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Bambino1

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coinbuf

Plated, value 1 cent.

Manifest_Destiny

Plated

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Manifest_Destiny

Weigh it. Penny = 3.1g - Silver Dime = 2.5g

JBK

@Bambino1 said:

@coinbuf said:
Plated, value 1 cent.

Thank you, but why does that bottom edge look unlike any other penny I can find, and would there be a weight difference between a silver and a copper penny?

We're at a huge disadvantage because the photos aren't really in focus and they were taken through a layer of Mylar.

If the coin is plated then it has no value, and if it is struck on a dime planchet then it deserves to be in a much better holder than an old 2x2 with rusty staples. So, why not remove it and get a weight and better photos. (Be careful handling it - the plating could be mercury).

johnny9434

Plated for sure

291fifth

Beware because it may have been dipped in mercury.

JWP

I agree - plated. No real value- just a novelty coin IMHO.

mr1931S

Probably plated with Hg. Drop it in a beaker with a little concentrated HNO3 for a few seconds and the plating will come right off. Rinse off the penny in water after you have done this. Spend or keep the penny for your collection. The choice is yours.

FredWeinberg

Plated

AUandAG

As a kid in Redwood City, CA, the neighbor boy and I coated lots of cents in Mercury. His Dad was a Dentist and had a flask of Mercury and let us experiment and play with it (not too smart, eh?). Might be one that we plated back then (mid 50's).
bob

divecchia

Below is a YouTube video that shows one way to change a copper cent to a silver color and them a gold color. There are other ways that this can be done. This is showing just one of them.

Donato

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HafE177cV_o

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FredWeinberg

A copper cent of that date weighs
3.1 grams
Weigh your cent on an accurate digital scale and it will weigh 3.1 or possibly 3.2 g due to the plating – real simple

coinbuf

@Bambino1 said:

@Manifest_Destiny said:
Weigh it. Penny = 3.1g - Silver Dime = 2.5g

Understandably, a dime is far smaller than a penny. Why would I want to compare the weight of a penny-sized coin to a dime sized one? Wouldn't I need to know what a PENNY-SIZED amount of silver weighs in comparison to a PENNY-SIZED amount of copper weight?

The problem with your thought process is that the mint would not have made/had a cent sized silver blank. So there is no way to know the weight of a cent sized silver blank. There have been instances where a dime planchet has gotten mixed up with cent planchets and thus struck with cent dies, that is what was being suggested.

However, when that does happen some of the design is lost as the dime planchet is smaller than a cent planchet. As your coin shows full details and lettering/numbers that is not possible here.

Manifest_Destiny

@Bambino1 said:

@Manifest_Destiny said:
Weigh it. Penny = 3.1g - Silver Dime = 2.5g

Understandably, a dime is far smaller than a penny. Why would I want to compare the weight of a penny-sized coin to a dime sized one? Wouldn't I need to know what a PENNY-SIZED amount of silver weighs in comparison to a PENNY-SIZED amount of copper weight?

Stands to reason, right? Why wouldn't a copper dime-sized coin weigh less than a copper OR penny-sized coin.

That's the way the laws of physics work in this universe, as far as I understand it anyway.

So the question would be: what should a penny made of silver weigh? rather than: what does a dime weigh?

Isn't that right?

No, that's actually the wrong assumption if you understand the minting process. It would weigh the same as a dime because the only way it would be made of silver is if it was accidentally struck on a dime planchet.

One exception would be if the mint was striking foreign silver coins at that time (which I don't know) and a foreign silver planchet was struck. In that case you would need to know the weight of the foreign silver coin.

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FredWeinberg

It’s still a plated copper cent.

The Mint did not make, nor need to experiment with, silver cent size
Planchets- A fun thought process, but completely unrelated to the coin at hand

JBK

@Bambino1 said:

@FredWeinberg said:
A copper cent of that date weighs
3.1 grams
Weigh your cent on an accurate digital scale and it will weigh 3.1 or possibly 3.2 g due to the plating – real simple

What would a solid SILVER penny weigh? Isn't that the main question?

