@WAYNEAS said: @WQuarterFreddie
I am not savy enough to post links as the http is like 100 characters long. lol
I just re-ran my search and now GC only lists 29 items and has moved some of the coins out to latter auction dates.
I did a Narrow your Search, search after using the Advance search blue link.
I listed in the coin search block 2019-w to 2020-w.
In the grading range, I used from grade 1 to 70.
I then checked the pcgs and ngc tabs under the grading services.
I entered Quarter dollars in the all denomination box and then hit the go button at the bottom.
If you get the results that you want, remember to hit the save this search button for the next time that you want to use it.
Best of luck.
Wayne
This GC auction for a 2019-W Lowell quarter with the "circle of death" damage raises questions in my mind.
Why would someone bother to have this graded by our host? Why would GC accept this coin for auction and more importantly set such a ridiculously high starting bid for a coin that is essentially worthless?🙄
I met you at the Whitman Coin Show in Baltimore a few years ago. I remember you as a very kind person and very willing to help a new collector.
If and when you have a few minutes available, I would appreciate your feedback on my questions regarding the above W quarter currently up for auction on your website. 🤔
To be clear, my questions are not intended as an attack on Great Collections as I respect you and your company.
They are meant to help me better understand online auctions and how they operate.
I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Thank you!😎
Didn't you answer your own question in the other thread? 😎
More like exercising their right to sell it for however much they want.
If someone wants to pay that much it will sell. If not, then the seller can choose to lower the price or keep it.
Lol, talk about irony. A pointless point from captain obvious. Sure, anyone has the right to ask for whatever they want, everyone already knows this. However, WE have the right to criticize or question their credibility if they choose to do so.
A better counterpoint might have been that the wildly inflated price could actually be a very effective marketing tool. Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Perhaps I'll do the same with some ridiculous ask price on one of mine to draw attention too my inventory .
Lol, talk about irony. A pointless point from captain obvious. Sure, anyone has the right to ask for whatever they want, everyone already knows this. However, WE have the right to criticize or question their credibility if they choose to do so.
A better counterpoint might have been that the wildly inflated price could actually be a very effective marketing tool. Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Perhaps I'll do the same with some ridiculous ask price on one of mine to draw attention too my inventory .
Dan, since you want to talk about irony, after reading the introduction you wrote on your website about yourself I find it truly ironic how you continue to write comments that are rude and condescending to me, an admitted novice collector.
For members who are not familiar with Dan's website (the link can be found in his signature line) the following excerpt is from his self promoting introduction:
"Thus, Peak Rarities was born. I am thrilled to begin this journey and start helping others to see numismatics through the same lens that I do. Whether you're looking to buy or sell, collect or invest, we would love to help guide you through the world of rare coins. We pride ourselves on our customer relationships and satisfaction, and we operate in all aspects with the utmost level of integrity. We may not be the biggest or the most established firm on the block, but we're willing to go the extra mile to earn your business and your trust. Please contact us today for ANY coin-related questions, comments, or concerns. Whether you're a novice or an experienced collector, affluent or budgeted, actively buying or selling, or just curious and looking to learn more, we're looking forward to hearing from you."
Dan, I assure you I will NEVER contact you or buy anything from you.
Now my response to your post.
My comment stating anyone can post a starting price as high as they want is being taken out of context.
That comment was referring to a seller on EBAY not an auction house such as GC. I am very familiar with selling on Ebay but I have never used an auction house to sell one of my coins so I do not know if a seller can instruct the auction house to set the starting price or if the auction house sets the starting price for the seller.
Either way, the $800 starting bid for the damaged 2019-W Lowell PCGS slabbed coin is absurd and it will never sell. Also, I highly doubt GC is trying to generate bad publicity by setting the $800 price.
My guess is the seller set the price and GC informed the seller not to set that high price or there is an error in the starting price.
I reached out to Ian with the hope he has time to respond with answers to my questions. As I previously stated, after meeting Ian in person I found him to be very welcoming and helpful to me and my interest in the W quarters. 😎
Lol, talk about irony. A pointless point from captain obvious. Sure, anyone has the right to ask for whatever they want, everyone already knows this. However, WE have the right to criticize or question their credibility if they choose to do so.
A better counterpoint might have been that the wildly inflated price could actually be a very effective marketing tool. Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Perhaps I'll do the same with some ridiculous ask price on one of mine to draw attention too my inventory .
Dan, since you want to talk about irony, after reading the introduction you wrote on your website about yourself I find it truly ironic how you continue to write comments that are rude and condescending to me, an admitted novice collector.
For members who are not familiar with Dan's website (the link can be found in his signature line) the following excerpt is from his self promoting introduction:
"Thus, Peak Rarities was born. I am thrilled to begin this journey and start helping others to see numismatics through the same lens that I do. Whether you're looking to buy or sell, collect or invest, we would love to help guide you through the world of rare coins. We pride ourselves on our customer relationships and satisfaction, and we operate in all aspects with the utmost level of integrity. We may not be the biggest or the most established firm on the block, but we're willing to go the extra mile to earn your business and your trust. Please contact us today for ANY coin-related questions, comments, or concerns. Whether you're a novice or an experienced collector, affluent or budgeted, actively buying or selling, or just curious and looking to learn more, we're looking forward to hearing from you."
Dan, I assure you I will NEVER contact you or buy anything from you.
Now my response to your post.
My comment stating anyone can post a starting price as high as they want is being taken out of context.
That comment was referring to a seller on EBAY not an auction house such as GC. I am very familiar with selling on Ebay but I have never used an auction house to sell one of my coins so I do not know if a seller can instruct the auction house to set the starting price or if the auction house sets the starting price for the seller.
Either way, the $800 starting bid for the damaged 2019-W Lowell PCGS slabbed coin is absurd and it will never sell. Also, I highly doubt GC is trying to generate bad publicity by setting the $800 price.
