I once had a 1969 [Philadelphia] dime that was an early die state and it was proof-like. Many years ago I could only get a few dollars for it, even though it looked a lot like this 1969 [no S] "proof".
The '69 comes ugly even in the mint set but a few are just stunning, and only a few more are nice Gems. Yet there is no demand for nice ones, ugly ones, or any in between because somehow people got it in their heads these are all common. Soon the last of the circulating '69 dimes will be gone and they will be hard to find in any condition at all.
I can only imagine what the '75 dime will be worth if there are lots of collectors in the future and they can't even find a half decent chBU '69.
I always assumed moderns would get attention from the bottom up when people sought "common coins" like an nice XF '69 dime. Maybe it will instead happen from the top down when they realize a dirt common '75 dime is worth half a million dollars. For all we know there might be safety deposit boxes full of coins like this.
@Maywood said: @wondercoin said: "Moderns” are coming into their own. It will just take time.
It seems that the Hobby terminology needs to change regarding where we delineate between what we call "classic", what we call "Modern" and what we call whatever falls between the two. When the term "Modern" was first applied to the subject coin it was about 35 years or less old, now it's 50 years old. At that same time, the 1955DDO was a "Classic" at about 50.
To me it would make sense to change the "Modern" line to mean coins struck after 1998 or thereabout to coincide with the time when the Mint co-opted circulating coinage.
What's in a word? When I started collecting in 1957 anything made after 1950 was "modern", a '50-D nickel was "classic" and a '16-D dime was "ancient".
Now I think of Egypt's so called 6th Dynasty and ALL coins as "modern".
@wondercoin said:
‘’Yep. Now we all wonder what it takes to get an exception stickered, like the 2003 PR64 Silver Rosie in the pop report.’’
I don’t wonder at all what it takes to get such a sticker. I highly assume this $10 widget getting a sticker was simply an honest mistake. Same as a single USPI Peso - the 1905 in PR65. That coin is a fairly valuable coin, but I’ve been told it was stickered by accident. A mistake every 2-5 years. I can personally live with that margin of error. I wish I made a mistake every 2-5 years, instead of nearly every day!
Wondercoin.
What is that old saying? “I thought I made a mistake, but I was mistaken.” 😉
The word "Modern" for the Hobby tends to be associated with when coinage changed from being at least partially struck in a precious metal and when it started to be struck in a clad composition. For PCGS at least that is 1965 and it makes sense to me. As for the Egyptian coins, that's a personal decision, the 1965 date tends to relate to US issues, but I think you know that and just choose to have a point to argue about. There are collectors who would argue your date choice because that seems to be what we do, argue about arbitrary things.
The word "Modern" for the Hobby tends to be associated with when coinage changed from being at least partially struck in a precious metal and when it started to be struck in a clad composition. For PCGS at least that is 1965 and it makes sense to me. As for the Egyptian coins, that's a personal decision, the 1965 date tends to relate to US issues, but I think you know that and just choose to have a point to argue about. There are collectors who would argue your date choice because that seems to be what we do, argue about arbitrary things.
I'll certainly argue just to argue but that wasn't my point in this instance.
The biggest dividing line in terms of the era in US coins is 1965 and probably will remain so until we either convert to gold or silver backed money or cease the use coinage altogether. The terms aren't as important as the referent and any term to apply to US coinage must respect the 1965 date. We could call them the silver or clad eras or come up with numerous other terms as well as some that split the Clad Era at 1998 as you suggest. So long as the division at 1965 is recognized I don't necessarily have a problem with any new terminology and might not even argue the point even if we agree for different reasons.
@cameonut2011 said:
I wonder who ended up buying it. It doesn’t look like it has been added to a registry set yet.
Does it match a registry set?
Just speculating, but I would think that, as @MFeld mentioned earlier, the buyer may be a "rarities only" type coin collector. Like Jerry Buss (former LA Lakers owner) with his 1913 Liberty Head, 94-S Barber dime, and 1804 dollar.
Just to change the subject, I saw a story about the coin on WGN’s Facebook page today and they illustrated it with the obverse of a 2003-P Dime!!!! I pity the poor coin shop employees!!!
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
If he wants to protect his credibility and integrity, he would operate in a more transparent and straightforward manner. If he wants to throw what he's built into the garbage and deviate practice from marketing materials and published policies, that is certainly his prerogative.
Sigh. Ah, the credibility and integrity police. I don't know of a single TPGS that is transparent. Do you? If I were JA (I could do this because I don't have his class), I would sticker a few dozen common Roosevelt dimes for an ad and say we don't do these so don't send any in as we will not sticker them.
PS I should imagine that a made man is one who can go anywhere, anytime; has nothing to prove or answer for; and cares nothing about what anyone thinks.
@Married2Coins said:
PS I should imagine that a made man is one who can go anywhere, anytime; has nothing to prove or answer for; and cares nothing about what anyone thinks.
I imagine that describes a homeless person as well.
@Married2Coins said:
PS I should imagine that a made man is one who can go anywhere, anytime; has nothing to prove or answer for; and cares nothing about what anyone thinks.
I imagine that describes a homeless person as well.
It's not until you've lost everything that you're free to do anything.
