@FredWeinberg said:
A copper cent of that date weighs
3.1 grams
Weigh your cent on an accurate digital scale and it will weigh 3.1 or possibly 3.2 g due to the plating – real simple
What would a solid SILVER penny weigh? Isn't that the main question?
Not a silver dime. Not a silver or zinc coated penny. But what should that 3.1 gram copper coin weigh if it was made of silver and not copper?
Even using google, I can't find an answer for this. Every result gives a weight for a silver DIME, which has no bearing on what the weight would be for a coin the size of a penny made of silver. If there's an answer to that on the internet I haven't been able to find it. Just the weight of dimes and the no-brainer answer that, "A silver dime weighs less than a penny", which although isn't much of surprise, certainly doesn't answer the question of how much a silver penny would weight in comparison to a copper one.
You are weighing to see if it was struck on a silver dime planchet, in which case it would be the same weight as a silver dime.
The coin is smaller and thinner than the LHCs by a factor of about .85 to .9! I just stacked the silver one between two copper LHCs. I should scan them size by side and then another image overlapped!
If your image was posted as an insult, which I assume it was, I take exception to it and I won't be back on this message board.
What a great idea it is for members of long standing here to run off people asking questions. Just tell anyone who posts that they are unwelcome here and be done with it. Get right to the point. Only on the internet do folks who would never dream of confronting a man face to face disrespect others so cavalierly.
Looks like you're the big winner for today. I was the one asking questions, nothing more, and you're the one, if anyone, that was looking for trouble.
And just what did you win, in trying to run off a collector with thousands of vintage items from a 150 year old family estate, some of which may have had great value and been interesting for all to see? If nothing can possibly have any value whatsoever unless one of y'all own it and people with questions about items should keep it to themselves because it's all garbage anyway what's the point of accepting new registrants to the forum?
Not that it matters but the forum is not owned or operated by the members.
When you post a question about a coin or coins, it's worth remembering that the people giving you answers--unless it is specifically about an NGC policy matter or submission--are volunteer hobbyists who do this for fun. They are not speaking for NGC; they speak only for themselves, and they want to help people. When you do a good job of posting your inquiry, you increase your chances of helpful replies, because you show respect for the volunteers' time.
Post clear photos of the entire obverse, reverse, and if necessary the edge. If need be, add zoomed photos of specific features, but always clear shots of both full sides.
Your "silver" non-1943 penny is plated, replated, has had the plating come off, is altered, or somesuch.
Get defensive when told your pics are not good. Maybe you're bad at photography; maybe you don't have a good camera; maybe the photography gods just don't like you. If you can do better, do so. If you cannot do better, than just accept that this limits how much we can help you.
*Get annoyed if you don't like the answers. If you disagree with them, fine; act on your views.
All VERY applicable to this thread, were only trying to help, and like the list says, we are volunteer hobbyists and we do not get paid to spend time trying to help you.
I'm not annoyed. STILL, no one has answered the most basic question of all. HOW does a PLATED coin become 10 to 15% THINNER. And HOW does plating cause a coin to be oblong rather than uniformly circular like any other Lincoln cent. Why does no one seem willing to answer that? Y'all are geniuses and all the "outsiders" are stupid. That should be an easy one to explain?
When you post a question about a coin or coins, it's worth remembering that the people giving you answers--unless it is specifically about an NGC policy matter or submission--are volunteer hobbyists who do this for fun. They are not speaking for NGC; they speak only for themselves, and they want to help people. When you do a good job of posting your inquiry, you increase your chances of helpful replies, because you show respect for the volunteers' time.
Post clear photos of the entire obverse, reverse, and if necessary the edge. If need be, add zoomed photos of specific features, but always clear shots of both full sides.
Your "silver" non-1943 penny is plated, replated, has had the plating come off, is altered, or somesuch.
Get defensive when told your pics are not good. Maybe you're bad at photography; maybe you don't have a good camera; maybe the photography gods just don't like you. If you can do better, do so. If you cannot do better, than just accept that this limits how much we can help you.
*Get annoyed if you don't like the answers. If you disagree with them, fine; act on your views.
All VERY applicable to this thread, were only trying to help, and like the list says, we are volunteer hobbyists and we do not get paid to spend time trying to help you.
I'm not annoyed. STILL, no one has answered the most basic question of all. HOW does a PLATED coin become 10 to 15% THINNER. And HOW does plating cause a coin to be oblong rather than uniformly circular like any other Lincoln cent. Why does no one seem willing to answer that? Y'all are geniuses and all the "outsiders" are stupid. That should be an easy one to explain?
