to lose millions for many more years. Lots of you guys are denying common sense and data. If you like the league that's great but denying the reasons why men and women have zero interest in the league is asinine. You will have to change human nature for the league to be successful. It will NEVER happen.

    Actually, we are all aware the NBA subsidizes the WNBA and has operated at a loss since its inception. Again, its nothing new. WE KNOW THIS ALREADY

    It seems you are the one that is ignoring all the statistical data that many have already posted and have only countered with the

    "RHEEEEE! 27 Seasons! RHEEEEEE!!! My 60 year old self and my 50 year old compadres at work dont watch the WNBA! RHEEEEEE!"

    Cool man but I'm confident your demographic isn't what the WNBA is specifically targeting........

    My demographic? I work with young women, old dudes, young dudes, old women. I also have three daughters in the 20's. My opinion is not based on what I prefer its based on human nature and what I hear from multiple demographics.

    After the our women won another World Cup I heard ample people say how a women's pro soccer league would be a huge hit and of course it failed big time. Once again a men's high school team beat the women's team and there were many women on the team that has a lot of nasty things to say about our country. Plus most of them were very unattractive - sound familiar. There's no chance that die hard sports dudes were going to watch this. Same thing will happen and has happened to the WNBA.

  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Your tying attractiveness to the popularity of a sport is ridiculous. I don’t really find Caitlin Clark attractive, but I find her brand of basketball very entertaining and I enjoy watching it. That’s enough to keep me interested.

  • "Men are visual and will not watch extremely unattractive woman doing anything...."

    Well, there's always mud wrestling.

    Gobble.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭
    edited September 30, 2024 7:18AM

    @PaulMaul said:
    Your tying attractiveness to the popularity of a sport is ridiculous. I don’t really find Caitlin Clark attractive, but I find her brand of basketball very entertaining and I enjoy watching it. That’s enough to keep me interested.

    That's one of many reasons - not the only reason. If the woman in the WNBA were beautiful of course the popularity of the league would be much higher. That's not an opinion Paul. Example the most popular places to visit in Vegas are where ample beautiful women are. Men are not going to these places if the women are hideous.

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think with the way Silver bundles the media rights for the NBA and WNBA was helpful as it will provide $180-$220MM in additional revenue. So they could be profitable as soon as 2025. That being said I think that you have to consider the $500MM in debt and that they have a false economy with regard to salaries today in the league.

    I think that the WNBA has a chance to become sustainable this decade but they will have to continue building on the engagement and excitement they have now. As others have said the “sour grapes” attitude of some of the players who’ve been in the league for years with regard to the focus of the media attention is not helping their cause.

    As for attractiveness being important i don’t know. Why isn’t the lingerie bowl the hottest ticket in town. I’ve heard some people claim that baneful objectification is harmful to female athletes. They might be right.

    I don’t think that female sports have to compete or be competitive with men’s sports to be viable. We have divisions in various sports to manage differences in size, athleticism, and skill (to name a few).

    As far as the card prices… I would rather buy rare tulip bulbs honestly.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 8,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Repeatedly pointing out he’s employed in law enforcement then tells everyone how much of a laugh his friends at work will get from this thread.
    Declaring many of the women in soccer are unattractive.
    Declaring many women in the WNBA are extremely unattractive.
    Asking everyone what Clint Eastwood or John Wayne would do.
    Telling everyone that Clark, a woman, couldn’t make a good NCAA men’s team.
    Admits he doesn’t watch the WNBA and has no interest in the league’s success then proceeds to offer up to 10K in a bet on a league that he doesn’t watch and has no interest in. Then proceeds to offer said bet for up to three straight years.

    How does the phrase go again? Better To Remain Silent And Be Thought A Fool Than To Speak And Remove All Doubt.

    Talk about rambling on lol. 😂

  • “Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder”
    ― Plato

    Ancient Greek philosophy is impervious to modern conjecture.