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@mr1931S said:
I can just see the bewilderment on the face of my non-collector friend were I to show him my 1975 no 'S' proof dime and then tell him how much I had to pay for it.
You can buy the 1975 dime with the "whispering S"; it will be the showpiece of your whispering collection.
Why you such a smartass?
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
@mr1931S said:
I can just see the bewilderment on the face of my non-collector friend were I to show him my 1975 no 'S' proof dime and then tell him how much I had to pay for it.
You can buy the 1975 dime with the "whispering S"; it will be the showpiece of your whispering collection.
@mr1931S said:
I can just see the bewilderment on the face of my non-collector friend were I to show him my 1975 no 'S' proof dime and then tell him how much I had to pay for it.
You can buy the 1975 dime with the "whispering S"; it will be the showpiece of your whispering collection.
Why you such a smartass?
Why are you so harsche?
You need a new comedy coach. Your material is tired, stale, well beyond it's expiration date.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
@mr1931S said:
I can just see the bewilderment on the face of my non-collector friend were I to show him my 1975 no 'S' proof dime and then tell him how much I had to pay for it.
You can buy the 1975 dime with the "whispering S"; it will be the showpiece of your whispering collection.
Why you such a smartass?
Why are you so harsche?
You need a new comedy coach. Your material is tired, stale, well beyond it's expiration date.
Finally hit the morning news, the weatherman said, "Shouldn't it be devalued if it's missing a letter like I guess if it had an extra S it would be more valuable? Like I don't know, it's a dime that's top of the line." the anchorman said, "Rare my friend, rare."
@Onastone said: Finally hit the morning news, the weatherman said, "Shouldn't it be devalued if it's missing a letter like I guess if it had an extra S it would be more valuable? Like I don't know, it's a dime that's top of the line." the anchorman said, "Rare my friend, rare."
Although we sometimes wish our Hobby got more mainstream exposure this is a good example why that might not be a good idea. Armed with ignorance such as this weatherman, there's probably more harm than good that comes of it.
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
Bigger coins, silver, artistic 20th century designs, huge collector base. Why doesn’t CAC sticker Roosevelt dimes. How many people post anything about Roosevelt dimes on this forum.
Do a poll and ask collectors if given $500,000 or so dollars, and they have a choice only of using it for this dime or the 1894S or 1893 S Morgan or a beautiful proof $10 or $20 gold coin. Your saying many or most collectors are spending it on this small clad dime? I am entitled to my opinion. Prove me wrong
One of the two coins I asked you about was the 1894-S dime. In case you weren’t aware, it’s not bigger than a 1975 dime. 😉
Additionally, I don’t hear many collectors talking about the artistic 20th century design of Barber dimes or their huge collector base. But that aside, due to the restricted population, hardly any collectors of Barber dimes pursue or buy an 1894-S. On the other hand, many collectors of rarities have interest in them. The same goes for the 1975 no-S dimes.
And please stop with bologna like “Prove me wrong”. If someone challenged you to do the same, how would you go about it even if you cared to try?
Just a slight counter point about rarity. There are hundreds of millions of 1975 dimes without mint marks, only a few shiny reflective ones. There is only an absolute few 1894s dimes. Date rarity vs finish rarity is a thing.
That said all market trends can often be overridden by a well managed promotion no?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
Bigger coins, silver, artistic 20th century designs, huge collector base. Why doesn’t CAC sticker Roosevelt dimes. How many people post anything about Roosevelt dimes on this forum.
Do a poll and ask collectors if given $500,000 or so dollars, and they have a choice only of using it for this dime or the 1894S or 1893 S Morgan or a beautiful proof $10 or $20 gold coin. Your saying many or most collectors are spending it on this small clad dime? I am entitled to my opinion. Prove me wrong
One of the two coins I asked you about was the 1894-S dime. In case you weren’t aware, it’s not bigger than a 1975 dime. 😉
Additionally, I don’t hear many collectors talking about the artistic 20th century design of Barber dimes or their huge collector base. But that aside, due to the restricted population, hardly any collectors of Barber dimes pursue or buy an 1894-S. On the other hand, many collectors of rarities have interest in them. The same goes for the 1975 no-S dimes.
And please stop with bologna like “Prove me wrong”. If someone challenged you to do the same, how would you go about it even if you cared to try?
Just a slight counter point about rarity. There are hundreds of millions of 1975 dimes without mint marks, only a few shiny reflective ones. There is only an absolute few 1894s dimes. Date rarity vs finish rarity is a thing.
That said all market trends can often be overridden by a well managed promotion no?
But a lot of 1894 dimes without the S...
Why is "finish" any less important than "mintmark"?
In the end - ~ 40,000 views with some 400 watching. I wonder how much more $ bidder #21 had on the table - it looks like bidder # 20 put one final bid in with 1 min left on the auction clock ?
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@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
Bigger coins, silver, artistic 20th century designs, huge collector base. Why doesn’t CAC sticker Roosevelt dimes. How many people post anything about Roosevelt dimes on this forum.