When you post a question about a coin or coins, it's worth remembering that the people giving you answers--unless it is specifically about an NGC policy matter or submission--are volunteer hobbyists who do this for fun. They are not speaking for NGC; they speak only for themselves, and they want to help people. When you do a good job of posting your inquiry, you increase your chances of helpful replies, because you show respect for the volunteers' time.
Post clear photos of the entire obverse, reverse, and if necessary the edge. If need be, add zoomed photos of specific features, but always clear shots of both full sides.
Your "silver" non-1943 penny is plated, replated, has had the plating come off, is altered, or somesuch.
Get defensive when told your pics are not good. Maybe you're bad at photography; maybe you don't have a good camera; maybe the photography gods just don't like you. If you can do better, do so. If you cannot do better, than just accept that this limits how much we can help you.
*Get annoyed if you don't like the answers. If you disagree with them, fine; act on your views.
All VERY applicable to this thread, were only trying to help, and like the list says, we are volunteer hobbyists and we do not get paid to spend time trying to help you.
I'm not annoyed. STILL, no one has answered the most basic question of all. HOW does a PLATED coin become 10 to 15% THINNER. And HOW does plating cause a coin to be oblong rather than uniformly circular like any other Lincoln cent. Why does no one seem willing to answer that? Y'all are geniuses and all the "outsiders" are stupid. That should be an easy one to explain?
When you post a question about a coin or coins, it's worth remembering that the people giving you answers--unless it is specifically about an NGC policy matter or submission--are volunteer hobbyists who do this for fun. They are not speaking for NGC; they speak only for themselves, and they want to help people. When you do a good job of posting your inquiry, you increase your chances of helpful replies, because you show respect for the volunteers' time.
Post clear photos of the entire obverse, reverse, and if necessary the edge. If need be, add zoomed photos of specific features, but always clear shots of both full sides.
Your "silver" non-1943 penny is plated, replated, has had the plating come off, is altered, or somesuch.
Get defensive when told your pics are not good. Maybe you're bad at photography; maybe you don't have a good camera; maybe the photography gods just don't like you. If you can do better, do so. If you cannot do better, than just accept that this limits how much we can help you.
*Get annoyed if you don't like the answers. If you disagree with them, fine; act on your views.
All VERY applicable to this thread, were only trying to help, and like the list says, we are volunteer hobbyists and we do not get paid to spend time trying to help you.
I'm not annoyed. STILL, no one has answered the most basic question of all. HOW does a PLATED coin become 10 to 15% THINNER. And HOW does plating cause a coin to be oblong rather than uniformly circular like any other Lincoln cent. Why does no one seem willing to answer that? Y'all are geniuses and all the "outsiders" are stupid. That should be an easy one to explain?
When you post a question about a coin or coins, it's worth remembering that the people giving you answers--unless it is specifically about an NGC policy matter or submission--are volunteer hobbyists who do this for fun. They are not speaking for NGC; they speak only for themselves, and they want to help people. When you do a good job of posting your inquiry, you increase your chances of helpful replies, because you show respect for the volunteers' time.
Post clear photos of the entire obverse, reverse, and if necessary the edge. If need be, add zoomed photos of specific features, but always clear shots of both full sides.
Your "silver" non-1943 penny is plated, replated, has had the plating come off, is altered, or somesuch.
Get defensive when told your pics are not good. Maybe you're bad at photography; maybe you don't have a good camera; maybe the photography gods just don't like you. If you can do better, do so. If you cannot do better, than just accept that this limits how much we can help you.
*Get annoyed if you don't like the answers. If you disagree with them, fine; act on your views.
All VERY applicable to this thread, were only trying to help, and like the list says, we are volunteer hobbyists and we do not get paid to spend time trying to help you.
How can I agree or disagree when the most basic of all questions has been completely ignored either accidentally or by design because it flies contrary to the snap judgement made in post #2.
Here it is again.
How does PLATING a LHC REDUCE its thickness by 10 to 15%? The coin is about halfway between the thickness of a dime and a penny, but slightly closer to the thickness of a dime than a copper penny.
In this universe, ADDING a layer of something to a penny should make it thicker, not 10 to 15% thinner. And why is the coin slightly oblong and not uniformly circular like all the other pennies I can find to overlay it? Physics gone wild?
Adding a microscopically thin layer of another metal won't change the thickness at all.
The thickness of cents vary quite a bit over the years and between coins of the same year due to rim differences. There are occasionally rolled thin planchets that are out of specifications but that is more obvious in the weight.