    Gobble.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭
    edited September 30, 2024 9:58AM

    @erikthredd said:
    Repeatedly pointing out he’s employed in law enforcement then tells everyone how much of a laugh his friends at work will get from this thread.
    Declaring many of the women in soccer are unattractive.
    Declaring many women in the WNBA are extremely unattractive.
    Asking everyone what Clint Eastwood or John Wayne would do.
    Telling everyone that Clark, a woman, couldn’t make a good NCAA men’s team.
    Admits he doesn’t watch the WNBA and has no interest in the league’s success then proceeds to offer up to 10K in a bet on a league that he doesn’t watch and has no interest in. Then proceeds to offer said bet for up to three straight years.

    How does the phrase go again? Better To Remain Silent And Be Thought A Fool Than To Speak And Remove All Doubt.

    Talk about rambling on lol. 😂

    What comments did I make that you disagree with? Do you think Clark could make a division 1 men's team? Do you think sports fans think the women of the WNBA are good looking? Do you think the league losing millions every year is a lie? Do you think that die hard sports fans follow and watch the WNBA? What did I say that is wrong and be specific.

    I highly recommend some of you read some articles about the WNBA. Read about the financials of the league. Read about why sports fans won't watch it. Do some research on the topic and make sure you read articles from both sides of the argument that are backed up with data. If you think that regular guys who love sports are going to attend and watch the WNBA - not going to happen for all the reasons I mentioned.

    Maybe things will change in 20 + years.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 8,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When gambling on the WNBA takes off then all will know it is a successful venture. That aspect will feed viewership.

    Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 8,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Yankees70 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Repeatedly pointing out he’s employed in law enforcement then tells everyone how much of a laugh his friends at work will get from this thread.
    Declaring many of the women in soccer are unattractive.
    Declaring many women in the WNBA are extremely unattractive.
    Asking everyone what Clint Eastwood or John Wayne would do.
    Telling everyone that Clark, a woman, couldn’t make a good NCAA men’s team.
    Admits he doesn’t watch the WNBA and has no interest in the league’s success then proceeds to offer up to 10K in a bet on a league that he doesn’t watch and has no interest in. Then proceeds to offer said bet for up to three straight years.

    How does the phrase go again? Better To Remain Silent And Be Thought A Fool Than To Speak And Remove All Doubt.

    Talk about rambling on lol. 😂

    What comments did I make that you disagree with? Do you think Clark could make a division 1 men's team? Do you think sports fans think the women of the WNBA are good looking? Do you think the league losing millions every year is a lie? Do you think that die hard sports fans follow and watch the WNBA? What did I say that is wrong and be specific.

    I’m not saying that I agree or disagree with any of it, I’m just saying it’s ok to not type out every thought that passes through your head lol. I will try to answer some of your questions though...

    1. It’s irrelevant on whether Clark could make a division 1 men’s team so it’s honestly pointless asking that question.
    2. Like ElMago’s quote in the comment before yours, beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder but, again, totally irrelevant to the topic in this thread, imho.
    3. I’m sure there’s actual data somewhere online that points out on whether the WNBA is losing money or not so I won’t argue on whether that is true or not.
    4. Here’s one that I honestly think that your seriously overlooking, just because you and your law enforcement buddies aren’t watching/starting to watch the WNBA, that doesn’t mean that other sports fans haven’t. Just like the answer to #3, the truth is out there where ticket sales have gone up considerably so to answer this question, Yeah, sports fans ARE watching these games more than previously. Defining if it’s actual “die hard sports fans” is also completely irrelevant when more fans in general now have more interest in that league in 2024. Again, those attendance numbers speak for themselves.

    Too many people are getting caught up in trying to argue this topic when in reality both sides can be right in this situation. You can point out the WNBA’s history in recent years and how most fans really weren’t interested in that league. That would be true. You can also see how much has changed for the that league just from last season to this one with Caitlin Clark playing out her rookie season and how much of an impact she’s had on it which can also be true. The results speak for themself.

    We had a thread over in the Sports Talk forum where someone pointed out Ice Cube had offered Clark 5M to go play a season in the Big Three league and there were some commenters saying she should accept that offer because she’ll probably not make that much money for her entire WNBA career. Some even speculated with including her offcourt endorsements as well and she literally crushed that 5M offer within a couple weeks with her Nike deal alone that was reported to be north of 20M.

