@HoledandCreative said:
This one looks okay to me. I see coins in this thread that look genuine to me and the vast majority of collectors. How can you be sure that the coin in question is not just a new discovery? How many of them were made by the counterfeiter, and when?
I agree. This is an 1811 C-1 (R.3+). This is known as the close date variety, as the 11 in the date is closer together. I feel comfortable that it is genuine.
Regarding your follow-up questions that speak of counterfeits vs new varieties, census data and dates created, I am not qualified to answer that question. There is a lot of great information surrounding numbers of findings (and where) in the article links @burfle23 posted in this thread.
I am no expert on counterfeits. All I have done here is taken the die variety information that I have learned from @halfcentman 's books (which I highly recommend to anyone studying half cents) and used @burfle23 's tips in this thread. I am glad the thread talked so much about counterfeits, because many more of you will buy a type coin than delve into varieties. These examples may help you avoid buying a fake.
Keep the half cents coming - I never tire of it!
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
How about this one?
Hint: It's one of the 1860's restrikes.
."It's a dangerous business... going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to" -JRR Tolkien_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Outstanding BST transactions as a seller, buyer and trader with: ----- mustanggt, Kliao, claudewill87, MWallace, paesan, mpbuck82, moursund, basetsb, lordmarcovan, JWP, Coin hunter 4, COINS MAKE CENTS, PerryHall, Aspie_Rocco, Braddick, DBSTrader2, SanctionII, Histman, The_Dinosaur_Man, jesbroken, CentSearcher ------ANA Member #3214817
@WilliamF - I am not as knowledgeable on proof re-strikes, but there are some things here that are not sitting well with me. First, the "strike" is super mushy, and the "United States of America" is of particularly poor quality. The berries on a re-strike should be small, but this reverse has large berries.
On the obverse, "Liberty" in the headband is sloppy, and the die break through the R is something I have not seen. There is also no notch in the hair that is present in both original and re-strike proofs.
I put "strike" in quotations, because I do not believe this copy to be struck, but cast. Let me know if I am right.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
@NeophyteNumismatist said: @WilliamF - I am not as knowledgeable on proof re-strikes, but there are some things here that are not sitting well with me. First, the "strike" is super mushy, and the "United States of America" is of particularly poor quality. The berries on a re-strike should be small, but this reverse has large berries.
On the obverse, "Liberty" in the headband is sloppy, and the die break through the R is something I have not seen. There is also no notch in the hair that is present in both original and re-strike proofs.
I put "strike" in quotations, because I do not believe this copy to be struck, but cast. Let me know if I am right.
I believe you are correct
I still cannot see any evidence of it being cast when I look at the edge though, somebody did a good job hiding the casting line, the rest of it is pretty obviously bad though.
It is also a little over 2mm out of tolerance, it's too small.
I bought this on a gamble for $40 bucks with horrible pictures on the off-chance that it might be genuine (and therefore worth quite a bit!) gamble didn't pay off but theres always a chance...
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."It's a dangerous business... going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to" -JRR Tolkien_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Outstanding BST transactions as a seller, buyer and trader with: ----- mustanggt, Kliao, claudewill87, MWallace, paesan, mpbuck82, moursund, basetsb, lordmarcovan, JWP, Coin hunter 4, COINS MAKE CENTS, PerryHall, Aspie_Rocco, Braddick, DBSTrader2, SanctionII, Histman, The_Dinosaur_Man, jesbroken, CentSearcher ------ANA Member #3214817
."It's a dangerous business... going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to" -JRR Tolkien_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Outstanding BST transactions as a seller, buyer and trader with: ----- mustanggt, Kliao, claudewill87, MWallace, paesan, mpbuck82, moursund, basetsb, lordmarcovan, JWP, Coin hunter 4, COINS MAKE CENTS, PerryHall, Aspie_Rocco, Braddick, DBSTrader2, SanctionII, Histman, The_Dinosaur_Man, jesbroken, CentSearcher ------ANA Member #3214817
1832 C-2 (R.1) The highest leaf tip is under the "E" in States of the reverse, and the die crack just before the E attributes this as a later die state.