I'm not sure why you don't weigh it.
Don't take it personally. 3 or 4 of "you" pop up every week. 99.99% of them have specifications what we tell them they have. More than half of them argue with us and disappear. 0.01% have something unusual. 0.00001% of them have something valuable. So, some of the members start out a bit salty.
@MFeld said:
Why have you not weighed the coin? Do you think its weight is irrelevant?
The weight will be irrelevant to compare it to a 3.1 gram COPPER penny because the coin is not the same size as a standard 3.1 gram copper penny.
The coin is slightly oblong, not perfectly round, and most importantly, the coin is 10 to 15% THINNER than a normal copper penny.
Now, if a penny sized (diameter and thickness) copper coin weighs 3.1 grams, and a penny sized piece of silver weighs 3.63 grams (given that silver weighs 1.1717 X more than copper, a silver penny that is 85% the thickness of a normal penny SHOULD weigh 3.08 to 3.1 grams.
So this weighing about the same as a copper penny is a moot point BECAUSE it's about 85% the thickness of a normal copper penny, understand?
This disparity in thickness, by up to 15% disqualifies the weight alone as the deciding factor, unless considering that at 85% the size AND WEIGHING THE SAME, it can be concluded that the material is obviously heavier, as is silver. The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it
Serious question: Could the cent have been flattened at one time? That could account for the oblonging, as that metal has to go someplace. Weighing it would quickly prove or disprove this theory.
Obviously the link below is an extreme example, but you get the point about how thinning a coin oblongs it.
@MFeld said:
Why have you not weighed the coin? Do you think its weight is irrelevant?
The weight will be irrelevant to compare it to a 3.1 gram COPPER penny because the coin is not the same size as a standard 3.1 gram copper penny.
The coin is slightly oblong, not perfectly round, and most importantly, the coin is 10 to 15% THINNER than a normal copper penny.
Now, if a penny sized (diameter and thickness) copper coin weighs 3.1 grams, and a penny sized piece of silver weighs 3.63 grams (given that silver weighs 1.1717 X more than copper, a silver penny that is 85% the thickness of a normal penny SHOULD weigh 3.08 to 3.1 grams.
So this weighing about the same as a copper penny is a moot point BECAUSE it's about 85% the thickness of a normal copper penny, understand?
This disparity in thickness, by up to 15% disqualifies the weight alone as the deciding factor, unless considering that at 85% the size AND WEIGHING THE SAME, it can be concluded that the material is obviously heavier, as is silver. The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it
@MFeld said:
Why have you not weighed the coin? Do you think its weight is irrelevant?
The weight will be irrelevant to compare it to a 3.1 gram COPPER penny because the coin is not the same size as a standard 3.1 gram copper penny.
The coin is slightly oblong, not perfectly round, and most importantly, the coin is 10 to 15% THINNER than a normal copper penny.
Now, if a penny sized (diameter and thickness) copper coin weighs 3.1 grams, and a penny sized piece of silver weighs 3.63 grams (given that silver weighs 1.1717 X more than copper, a silver penny that is 85% the thickness of a normal penny SHOULD weigh 3.08 to 3.1 grams.
So this weighing about the same as a copper penny is a moot point BECAUSE it's about 85% the thickness of a normal copper penny, understand?
This disparity in thickness, by up to 15% disqualifies the weight alone as the deciding factor, unless considering that at 85% the size AND WEIGHING THE SAME, it can be concluded that the material is obviously heavier, as is silver. The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it
Coins are NOT struck oblong. Even if they are, they are stuck on uniform planchets. As such, regardless of shape, the weight DOES NOT CHANGE.
While it is possible that the weight will not tell you anything definitive, especially since you don't want to believe 30 people who each have more experience than you, it might be definitive and put an end to all the speculation. Respectfully, your refusal to weigh it borders on trolling. You've spent more time arguing why you shouldn't weigh it than it would take to weigh it.
@M4Madness said:
Serious question: Could the cent have been flattened at one time? That could account for the oblonging, as that metal has to go someplace. Weighing it would quickly prove or disprove this theory.
The coin is markedly thinner than a copper penny. It's about 10% shy of the halfway point in thickness between a dime and a penny, about 85% the thickness of a penny and about 10% greater than the thickness of a dime. The thickness is perfectly uniform, it is not thicker or thinner in certain areas. Some of the edges look "sort of like" the coins I see being labeled "struck on dime planchet", but to a more subtle degree.
I can't imagine how plating a coin would cause it to become thinner by as much as 10 to 15% rather than thicker.