My guess is the seller set the price and GC informed the seller not to set that high price or there is an error in the starting price.
I reached out to Ian with the hope he has time to respond with answers to my questions. As I previously stated, after meeting Ian in person I found him to be very welcoming and helpful to me and my interest in the W quarters. 😎
Like so many, I'm a collector not looking to resell, nor consider the hoard (a 50 year collection) as an investment. In the months following their initial release several factors were considered. One third party grader only (I chose PCGS as they had the most available), a grade which was relatively high, and a set a price at which I felt reflected the grade population. As we enter 2025, I'm one short of each year in the grade of MS65. The most I've shelled out was $35.00, the lowest $22. As I lack the 2019 American Memorial and 2020 Marsh-Billings, both of which are currently north of $100, I'm holding out for somewhere near the $40 range. This is not unthinkable when looking at the population figures comparative to the other issues and the fact that those which I have are going unsold at this price range, in some cases less. Either way, they will always be sought after simply for the mint facility they represent. No different than New Orleans or Carson City. Just my thoughts.
NONE of your discussions are about "collecting" , they're all inflammatory topics about Vaultbox or the like. Finding W quarters in circulation and reselling them is also not "collecting". Not sure how long you can play the "novice" card either, you've been a member here for 5 years. Do you have a collection? If you did, and you posted it, I would never say anything negative about it. In fact, I would love to see a post of that nature. Recently you promoted a clickbait article to which I tried to explain is not something that should be promoted, and you stubbornly argue about it. Im happy to help novices who actually want to learn about collecting, and I spend more time than anyone trying to do, so I haven't gotten that impression from you so far.
NONE of your discussions are about "collecting" , they're all inflammatory topics about Vaultbox or the like. Finding W quarters in circulation and reselling them is also not "collecting". Not sure how long you can play the "novice" card either, you've been a member here for 5 years. Do you have a collection? If you did, and you posted it, I would never say anything negative about it. In fact, I would love to see a post of that nature. Recently you promoted a clickbait article to which I tried to explain is not something that should be promoted, and you stubbornly argue about it. Im happy to help novices who actually want to learn about collecting, and I spend more time than anyone trying to do, so I haven't gotten that impression from you so far.
Freddie has had me on ignore, off and on, for years. So, he and I aren't friends. However, i do think this is a little unfair.
Freddie may not be interested in classic coins. Freddie may not study the numismatic history of the US. But I don't think that's a requirement to be a "collector". If he's only interested in moderns or W's, isn't that good enough?
The members of this forum really aren't the average collector out there. Ask any coin shop owner who spends all day talking to people with collections of Susan B $s and $2 bills. There is room for all of us.
NONE of your discussions are about "collecting" , they're all inflammatory topics about Vaultbox or the like. Finding W quarters in circulation and reselling them is also not "collecting". Not sure how long you can play the "novice" card either, you've been a member here for 5 years. Do you have a collection? If you did, and you posted it, I would never say anything negative about it. In fact, I would love to see a post of that nature. Recently you promoted a clickbait article to which I tried to explain is not something that should be promoted, and you stubbornly argue about it. Im happy to help novices who actually want to learn about collecting, and I spend more time than anyone trying to do, so I haven't gotten that impression from you so far.
Again, quite ironic that you as a dealer who SELLS his coins complain about me selling some of my W quarters. Hypocritical of you for sure.
Also, most of my discussions that I started have been about W quarters and they have not been closed or deemed inflammatory but there you go again criticizing me for posting about them. How is this thread inflammatory?
The only inflammatory posts I see on this thread are YOUR posts mocking me for selling my First Discovery Quarters and claiming I told you to buy them as great investments which for the record I never said to you or anyone else.
To be clear, yes I have a vast W quarter collection and will be happy to start a thread and post them for you because I know you are eager to prove to others that you really care about my collection.🙄
Your negative posts speak for themselves and it is getting old.
Also, Dan it is time for you and the other members to get over the VaultBox threads.
That is ancient history and I was not the only one to start them or discuss them as a valid product for anyone who wanted to gamble with their money.
I stand by my statement that I will NEVER contact you regarding any coins.😎
NONE of your discussions are about "collecting" , they're all inflammatory topics about Vaultbox or the like. Finding W quarters in circulation and reselling them is also not "collecting". Not sure how long you can play the "novice" card either, you've been a member here for 5 years. Do you have a collection? If you did, and you posted it, I would never say anything negative about it. In fact, I would love to see a post of that nature. Recently you promoted a clickbait article to which I tried to explain is not something that should be promoted, and you stubbornly argue about it. Im happy to help novices who actually want to learn about collecting, and I spend more time than anyone trying to do, so I haven't gotten that impression from you so far.
Freddie has had me on ignore, off and on, for years. So, he and I aren't friends. However, i do think this is a little unfair.
Freddie may not be interested in classic coins. Freddie may not study the numismatic history of the US. But I don't think that's a requirement to be a "collector". If he's only interested in moderns or W's, isn't that good enough?
The members of this forum really aren't the average collector out there. All any coin shop owner who spends all day talking to people with collections of Susan B $s and $2 bills. There is room for all of us.
My point was that I hadn’t seen him post much about collecting, I never said he wasn’t a collector. The qualifier for being a collector is collecting, whatever it may be. I answer phone calls all week from people who want to search change. And I tell them to search for the w quarters among other things. But if they don’t intend to keep any of them, and they only want to make a profit by reselling, then no, they’re not collectors. If they want to assemble a set or fill out an album , then they would be. I even said that I would love to see his collection, but i wasn’t even sure if he had one because he doesn’t post about it.