    The popularity of the WNBA has absolutely grown over this past year whether you want to agree or not and just because you and your friends haven’t started watching these games doesn’t mean many other fans haven’t as well because they have, you just keep feeling the need to argue against that truth for some reason.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 8,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Yankees70 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Repeatedly pointing out he’s employed in law enforcement then tells everyone how much of a laugh his friends at work will get from this thread.
    Declaring many of the women in soccer are unattractive.
    Declaring many women in the WNBA are extremely unattractive.
    Asking everyone what Clint Eastwood or John Wayne would do.
    Telling everyone that Clark, a woman, couldn’t make a good NCAA men’s team.
    Admits he doesn’t watch the WNBA and has no interest in the league’s success then proceeds to offer up to 10K in a bet on a league that he doesn’t watch and has no interest in. Then proceeds to offer said bet for up to three straight years.

    How does the phrase go again? Better To Remain Silent And Be Thought A Fool Than To Speak And Remove All Doubt.

    Talk about rambling on lol. 😂

    I highly recommend some of you read some articles about the WNBA. Read about the financials of the league. Read about why sports fans won't watch it. Do some research on the topic and make sure you read articles from both sides of the argument that are backed up with data. If you think that regular guys who love sports are going to attend and watch the WNBA - not going to happen for all the reasons I mentioned.

    Maybe things will change in 20 + years.

    Didn’t see this edit until after posting my last comment. My reply to this is, we don’t honestly need to go read anything when in most of these Caitlin Clark debates on what’s she’s meant to that league in 2024 there are numerous people like yourself pointing this out repeatedly. Most of us know the truth of that league’s financial issues throughout its history but, again, you completely want to overlook the impact that Clark has had on their attendance over her rookie season. Will it hold up long term? 🤷‍♂️ but it probably will be better for the league going forward than it has been over the past 5-10 seasons.

  • @erikthredd said:
    2. Like ElMago’s quote in the comment before yours, beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder but, again, totally irrelevant to the topic in this thread, imho.

    If you consider the purpose of the OP, it's perfectly relevant. Someone paid a delicious sum of money for a basketball card, so they must have been rather impressed with its presentation.

    On the other hand, suggesting that women's basketball would only be interesting if it was populated by fashion models and cover girls is quite disparaging.

    Gobble.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 8,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ElMagoStrikeZone said:

    @erikthredd said:
    2. Like ElMago’s quote in the comment before yours, beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder but, again, totally irrelevant to the topic in this thread, imho.

    If you consider the purpose of the OP, it's perfectly relevant. Someone paid a delicious sum of money for a basketball card, so they must have been rather impressed with its presentation.

    OR her looks had zero to do with that purchase and it could be just someone thinking that buying that card is a very good financial investment going forward. It’s funny that we never hear anyone mention how attractive or unattractive a male athlete is when sharing their recent pickups on this forum lol.

    On the other hand, suggesting that women's basketball would only be interesting if it was populated by fashion models and cover girls is quite disparaging.

    Agreed.

  • @erikthredd said:

    @ElMagoStrikeZone said:

    @erikthredd said:
    2. Like ElMago’s quote in the comment before yours, beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder but, again, totally irrelevant to the topic in this thread, imho.

    If you consider the purpose of the OP, it's perfectly relevant. Someone paid a delicious sum of money for a basketball card, so they must have been rather impressed with its presentation.

    OR her looks had zero to do with that purchase and it could be just someone thinking that buying that card is a very good financial investment going forward. It’s funny that we never hear anyone mention how attractive or unattractive a male athlete is when sharing their recent pickups on this forum lol.

    On the other hand, suggesting that women's basketball would only be interesting if it was populated by fashion models and cover girls is quite disparaging.

    Agreed.

    Zero reference to her looks. I meant the card itself. Nothing else. That was the point of the comment.

    On the topic of gorgeous males, there are plenty. We'll save that for another day.

    Gobble.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭
    edited September 30, 2024 1:00PM

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    When gambling on the WNBA takes off then all will know it is a successful venture. That aspect will feed viewership.