Not a silver dime. Not a silver or zinc coated penny. But what should that 3.1 gram copper coin weigh if it was made of silver and not copper?

Even using google, I can't find an answer for this. Every result gives a weight for a silver DIME, which has no bearing on what the weight would be for a coin the size of a penny made of silver. If there's an answer to that on the internet I haven't been able to find it. Just the weight of dimes and the no-brainer answer that, "A silver dime weighs less than a penny", which although isn't much of surprise, certainly doesn't answer the question of how much a silver penny would weight in comparison to a copper one.

You are weighing to see if it was struck on a silver dime planchet, in which case it would be the same weight as a silver dime.

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Manifest_Destiny

@Bambino1 said:

@JBK said:

@Bambino1 said:

@FredWeinberg said:
A copper cent of that date weighs
3.1 grams
Weigh your cent on an accurate digital scale and it will weigh 3.1 or possibly 3.2 g due to the plating – real simple

What would a solid SILVER penny weigh? Isn't that the main question?

Not a silver dime. Not a silver or zinc coated penny. But what should that 3.1 gram copper coin weigh if it was made of silver and not copper?

Even using google, I can't find an answer for this. Every result gives a weight for a silver DIME, which has no bearing on what the weight would be for a coin the size of a penny made of silver. If there's an answer to that on the internet I haven't been able to find it. Just the weight of dimes and the no-brainer answer that, "A silver dime weighs less than a penny", which although isn't much of surprise, certainly doesn't answer the question of how much a silver penny would weight in comparison to a copper one.

You are weighing to see if it was struck on a silver dime planchet, in which case it would be the same weight as a silver dime.

The coin is smaller and thinner than the LHCs by a factor of about .85 to .9! I just stacked the silver one between two copper LHCs. I should scan them size by side and then another image overlapped!

JBK

@Bambino1 said:

@JBK said:

@Bambino1 said:

@FredWeinberg said:
A copper cent of that date weighs
3.1 grams
Weigh your cent on an accurate digital scale and it will weigh 3.1 or possibly 3.2 g due to the plating – real simple

What would a solid SILVER penny weigh? Isn't that the main question?

Not a silver dime. Not a silver or zinc coated penny. But what should that 3.1 gram copper coin weigh if it was made of silver and not copper?

Even using google, I can't find an answer for this. Every result gives a weight for a silver DIME, which has no bearing on what the weight would be for a coin the size of a penny made of silver. If there's an answer to that on the internet I haven't been able to find it. Just the weight of dimes and the no-brainer answer that, "A silver dime weighs less than a penny", which although isn't much of surprise, certainly doesn't answer the question of how much a silver penny would weight in comparison to a copper one.

You are weighing to see if it was struck on a silver dime planchet, in which case it would be the same weight as a silver dime.

But it's not dime sized. It's full sized when compared to other LHCs. As I figured out by referencing the weight of copper vs. silver, silver is 1.1717 X the weight of copper, so a coin the same size as a LHC (3.1 grams in copper) would weigh 3.63 grams if made entirely of silver regardless of the strike if talking only about the relative weight of the two metals.

If you are referring to diameter then that's not abnormal. The planchet spreads out when struck. If it is close to the appropriate diameter to start with then it will spread out to become the proper diameter.

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Coinscratch

This guy was just looking for trouble. He comes to the board asking for expert advice then he gets it from several people and then disagrees with it and argues about it. Then someone posts a funny meme and he gets his feelings hurt? Wow!
lol

MFeld

@Bambino1 said:

@JBK said:

@Bambino1 said:

@FredWeinberg said:
A copper cent of that date weighs
3.1 grams
Weigh your cent on an accurate digital scale and it will weigh 3.1 or possibly 3.2 g due to the plating – real simple

What would a solid SILVER penny weigh? Isn't that the main question?

Not a silver dime. Not a silver or zinc coated penny. But what should that 3.1 gram copper coin weigh if it was made of silver and not copper?