Do a poll and ask collectors if given $500,000 or so dollars, and they have a choice only of using it for this dime or the 1894S or 1893 S Morgan or a beautiful proof $10 or $20 gold coin. Your saying many or most collectors are spending it on this small clad dime? I am entitled to my opinion. Prove me wrong
One of the two coins I asked you about was the 1894-S dime. In case you weren’t aware, it’s not bigger than a 1975 dime. 😉
Additionally, I don’t hear many collectors talking about the artistic 20th century design of Barber dimes or their huge collector base. But that aside, due to the restricted population, hardly any collectors of Barber dimes pursue or buy an 1894-S. On the other hand, many collectors of rarities have interest in them. The same goes for the 1975 no-S dimes.
And please stop with bologna like “Prove me wrong”. If someone challenged you to do the same, how would you go about it even if you cared to try?
Just a slight counter point about rarity. There are hundreds of millions of 1975 dimes without mint marks, only a few shiny reflective ones. There is only an absolute few 1894s dimes. Date rarity vs finish rarity is a thing.
That said all market trends can often be overridden by a well managed promotion no?
But a lot of 1894 dimes without the S...
Why is "finish" any less important than "mintmark"?
Why are 1895 Morgans so much more expensive than 1896 proofs? Because more people’s OCD demands date fillers than MM fillers and those more so than finish fillers.
Also it should be noted without the provenance and story, they're a sub $1k PL examples. A 94-s dime speaks on it own merits in ways that coin can’t. Don’t get me wrong I love all coins but I sometimes think that modern coins are so common that collectors manufacture the slimiest nuance of rarity to increase relevance and significance. Inconsistently applied FBL designations does not mean 1953-s Franklins are rare despite what a few deep pocket registry collectors have been conditioned to think.
By classic definition that a die variety or error not an issuance like the 94s. Errors have never been held on the same pedestal as regular issue rarities unless they become famous like the 43 coppers. Die varieties do better but still.
IMHO that coin is more promotion than numismatically significant. Cool never the less and clearly the bidder’s opinions matters more than mine.
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
Bigger coins, silver, artistic 20th century designs, huge collector base. Why doesn’t CAC sticker Roosevelt dimes. How many people post anything about Roosevelt dimes on this forum.
Do a poll and ask collectors if given $500,000 or so dollars, and they have a choice only of using it for this dime or the 1894S or 1893 S Morgan or a beautiful proof $10 or $20 gold coin. Your saying many or most collectors are spending it on this small clad dime? I am entitled to my opinion. Prove me wrong
One of the two coins I asked you about was the 1894-S dime. In case you weren’t aware, it’s not bigger than a 1975 dime. 😉
Additionally, I don’t hear many collectors talking about the artistic 20th century design of Barber dimes or their huge collector base. But that aside, due to the restricted population, hardly any collectors of Barber dimes pursue or buy an 1894-S. On the other hand, many collectors of rarities have interest in them. The same goes for the 1975 no-S dimes.
And please stop with bologna like “Prove me wrong”. If someone challenged you to do the same, how would you go about it even if you cared to try?
Just a slight counter point about rarity. There are hundreds of millions of 1975 dimes without mint marks, only a few shiny reflective ones. There is only an absolute few 1894s dimes. Date rarity vs finish rarity is a thing.
That said all market trends can often be overridden by a well managed promotion no?
But a lot of 1894 dimes without the S...
Why is "finish" any less important than "mintmark"?
The finish is mutable due to environmental factors such as circulation. Theoretically there could be a circulated no S proof dime despite the odds being significantly against it. Mint marks require significant alteration to add or remove metal and don’t occur by happenstance.
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
Bigger coins, silver, artistic 20th century designs, huge collector base. Why doesn’t CAC sticker Roosevelt dimes. How many people post anything about Roosevelt dimes on this forum.
Do a poll and ask collectors if given $500,000 or so dollars, and they have a choice only of using it for this dime or the 1894S or 1893 S Morgan or a beautiful proof $10 or $20 gold coin. Your saying many or most collectors are spending it on this small clad dime? I am entitled to my opinion. Prove me wrong
One of the two coins I asked you about was the 1894-S dime. In case you weren’t aware, it’s not bigger than a 1975 dime. 😉
Additionally, I don’t hear many collectors talking about the artistic 20th century design of Barber dimes or their huge collector base. But that aside, due to the restricted population, hardly any collectors of Barber dimes pursue or buy an 1894-S. On the other hand, many collectors of rarities have interest in them. The same goes for the 1975 no-S dimes.
And please stop with bologna like “Prove me wrong”. If someone challenged you to do the same, how would you go about it even if you cared to try?
Just a slight counter point about rarity. There are hundreds of millions of 1975 dimes without mint marks, only a few shiny reflective ones. There is only an absolute few 1894s dimes. Date rarity vs finish rarity is a thing.
That said all market trends can often be overridden by a well managed promotion no?
But a lot of 1894 dimes without the S...
Why is "finish" any less important than "mintmark"?
The finish is mutable due to environmental factors such as circulation. Theoretically there could be a circulated no S proof dime despite the odds being significantly against it. Mint marks require significant alteration to add or remove metal and don’t occur by happenstance.
Sure. That's literally true. All coins are mutable. But that misses my point. Would you claim that a Proof large cent isn't special because there are business strikes?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
Bigger coins, silver, artistic 20th century designs, huge collector base. Why doesn’t CAC sticker Roosevelt dimes. How many people post anything about Roosevelt dimes on this forum.