Since the date was 1955, if it were a dime planchet, it would most certainly be silver. Take it to a local coin shop and have them test it on a Sigma that they use to test for counterfeit silver and gold coins. If it tests positive for 90% silver, you have your answer.
@M4Madness said:
Serious question: Could the cent have been flattened at one time? That could account for the oblonging, as that metal has to go someplace. Weighing it would quickly prove or disprove this theory.
The coin is markedly thinner than a copper penny. It's about 10% shy of the halfway point in thickness between a dime and a penny, about 85% the thickness of a penny and about 10% greater than the thickness of a dime. The thickness is perfectly uniform, it is not thicker or thinner in certain areas. Some of the edges look "sort of like" the coins I see being labeled "struck on dime planchet", but to a more subtle degree.
I can't imagine how plating a coin would cause it to become thinner by as much as 10 to 15% rather than thicker.
Although the photograph of the coin in the Mylar, 2 x 2 has been removed,
I did not see anything in the photo that indicated weakness of the strike due to the planchet
being up to 15% thinner than a normal plant it or struck a coin.
I know that the third time isn’t always the charm, but for the third time, your cent is a common copper cent that has been plated.. Please weigh it. And report the weight to us – I think you owe us that.
Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
@Coinscratch said:
The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it...
If you already knew this then why are you even bothering?
Because like I said you sole purpose was/is to troll to get a reaction. Saw that trick on TV recently.
My time is much too valuable to waste. I was looking for help and a spineless, worthless troll like you decided to attack. Bet'cha that would NEVER happen with you in real life.
@M4Madness said:
Since the date was 1955, if it were a dime planchet, it would most certainly be silver. Take it to a local coin shop and have them test it on a Sigma that they use to test for counterfeit silver and gold coins. If it tests positive for 90% silver, you have your answer.
@Coinscratch said:
The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it...
If you already knew this then why are you even bothering?
Because like I said you sole purpose was/is to troll to get a reaction. Saw that trick on TV recently.
My time is much too valuable to waste. I was looking for help and a spineless, worthless troll like you decided to attack. Bet'cha that would NEVER happen with you in real life.
Yeah whatever I see you edited all of your initial posts that got you the reaction to begin with. Nice try.
@Coinscratch said:
The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it...
If you already knew this then why are you even bothering?
Because like I said you sole purpose was/is to troll to get a reaction. Saw that trick on TV recently.
My time is much too valuable to waste. I was looking for help and a spineless, worthless troll like you decided to attack. Bet'cha that would NEVER happen with you in real life.
Yeah whatever I see you edited all of your initial posts that got you the reaction to begin with. Nice try.
If you had so much fun disrespecting me here, just think of how much fun you would have disrespecting me in person! I'm willing to have a personal pow-wow with you so we can see how that fares for you. How about you? Do you back up your BS in person? Or are you as much of a wimp in person as I suspect you to be?
@Coinscratch said:
The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it...
If you already knew this then why are you even bothering?
Because like I said you sole purpose was/is to troll to get a reaction. Saw that trick on TV recently.
My time is much too valuable to waste. I was looking for help and a spineless, worthless troll like you decided to attack. Bet'cha that would NEVER happen with you in real life.
@Coinscratch said:
The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it...
If you already knew this then why are you even bothering?
Because like I said you sole purpose was/is to troll to get a reaction. Saw that trick on TV recently.
My time is much too valuable to waste. I was looking for help and a spineless, worthless troll like you decided to attack. Bet'cha that would NEVER happen with you in real life.
Who is the "keyboard warrior" now?
That question can be answered. We can easily find that out by meeting in person so you can take a swing and see what happens next.
@M4Madness said:
Since the date was 1955, if it were a dime planchet, it would most certainly be silver. Take it to a local coin shop and have them test it on a Sigma that they use to test for counterfeit silver and gold coins. If it tests positive for 90% silver, you have your answer.
Bingo. Thank you. The simple answer instead of trolling like most of the forum members did.
Bingo. Weighing it is easier and would likely give you the same information.
Most of the forum actually tried to be helpful, including numerous people asking you to weigh it.
By the way, none of the coin shops in my town have a sigma and only half of them have XRF guns. So they may actually just weigh it for you and tell you exactly what we did.
@Coinscratch said:
The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it...
If you already knew this then why are you even bothering?
Because like I said you sole purpose was/is to troll to get a reaction. Saw that trick on TV recently.
My time is much too valuable to waste. I was looking for help and a spineless, worthless troll like you decided to attack. Bet'cha that would NEVER happen with you in real life.