Even using google, I can't find an answer for this. Every result gives a weight for a silver DIME, which has no bearing on what the weight would be for a coin the size of a penny made of silver. If there's an answer to that on the internet I haven't been able to find it. Just the weight of dimes and the no-brainer answer that, "A silver dime weighs less than a penny", which although isn't much of surprise, certainly doesn't answer the question of how much a silver penny would weight in comparison to a copper one.

You are weighing to see if it was struck on a silver dime planchet, in which case it would be the same weight as a silver dime.

But it's not dime sized. It's full sized when compared to other LHCs. As I figured out by referencing the weight of copper vs. silver, silver is 1.1717 X the weight of copper, so a coin the same size as a LHC (3.1 grams in copper) would weigh 3.63 grams if made entirely of silver regardless of the strike if talking only about the relative weight of the two metals.

It’s already been suggested that you weigh the coin. So why not do so and see if it weighs just 3.1 grams (or slightly above that, due to plating) or considerably more?

JBK

The OP started off with "Any input is greatly appreciated, I am not a coin guy" but then proceeded to reject all input.

The coin is plated. There is the slightest of theoretical possibilities that it was struck on a dime planchet, which is why people provided details on that scenario, as well. Those are the options.

Manifest_Destiny

@Bambino1 said:

@Manifest_Destiny said:

@Bambino1 said:

@JBK said:

@Bambino1 said:

@FredWeinberg said:
A copper cent of that date weighs
3.1 grams
Weigh your cent on an accurate digital scale and it will weigh 3.1 or possibly 3.2 g due to the plating – real simple

What would a solid SILVER penny weigh? Isn't that the main question?

Not a silver dime. Not a silver or zinc coated penny. But what should that 3.1 gram copper coin weigh if it was made of silver and not copper?

Even using google, I can't find an answer for this. Every result gives a weight for a silver DIME, which has no bearing on what the weight would be for a coin the size of a penny made of silver. If there's an answer to that on the internet I haven't been able to find it. Just the weight of dimes and the no-brainer answer that, "A silver dime weighs less than a penny", which although isn't much of surprise, certainly doesn't answer the question of how much a silver penny would weight in comparison to a copper one.

You are weighing to see if it was struck on a silver dime planchet, in which case it would be the same weight as a silver dime.

The coin is smaller and thinner than the LHCs by a factor of about .85 to .9! I just stacked the silver one between two copper LHCs. I should scan them size by side and then another image overlapped!

If your image was posted as an insult, which I assume it was, I take exception to it and I won't be back on this message board.

What a great idea it is for members of long standing here to run off people asking questions. Just tell anyone who posts that they are unwelcome here and be done with it. Get right to the point. Only on the internet do folks who would never dream of confronting a man face to face disrespect others so cavalierly.

Coinscratch

Got Scissors!

jmlanzaf

@Manifest_Destiny said:

@Bambino1 said:

@Manifest_Destiny said:

@Bambino1 said:

@JBK said:

@Bambino1 said:

@FredWeinberg said:
A copper cent of that date weighs
3.1 grams
Weigh your cent on an accurate digital scale and it will weigh 3.1 or possibly 3.2 g due to the plating – real simple

What would a solid SILVER penny weigh? Isn't that the main question?

Not a silver dime. Not a silver or zinc coated penny. But what should that 3.1 gram copper coin weigh if it was made of silver and not copper?

Even using google, I can't find an answer for this. Every result gives a weight for a silver DIME, which has no bearing on what the weight would be for a coin the size of a penny made of silver. If there's an answer to that on the internet I haven't been able to find it. Just the weight of dimes and the no-brainer answer that, "A silver dime weighs less than a penny", which although isn't much of surprise, certainly doesn't answer the question of how much a silver penny would weight in comparison to a copper one.

You are weighing to see if it was struck on a silver dime planchet, in which case it would be the same weight as a silver dime.

The coin is smaller and thinner than the LHCs by a factor of about .85 to .9! I just stacked the silver one between two copper LHCs. I should scan them size by side and then another image overlapped!

If your image was posted as an insult, which I assume it was, I take exception to it and I won't be back on this message board.

What a great idea it is for members of long standing here to run off people asking questions. Just tell anyone who posts that they are unwelcome here and be done with it. Get right to the point. Only on the internet do folks who would never dream of confronting a man face to face disrespect others so cavalierly.