Do a poll and ask collectors if given $500,000 or so dollars, and they have a choice only of using it for this dime or the 1894S or 1893 S Morgan or a beautiful proof $10 or $20 gold coin. Your saying many or most collectors are spending it on this small clad dime? I am entitled to my opinion. Prove me wrong
One of the two coins I asked you about was the 1894-S dime. In case you weren’t aware, it’s not bigger than a 1975 dime. 😉
Additionally, I don’t hear many collectors talking about the artistic 20th century design of Barber dimes or their huge collector base. But that aside, due to the restricted population, hardly any collectors of Barber dimes pursue or buy an 1894-S. On the other hand, many collectors of rarities have interest in them. The same goes for the 1975 no-S dimes.
And please stop with bologna like “Prove me wrong”. If someone challenged you to do the same, how would you go about it even if you cared to try?
Just a slight counter point about rarity. There are hundreds of millions of 1975 dimes without mint marks, only a few shiny reflective ones. There is only an absolute few 1894s dimes. Date rarity vs finish rarity is a thing.
That said all market trends can often be overridden by a well managed promotion no?
But a lot of 1894 dimes without the S...
Why is "finish" any less important than "mintmark"?
Why are 1895 Morgans so much more expensive than 1896 proofs? Because more people’s OCD demands date fillers than MM fillers and those more so than finish fillers.
Also it should be noted without the provenance and story, they're a sub $1k PL examples. A 94-s dime speaks on it own merits in ways that coin can’t. Don’t get me wrong I love all coins but I sometimes think that modern coins are so common that collectors manufacture the slimiest nuance of rarity to increase relevance and significance. Inconsistently applied FBL designations does not mean 1953-s Franklins are rare despite what a few deep pocket registry collectors have been conditioned to think.
By classic definition that a die variety or error not an issuance like the 94s. Errors have never been held on the same pedestal as regular issue rarities unless they become famous like the 43 coppers. Die varieties do better but still.
IMHO that coin is more promotion than numismatically significant. Cool never the less and clearly the bidder’s opinions matters more than mine.
I am glad someone agrees that this coin is overpromoted. Cool and interesting but not a rarity in the same league as other classic older major rarities. And the coin doesn’t even have the beautiful look of a deep reflective proof. Not condemning people who want to spend their money on this modern rarity. Crypto is right in his statement
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The
I am glad someone agrees that this coin is overpromoted. Cool and interesting but not a rarity in the same league as other classic older major rarities. And the coin doesn’t even have the beautiful look of a deep reflective proof. Not condemning people who want to spend their money on this modern rarity. Crypto is right in his statement
You can also find people who will agree that the earth is flat. It doesn't make them right.
The coin is what it is. The coin sold for what most experts thought it would sell for. I don't see any "over" anything.
I have no interest in owning 99% of U.S. coins. I have no interest in dates or mintmarks. I have no interest in the 1975 no S dime. But I understand those who do and allow them to do what they wish without judgment. In a free market, everything finds its level.
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The
I am glad someone agrees that this coin is overpromoted. Cool and interesting but not a rarity in the same league as other classic older major rarities. And the coin doesn’t even have the beautiful look of a deep reflective proof. Not condemning people who want to spend their money on this modern rarity. Crypto is right in his statement
You can also find people who will agree that the earth is flat. It doesn't make them right.
The coin is what it is. The coin sold for what most experts thought it would sell for. I don't see any "over" anything.
I have no interest in owning 99% of U.S. coins. I have no interest in dates or mintmarks. I have no interest in the 1975 no S dime. But I understand those who do and allow them to do what they wish without judgment. In a free market, everything finds its level.
I see nothing wrong with being judgemental. That is what a forum is for, to express opinions good or bad about coins. I never stated that the buyers were wrong or wasting their money in buying the coin, just simply critiquing the dime.
Too many people are thin skinned here. Nothing wrong with saying the coin is overpriced or overrated. Do I have to only say to every coin presented on this forum wonderful purchase congratulations.
I see nothing wrong with being judgemental. That is what a forum is for, to express opinions good or bad about coins.
Going by your posts, one would think the purpose of the Forum was solely to find out which coins to return on eBay.
Too many people are thin skinned here. Nothing wrong with saying the coin is overpriced or overrated. Do I have to only say to every coin presented on this forum wonderful purchase congratulations.
Thin skinned? You scream bloody murder every time anyone mentions your hobby of returning coins on eBay.
I see nothing wrong with being judgemental. That is what a forum is for, to express opinions good or bad about coins.
Going by your posts, one would think the purpose of the Forum was solely to find out which coins to return on eBay.
Too many people are thin skinned here. Nothing wrong with saying the coin is overpriced or overrated. Do I have to only say to every coin presented on this forum wonderful purchase congratulations.
Thin skinned? You scream bloody murder every time anyone mentions your hobby of returning coins on eBay.
Because you personally overdo it obsessively whenever I make any type of post on any subject. You never stop bringing up the same thing
I see nothing wrong with being judgemental. That is what a forum is for, to express opinions good or bad about coins.
Going by your posts, one would think the purpose of the Forum was solely to find out which coins to return on eBay.
Too many people are thin skinned here. Nothing wrong with saying the coin is overpriced or overrated. Do I have to only say to every coin presented on this forum wonderful purchase congratulations.