Yeah whatever I see you edited all of your initial posts that got you the reaction to begin with. Nice try.
If you had so much fun disrespecting me here, just think of how much fun you would have disrespecting me in person! I'm willing to have a personal pow-wow with you so we can see how that fares for you. How about you? Do you back up your BS in person? Or are you as much of a wimp in person as I suspect you to be?
@Coinscratch said:
The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it...
If you already knew this then why are you even bothering?
Because like I said you sole purpose was/is to troll to get a reaction. Saw that trick on TV recently.
My time is much too valuable to waste. I was looking for help and a spineless, worthless troll like you decided to attack. Bet'cha that would NEVER happen with you in real life.
Who is the "keyboard warrior" now?
I get it. Everyone here is automatically BETTER than I am. Superior in every way, right? Let's put it to the test where it COUNTS. Face to face, I always say. The world is real. This is not. Or milquetoasts such as yourself wouldn't be trolling and confrontational with people they know nothing about.
@Coinscratch said:
The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it...
If you already knew this then why are you even bothering?
Because like I said you sole purpose was/is to troll to get a reaction. Saw that trick on TV recently.
My time is much too valuable to waste. I was looking for help and a spineless, worthless troll like you decided to attack. Bet'cha that would NEVER happen with you in real life.
Who is the "keyboard warrior" now?
That question can be answered. We can easily find that out by meeting in person so you can take a swing and see what happens next.
A response which proves that the "keyboard warrior" lives in the mirror. No one here threatened you. And even if you could beat up the entire forum, you would STILL have a plated copper cent. So what, exactly, is the point other than you trying to provoke us?
@Coinscratch said:
The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it...
If you already knew this then why are you even bothering?
Because like I said you sole purpose was/is to troll to get a reaction. Saw that trick on TV recently.
My time is much too valuable to waste. I was looking for help and a spineless, worthless troll like you decided to attack. Bet'cha that would NEVER happen with you in real life.
Yeah whatever I see you edited all of your initial posts that got you the reaction to begin with. Nice try.
This is a waste of time.
If anyone here would like to have a personal sit down with me to attack me IN PERSON, just let me know. I'm all for it.
@Coinscratch said:
The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it...
If you already knew this then why are you even bothering?
Because like I said you sole purpose was/is to troll to get a reaction. Saw that trick on TV recently.
My time is much too valuable to waste. I was looking for help and a spineless, worthless troll like you decided to attack. Bet'cha that would NEVER happen with you in real life.
Yeah whatever I see you edited all of your initial posts that got you the reaction to begin with. Nice try.
If you had so much fun disrespecting me here, just think of how much fun you would have disrespecting me in person! I'm willing to have a personal pow-wow with you so we can see how that fares for you. How about you? Do you back up your BS in person? Or are you as much of a wimp in person as I suspect you to be?
Calling out your man bun is hardly an attack.
I don't have a man bun, stupid. We already covered that, try to keep up.
@jmlanzaf said:
By the way, none of the coin shops in my town have a sigma and only half of them have XRF guns. So they may actually just weigh it for you and tell you exactly what we did.
Yeah, I don't know how popular they are. I just know that the only coin shop local to me has one. I've seen the owner testing silver rounds that people come in to sell.
@Coinscratch said:
The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it...
If you already knew this then why are you even bothering?
Because like I said you sole purpose was/is to troll to get a reaction. Saw that trick on TV recently.
My time is much too valuable to waste. I was looking for help and a spineless, worthless troll like you decided to attack. Bet'cha that would NEVER happen with you in real life.
Who is the "keyboard warrior" now?
I get it. Everyone here is automatically BETTER than I am. Superior in every way, right? Let's put it to the test where it COUNTS. Face to face, I always say. The world is real. This is not. Or milquetoasts such as yourself wouldn't be trolling and confrontational with people they know nothing about.
When exactly did i confront you? I've been nothing but helpful.
Everyone here is not "better" than you. However, everyone here has more numismatic experience.
I have been called many things over the years. Milquetoast was never one of them. Thanks for the laughs.
@Coinscratch said:
The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it...
If you already knew this then why are you even bothering?
Because like I said you sole purpose was/is to troll to get a reaction. Saw that trick on TV recently.
My time is much too valuable to waste. I was looking for help and a spineless, worthless troll like you decided to attack. Bet'cha that would NEVER happen with you in real life.
Yeah whatever I see you edited all of your initial posts that got you the reaction to begin with. Nice try.