>

Why would you judge the entire forum based on the behavior of one person. There is not a single place on the internet where you will not find at least one wonky member, including Mother Theresa's House of Sorrows.

Bambino1

@Manifest_Destiny said:

@Bambino1 said:

@Manifest_Destiny said:

@Bambino1 said:

@JBK said:

@Bambino1 said:

@FredWeinberg said:
A copper cent of that date weighs
3.1 grams
Weigh your cent on an accurate digital scale and it will weigh 3.1 or possibly 3.2 g due to the plating – real simple

What would a solid SILVER penny weigh? Isn't that the main question?

Not a silver dime. Not a silver or zinc coated penny. But what should that 3.1 gram copper coin weigh if it was made of silver and not copper?

Even using google, I can't find an answer for this. Every result gives a weight for a silver DIME, which has no bearing on what the weight would be for a coin the size of a penny made of silver. If there's an answer to that on the internet I haven't been able to find it. Just the weight of dimes and the no-brainer answer that, "A silver dime weighs less than a penny", which although isn't much of surprise, certainly doesn't answer the question of how much a silver penny would weight in comparison to a copper one.

You are weighing to see if it was struck on a silver dime planchet, in which case it would be the same weight as a silver dime.

The coin is smaller and thinner than the LHCs by a factor of about .85 to .9! I just stacked the silver one between two copper LHCs. I should scan them size by side and then another image overlapped!

If your image was posted as an insult, which I assume it was, I take exception to it and I won't be back on this message board.

What a great idea it is for members of long standing here to run off people asking questions. Just tell anyone who posts that they are unwelcome here and be done with it. Get right to the point. Only on the internet do folks who would never dream of confronting a man face to face disrespect others so cavalierly.

Looks like you're the big winner for today. I was the one asking questions, nothing more, and you're the one, if anyone, that was looking for trouble.

And just what did you win, in trying to run off a collector with thousands of vintage items from a 150 year old family estate, some of which may have had great value and been interesting for all to see? If nothing can possibly have any value whatsoever unless one of y'all own it and people with questions about items should keep it to themselves because it's all garbage anyway what's the point of accepting new registrants to the forum?

Coinscratch

Blah blah blau...

DocBenjamin

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Manifest_Destiny

@jmlanzaf said:

@Manifest_Destiny said:

@Bambino1 said:

@Manifest_Destiny said:

@Bambino1 said:

@JBK said:

@Bambino1 said:

@FredWeinberg said:
A copper cent of that date weighs
3.1 grams
Weigh your cent on an accurate digital scale and it will weigh 3.1 or possibly 3.2 g due to the plating – real simple

What would a solid SILVER penny weigh? Isn't that the main question?

Not a silver dime. Not a silver or zinc coated penny. But what should that 3.1 gram copper coin weigh if it was made of silver and not copper?

Even using google, I can't find an answer for this. Every result gives a weight for a silver DIME, which has no bearing on what the weight would be for a coin the size of a penny made of silver. If there's an answer to that on the internet I haven't been able to find it. Just the weight of dimes and the no-brainer answer that, "A silver dime weighs less than a penny", which although isn't much of surprise, certainly doesn't answer the question of how much a silver penny would weight in comparison to a copper one.

You are weighing to see if it was struck on a silver dime planchet, in which case it would be the same weight as a silver dime.

The coin is smaller and thinner than the LHCs by a factor of about .85 to .9! I just stacked the silver one between two copper LHCs. I should scan them size by side and then another image overlapped!

If your image was posted as an insult, which I assume it was, I take exception to it and I won't be back on this message board.

What a great idea it is for members of long standing here to run off people asking questions. Just tell anyone who posts that they are unwelcome here and be done with it. Get right to the point. Only on the internet do folks who would never dream of confronting a man face to face disrespect others so cavalierly.

>

Why would you judge the entire forum based on the behavior of one person. There is not a single place on the internet where you will not find at least one wonky member, including Mother Theresa's House of Sorrows.