Thin skinned? You scream bloody murder every time anyone mentions your hobby of returning coins on eBay.
Because you personally overdo it obsessively whenever I make any type of post on any subject. You never stop bringing up the same thing
To be fair, it's kind of hard to forget. You've done it several times, swear you learned your lesson, and do it again. Given that is basically all we know of you and you have no other bona fides, you shouldn't be that surprised.
@CaptHenway said:
Just to change the subject, I saw a story about the coin on WGN’s Facebook page today and they illustrated it with the obverse of a 2003-P Dime!!!! I pity the poor coin shop employees!!!
Here you go:
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I see nothing wrong with being judgemental. That is what a forum is for, to express opinions good or bad about coins.
Going by your posts, one would think the purpose of the Forum was solely to find out which coins to return on eBay.
Too many people are thin skinned here. Nothing wrong with saying the coin is overpriced or overrated. Do I have to only say to every coin presented on this forum wonderful purchase congratulations.
Thin skinned? You scream bloody murder every time anyone mentions your hobby of returning coins on eBay.
Because you personally overdo it obsessively whenever I make any type of post on any subject. You never stop bringing up the same thing
To be fair, it's kind of hard to forget. You've done it several times, swear you learned your lesson, and do it again. Given that is basically all we know of you and you have no other bona fides, you shouldn't be that surprised.
I did post 2 coins I bought last time which I did keep a Franklin Half which stickered and a Washington Quarter which didn’t sticker. None of which I returned. So maybe it’s time you and Ike T let go of the return issue and move forward.
A 1975-S proof dime is worth about 65 cents.
The total mintage is 2,845,450.
The value of all the 1975-S dimes ever minted is about $1,850,000.
So the two 1975 no "S" proof dimes combined are worth more than half the value of all the standard 1975-S proof dimes. Wow!
Because you personally_** overdo it obsessively**_ whenever I make any type of post on any subject. You never stop bringing up the same thing
States the collector who has posted 27 times on this thread (yes, I did count them... I know... I know).
So what it’s good back and forth. Need to bring some energy to the thread. You want boring no controversy. Sorry so I ruffled some feathers in this thread by speaking some truths not everyone likes. Crypto gets it though. Sorry I am not a fan of this dime and spoke my feelings on it
I see nothing wrong with being judgemental. That is what a forum is for, to express opinions good or bad about coins.
Going by your posts, one would think the purpose of the Forum was solely to find out which coins to return on eBay.
Too many people are thin skinned here. Nothing wrong with saying the coin is overpriced or overrated. Do I have to only say to every coin presented on this forum wonderful purchase congratulations.
Thin skinned? You scream bloody murder every time anyone mentions your hobby of returning coins on eBay.
Because you personally overdo it obsessively whenever I make any type of post on any subject. You never stop bringing up the same thing
Speaking of overdoing it, you should go back and look at all of your posts in this very thread, repeating basically the same negative comments about the subject coin.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The circumstances of its production and reason for its existence are a mystery and many collectors appreciate and pay for good stories and mysteries.
Why don’t you tell us what makes the legendary 1894-S dime or the 1893-S dollar so special compared to the 1975 no-S Proof?
@cladking said:
There are lots of very high quality and important world silver coins with mintages under "1000" that can be had for virtually spot price. I'm melting a lot of stuff with mintages over about 8000. There are no buyers.
Oh, there are buyers, just not at your price, and/or not in the particular marketplace where you are trying to sell then.
As far as the Internet changing the demand part of the value equation, when I was a young collector well before the Internet and cable shopping eras I knew that a lot of world coins had infinitely lower mintages than key US coins, yet they traded for a fraction of the cost. Value was, and is still, determined by supply and demand. Certain issues just don't have the high demand.
I know you're right but it always amazes me that people just dismiss the beautiful silver coinage of the '70's and '80's with such tiny mintages as "just NCLT". Or there is no attrition. Or there are more than there are collectors. This last is apparently true but I never predicted in a world with 8,000,000,000 people that there would be ample numbers of coins with mintages of 8,000. That's one coin for every million people and the demand is in many cases simply swamped. Even circu;lating coins and even US moderns have the same thing.
Here we have one '75 dime for every 165,000,000 Americans and the price is a fraction of the much more common 1894-S dime. It would seem there would be far far more collectors of clad dimes than barber dimes but obviously that's not the way things have unfolded. All valuable clad dimes sell for peanuts compared to comparable mercs or indian cents.
That’s the way it should be. It’s an average looking modern proof clad Roosevelt dime without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
How many times are you going to diss the same coin in the same thread?
And contrary to what you wrote, the coin’s value is about more than its rarity. The
I am glad someone agrees that this coin is overpromoted. Cool and interesting but not a rarity in the same league as other classic older major rarities. And the coin doesn’t even have the beautiful look of a deep reflective proof. Not condemning people who want to spend their money on this modern rarity. Crypto is right in his statement
You can also find people who will agree that the earth is flat. It doesn't make them right.
The coin is what it is. The coin sold for what most experts thought it would sell for. I don't see any "over" anything.
I have no interest in owning 99% of U.S. coins. I have no interest in dates or mintmarks. I have no interest in the 1975 no S dime. But I understand those who do and allow them to do what they wish without judgment. In a free market, everything finds its level.