@burfle23 - I know better than to answer you with quick, obvious answers (C-4). I am going to take my time with this one, but anyone else can feel free to jump-in. The fact that it was graded does not make me want to relax my scrutiny with your coins
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
1832 C-2 (R.1) The highest leaf tip is under the "E" in States of the reverse, and the die crack just before the E attributes this as a later die state.
Cool, thanks
I never even noticed the die crack on the reverse until you pointed it out, neat!
."It's a dangerous business... going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to" -JRR Tolkien_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Outstanding BST transactions as a seller, buyer and trader with: ----- mustanggt, Kliao, claudewill87, MWallace, paesan, mpbuck82, moursund, basetsb, lordmarcovan, JWP, Coin hunter 4, COINS MAKE CENTS, PerryHall, Aspie_Rocco, Braddick, DBSTrader2, SanctionII, Histman, The_Dinosaur_Man, jesbroken, CentSearcher ------ANA Member #3214817
I saw the title of your post and immediately thought of someone in my local coin club who collects half cents. Nice to see you back on here! -Mike Carney
The only thing(s) I can find remotely off is the dot next to the "E" in Liberty, and a die crack that goes down Liberty's neck and through the curl. These are not reflected in the cataloged die states. I can't find anything else - and I would think this is a legitimate C-4... but, I know better.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
@mcarney1173 - Thanks for coming out to my thread. Be sure to tell the guy in your local coin club to come check me out - he may learn something here .
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
The only thing(s) I can find remotely off is the dot next to the "E" in Liberty, and a die crack that goes down Liberty's neck and through the curl. These are not reflected in the cataloged die states. I can't find anything else - and I would think this is a legitimate C-4... but, I know better.
Oh wow - so I was on to it... so cool. And, that "die crack" in the neck is actually a scratch in the source coin (I would have never have guessed that). And... of course there are several attribution points that I missed.
Thanks so much for posting. I feel like I have grown a lot in the past week thanks to you and the others who have posted coins!
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
@jesbroken said: @burfle23
Thank you for your link to your article on 1806 counterfeit half cent. Any chance of having dates and issues for finding the other 13 articles you provided? I would love to read them and learn also. Thank you very much for your assistance with these fakes.
Jim
sorry for the delay - I have been duck hunting this past week.
1806 C-4 (R.1) This variety is known as the large 6, as this 6 touches the drapery of the bust/
1829 C-1 (R.1) There is only one variety for this date. This variety is known for having a die crack in the reverse from the left, bottom leaf of the wreath up through the "C" in Cent.
1850 C-1 (R.1) There is only one variety for this date. The "5" in the date is slightly smaller and slanted.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
@burfle23 this appears to be an 1803 C-3. However, I see the same die scratch in the hair that is present on the other 1806 counterfeit examples, so that makes me this that these were made with the same fake hub with a changed date. Not 100%, but that's my guess anyway.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
sorry for the delay - I have been duck hunting this past week.
1806 C-4 (R.1) This variety is known as the large 6, as this 6 touches the drapery of the bust/
1829 C-1 (R.1) There is only one variety for this date. This variety is known for having a die crack in the reverse from the left, bottom leaf of the wreath up through the "C" in Cent.
1850 C-1 (R.1) There is only one variety for this date. The "5" in the date is slightly smaller and slanted.
Many Thank Yous kind Sir.......
Hopefully there will be lots of duck on the dinner tables.....
This time you made is easy @burfle23. That's a pretty obvious fake. The curve of the shoulder is not right like a C-1 or C-2. The letters in "Liberty", the cap, the fraction and the wreath's proximity to the "U" in United are incorrect. It is neat though.
@HoledandCreative I think your first coin is a C-4 (R.3) by the shape of the bust under the shoulder and what I think I can see of the ribbons of the reverse. Honestly, it's hard for me to tell, but the first coin is a C-3 or C-4, and I think its a C-4.
The second coin is a C-2 (R.3). I can tell this by the shape of the bust under the shoulder and the ribbon being close to the fraction.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
@NeophyteNumismatist said:
This time you made is easy @burfle23. That's a pretty obvious fake. The curve of the shoulder is not right like a C-1 or C-2. The letters in "Liberty", the cap, the fraction and the wreath's proximity to the "U" in United are incorrect. It is neat though.