Bambino1

@Coinscratch said:
Got Scissors!

I don't have a man bun, do you?

PeakRarities

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1107307/newposters-read-this-before-posting#latest

@Bambino1 - suggest you take a look at this

Bambino1

@Coinscratch said:
Blah blah blau...

What's blau? You ran out of blahs?

Manifest_Destiny

@Bambino1 said:

@Manifest_Destiny said:

@Bambino1 said:

@Manifest_Destiny said:

@Bambino1 said:

@JBK said:

@Bambino1 said:

@FredWeinberg said:
A copper cent of that date weighs
3.1 grams
Weigh your cent on an accurate digital scale and it will weigh 3.1 or possibly 3.2 g due to the plating – real simple

What would a solid SILVER penny weigh? Isn't that the main question?

Not a silver dime. Not a silver or zinc coated penny. But what should that 3.1 gram copper coin weigh if it was made of silver and not copper?

Even using google, I can't find an answer for this. Every result gives a weight for a silver DIME, which has no bearing on what the weight would be for a coin the size of a penny made of silver. If there's an answer to that on the internet I haven't been able to find it. Just the weight of dimes and the no-brainer answer that, "A silver dime weighs less than a penny", which although isn't much of surprise, certainly doesn't answer the question of how much a silver penny would weight in comparison to a copper one.

You are weighing to see if it was struck on a silver dime planchet, in which case it would be the same weight as a silver dime.

The coin is smaller and thinner than the LHCs by a factor of about .85 to .9! I just stacked the silver one between two copper LHCs. I should scan them size by side and then another image overlapped!

If your image was posted as an insult, which I assume it was, I take exception to it and I won't be back on this message board.

What a great idea it is for members of long standing here to run off people asking questions. Just tell anyone who posts that they are unwelcome here and be done with it. Get right to the point. Only on the internet do folks who would never dream of confronting a man face to face disrespect others so cavalierly.

Looks like you're the big winner for today. I was the one asking questions, nothing more, and you're the one, if anyone, that was looking for trouble.

And just what did you win, in trying to run off a collector with thousands of vintage items from a 150 year old family estate, some of which may have had great value and been interesting for all to see? If nothing can possibly have any value whatsoever unless one of y'all own it and people with questions about items should keep it to themselves because it's all garbage anyway what's the point of accepting new registrants to the forum?

You have my official invitation to stick around.

PeakRarities

@Bambino1 said:

@PeakRarities said:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1107307/newposters-read-this-before-posting#latest

@Bambino1 - suggest you take a look at this

What does it say? Don't stand up for yourself? Just lay down and be a doormat. Boy oh boy do y'all have the wrong guy for that.

Thats not at all what it says, did you read it?

PeakRarities

• When you post a question about a coin or coins, it's worth remembering that the people giving you answers--unless it is specifically about an NGC policy matter or submission--are volunteer hobbyists who do this for fun. They are not speaking for NGC; they speak only for themselves, and they want to help people. When you do a good job of posting your inquiry, you increase your chances of helpful replies, because you show respect for the volunteers' time.

• Post clear photos of the entire obverse, reverse, and if necessary the edge. If need be, add zoomed photos of specific features, but always clear shots of both full sides.

• Your "silver" non-1943 penny is plated, replated, has had the plating come off, is altered, or somesuch.

• Get defensive when told your pics are not good. Maybe you're bad at photography; maybe you don't have a good camera; maybe the photography gods just don't like you. If you can do better, do so. If you cannot do better, than just accept that this limits how much we can help you.

*Get annoyed if you don't like the answers. If you disagree with them, fine; act on your views.

All VERY applicable to this thread, were only trying to help, and like the list says, we are volunteer hobbyists and we do not get paid to spend time trying to help you.

Coinscratch

Oh yea, welcome to the Blah Blah blau, lol.

Bambino1

@DocBenjamin said:
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NOW you've got the right idea. Join the club!

braddick

I was originally going to comment to the OP not to handle it too much as I do agree with 291fifth and it may well be plated/coated in mercury, and to use caution as low-level, long-term exposure can cause irritability, and personality changes.