I see nothing wrong with being judgemental. That is what a forum is for, to express opinions good or bad about coins. I never stated that the buyers were wrong or wasting their money in buying the coin, just simply critiquing the dime.
Too many people are thin skinned here. Nothing wrong with saying the coin is overpriced or overrated. Do I have to only say to every coin presented on this forum wonderful purchase congratulations.
That cuts both ways. You may post your negative comments and we may argue that they are wrong.
‘’but I sometimes think that modern coins are so common that collectors manufacture the slimiest nuance of rarity to increase relevance and significance.’’
Spoken like a true ultracrepidarian (with his sidekick Walkerlover).
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@wondercoin said:
‘’but I sometimes think that modern coins are so common that collectors manufacture the slimiest nuance of rarity to increase relevance and significance.’’
Spoken like a true ultracrepidarian (with his sidekick Walkerlover).
Wondercoin.
There are only two, after all. The rarity isn't manufactured. Arguing that there are Philly business strikes seems disingenuous. By that argument, all Proof coins that have business counterparts aren't special or scarce.
I have R-8 pattern (mintage 2-3) incredible Liberty 5C in my Pattern Liberty nickel registry set that are worth well under $100,000 while the 1913 (mintage 5) is worth 5 million or whatever it is up to now. If that best 1913 5C is worth 5 million+, then the 1975 10C is worth every cent of the $500k it just fetched. And then some. As should my R8 pattern Liberty 5C (mintage 2 or 3) from 1881-1883.
Watch the trajectory of great modern coins over the next 5-10 years. It should be amazing!
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@wondercoin said:
‘’but I sometimes think that modern coins are so common that collectors manufacture the slimiest nuance of rarity to increase relevance and significance.’’
Spoken like a true ultracrepidarian (with his sidekick Walkerlover).
Wondercoin.
That’s uncalled for. I’ll shrug it off since you apparently took it personally and I didn’t fully walk that point out but we have always been pleasant and supportive over the years so I find it strange.
I should have added that when there is a smidge of actual rarity it gets disproportional extra attention. You almost finish my point with your pattern examples in the next post.
But never the less it is my experience when people tell me how rare most condition rarities are in moderns where the under grade is a dime a dozen or that the slimmest of a better strike makes a 5$ coin a $15,000 I will always question if they are collection coins or points collectors. That phenomenon is not unknown in classic issues either but 1000x times worse in moderns.
The phenomenon I’m call out is when a coin is almost worthless or dramatically so without the plastic and oh crap way past my means pricey in it and I’m not poor. I wasn’t denigrating the 75 no S. I was more trying to articulate that if a 94s is cracked it is still what it is, the 75s has to hope to make it back in to plastic to be worth all the money. Broken known chain of custody or future impairment or a discovered 3rd example with no proof set and it becomes a big question.
@wondercoin said:
‘’but I sometimes think that modern coins are so common that collectors manufacture the slimiest nuance of rarity to increase relevance and significance.’’
Spoken like a true ultracrepidarian (with his sidekick Walkerlover).
Wondercoin.
That’s uncalled for. I’ll shrug it off since you apparently took it personally and I didn’t fully walk that point out but we have always been pleasant and supportive over the years so I find it strange.
I should have added that when there is a smidge of actual rarity it gets disproportional extra attention. You almost finish my point with your pattern examples in the next post.
But never the less it is my experience when people tell me how rare most condition rarities are in moderns where the under grade is a dime a dozen or that the slimmest of a better strike makes a 5$ coin a $15,000 I will always question if they are collection coins or points collectors. That phenomenon is not unknown in classic issues either but 1000x times worse in moderns.
The phenomenon I’m call out is when a coin is almost worthless or dramatically so without the plastic and oh crap way past my means pricey in it and I’m not poor. I wasn’t denigrating the 75 no S. I was more trying to articulate that if a 94s is cracked it is still what it is, the 75s has to hope to make it back in to plastic to be worth all the money. Broken known chain of custody or future impairment or a discovered 3rd example with no proof set and it becomes a big question.
That's a lot of hypotheticals. And if a bag of 94-S dimes were discovered.... everyone can play the game.
There are two known proof no S dimes. Plastic or no plastic. The first time they sold, they're was no plastic.
Now, you can ignore mint errors because you don't care. You can ignore proof coins because you don't care. You can ignore date/mm because you don't care. All good. But the rarity of this particular coin is not manufactured. There are only 2 known.
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The '69 comes ugly even in the mint set but a few are just stunning, and only a few more are nice Gems. Yet there is no demand for nice ones, ugly ones, or any in between because somehow people got it in their heads these are all common. Soon the last of the circulating '69 dimes will be gone and they will be hard to find in any condition at all.
I can only imagine what the '75 dime will be worth if there are lots of collectors in the future and they can't even find a half decent chBU '69.
I always assumed moderns would get attention from the bottom up when people sought "common coins" like an nice XF '69 dime. Maybe it will instead happen from the top down when they realize a dirt common '75 dime is worth half a million dollars. For all we know there might be safety deposit boxes full of coins like this.
What's in a word? When I started collecting in 1957 anything made after 1950 was "modern", a '50-D nickel was "classic" and a '16-D dime was "ancient".