If you had so much fun disrespecting me here, just think of how much fun you would have disrespecting me in person! I'm willing to have a personal pow-wow with you so we can see how that fares for you. How about you? Do you back up your BS in person? Or are you as much of a wimp in person as I suspect you to be?
Calling out your man bun is hardly an attack.
I don't have a man bun, stupid. We already covered that, try to keep up.
Have you ever tried a man bun? It might be a good look for you. Unless you have moobs, in which case it just confuses people. 😘
@Coinscratch said:
The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it...
If you already knew this then why are you even bothering?
Because like I said you sole purpose was/is to troll to get a reaction. Saw that trick on TV recently.
My time is much too valuable to waste. I was looking for help and a spineless, worthless troll like you decided to attack. Bet'cha that would NEVER happen with you in real life.
Who is the "keyboard warrior" now?
That question can be answered. We can easily find that out by meeting in person so you can take a swing and see what happens next.
A response which proves that the "keyboard warrior" lives in the mirror. No one here threatened you. And even if you could beat up the entire forum, you would STILL have a plated copper cent. So what, exactly, is the point other than you trying to provoke us?
I think I'm done trying to be helpful. Have fun.
No one here is capable of threatening me. trolling however is a different matter.
I count a 20 on 1 dog-pile at this point and I do mean dogs.
@Coinscratch said:
What happened to your pretty little penny
It's up your trick-mother's stank whazoo. I deposited the shiny penny there as a tip for services rendered, that's about all she's worth. You can keep it if you're willing to get in there and fish it out, if it can be found in that cavern.
@braddick said:
Simple lesson in life- perhaps a wonderful teachable moment for the OP:
You get what you give.
No. the lesson reinforces what I already heard from a coin collector/dealer confessing in confidence in referring to coin dealers and coin people in general: "We're pure scum, there's nothing we won't do to make a buck. Coin people would sell their mother's soul to the Devil for a dollar and send it C.O.D". He was 100% right. What a mistake posting here amongst scum.
@braddick said:
Simple lesson in life- perhaps a wonderful teachable moment for the OP:
You get what you give.
No. the lesson reinforces what I already heard from a coin collector/dealer confessing in confidence in referring to coin dealers and coin people in general: "We're pure scum, there's nothing we won't do to make a buck. Coin people would sell their mother's soul to the Devil for a dollar and send it C.O.D". He was 100% right. What a mistake posting here amongst scum.
@braddick said:
Simple lesson in life- perhaps a wonderful teachable moment for the OP:
You get what you give.
No. the lesson reinforces what I already heard from a coin collector/dealer confessing in confidence in referring to coin dealers and coin people in general: "We're pure scum, there's nothing we won't do to make a buck. Coin people would sell their mother's soul to the Devil for a dollar and send it C.O.D". He was 100% right. What a mistake posting here amongst scum.
So. . . not such a teachable moment.
You can't teach people who aren't willing to learn.
Interestingly, the only one who got his feelings hurt was our warrior troll who has done pretty much everything he accused others of doing.
When you post a question about a coin or coins, it's worth remembering that the people giving you answers--unless it is specifically about an NGC policy matter or submission--are volunteer hobbyists who do this for fun. They are not speaking for NGC; they speak only for themselves, and they want to help people. When you do a good job of posting your inquiry, you increase your chances of helpful replies, because you show respect for the volunteers' time.
Post clear photos of the entire obverse, reverse, and if necessary the edge. If need be, add zoomed photos of specific features, but always clear shots of both full sides.
Your "silver" non-1943 penny is plated, replated, has had the plating come off, is altered, or somesuch.
Get defensive when told your pics are not good. Maybe you're bad at photography; maybe you don't have a good camera; maybe the photography gods just don't like you. If you can do better, do so. If you cannot do better, than just accept that this limits how much we can help you.
*Get annoyed if you don't like the answers. If you disagree with them, fine; act on your views.
All VERY applicable to this thread, were only trying to help, and like the list says, we are volunteer hobbyists and we do not get paid to spend time trying to help you.
How can I agree or disagree when the most basic of all questions has been completely ignored either accidentally or by design because it flies contrary to the snap judgement made in post #2.
Here it is again.
How does PLATING a LHC REDUCE its thickness by 10 to 15%? The coin is about halfway between the thickness of a dime and a penny, but slightly closer to the thickness of a dime than a copper penny.
In this universe, ADDING a layer of something to a penny should make it thicker, not 10 to 15% thinner. And why is the coin slightly oblong and not uniformly circular like all the other pennies I can find to overlay it? Physics gone wild?