@Ebeneezer said:
Like so many, I'm a collector not looking to resell, nor consider the hoard (a 50 year collection) as an investment. In the months following their initial release several factors were considered. One third party grader only (I chose PCGS as they had the most available), a grade which was relatively high, and a set a price at which I felt reflected the grade population. As we enter 2025, I'm one short of each year in the grade of MS65. The most I've shelled out was $35.00, the lowest $22. As I lack the 2019 American Memorial and 2020 Marsh-Billings, both of which are currently north of $100, I'm holding out for somewhere near the $40 range. This is not unthinkable when looking at the population figures comparative to the other issues and the fact that those which I have are going unsold at this price range, in some cases less. Either way, they will always be sought after simply for the mint facility they represent. No different than New Orleans or Carson City. Just my thoughts.
Thank you for your post! The 2 coins you seek are the higher cost W quarters from each set but PCGS MS65 grade is a reasonable goal to try and buy in the $40 range.
For sure if you are successful it will be the rare exception at this point in time.
Good luck in your quest and please provide us updates if you meet one or both of your goals!😎
@Project Numismatics said:
2020 W MS65 greysheet values are $14 - $16 for Samoa, Weir and Salt River. Marsh and Tallgrass are $40.
No idea whether a dealer would offer greysheet for them or what they are going for on eBay.
Thank you for the information! I would appreciate you providing pricing for the 2019 W quarters as well if you don't mind taking the time.
Seems like the greysheet has the Samoa and Tallgrass reversed in price respectively in my opinion.
In my experience, most dealers and forum members have never had an interest in the W quarters yet many are sold on Ebay every day even 5 years after issue and there is still money to be made!😎
Lowell - $80
Memorial - $80
San Antonio - $80
Pacific - $15
Church - $35
$80 seems optimistic to me, but I’m not in this market. I don’t know what dealers are offering and I haven’t looked at eBay recently.
NONE of your discussions are about "collecting" , they're all inflammatory topics about Vaultbox or the like. Finding W quarters in circulation and reselling them is also not "collecting". Not sure how long you can play the "novice" card either, you've been a member here for 5 years. Do you have a collection? If you did, and you posted it, I would never say anything negative about it. In fact, I would love to see a post of that nature. Recently you promoted a clickbait article to which I tried to explain is not something that should be promoted, and you stubbornly argue about it. Im happy to help novices who actually want to learn about collecting, and I spend more time than anyone trying to do, so I haven't gotten that impression from you so far.
Again, quite ironic that you as a dealer who SELLS his coins complain about me selling some of my W quarters. Hypocritical of you for sure.
Also, most of my discussions that I started have been about W quarters and they have not been closed or deemed inflammatory but there you go again criticizing me for posting about them. How is this thread inflammatory?
The only inflammatory posts I see on this thread are YOUR posts mocking me for selling my First Discovery Quarters and claiming I told you to buy them as great investments which for the record I never said to you or anyone else.
To be clear, yes I have a vast W quarter collection and will be happy to start a thread and post them for you because I know you are eager to prove to others that you really care about my collection.🙄
Your negative posts speak for themselves and it is getting old.
Also, Dan it is time for you and the other members to get over the VaultBox threads.
That is ancient history and I was not the only one to start them or discuss them as a valid product for anyone who wanted to gamble with their money.
I stand by my statement that I will NEVER contact you regarding any coins.😎
Not sure how collecting and dealing makes me a hypocrite, I didn't say selling coins doesn't make you a collector.
To be clear, yes I have a vast W quarter collection and will be happy to start a thread and post them for you because I know you are eager to prove to others that you really care about my collection.🙄
Freddie, go through my comments and count how many times i've commented on someone's new coin, or accomplishment like finishing a set of modern coins or something completely different than what I collect. You're way off base here, I'd be one of the first to congratulate you if you posted something like that or that you had achieved a goal of yours.
Your negative posts speak for themselves and it is getting old
Which ones? This thread is about value retention and I posted a screenshot of APR's relevant to the discussion. My other sarcastic comment was because you made a statement without providing any data or evidence to back it up. Actually, you're the one that makes things personal and starts making ad-hominem attacks, I only point out flaws in your argument.
I stand by my statement that I will NEVER contact you regarding any coins.😎
Don't know why you're trying to hammer this home, I dont care and I wasn't wating by the phone. Nort do I stock anything you'd be interested in.
The GC auction just ended.
There were (13) 2019-W quarters up for auction.
These all had a minimum opening bid.
Not one of these coins were bid on
There were (5) 2020-W coins up for auction.
2 were not bid on and the 3 that were, went for under $30.00 (not including buyer's premium).
It seems to me that the starting bid prices were way to high or the demand was just not there.
Wayne
@WAYNEAS said:
The GC auction just ended.
There were (13) 2019-W quarters up for auction.
These all had a minimum opening bid.
Not one of these coins were bid on
There were (5) 2020-W coins up for auction.
2 were not bid on and the 3 that were, went for under $30.00 (not including buyer's premium).
It seems to me that the starting bid prices were way to high or the demand was just not there.
Wayne
To be fair, if the buyer has to pay the buyer's premium, it is part of the cost of the coin, and should be included.
@WAYNEAS said:
The GC auction just ended.
There were (13) 2019-W quarters up for auction.
These all had a minimum opening bid.
Not one of these coins were bid on
There were (5) 2020-W coins up for auction.
2 were not bid on and the 3 that were, went for under $30.00 (not including buyer's premium).
It seems to me that the starting bid prices were way to high or the demand was just not there.
Wayne
To be fair, if the buyer has to pay the buyer's premium, it is part of the cost of the coin, and should be included.
@Project Numismatics said:
2020 W MS65 greysheet values are $14 - $16 for Samoa, Weir and Salt River. Marsh and Tallgrass are $40.
No idea whether a dealer would offer greysheet for them or what they are going for on eBay.