@CoinHoarder You are correct, this is a C-1. Personally, I don't think this coin would straight grade. There appears to be some pitting on the reverse, and the color seems off in a few spots. However, the pictures posted are not the best to judge, and I believe the color balance of the photo to be off (a guess).
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
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looks like c3 as those 0's in the fraction are quite different than the other reverses. (iirc from looking at the top registry set coins the other day)
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looks like c3 as those 0's in the fraction are quite different than the other reverses. (iirc from looking at the top registry set coins the other day)
NOW, I got it, @burfle23 ! Looking right at the "T" in Liberty! All of your coins have the same defect that is not represented in the die states! BINGO! Fake, fake, fake!!!!
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
@NeophyteNumismatist said:
Oh yeah! Look at the leaves in the wreath! I didn't see that.
Berry smoothed away as well.
So, there are actually 2 "die states" of these fakes; some of the marks of the "original" were repaired in the updating of the reverse. I wrote a couple of articles in both Coin Week and EAC's Penny-Wise on these. The attribution marks are as follows:
@burfle23 so far I have not been able to attribute this. It doesn't match any variety . I know it is not genuine, but I am trying to understand what obverse and reverse were used as a source, The "UN" in United are making me think C-6. But it's missing some attribution points, too. The lettering in "States" looks puffy and sloppy. The spike on the chin is not right.
Is this just a poorly made C-6 counterfeit?
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
@NeophyteNumismatist said: @burfle23 so far I have not been able to attribute this. It doesn't match any variety . I know it is not genuine, but I am trying to understand what obverse and reverse were used as a source, The "UN" in United are making me think C-6. But it's missing some attribution points, too. The lettering in "States" looks puffy and sloppy. The spike on the chin is not right.
Is this just a poorly made C-6 counterfeit?
I agree that it is a EDS C-6 counterfeit poorly made to create anomalies.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Happy New Year @burfle23 ! This counterfeit 1857 C-1 looks better to me on the reverse than the obverse. The obverse looks like the portrait was made from a real coin, but the die break in the hair below the ear is very muted. The date is wrong, with he "1" too thin and the "857" too thick. The denticle around star #5 looks like it sticks out too far.
The strike is another thing. I don't think I have ever seen an 1857 stuck this strong - the radials on the stars, the sharpness in the hair over the date, every denticle is there... and yet that die defect in the hair is mushy (to non-existent).
Thanks for posting it!
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
@Watchtower I am sorry for the delay. I did not see this. I believe your 1804 to be a C-10 (R.1). This is evidenced by the position of the "4" in the date, and the large die crack in the "R" in "America" of the reverse.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
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Wow, thank you, @burfle23.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
I agree. This is an 1811 C-1 (R.3+). This is known as the close date variety, as the 11 in the date is closer together. I feel comfortable that it is genuine.
Regarding your follow-up questions that speak of counterfeits vs new varieties, census data and dates created, I am not qualified to answer that question. There is a lot of great information surrounding numbers of findings (and where) in the article links @burfle23 posted in this thread.
I am no expert on counterfeits. All I have done here is taken the die variety information that I have learned from @halfcentman 's books (which I highly recommend to anyone studying half cents) and used @burfle23 's tips in this thread. I am glad the thread talked so much about counterfeits, because many more of you will buy a type coin than delve into varieties. These examples may help you avoid buying a fake.
Keep the half cents coming - I never tire of it!
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
How about this one?
Hint: It's one of the 1860's restrikes.
."It's a dangerous business... going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to" -JRR Tolkien_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Outstanding BST transactions as a seller, buyer and trader with: ----- mustanggt, Kliao, claudewill87, MWallace, paesan, mpbuck82, moursund, basetsb, lordmarcovan, JWP, Coin hunter 4, COINS MAKE CENTS, PerryHall, Aspie_Rocco, Braddick, DBSTrader2, SanctionII, Histman, The_Dinosaur_Man, jesbroken, CentSearcher ------ANA Member #3214817
@WilliamF - I am not as knowledgeable on proof re-strikes, but there are some things here that are not sitting well with me. First, the "strike" is super mushy, and the "United States of America" is of particularly poor quality. The berries on a re-strike should be small, but this reverse has large berries.