    This is the first responses that makes sense. Now that many people can gamble legally from their computer this could help the viewership of the sport. I know ample people that have gambling problems and if there's nothing to bet besides a WNBA game they will bet the game.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭
    edited September 30, 2024 3:50PM

    @erikthredd said:

    @Yankees70 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Repeatedly pointing out he’s employed in law enforcement then tells everyone how much of a laugh his friends at work will get from this thread.
    Declaring many of the women in soccer are unattractive.
    Declaring many women in the WNBA are extremely unattractive.
    Asking everyone what Clint Eastwood or John Wayne would do.
    Telling everyone that Clark, a woman, couldn’t make a good NCAA men’s team.
    Admits he doesn’t watch the WNBA and has no interest in the league’s success then proceeds to offer up to 10K in a bet on a league that he doesn’t watch and has no interest in. Then proceeds to offer said bet for up to three straight years.

    How does the phrase go again? Better To Remain Silent And Be Thought A Fool Than To Speak And Remove All Doubt.

    Talk about rambling on lol. 😂

    What comments did I make that you disagree with? Do you think Clark could make a division 1 men's team? Do you think sports fans think the women of the WNBA are good looking? Do you think the league losing millions every year is a lie? Do you think that die hard sports fans follow and watch the WNBA? What did I say that is wrong and be specific.

    I’m not saying that I agree or disagree with any of it, I’m just saying it’s ok to not type out every thought that passes through your head lol. I will try to answer some of your questions though...

    1. It’s irrelevant on whether Clark could make a division 1 men’s team so it’s honestly pointless asking that question.
    2. Like ElMago’s quote in the comment before yours, beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder but, again, totally irrelevant to the topic in this thread, imho.
    3. I’m sure there’s actual data somewhere online that points out on whether the WNBA is losing money or not so I won’t argue on whether that is true or not.
    4. Here’s one that I honestly think that your seriously overlooking, just because you and your law enforcement buddies aren’t watching/starting to watch the WNBA, that doesn’t mean that other sports fans haven’t. Just like the answer to #3, the truth is out there where ticket sales have gone up considerably so to answer this question, Yeah, sports fans ARE watching these games more than previously. Defining if it’s actual “die hard sports fans” is also completely irrelevant when more fans in general now have more interest in that league in 2024. Again, those attendance numbers speak for themselves.

    Too many people are getting caught up in trying to argue this topic when in reality both sides can be right in this situation. You can point out the WNBA’s history in recent years and how most fans really weren’t interested in that league. That would be true. You can also see how much has changed for the that league just from last season to this one with Caitlin Clark playing out her rookie season and how much of an impact she’s had on it which can also be true. The results speak for themself.

    We had a thread over in the Sports Talk forum where someone pointed out Ice Cube had offered Clark 5M to go play a season in the Big Three league and there were some commenters saying she should accept that offer because she’ll probably not make that much money for her entire WNBA career. Some even speculated with including her offcourt endorsements as well and she literally crushed that 5M offer within a couple weeks with her Nike deal alone that was reported to be north of 20M.

    The popularity of the WNBA has absolutely grown over this past year whether you want to agree or not and just because you and your friends haven’t started watching these games doesn’t mean many other fans haven’t as well because they have, you just keep feeling the need to argue against that truth for some reason.

    I never said the popularity has not gone up. It can go up every year for the next decade and still lose millions annually and not be a sport that many people want to watch.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭

    @ElMagoStrikeZone said:

    @erikthredd said:
    2. Like ElMago’s quote in the comment before yours, beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder but, again, totally irrelevant to the topic in this thread, imho.

    If you consider the purpose of the OP, it's perfectly relevant. Someone paid a delicious sum of money for a basketball card, so they must have been rather impressed with its presentation.

    On the other hand, suggesting that women's basketball would only be interesting if it was populated by fashion models and cover girls is quite disparaging.

    When did I say it would only be interesting if it has great looking women? It's not popular and loses millions for many reasons. One of the reasons is the league has a lot of unattractive women. Even if every women was a 10 the league would still be losing millions but more men would watch it.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 8,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Yankees70 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Yankees70 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Repeatedly pointing out he’s employed in law enforcement then tells everyone how much of a laugh his friends at work will get from this thread.
    Declaring many of the women in soccer are unattractive.
    Declaring many women in the WNBA are extremely unattractive.
    Asking everyone what Clint Eastwood or John Wayne would do.
    Telling everyone that Clark, a woman, couldn’t make a good NCAA men’s team.
    Admits he doesn’t watch the WNBA and has no interest in the league’s success then proceeds to offer up to 10K in a bet on a league that he doesn’t watch and has no interest in. Then proceeds to offer said bet for up to three straight years.