Thank you for the information! I would appreciate you providing pricing for the 2019 W quarters as well if you don't mind taking the time.
Seems like the greysheet has the Samoa and Tallgrass reversed in price respectively in my opinion.
In my experience, most dealers and forum members have never had an interest in the W quarters yet many are sold on Ebay every day even 5 years after issue and there is still money to be made!😎
Lowell - $80
Memorial - $80
San Antonio - $80
Pacific - $15
Church - $35
$80 seems optimistic to me, but I’m not in this market. I don’t know what dealers are offering and I haven’t looked at eBay recently.
Are these prices for PCGS MS65? If yes, then the following are current average market values based on Ebay completed sales
Lowell $30
Memorial $80
San Antonio $35
Pacific $30
Church $45
@Cougar1978 said:
The W quarters in strong demand and been good sellers for me. Not a bad investment buy. Better yet super find in change $$.
They retail quicker than I can replace.
Careful Cougar! There are a few members on here that consider any positive comments about W quarters being a "good investment" an inflammatory statement!🤣😂
@WAYNEAS said:
The GC auction just ended.
There were (13) 2019-W quarters up for auction.
These all had a minimum opening bid.
Not one of these coins were bid on
There were (5) 2020-W coins up for auction.
2 were not bid on and the 3 that were, went for under $30.00 (not including buyer's premium).
It seems to me that the starting bid prices were way to high or the demand was just not there.
Wayne
Wayne, thank you for the follow up report. A couple of those auctions were for low grade MS62 and MS64 W quarters which I am confused as to why they were even listed. 🤔
Apparently, Mr. Feld decided to take a much needed break from the boards after recently trying to bring sanity to a thread here on Flowing Hair Gold privy coins; literally an impossible task absent a (much needed) slight modification of the rules here (but that discussion is for another day).
Let’s not have this interesting thread on W quarters also quickly deteriorate due to a “lover’s quarrel” between a couple valuable forum members. I don’t give a darn about VaultBox - that discussion has absolutely no place here on this tread. If anyone wants to talk about that topic, please hunt down 18 month old threads and go hurl accusations, or defenses to conduct over there (which I won’t need to waste my time reading). Fair enough?
As to W quarters, I have a couple substantive points to make on the subject, if we can get back on task now. Everyone OK with getting back to discussing the market for W quarters heading into 2025?
Wondercoin.
Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
@yspsales said:
I love modern quarters, but this thread is bonkers.
Just don't go get yourself banned over a $5 coin in $30 plastic
To be fair, the cheapest W quarter on eBay at the moment is a raw circulated San Antonio for $13.95. I do see one that sold for $5 back in October - it’s circulated and appears damaged.
@Project Numismatics said:
2020 W MS65 greysheet values are $14 - $16 for Samoa, Weir and Salt River. Marsh and Tallgrass are $40.
No idea whether a dealer would offer greysheet for them or what they are going for on eBay.
Thank you for the information! I would appreciate you providing pricing for the 2019 W quarters as well if you don't mind taking the time.
Seems like the greysheet has the Samoa and Tallgrass reversed in price respectively in my opinion.
In my experience, most dealers and forum members have never had an interest in the W quarters yet many are sold on Ebay every day even 5 years after issue and there is still money to be made!😎
Lowell - $80
Memorial - $80
San Antonio - $80
Pacific - $15
Church - $35
$80 seems optimistic to me, but I’m not in this market. I don’t know what dealers are offering and I haven’t looked at eBay recently.
Are these prices for PCGS MS65? If yes, then the following are current average market values based on Ebay completed sales
Lowell $30
Memorial $80
San Antonio $35
Pacific $30
Church $45
Thank you for taking the time to post!😎
Yes - 65. I would expect eBay is a more reliable source for most modern coin pricing.
@wondercoin said:
Apparently, Mr. Feld decided to take a much needed break from the boards after recently trying to bring sanity to a thread here on Flowing Hair Gold privy coins; literally an impossible task absent a (much needed) slight modification of the rules here (but that discussion is for another day).
Let’s not have this interesting thread on W quarters also quickly deteriorate due to a “lover’s quarrel” between a couple valuable forum members. I don’t give a darn about VaultBox - that discussion has absolutely no place here on this tread. If anyone wants to talk about that topic, please hunt down 18 month old threads and go hurl accusations, or defenses to conduct over there (which I won’t need to waste my time reading). Fair enough?
As to W quarters, I have a couple substantive points to make on the subject, if we can get back on task now. Everyone OK with getting back to discussing the market for W quarters heading into 2025?
Wondercoin.
Thank you. I am done with Peak Rarities and my apologies to any member I have upset over my posts.
I would love to get this thread back on track and I welcome anyone who has questions or comments about W quarters.
A couple thoughts and comments I have to share on the subject of this thread. First- not too long ago, in 2024, Heritage auctioned off a significant Washington quarter collection (1932-date) in a weekly sales event. The Washington quarters were a tiny portion of a HUGE consignment they received from this particular gentleman. There was the better part of 500 coins (possibly more) in this Washington quarter extravaganza!
I bid on every different sub-series of quarters that night (possibly over 2 nights as I recall), including variety silver quarters, clad quarters, state quarters, territory quarters, W quarters, etc., etc. I won many a lot that night across a wide spectrum of Washington quarters- EXCEPT W quarters where my bids were “blown out of the water”. Does anyone here have the prices realized for the top W quarters that night? They are truly remarkable! If not, I will find them shortly. I’m preparing for a flight to S. Korea, but will have free time about 24 hours from now after I land.
Wondercoin.
Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
A couple thoughts and comments I have to share on the subject of this thread. First- not too long ago, in 2024, Heritage auctioned off a significant Washington quarter collection (1932-date) in a weekly sales event. The Washington quarters were a tiny portion of a HUGE consignment they received from this particular gentleman. There was the better part of 500 coins (possibly more) in this Washington quarter extravaganza!
I bid on every different sub-series of quarters that night (possibly over 2 nights as I recall), including variety silver quarters, clad quarters, state quarters, territory quarters, W quarters, etc., etc. I won many a lot that night across a wide spectrum of Washington quarters- EXCEPT W quarters where my bids were “blown out of the water”. Does anyone here have the prices realized for the top W quarters that night? They are truly remarkable! If not, I will find them shortly. I’m preparing for a flight to S. Korea, but will have free time about 24 hours from now after I land.
Wondercoin.
Interesting! Do you remember if they were graded or raw W quarters? If graded were they MS67 or MS68?
Look at those prices in the $5,000’s and even $6,000’s for coins only a few years old. I bid $4,500+ on those better coins and wasn’t even close!
Wondercoin.
Yes. The pricing doesn't surprise me though. There are only two PCGS graded MS68 2019-W Lowell quarters and only ONE PCGS MS68 2020-W Salt River quarter in the world right now.
In my experience, the Salt River W quarters were mostly found in lesser condition with many having grease stains on them. The Lowell's were in much better condition on average.
Thanks to you and JM for providing the data on these very rare W quarters!😎
Hi Freddie...totally with you on these. I always get high interest and good offers on these. I did a lot of work to collect them when they were first issued...drove my wife crazy bringing box after box home from the bank...but even she agrees it was worth it.
As to all the opinions on these...I think the amount of response, both positive and negative, speaks for itself that these coins are an item. Regarding the speculation out there about what's valuable...for my part I'm primarily a small time collector. I don't really care much about error coins and stuff...I'm one of the silly guys who like to fill up the coin folders. My opinion is best expressed with a question...why is any coin valuable? It's just a little chunk of metal. But they say something to us. A coin is worth what someone is willing to pay to have one.
I think the W's are cool for different reasons, but partly because they represent kind of a disruption in the standard established practices...instead of dealers with tons of capitol buying them from the mint and then selling them to the average collector, anybody with 500 bucks and some time on their hands could go get a box and find them, and have a complete set. It was fun.
Final comment; as one who has interacted and traded with you in the past to fill sets, I just want to attest to your integrity and generosity. I really enjoy reading your posts too. Best to you in the new year.
@nickelsciolist said:
Hi Freddie...totally with you on these. I always get high interest and good offers on these. I did a lot of work to collect them when they were first issued...drove my wife crazy bringing box after box home from the bank...but even she agrees it was worth it.
As to all the opinions on these...I think the amount of response, both positive and negative, speaks for itself that these coins are an item. Regarding the speculation out there about what's valuable...for my part I'm primarily a small time collector. I don't really care much about error coins and stuff...I'm one of the silly guys who like to fill up the coin folders. My opinion is best expressed with a question...why is any coin valuable? It's just a little chunk of metal. But they say something to us. A coin is worth what someone is willing to pay to have one.
I think the W's are cool for different reasons, but partly because they represent kind of a disruption in the standard established practices...instead of dealers with tons of capitol buying them from the mint and then selling them to the average collector, anybody with 500 bucks and some time on their hands could go get a box and find them, and have a complete set. It was fun.
Final comment; as one who has interacted and traded with you in the past to fill sets, I just want to attest to your integrity and generosity. I really enjoy reading your posts too. Best to you in the new year.
What a great post! Also, thank you for your support and kind words.
Your post is spot on and I totally agree with your assessment of the W quarters.
Actually am on to the American Women's quarters with my Grandkids...and we have seen no W's along the way.
We have a couple of W advocates in our local club, and we are making converts. A guy at our club sent a Lowell in for grading...and when it came back he sold that one coin for 60 bucks!
@nickelsciolist said:
Actually am on to the American Women's quarters with my Grandkids...and we have seen no W's along the way.
We have a couple of W advocates in our local club, and we are making converts. A guy at our club sent a Lowell in for grading...and when it came back he sold that one coin for 60 bucks!
Yeah I stopped searching last year. At this point the W quarters are circulated and not in gradeable condition unless you are lucky and get a "unicorn" 2019 or 2020 new coin sealed quarter box or rolls from the bank.
There are currently 10 W quarters up for auction this week on GC.
They run from ms64 to ms67 in grades.
One is a 10-coin NGC set in ms67.
No bids at this time.
Wayne
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There are currently 10 W quarters up for auction this week on GC.
They run from ms64 to ms67 in grades.
One is a 10-coin NGC set in ms67.
No bids at this time.
Wayne
In my experience, an NGC graded W quarter is worth less than a PCGS graded W quarter of the same grade. Not even worth discussing ANACS graded W quarters.
Ebay completed auctions clearly document this fact.
I have never tried to crossover an NGC graded W quarter to PCGS but I believe an NGC MS67 will grade as PCGS MS66.
To be clear, I do not have the experience to grade a coin so I am basing my belief on the Ebay completed auctions I have seen over the years.
@WAYNEAS said:
There are currently 10 W quarters up for auction this week on GC.
They run from ms64 to ms67 in grades.
One is a 10-coin NGC set in ms67.
No bids at this time.
Wayne
In my experience, an NGC graded W quarter is worth less than a PCGS graded W quarter of the same grade. Not even worth discussing ANACS graded W quarters.
Ebay completed auctions clearly document this fact.
I have never tried to crossover an NGC graded W quarter to PCGS but I believe an NGC MS67 will grade as PCGS MS66.
To be clear, I do not have the experience to grade a coin so I am basing my belief on the Ebay completed auctions I have seen over the years.
I agree that ngc coins sell less than pcgs ones.
I do see that many eBay listings are starting to come down in their asking prices and opening bids.