The cent could have been struck on a slightly thin planchet (the piece of metal that a coin is struck on). Plating can also be micro-thin, to the point that it is almost nonexistent. I would say that it was probably struck on a planchet of slightly below average weight, and then was plated with mercury, during a time when hardly anyone knew that mercury was poisonous. Hope this helps.
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Not that it matters but the forum is not owned or operated by the members.
I'm not annoyed. STILL, no one has answered the most basic question of all. HOW does a PLATED coin become 10 to 15% THINNER. And HOW does plating cause a coin to be oblong rather than uniformly circular like any other Lincoln cent. Why does no one seem willing to answer that? Y'all are geniuses and all the "outsiders" are stupid. That should be an easy one to explain?
Adding a microscopically thin layer of another metal won't change the thickness at all.
The thickness of cents vary quite a bit over the years and between coins of the same year due to rim differences. There are occasionally rolled thin planchets that are out of specifications but that is more obvious in the weight.
I'm not sure why you don't weigh it.
Don't take it personally. 3 or 4 of "you" pop up every week. 99.99% of them have specifications what we tell them they have. More than half of them argue with us and disappear. 0.01% have something unusual. 0.00001% of them have something valuable. So, some of the members start out a bit salty.
The weight will be irrelevant to compare it to a 3.1 gram COPPER penny because the coin is not the same size as a standard 3.1 gram copper penny.
The coin is slightly oblong, not perfectly round, and most importantly, the coin is 10 to 15% THINNER than a normal copper penny.
Now, if a penny sized (diameter and thickness) copper coin weighs 3.1 grams, and a penny sized piece of silver weighs 3.63 grams (given that silver weighs 1.1717 X more than copper, a silver penny that is 85% the thickness of a normal penny SHOULD weigh 3.08 to 3.1 grams.
So this weighing about the same as a copper penny is a moot point BECAUSE it's about 85% the thickness of a normal copper penny, understand?
This disparity in thickness, by up to 15% disqualifies the weight alone as the deciding factor, unless considering that at 85% the size AND WEIGHING THE SAME, it can be concluded that the material is obviously heavier, as is silver. The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it
Serious question: Could the cent have been flattened at one time? That could account for the oblonging, as that metal has to go someplace. Weighing it would quickly prove or disprove this theory.
Obviously the link below is an extreme example, but you get the point about how thinning a coin oblongs it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elongated_coin
My Carson City Morgan Registry Set
The only way to know for sure is to have a metallurgist analyze it...
If you already knew this then why are you even bothering?
Because like I said you sole purpose was/is to troll to get a reaction. Saw that trick on TV recently.
Coins are NOT struck oblong. Even if they are, they are stuck on uniform planchets. As such, regardless of shape, the weight DOES NOT CHANGE.
While it is possible that the weight will not tell you anything definitive, especially since you don't want to believe 30 people who each have more experience than you, it might be definitive and put an end to all the speculation. Respectfully, your refusal to weigh it borders on trolling. You've spent more time arguing why you shouldn't weigh it than it would take to weigh it.
The coin is markedly thinner than a copper penny. It's about 10% shy of the halfway point in thickness between a dime and a penny, about 85% the thickness of a penny and about 10% greater than the thickness of a dime. The thickness is perfectly uniform, it is not thicker or thinner in certain areas. Some of the edges look "sort of like" the coins I see being labeled "struck on dime planchet", but to a more subtle degree.
I can't imagine how plating a coin would cause it to become thinner by as much as 10 to 15% rather than thicker.
Since the date was 1955, if it were a dime planchet, it would most certainly be silver. Take it to a local coin shop and have them test it on a Sigma that they use to test for counterfeit silver and gold coins. If it tests positive for 90% silver, you have your answer.
https://www.sigmametalytics.com/
My Carson City Morgan Registry Set
Although the photograph of the coin in the Mylar, 2 x 2 has been removed,
I did not see anything in the photo that indicated weakness of the strike due to the planchet
being up to 15% thinner than a normal plant it or struck a coin.
I know that the third time isn’t always the charm, but for the third time, your cent is a common copper cent that has been plated.. Please weigh it. And report the weight to us – I think you owe us that.
for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
My time is much too valuable to waste. I was looking for help and a spineless, worthless troll like you decided to attack. Bet'cha that would NEVER happen with you in real life.
Once you measure the mass, density, and composition, let us know the results.
You've been so combative and dismissive of the input you've received that I shouldn't even bother, but...
The height of the rim does not reflect thickness of the coin. A thinner rum might be the result of wear or a lighter strike.
And, weight is critical. If it weighs the same as a silver dime then it was likely struck on a dime planchet.