On the obverse, "Liberty" in the headband is sloppy, and the die break through the R is something I have not seen. There is also no notch in the hair that is present in both original and re-strike proofs.
I put "strike" in quotations, because I do not believe this copy to be struck, but cast. Let me know if I am right.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
I believe you are correct
I still cannot see any evidence of it being cast when I look at the edge though, somebody did a good job hiding the casting line, the rest of it is pretty obviously bad though.
It is also a little over 2mm out of tolerance, it's too small.
I bought this on a gamble for $40 bucks with horrible pictures on the off-chance that it might be genuine (and therefore worth quite a bit!) gamble didn't pay off but theres always a chance...
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."It's a dangerous business... going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to" -JRR Tolkien_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Outstanding BST transactions as a seller, buyer and trader with: ----- mustanggt, Kliao, claudewill87, MWallace, paesan, mpbuck82, moursund, basetsb, lordmarcovan, JWP, Coin hunter 4, COINS MAKE CENTS, PerryHall, Aspie_Rocco, Braddick, DBSTrader2, SanctionII, Histman, The_Dinosaur_Man, jesbroken, CentSearcher ------ANA Member #3214817
Okay here's a genuine one for attribution
."It's a dangerous business... going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to" -JRR Tolkien_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Outstanding BST transactions as a seller, buyer and trader with: ----- mustanggt, Kliao, claudewill87, MWallace, paesan, mpbuck82, moursund, basetsb, lordmarcovan, JWP, Coin hunter 4, COINS MAKE CENTS, PerryHall, Aspie_Rocco, Braddick, DBSTrader2, SanctionII, Histman, The_Dinosaur_Man, jesbroken, CentSearcher ------ANA Member #3214817
Thought I would throw one out before the end of the day:
2nd image from another TPG:
@WilliamF
1832 C-2 (R.1) The highest leaf tip is under the "E" in States of the reverse, and the die crack just before the E attributes this as a later die state.
@burfle23 - I know better than to answer you with quick, obvious answers (C-4). I am going to take my time with this one, but anyone else can feel free to jump-in. The fact that it was graded does not make me want to relax my scrutiny with your coins
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
Cool, thanks
I never even noticed the die crack on the reverse until you pointed it out, neat!
."It's a dangerous business... going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to" -JRR Tolkien_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Outstanding BST transactions as a seller, buyer and trader with: ----- mustanggt, Kliao, claudewill87, MWallace, paesan, mpbuck82, moursund, basetsb, lordmarcovan, JWP, Coin hunter 4, COINS MAKE CENTS, PerryHall, Aspie_Rocco, Braddick, DBSTrader2, SanctionII, Histman, The_Dinosaur_Man, jesbroken, CentSearcher ------ANA Member #3214817
I saw the title of your post and immediately thought of someone in my local coin club who collects half cents. Nice to see you back on here! -Mike Carney
@burfle
The only thing(s) I can find remotely off is the dot next to the "E" in Liberty, and a die crack that goes down Liberty's neck and through the curl. These are not reflected in the cataloged die states. I can't find anything else - and I would think this is a legitimate C-4... but, I know better.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
@mcarney1173 - Thanks for coming out to my thread. Be sure to tell the guy in your local coin club to come check me out - he may learn something here
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I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
This one fooled 3 of the top 4 TPGs; my Coin Week article at: https://coinweek.com/counterfeits/struck-counterfeit-coin-of-the-week-1805-c-4-half-cent-1-page-attribution-guide/
Oh wow - so I was on to it... so cool. And, that "die crack" in the neck is actually a scratch in the source coin (I would have never have guessed that). And... of course there are several attribution points that I missed.
Thanks so much for posting. I feel like I have grown a lot in the past week thanks to you and the others who have posted coins!
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
Thanks for the offer, here are my 3 from my type book.
reverse is rotated as pictured
@NeophyteNumismatist
neat. i don't recall seeing the list of articles like that.
i think this is the same link? i just bookmarked
https://coinweek.com/author/jack-d-young/
@habaraca
sorry for the delay - I have been duck hunting this past week.
1806 C-4 (R.1) This variety is known as the large 6, as this 6 touches the drapery of the bust/
1829 C-1 (R.1) There is only one variety for this date. This variety is known for having a die crack in the reverse from the left, bottom leaf of the wreath up through the "C" in Cent.