From this, in my opinion, the demand for ms62 to ms66 coins is waning.
I also believe that the ms67 coins are slightly fluctuating but remain pretty consistent in their pricing.
Wayne
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@WAYNEAS said:
There are currently 10 W quarters up for auction this week on GC.
They run from ms64 to ms67 in grades.
One is a 10-coin NGC set in ms67.
No bids at this time.
Wayne
In my experience, an NGC graded W quarter is worth less than a PCGS graded W quarter of the same grade. Not even worth discussing ANACS graded W quarters.
Ebay completed auctions clearly document this fact.
I have never tried to crossover an NGC graded W quarter to PCGS but I believe an NGC MS67 will grade as PCGS MS66.
To be clear, I do not have the experience to grade a coin so I am basing my belief on the Ebay completed auctions I have seen over the years.
I agree that ngc coins sell less than pcgs ones.
I do see that many eBay listings are starting to come down in their asking prices and opening bids.
From this, in my opinion, the demand for ms62 to ms66 coins is waning.
I also believe that the ms67 coins are slightly fluctionating but remain pretty consistent in their pricing.
Wayne
For sure, the MS62 to MS64 aren't even worth the price it cost to grade.
The prices for higher graded and raw W quarters are holding strong.
Only 1 W quarter sold last night on GC.
It was a 2020-W America the Beautiful Quarter Tallgrass Prairie National Park V75 PCGS MS-65
1 bid at $39.00. $44.00 with buyers fee.
The other 9, did not receive a bid at all.
Once again in my opinion, it might be time to start lowering the opening bid price if the seller wants to sell.
Wayne
@WAYNEAS said:
Only 1 W quarter sold last night on GC.
It was a 2020-W America the Beautiful Quarter Tallgrass Prairie National Park V75 PCGS MS-65
1 bid at $39.00. $44.00 with buyers fee.
The other 9, did not receive a bid at all.
Once again in my opinion, it might be time to start lowering the opening bid price if the seller wants to sell.
Wayne
Thank you for the information. I agree with you that the starting bids are too high.
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Lol, talk about irony. A pointless point from captain obvious. Sure, anyone has the right to ask for whatever they want, everyone already knows this. However, WE have the right to criticize or question their credibility if they choose to do so.
A better counterpoint might have been that the wildly inflated price could actually be a very effective marketing tool. Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Perhaps I'll do the same with some ridiculous ask price on one of mine to draw attention too my inventory
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Dan, since you want to talk about irony, after reading the introduction you wrote on your website about yourself I find it truly ironic how you continue to write comments that are rude and condescending to me, an admitted novice collector.
For members who are not familiar with Dan's website (the link can be found in his signature line) the following excerpt is from his self promoting introduction:
"Thus, Peak Rarities was born. I am thrilled to begin this journey and start helping others to see numismatics through the same lens that I do. Whether you're looking to buy or sell, collect or invest, we would love to help guide you through the world of rare coins. We pride ourselves on our customer relationships and satisfaction, and we operate in all aspects with the utmost level of integrity. We may not be the biggest or the most established firm on the block, but we're willing to go the extra mile to earn your business and your trust. Please contact us today for ANY coin-related questions, comments, or concerns. Whether you're a novice or an experienced collector, affluent or budgeted, actively buying or selling, or just curious and looking to learn more, we're looking forward to hearing from you."
Dan, I assure you I will NEVER contact you or buy anything from you.
Now my response to your post.
My comment stating anyone can post a starting price as high as they want is being taken out of context.
That comment was referring to a seller on EBAY not an auction house such as GC. I am very familiar with selling on Ebay but I have never used an auction house to sell one of my coins so I do not know if a seller can instruct the auction house to set the starting price or if the auction house sets the starting price for the seller.
Either way, the $800 starting bid for the damaged 2019-W Lowell PCGS slabbed coin is absurd and it will never sell. Also, I highly doubt GC is trying to generate bad publicity by setting the $800 price.
My guess is the seller set the price and GC informed the seller not to set that high price or there is an error in the starting price.
I reached out to Ian with the hope he has time to respond with answers to my questions. As I previously stated, after meeting Ian in person I found him to be very welcoming and helpful to me and my interest in the W quarters. 😎
Update on the 2019-W damaged Lowell slabbed by PCGS.
Apparently, the listing has been extinguished by GC and is no longer a live auction.
Glad to see the damaged coin was removed by GC.
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
Wasn't he actually responding to NJ?
Wrong thread.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
Like so many, I'm a collector not looking to resell, nor consider the hoard (a 50 year collection) as an investment. In the months following their initial release several factors were considered. One third party grader only (I chose PCGS as they had the most available), a grade which was relatively high, and a set a price at which I felt reflected the grade population. As we enter 2025, I'm one short of each year in the grade of MS65. The most I've shelled out was $35.00, the lowest $22. As I lack the 2019 American Memorial and 2020 Marsh-Billings, both of which are currently north of $100, I'm holding out for somewhere near the $40 range. This is not unthinkable when looking at the population figures comparative to the other issues and the fact that those which I have are going unsold at this price range, in some cases less. Either way, they will always be sought after simply for the mint facility they represent. No different than New Orleans or Carson City. Just my thoughts.
@WQuarterFreddie -
NONE of your discussions are about "collecting" , they're all inflammatory topics about Vaultbox or the like. Finding W quarters in circulation and reselling them is also not "collecting". Not sure how long you can play the "novice" card either, you've been a member here for 5 years. Do you have a collection? If you did, and you posted it, I would never say anything negative about it. In fact, I would love to see a post of that nature. Recently you promoted a clickbait article to which I tried to explain is not something that should be promoted, and you stubbornly argue about it. Im happy to help novices who actually want to learn about collecting, and I spend more time than anyone trying to do, so I haven't gotten that impression from you so far.