Now I think of Egypt's so called 6th Dynasty and ALL coins as "modern".
1965 was and still is an enormous dividing line.
You are so right! LOL.
What is that old saying? “I thought I made a mistake, but I was mistaken.” 😉
@cladking said: What's in a word?
The word "Modern" for the Hobby tends to be associated with when coinage changed from being at least partially struck in a precious metal and when it started to be struck in a clad composition. For PCGS at least that is 1965 and it makes sense to me. As for the Egyptian coins, that's a personal decision, the 1965 date tends to relate to US issues, but I think you know that and just choose to have a point to argue about. There are collectors who would argue your date choice because that seems to be what we do, argue about arbitrary things.
I'll certainly argue just to argue but that wasn't my point in this instance.
The biggest dividing line in terms of the era in US coins is 1965 and probably will remain so until we either convert to gold or silver backed money or cease the use coinage altogether. The terms aren't as important as the referent and any term to apply to US coinage must respect the 1965 date. We could call them the silver or clad eras or come up with numerous other terms as well as some that split the Clad Era at 1998 as you suggest. So long as the division at 1965 is recognized I don't necessarily have a problem with any new terminology and might not even argue the point even if we agree for different reasons.
I wonder who ended up buying it. It doesn’t look like it has been added to a registry set yet.
Does it match a registry set?
Just speculating, but I would think that, as @MFeld mentioned earlier, the buyer may be a "rarities only" type coin collector. Like Jerry Buss (former LA Lakers owner) with his 1913 Liberty Head, 94-S Barber dime, and 1804 dollar.
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Just to change the subject, I saw a story about the coin on WGN’s Facebook page today and they illustrated it with the obverse of a 2003-P Dime!!!! I pity the poor coin shop employees!!!
got the right pic on their website
https://wgntv.com/news/trending/why-this-rare-dime-from-ohio-fetched-506k-at-auction/
Must have gotten complaints.
Doesn't the registry require that you have the coin in your possession? Do you think the buyer picked it up today at GC HQ?
Sigh. Ah, the credibility and integrity police. I don't know of a single TPGS that is transparent. Do you? If I were JA (I could do this because I don't have his class), I would sticker a few dozen common Roosevelt dimes for an ad and say we don't do these so don't send any in as we will not sticker them.
PS I should imagine that a made man is one who can go anywhere, anytime; has nothing to prove or answer for; and cares nothing about what anyone thinks.
I imagine that describes a homeless person as well.
It's not until you've lost everything that you're free to do anything.
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
It wouldn’t be terribly surprising if this is the case or if the buyer arranged a private courier.
Why you such a smartass?
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Why are you so harsche?
You need a new comedy coach. Your material is tired, stale, well beyond it's expiration date.
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Finally hit the morning news, the weatherman said, "Shouldn't it be devalued if it's missing a letter like I guess if it had an extra S it would be more valuable? Like I don't know, it's a dime that's top of the line." the anchorman said, "Rare my friend, rare."
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@Onastone said: Finally hit the morning news, the weatherman said, "Shouldn't it be devalued if it's missing a letter like I guess if it had an extra S it would be more valuable? Like I don't know, it's a dime that's top of the line." the anchorman said, "Rare my friend, rare."
Although we sometimes wish our Hobby got more mainstream exposure this is a good example why that might not be a good idea. Armed with ignorance such as this weatherman, there's probably more harm than good that comes of it.
Sigh. 3 calls already this morning from people who have the rare dime with no S.
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Just a slight counter point about rarity. There are hundreds of millions of 1975 dimes without mint marks, only a few shiny reflective ones. There is only an absolute few 1894s dimes. Date rarity vs finish rarity is a thing.
That said all market trends can often be overridden by a well managed promotion no?
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
That more than doubles the population!
But a lot of 1894 dimes without the S...
Why is "finish" any less important than "mintmark"?
In the end - ~ 40,000 views with some 400 watching. I wonder how much more $ bidder #21 had on the table - it looks like bidder # 20 put one final bid in with 1 min left on the auction clock ?
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Why are 1895 Morgans so much more expensive than 1896 proofs? Because more people’s OCD demands date fillers than MM fillers and those more so than finish fillers.
Also it should be noted without the provenance and story, they're a sub $1k PL examples. A 94-s dime speaks on it own merits in ways that coin can’t. Don’t get me wrong I love all coins but I sometimes think that modern coins are so common that collectors manufacture the slimiest nuance of rarity to increase relevance and significance. Inconsistently applied FBL designations does not mean 1953-s Franklins are rare despite what a few deep pocket registry collectors have been conditioned to think.
By classic definition that a die variety or error not an issuance like the 94s. Errors have never been held on the same pedestal as regular issue rarities unless they become famous like the 43 coppers. Die varieties do better but still.
IMHO that coin is more promotion than numismatically significant. Cool never the less and clearly the bidder’s opinions matters more than mine.
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
The finish is mutable due to environmental factors such as circulation. Theoretically there could be a circulated no S proof dime despite the odds being significantly against it. Mint marks require significant alteration to add or remove metal and don’t occur by happenstance.
Sure. That's literally true. All coins are mutable. But that misses my point. Would you claim that a Proof large cent isn't special because there are business strikes?