I will, thank you.
Yeah, I must simply be an ingrate because everyone here has been so welcoming and pleasant to me.
Bingo. Thank you. The simple answer instead of trolling like most of the forum members did.
Yeah whatever
I see you edited all of your initial posts that got you the reaction to begin with. Nice try.
If you had so much fun disrespecting me here, just think of how much fun you would have disrespecting me in person! I'm willing to have a personal pow-wow with you so we can see how that fares for you. How about you? Do you back up your BS in person? Or are you as much of a wimp in person as I suspect you to be?
Who is the "keyboard warrior" now?
That question can be answered. We can easily find that out by meeting in person so you can take a swing and see what happens next.
Bingo. Weighing it is easier and would likely give you the same information.
Most of the forum actually tried to be helpful, including numerous people asking you to weigh it.
By the way, none of the coin shops in my town have a sigma and only half of them have XRF guns. So they may actually just weigh it for you and tell you exactly what we did.
Calling out your man bun is hardly an attack.
I get it. Everyone here is automatically BETTER than I am. Superior in every way, right? Let's put it to the test where it COUNTS. Face to face, I always say. The world is real. This is not. Or milquetoasts such as yourself wouldn't be trolling and confrontational with people they know nothing about.
A response which proves that the "keyboard warrior" lives in the mirror. No one here threatened you. And even if you could beat up the entire forum, you would STILL have a plated copper cent. So what, exactly, is the point other than you trying to provoke us?
I think I'm done trying to be helpful. Have fun.
This is a waste of time.
If anyone here would like to have a personal sit down with me to attack me IN PERSON, just let me know. I'm all for it.
I don't have a man bun, stupid. We already covered that, try to keep up.
Yeah, I don't know how popular they are. I just know that the only coin shop local to me has one. I've seen the owner testing silver rounds that people come in to sell.
My Carson City Morgan Registry Set
When exactly did i confront you? I've been nothing but helpful.
Everyone here is not "better" than you. However, everyone here has more numismatic experience.
I have been called many things over the years. Milquetoast was never one of them. Thanks for the laughs.
Have you ever tried a man bun? It might be a good look for you. Unless you have moobs, in which case it just confuses people. 😘
No one here is capable of threatening me. trolling however is a different matter.
I count a 20 on 1 dog-pile at this point and I do mean dogs.
What happened to your pretty little penny
Dude, please weigh the coin. Humor us trolls and prove us all fulla s*^t. And please repost the pic, I never saw it. Thank you.
Simple lesson in life- perhaps a wonderful teachable moment for the OP:
You get what you give.
peacockcoins
It's up your trick-mother's stank whazoo. I deposited the shiny penny there as a tip for services rendered, that's about all she's worth. You can keep it if you're willing to get in there and fish it out, if it can be found in that cavern.
Case in point.
peacockcoins
Boy oh boy, a thread titled "w" with 91 posts! I can't wait to see what's inside!
Young Numismatist • My Toned Coins
Life is roadblocks. Don't let nothing stop you, 'cause we ain't stopping. - DJ Khaled
No. the lesson reinforces what I already heard from a coin collector/dealer confessing in confidence in referring to coin dealers and coin people in general: "We're pure scum, there's nothing we won't do to make a buck. Coin people would sell their mother's soul to the Devil for a dollar and send it C.O.D". He was 100% right. What a mistake posting here amongst scum.
So. . . not such a teachable moment.
peacockcoins
You can't teach people who aren't willing to learn.
Interestingly, the only one who got his feelings hurt was our warrior troll who has done pretty much everything he accused others of doing.
Hopefully he's having fun.
Well boys there you have it. I could spot that one a mile away. And to think I thought I had a bad day.
The cent could have been struck on a slightly thin planchet (the piece of metal that a coin is struck on). Plating can also be micro-thin, to the point that it is almost nonexistent. I would say that it was probably struck on a planchet of slightly below average weight, and then was plated with mercury, during a time when hardly anyone knew that mercury was poisonous. Hope this helps.
God bless all who believe in him. Do unto others what you expect to be done to you. Dubbed a "Committee Secret Agent" by @mr1931S on 7/23/24. Founding member of CU Anti-Troll League since 9/24/24.
The posters above are all quality individuals. You just have to understand that we all appreciate it when someone listens to sound advice.
God bless all who believe in him. Do unto others what you expect to be done to you. Dubbed a "Committee Secret Agent" by @mr1931S on 7/23/24. Founding member of CU Anti-Troll League since 9/24/24.