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Freddie has had me on ignore, off and on, for years. So, he and I aren't friends. However, i do think this is a little unfair.
Freddie may not be interested in classic coins. Freddie may not study the numismatic history of the US. But I don't think that's a requirement to be a "collector". If he's only interested in moderns or W's, isn't that good enough?
The members of this forum really aren't the average collector out there. Ask any coin shop owner who spends all day talking to people with collections of Susan B $s and $2 bills. There is room for all of us.
Again, quite ironic that you as a dealer who SELLS his coins complain about me selling some of my W quarters. Hypocritical of you for sure.
Also, most of my discussions that I started have been about W quarters and they have not been closed or deemed inflammatory but there you go again criticizing me for posting about them. How is this thread inflammatory?
The only inflammatory posts I see on this thread are YOUR posts mocking me for selling my First Discovery Quarters and claiming I told you to buy them as great investments which for the record I never said to you or anyone else.
To be clear, yes I have a vast W quarter collection and will be happy to start a thread and post them for you because I know you are eager to prove to others that you really care about my collection.🙄
Your negative posts speak for themselves and it is getting old.
Also, Dan it is time for you and the other members to get over the VaultBox threads.
That is ancient history and I was not the only one to start them or discuss them as a valid product for anyone who wanted to gamble with their money.
I stand by my statement that I will NEVER contact you regarding any coins.😎
My point was that I hadn’t seen him post much about collecting, I never said he wasn’t a collector. The qualifier for being a collector is collecting, whatever it may be. I answer phone calls all week from people who want to search change. And I tell them to search for the w quarters among other things. But if they don’t intend to keep any of them, and they only want to make a profit by reselling, then no, they’re not collectors. If they want to assemble a set or fill out an album , then they would be. I even said that I would love to see his collection, but i wasn’t even sure if he had one because he doesn’t post about it.
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Thank you for your post! The 2 coins you seek are the higher cost W quarters from each set but PCGS MS65 grade is a reasonable goal to try and buy in the $40 range.
For sure if you are successful it will be the rare exception at this point in time.
Good luck in your quest and please provide us updates if you meet one or both of your goals!😎
Lowell - $80
Memorial - $80
San Antonio - $80
Pacific - $15
Church - $35
$80 seems optimistic to me, but I’m not in this market. I don’t know what dealers are offering and I haven’t looked at eBay recently.
Not sure how collecting and dealing makes me a hypocrite, I didn't say selling coins doesn't make you a collector.
To be clear, yes I have a vast W quarter collection and will be happy to start a thread and post them for you because I know you are eager to prove to others that you really care about my collection.🙄
Freddie, go through my comments and count how many times i've commented on someone's new coin, or accomplishment like finishing a set of modern coins or something completely different than what I collect. You're way off base here, I'd be one of the first to congratulate you if you posted something like that or that you had achieved a goal of yours.
Your negative posts speak for themselves and it is getting old
Which ones? This thread is about value retention and I posted a screenshot of APR's relevant to the discussion. My other sarcastic comment was because you made a statement without providing any data or evidence to back it up. Actually, you're the one that makes things personal and starts making ad-hominem attacks, I only point out flaws in your argument.
I stand by my statement that I will NEVER contact you regarding any coins.😎
Don't know why you're trying to hammer this home, I dont care and I wasn't wating by the phone. Nort do I stock anything you'd be interested in.
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The W quarters in strong demand and been good sellers for me. Not a bad investment buy. Better yet super find in change $$.
They retail quicker than I can replace.
The GC auction just ended.
There were (13) 2019-W quarters up for auction.
These all had a minimum opening bid.
Not one of these coins were bid on
There were (5) 2020-W coins up for auction.
2 were not bid on and the 3 that were, went for under $30.00 (not including buyer's premium).
It seems to me that the starting bid prices were way to high or the demand was just not there.
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
To be fair, if the buyer has to pay the buyer's premium, it is part of the cost of the coin, and should be included.
Add $5 + $5 shipping
It took me a few seconds to realize that I wasn’t reading the “This Forum Needs a Little Humor” thread.
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Are these prices for PCGS MS65? If yes, then the following are current average market values based on Ebay completed sales
Lowell $30
Memorial $80
San Antonio $35
Pacific $30
Church $45
Thank you for taking the time to post!😎
Careful Cougar! There are a few members on here that consider any positive comments about W quarters being a "good investment" an inflammatory statement!🤣😂
That's not what I said...I have the receipts.
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Wayne, thank you for the follow up report. A couple of those auctions were for low grade MS62 and MS64 W quarters which I am confused as to why they were even listed. 🤔
Dan, thank you for documenting that the VB threads are ancient history and most are from 2 years ago.
Also, You might want to cut back on drinking your capuchino's! 😉
Time to move on. We all know you are not a fan of mine.
Wait! Isn't that your phone ringing? Better answer it so you can tell all of your customers to search their change for W quarters 🙄.
I love modern quarters, but this thread is bonkers.
Just don't go get yourself banned over a $5 coin in $30 plastic
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Apparently, Mr. Feld decided to take a much needed break from the boards after recently trying to bring sanity to a thread here on Flowing Hair Gold privy coins; literally an impossible task absent a (much needed) slight modification of the rules here (but that discussion is for another day).
Let’s not have this interesting thread on W quarters also quickly deteriorate due to a “lover’s quarrel” between a couple valuable forum members. I don’t give a darn about VaultBox - that discussion has absolutely no place here on this tread. If anyone wants to talk about that topic, please hunt down 18 month old threads and go hurl accusations, or defenses to conduct over there (which I won’t need to waste my time reading). Fair enough?
As to W quarters, I have a couple substantive points to make on the subject, if we can get back on task now. Everyone OK with getting back to discussing the market for W quarters heading into 2025?