    How does the phrase go again? Better To Remain Silent And Be Thought A Fool Than To Speak And Remove All Doubt.

    Talk about rambling on lol. 😂

    What comments did I make that you disagree with? Do you think Clark could make a division 1 men's team? Do you think sports fans think the women of the WNBA are good looking? Do you think the league losing millions every year is a lie? Do you think that die hard sports fans follow and watch the WNBA? What did I say that is wrong and be specific.

    I’m not saying that I agree or disagree with any of it, I’m just saying it’s ok to not type out every thought that passes through your head lol. I will try to answer some of your questions though...

    1. It’s irrelevant on whether Clark could make a division 1 men’s team so it’s honestly pointless asking that question.
    2. Like ElMago’s quote in the comment before yours, beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder but, again, totally irrelevant to the topic in this thread, imho.
    3. I’m sure there’s actual data somewhere online that points out on whether the WNBA is losing money or not so I won’t argue on whether that is true or not.
    4. Here’s one that I honestly think that your seriously overlooking, just because you and your law enforcement buddies aren’t watching/starting to watch the WNBA, that doesn’t mean that other sports fans haven’t. Just like the answer to #3, the truth is out there where ticket sales have gone up considerably so to answer this question, Yeah, sports fans ARE watching these games more than previously. Defining if it’s actual “die hard sports fans” is also completely irrelevant when more fans in general now have more interest in that league in 2024. Again, those attendance numbers speak for themselves.

    Too many people are getting caught up in trying to argue this topic when in reality both sides can be right in this situation. You can point out the WNBA’s history in recent years and how most fans really weren’t interested in that league. That would be true. You can also see how much has changed for the that league just from last season to this one with Caitlin Clark playing out her rookie season and how much of an impact she’s had on it which can also be true. The results speak for themself.

    We had a thread over in the Sports Talk forum where someone pointed out Ice Cube had offered Clark 5M to go play a season in the Big Three league and there were some commenters saying she should accept that offer because she’ll probably not make that much money for her entire WNBA career. Some even speculated with including her offcourt endorsements as well and she literally crushed that 5M offer within a couple weeks with her Nike deal alone that was reported to be north of 20M.

    The popularity of the WNBA has absolutely grown over this past year whether you want to agree or not and just because you and your friends haven’t started watching these games doesn’t mean many other fans haven’t as well because they have, you just keep feeling the need to argue against that truth for some reason.

    I never said the popularity has not gone up. It can go up every year for the next decade and still lose millions annually and not be a sport the many people want to watch.

    So just don’t watch it. Caitlin Clark going into the WNBA has been very beneficial for that league and I really just don’t get the point of repeatedly telling us all how much money the’ll keep losing. You just come off as someone with an axe to grind against either Clark herself or the WNBA as a whole.

  • lahmejoonlahmejoon Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭

    I suggest a new strategy, Artoo...

  • @Yankees70 said:

    @ElMagoStrikeZone said:

    @erikthredd said:
    2. Like ElMago’s quote in the comment before yours, beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder but, again, totally irrelevant to the topic in this thread, imho.

    If you consider the purpose of the OP, it's perfectly relevant. Someone paid a delicious sum of money for a basketball card, so they must have been rather impressed with its presentation.

    On the other hand, suggesting that women's basketball would only be interesting if it was populated by fashion models and cover girls is quite disparaging.

    When did I say it would only be interesting if it has great looking women? It's not popular and loses millions for many reasons. One of the reasons is the league has a lot of unattractive women. Even if every women was a 10 the league would still be losing millions but more men would watch it.

    You didn't. I made a blanket statement attributable to those who do so while maintaining the attitude that a lack of attractiveness is seen as a negative for the league. Make of it what you will. Your comments speak of your own truth on the subject.

    Gobble.

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