1850 C-1 (R.1) There is only one variety for this date. The "5" in the date is slightly smaller and slanted.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
@burfle23 this appears to be an 1803 C-3. However, I see the same die scratch in the hair that is present on the other 1806 counterfeit examples, so that makes me this that these were made with the same fake hub with a changed date. Not 100%, but that's my guess anyway.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
Many Thank Yous kind Sir.......
Hopefully there will be lots of duck on the dinner tables.....
I don’t know if you can help with a Half Cent in this condition but thank you for looking.
I believe your coin is an 1808 C-3.
Nice, thank you. I’m impressed.1808 was an interesting year.
Nice one, @halfcentman! I would have never have gotten that one!
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
Here are a couple of early ones for your expertise and fun.
Thought I would add mine:
This time you made is easy @burfle23. That's a pretty obvious fake. The curve of the shoulder is not right like a C-1 or C-2. The letters in "Liberty", the cap, the fraction and the wreath's proximity to the "U" in United are incorrect. It is neat though.
@HoledandCreative I think your first coin is a C-4 (R.3) by the shape of the bust under the shoulder and what I think I can see of the ribbons of the reverse. Honestly, it's hard for me to tell, but the first coin is a C-3 or C-4, and I think its a C-4.
The second coin is a C-2 (R.3). I can tell this by the shape of the bust under the shoulder and the ribbon being close to the fraction.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
Thank you!
Is this an 1806, small 6 stemless?
Would it straight grade?
@NeophyteNumismatist great thread!
Started as a GMM!
@CoinHoarder You are correct, this is a C-1. Personally, I don't think this coin would straight grade. There appears to be some pitting on the reverse, and the color seems off in a few spots. However, the pictures posted are not the best to judge, and I believe the color balance of the photo to be off (a guess).
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
A tougher one
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More clues
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looks like c3 as those 0's in the fraction are quite different than the other reverses. (iirc from looking at the top registry set coins the other day)
now whether it is authenmatic or not...
Check the certs...
NOW, I got it, @burfle23 ! Looking right at the "T" in Liberty! All of your coins have the same defect that is not represented in the die states! BINGO! Fake, fake, fake!!!!
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
I love how the certs come up "not genuine" and "contact customer service" in the grade!
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
Yea, I reported all of them at the time...
The probable genuine source example:
Some re-engraving went on with the counterfeits
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Oh yeah! Look at the leaves in the wreath! I didn't see that.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
Berry smoothed away as well.
So, there are actually 2 "die states" of these fakes; some of the marks of the "original" were repaired in the updating of the reverse. I wrote a couple of articles in both Coin Week and EAC's Penny-Wise on these. The attribution marks are as follows:
I love this stuff! Thanks so much for your contributions, @burfle23 ! You da man!!!!
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
A current internet selling venue example for attribution:
@burfle23 so far I have not been able to attribute this. It doesn't match any variety . I know it is not genuine, but I am trying to understand what obverse and reverse were used as a source, The "UN" in United are making me think C-6. But it's missing some attribution points, too. The lettering in "States" looks puffy and sloppy. The spike on the chin is not right.
Is this just a poorly made C-6 counterfeit?
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
I agree that it is a EDS C-6 counterfeit poorly made to create anomalies.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
You are both correct! The listing was removed...
Matches one in my Coin Week article
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Happy New Year @burfle23 ! This counterfeit 1857 C-1 looks better to me on the reverse than the obverse. The obverse looks like the portrait was made from a real coin, but the die break in the hair below the ear is very muted. The date is wrong, with he "1" too thin and the "857" too thick. The denticle around star #5 looks like it sticks out too far.
The strike is another thing. I don't think I have ever seen an 1857 stuck this strong - the radials on the stars, the sharpness in the hair over the date, every denticle is there... and yet that die defect in the hair is mushy (to non-existent).
Thanks for posting it!
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
I've got a half cent as well that I would really like to know more about please..
@Watchtower I am sorry for the delay. I did not see this. I believe your 1804 to be a C-10 (R.1). This is evidenced by the position of the "4" in the date, and the large die crack in the "R" in "America" of the reverse.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.