Wondercoin.
To be fair, the cheapest W quarter on eBay at the moment is a raw circulated San Antonio for $13.95. I do see one that sold for $5 back in October - it’s circulated and appears damaged.
Yes - 65. I would expect eBay is a more reliable source for most modern coin pricing.
Thank you. I am done with Peak Rarities and my apologies to any member I have upset over my posts.
I would love to get this thread back on track and I welcome anyone who has questions or comments about W quarters.
Wondercoin....your turn to post!
A couple thoughts and comments I have to share on the subject of this thread. First- not too long ago, in 2024, Heritage auctioned off a significant Washington quarter collection (1932-date) in a weekly sales event. The Washington quarters were a tiny portion of a HUGE consignment they received from this particular gentleman. There was the better part of 500 coins (possibly more) in this Washington quarter extravaganza!
I bid on every different sub-series of quarters that night (possibly over 2 nights as I recall), including variety silver quarters, clad quarters, state quarters, territory quarters, W quarters, etc., etc. I won many a lot that night across a wide spectrum of Washington quarters- EXCEPT W quarters where my bids were “blown out of the water”. Does anyone here have the prices realized for the top W quarters that night? They are truly remarkable! If not, I will find them shortly. I’m preparing for a flight to S. Korea, but will have free time about 24 hours from now after I land.
Wondercoin.
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Interesting! Do you remember if they were graded or raw W quarters? If graded were they MS67 or MS68?
Graded, mostly top pops. We should discuss those prices here.
Wondercoin
Unfortunately I don't have the Heritage auction information but I look forward to you providing it tomorrow at your convenience.
Safe travels!😎
I think this is the auction to which Mitch is referring...
https://coins.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=63276&ic=breadcrumb-coins-121913-interior
Jmlanzaf, thank you! Most of these are PCGS graded MS67 and MS68 W quarters.
They still command top dollar for W quarters due to their rarity. 😎
Thanks JM.
Look at those prices in the $5,000’s and even $6,000’s for coins only a few years old. I bid $4,500+ on those better coins and wasn’t even close!
Wondercoin.
Yes. The pricing doesn't surprise me though. There are only two PCGS graded MS68 2019-W Lowell quarters and only ONE PCGS MS68 2020-W Salt River quarter in the world right now.
In my experience, the Salt River W quarters were mostly found in lesser condition with many having grease stains on them. The Lowell's were in much better condition on average.
Thanks to you and JM for providing the data on these very rare W quarters!😎
Hi Freddie...totally with you on these. I always get high interest and good offers on these. I did a lot of work to collect them when they were first issued...drove my wife crazy bringing box after box home from the bank...but even she agrees it was worth it.
As to all the opinions on these...I think the amount of response, both positive and negative, speaks for itself that these coins are an item. Regarding the speculation out there about what's valuable...for my part I'm primarily a small time collector. I don't really care much about error coins and stuff...I'm one of the silly guys who like to fill up the coin folders. My opinion is best expressed with a question...why is any coin valuable? It's just a little chunk of metal. But they say something to us. A coin is worth what someone is willing to pay to have one.
I think the W's are cool for different reasons, but partly because they represent kind of a disruption in the standard established practices...instead of dealers with tons of capitol buying them from the mint and then selling them to the average collector, anybody with 500 bucks and some time on their hands could go get a box and find them, and have a complete set. It was fun.
Final comment; as one who has interacted and traded with you in the past to fill sets, I just want to attest to your integrity and generosity. I really enjoy reading your posts too. Best to you in the new year.
What a great post! Also, thank you for your support and kind words.
Your post is spot on and I totally agree with your assessment of the W quarters.
Are you still searching boxes for them?
Actually am on to the American Women's quarters with my Grandkids...and we have seen no W's along the way.
We have a couple of W advocates in our local club, and we are making converts. A guy at our club sent a Lowell in for grading...and when it came back he sold that one coin for 60 bucks!
Yeah I stopped searching last year. At this point the W quarters are circulated and not in gradeable condition unless you are lucky and get a "unicorn" 2019 or 2020 new coin sealed quarter box or rolls from the bank.
I mean it could happen but the odds are not good.
...which actually is not a totally bad thing for those that did the work to get them when the getting was good!
I miss those days!🤣😂
There are currently 10 W quarters up for auction this week on GC.
They run from ms64 to ms67 in grades.
One is a 10-coin NGC set in ms67.
No bids at this time.
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
In my experience, an NGC graded W quarter is worth less than a PCGS graded W quarter of the same grade. Not even worth discussing ANACS graded W quarters.
Ebay completed auctions clearly document this fact.
I have never tried to crossover an NGC graded W quarter to PCGS but I believe an NGC MS67 will grade as PCGS MS66.
To be clear, I do not have the experience to grade a coin so I am basing my belief on the Ebay completed auctions I have seen over the years.
I agree that ngc coins sell less than pcgs ones.
I do see that many eBay listings are starting to come down in their asking prices and opening bids.
From this, in my opinion, the demand for ms62 to ms66 coins is waning.
I also believe that the ms67 coins are slightly fluctuating but remain pretty consistent in their pricing.
Wayne
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Kennedys are my quest...
For sure, the MS62 to MS64 aren't even worth the price it cost to grade.
The prices for higher graded and raw W quarters are holding strong.
Only 1 W quarter sold last night on GC.
It was a 2020-W America the Beautiful Quarter Tallgrass Prairie National Park V75 PCGS MS-65
1 bid at $39.00. $44.00 with buyers fee.
The other 9, did not receive a bid at all.
Once again in my opinion, it might be time to start lowering the opening bid price if the seller wants to sell.
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
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Thank you for the information. I agree with you that the starting bids are too high.