I am glad someone agrees that this coin is overpromoted. Cool and interesting but not a rarity in the same league as other classic older major rarities. And the coin doesn’t even have the beautiful look of a deep reflective proof. Not condemning people who want to spend their money on this modern rarity. Crypto is right in his statement
without any great collector base that even CAC doesn’t deal with. It has ONLY 1 THING going for it rarity THATS IT. Nothing exciting here. Compare that to the legendary 1894 S Barber dime is ludicrous. Or the large gorgeous 20 dollars gold Saint Gaudens which you could buy a rare date coin in high mint state condition, or a 1921 S walker in MS 66 which has a population of 1 or 2 etc or a MS 65 or better 1893 S
You can also find people who will agree that the earth is flat. It doesn't make them right.
The coin is what it is. The coin sold for what most experts thought it would sell for. I don't see any "over" anything.
I have no interest in owning 99% of U.S. coins. I have no interest in dates or mintmarks. I have no interest in the 1975 no S dime. But I understand those who do and allow them to do what they wish without judgment. In a free market, everything finds its level.
I see nothing wrong with being judgemental. That is what a forum is for, to express opinions good or bad about coins. I never stated that the buyers were wrong or wasting their money in buying the coin, just simply critiquing the dime.
Too many people are thin skinned here. Nothing wrong with saying the coin is overpriced or overrated. Do I have to only say to every coin presented on this forum wonderful purchase congratulations.
Going by your posts, one would think the purpose of the Forum was solely to find out which coins to return on eBay.
Thin skinned? You scream bloody murder every time anyone mentions your hobby of returning coins on eBay.
Because you personally overdo it obsessively whenever I make any type of post on any subject. You never stop bringing up the same thing
To be fair, it's kind of hard to forget. You've done it several times, swear you learned your lesson, and do it again. Given that is basically all we know of you and you have no other bona fides, you shouldn't be that surprised.
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I did post 2 coins I bought last time which I did keep a Franklin Half which stickered and a Washington Quarter which didn’t sticker. None of which I returned. So maybe it’s time you and Ike T let go of the return issue and move forward.
States the collector who has posted 27 times on this thread (yes, I did count them... I know... I know).
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A 1975-S proof dime is worth about 65 cents.
The total mintage is 2,845,450.
The value of all the 1975-S dimes ever minted is about $1,850,000.
So the two 1975 no "S" proof dimes combined are worth more than half the value of all the standard 1975-S proof dimes. Wow!
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So what it’s good back and forth. Need to bring some energy to the thread. You want boring no controversy. Sorry so I ruffled some feathers in this thread by speaking some truths not everyone likes. Crypto gets it though. Sorry I am not a fan of this dime and spoke my feelings on it
Speaking of overdoing it, you should go back and look at all of your posts in this very thread, repeating basically the same negative comments about the subject coin.
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That cuts both ways. You may post your negative comments and we may argue that they are wrong.
‘’but I sometimes think that modern coins are so common that collectors manufacture the slimiest nuance of rarity to increase relevance and significance.’’
Spoken like a true ultracrepidarian (with his sidekick Walkerlover).
Wondercoin.
There are only two, after all. The rarity isn't manufactured. Arguing that there are Philly business strikes seems disingenuous. By that argument, all Proof coins that have business counterparts aren't special or scarce.
I have R-8 pattern (mintage 2-3) incredible Liberty 5C in my Pattern Liberty nickel registry set that are worth well under $100,000 while the 1913 (mintage 5) is worth 5 million or whatever it is up to now. If that best 1913 5C is worth 5 million+, then the 1975 10C is worth every cent of the $500k it just fetched. And then some. As should my R8 pattern Liberty 5C (mintage 2 or 3) from 1881-1883.
Watch the trajectory of great modern coins over the next 5-10 years. It should be amazing!
Wondercoin.
That’s uncalled for. I’ll shrug it off since you apparently took it personally and I didn’t fully walk that point out but we have always been pleasant and supportive over the years so I find it strange.
I should have added that when there is a smidge of actual rarity it gets disproportional extra attention. You almost finish my point with your pattern examples in the next post.
But never the less it is my experience when people tell me how rare most condition rarities are in moderns where the under grade is a dime a dozen or that the slimmest of a better strike makes a 5$ coin a $15,000 I will always question if they are collection coins or points collectors. That phenomenon is not unknown in classic issues either but 1000x times worse in moderns.
The phenomenon I’m call out is when a coin is almost worthless or dramatically so without the plastic and oh crap way past my means pricey in it and I’m not poor. I wasn’t denigrating the 75 no S. I was more trying to articulate that if a 94s is cracked it is still what it is, the 75s has to hope to make it back in to plastic to be worth all the money. Broken known chain of custody or future impairment or a discovered 3rd example with no proof set and it becomes a big question.
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That's a lot of hypotheticals. And if a bag of 94-S dimes were discovered.... everyone can play the game.
There are two known proof no S dimes. Plastic or no plastic. The first time they sold, they're was no plastic.
Now, you can ignore mint errors because you don't care. You can ignore proof coins because you don't care. You can ignore date/mm because you don't care. All good. But the rarity of this particular coin is not manufactured. There are only 2 known.