Now, upon reflection, perhaps that advice is much too late.

Bambino1

@PeakRarities said:

• When you post a question about a coin or coins, it's worth remembering that the people giving you answers--unless it is specifically about an NGC policy matter or submission--are volunteer hobbyists who do this for fun. They are not speaking for NGC; they speak only for themselves, and they want to help people. When you do a good job of posting your inquiry, you increase your chances of helpful replies, because you show respect for the volunteers' time.

• Post clear photos of the entire obverse, reverse, and if necessary the edge. If need be, add zoomed photos of specific features, but always clear shots of both full sides.

• Your "silver" non-1943 penny is plated, replated, has had the plating come off, is altered, or somesuch.

• Get defensive when told your pics are not good. Maybe you're bad at photography; maybe you don't have a good camera; maybe the photography gods just don't like you. If you can do better, do so. If you cannot do better, than just accept that this limits how much we can help you.

*Get annoyed if you don't like the answers. If you disagree with them, fine; act on your views.

All VERY applicable to this thread, were only trying to help, and like the list says, we are volunteer hobbyists and we do not get paid to spend time trying to help you.

How can I agree or disagree when the most basic of all questions has been completely ignored either accidentally or by design because it flies contrary to the snap judgement made in post #2.

Here it is again.

How does PLATING a LHC REDUCE its thickness by 10 to 15%? The coin is about halfway between the thickness of a dime and a penny, but slightly closer to the thickness of a dime than a copper penny.

In this universe, ADDING a layer of something to a penny should make it thicker, not 10 to 15% thinner. And why is the coin slightly oblong and not uniformly circular like all the other pennies I can find to overlay it? Physics gone wild?

Bambino1

@JBK said:

@Bambino1 said:

@JBK said:

@Bambino1 said:

@FredWeinberg said:
A copper cent of that date weighs
3.1 grams
Weigh your cent on an accurate digital scale and it will weigh 3.1 or possibly 3.2 g due to the plating – real simple

What would a solid SILVER penny weigh? Isn't that the main question?

Not a silver dime. Not a silver or zinc coated penny. But what should that 3.1 gram copper coin weigh if it was made of silver and not copper?

Even using google, I can't find an answer for this. Every result gives a weight for a silver DIME, which has no bearing on what the weight would be for a coin the size of a penny made of silver. If there's an answer to that on the internet I haven't been able to find it. Just the weight of dimes and the no-brainer answer that, "A silver dime weighs less than a penny", which although isn't much of surprise, certainly doesn't answer the question of how much a silver penny would weight in comparison to a copper one.

You are weighing to see if it was struck on a silver dime planchet, in which case it would be the same weight as a silver dime.

But it's not dime sized. It's full sized when compared to other LHCs. As I figured out by referencing the weight of copper vs. silver, silver is 1.1717 X the weight of copper, so a coin the same size as a LHC (3.1 grams in copper) would weigh 3.63 grams if made entirely of silver regardless of the strike if talking only about the relative weight of the two metals.

If you are referring to diameter then that's not abnormal. The planchet spreads out when struck. If it is close to the appropriate diameter to start with then it will spread out to become the proper diameter.

The diameter IS abnormal. It's oblong and not uniformly circular. This is most evident when overlain with any other copper penny.

MFeld

Why have you not weighed the coin? Do you think its weight is irrelevant?

M4Madness

Your best bet is to submit it to PCGS for grading, then you'll get your answer. It'll either be attributed as some sort of error or it'll come back as a genuine 1955 cent. Good luck.

Bambino1

@braddick said:
I was originally going to comment to the OP not to handle it too much as I do agree with 291fifth and it may well be plated/coated in mercury, and to use caution as low-level, long-term exposure can cause irritability, and personality changes.

Now, upon reflection, perhaps that advice is much too late.

Yeah, that's the cause. Mercury intoxication. My attitude has absolutely nothing to do with being attacked and trolled 15 on 1. Funny thing is, I would accept those odds on the street, where it really counts, just as quickly as I do here where it really doesn't matter because it's just a bunch of keyboard warriors piling on remotely. Would you?