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**** 2023 MORGAN & PEACE SILVER DOLLARS OFFICIAL THREAD****

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  • MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RichR said:
    [[my credit card was 'hit' for $0.00 when the enrollment order was 'placed/processed']]

    With HHLs and cost per coin still up in the air, I would assume that they won't actually charge your card until months from now...when they also send out their standard "Please confirm your credit card/shipping details, etc." email.

    @grote15 said:
    Yes, you wont get charged till order ships.

    I agree with both of you on this point. :)

    @derryb asked why credit cards were being hit this far in advance of actual shipment.
    My comment about a $0.00 credit card hit was targeted at him.
    In short, I was attempting to convey that the Mint is not actually charging for the item at this juncture.
    Instead, they are likely verifying the payment information provided during enrollment purchase via a $0.00 hit.

  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The most advanced and up to date brain thrust available is currently working on HHL and price. 😉🙀🦫

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The enrollments are up😉🙀🦫

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All of my enrollments have been restored on the Mint Website.

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    data available on all of these coins shows 99.0 must be a fixed setting for now. We may get some verification of how many orders have been accepted this week.

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • All of my enrollments have been restored on the Mint Website.

    My enrollments restored also. :D

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gabodymod said:

    All of my enrollments have been restored on the Mint Website.

    My enrollments restored also. :D

    Welcome to the Forum. Much can be learned here.

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • JeffMJeffM Posts: 587 ✭✭✭✭

    Yep. My enrollments are restored too. All are there and correct. Looks good.

  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ditto, my enrollments are up...

    Editing is quick & easy. But active or not, I don't see any way to completely delete an enrollment.

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  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's-News-To-Me: "All enrollments receive free budget shipping."
    https://catalog.usmint.gov/shop/enrollments/

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  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Currently there is no way to completely delete an enrollment on line. Maybe by calling customer service but good luck with that. :s

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • JeffMJeffM Posts: 587 ✭✭✭✭

    If these enrollments work smoothly, this is a great way to neutralize the flippers and their bots.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,779 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 11, 2022 11:10AM

    @JeffM said:
    If these enrollments work smoothly, this is a great way to neutralize the flippers and their bots.

    it's the limits on the enrollments that help neutralize the flippers. Flippers will still be there with enrollments but the limits allow many more flippers to get into the game. Enrollment limits reduce each flipper's profitability. Last enrollment products (2022 ASEs) had enrollment limits of 100 each. Lowering not only Household limits on day of sale but lowering enrollment limits as well allows more buyers to have direct access to the product.

    I would imagine most here intend to flip at least some of their enrollment, why else would they buy three of the same coin. Nothing wrong with flipping, it funds many a true coin collection.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • JeffMJeffM Posts: 587 ✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @JeffM said:
    If these enrollments work smoothly, this is a great way to neutralize the flippers and their bots.

    it's the limits on the enrollments that help neutralize the flippers. Flippers will still be there with enrollments but the limits allow many more flippers to get into the game. Enrollment limits reduce each flipper's profitability. Last enrollment products (2022 ASEs) had enrollment limits of 100 each. Lowering not only Household limits on day of sale but lowering enrollment limits as well allows more buyers to have direct access to the product.

    I would imagine most here intend to flip at least some of their enrollment, why else would they buy three of the same coin. Nothing wrong with flipping, it funds many a true coin collection.

    Yes, the HHL does the trick. Plus, with the advance enrollments, anyone that wants a coin can sign up for it (as long as the enrollment is still open). With the day of sale releases, the flippers and their pet bots would buy everything up in minutes (unless the mintage is high). I signed up for all the Morgan and Peace dollars and the ASE proof S. I most likely would not win the fight for these coins if the only way you can get them is on release day. Happened many times in the past.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,779 ✭✭✭✭✭

    low limits on enrollments also allow more collectors to make direct enrollment purchases which in turn reduces after market demand that in the past has allowed flipping to flourish.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • alangloialangloi Posts: 35 ✭✭✭

    I put in a request for 3 of each of the Peace offering. One for me and two for family members. The request was email confirmed this morning. What a refreshing change in ordering. My brother received a flyer from the Mint yesterday and clued me in, I hope I get the flyer today. I'm surprised that they have not yet sold out on all of the Peace/Morgan offering.

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alangloi said:
    I put in a request for 3 of each of the Peace offering. I'm surprised that they have not yet sold out on all of the Peace/Morgan offering.

    HHL limit of 3 and many collectors not aware of enrollments yet will keep them available for awhile. Not to mention the high quantities to be produced

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • NorCalJackNorCalJack Posts: 538 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I also ordered 3 of each. One for me, one for my dad and an extra one just to have on hand. You never know when you want to give someone a gift.

    This way of purchasing is way less stressful than the last release. I was able to get the P, D, S Morgan and Peace last time, but missed out on the O and CC. I would still like to pick these up but waiting for prices to come down some more.

    I will probably continue buying the Morgan and Peace dollars as long as they make them. I got lucky with my first issues, they are all flawless and no issues. I also like that Denver will not be making any of these new coins. Denver had quality issues and again I got lucky and all three were flawless. But I would not be happy with any strike throughs.

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,131 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just ordered three of everything. Trying to decide whether or not to get more with my extra account. Can you cancel these enrollments if they end up being a flop?

  • Glen2022Glen2022 Posts: 926 ✭✭✭✭

    Went on the Mint website to see if my enrollments were accepted. Found them entered on the web site. I guess I hie the send button twice as it showed two enrollments for 3 each for each of the five categories. Will the Mint reduce the enrollments to 3 each?

    Also enrollments still available as of now 7/11/22 at 9:15 am PST

  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jwitten said:
    Just ordered three of everything. Trying to decide whether or not to get more with my extra account. Can you cancel these enrollments if they end up being a flop?

    Do it you can always sell them and pay for the ones you keep. Free coins come on your not going crazy now are you. Lol😉😉



    Hoard the keys.
  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Type2 said:

    @jwitten said:
    Just ordered three of everything. Trying to decide whether or not to get more with my extra account. Can you cancel these enrollments if they end up being a flop?

    Do it you can always sell them and pay for the ones you keep. Free coins come on your not going crazy now are you. Lol😉😉

    .
    Or you can return the items you don't want within 7 days for a refund.

    But if you habitually return stuff: "The United States Mint reserves the right to limit or refuse a return or to charge a fee for excessive returns. In addition, the Mint reserves the right to suspend accounts of customers with a pattern of excessive returns."

    Years ago I made one return. IIRC, my refund took a month or so.

    More info: https://catalog.usmint.gov/customer-service/shipping.html#return-policy

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  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I did not see anything in the weekly Mint sales figures for these enrollments and do not expect to. In the past Coin World
    has received and reported allocations for enrollments on some coins, however I have not seen anything on these coins.
    When I get information on quantities available for enrollments or the quantities of enrollments accepted so far I will post in this thread.

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • JeffMJeffM Posts: 587 ✭✭✭✭

    Can't wait to see and get these coins. They should be stunning!

  • JWPJWP Posts: 22,105 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MilesWaits said:
    I am all about the maximum on the Peace dollars!

    Have you already signed up for the enrollment on the peace and Morgan dollars with the mint yet?

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  • oilers99oilers99 Posts: 221 ✭✭✭

    Is there a chance that they can send out all the enrollments in one group, or will each product be staggered over the course of 2023?

  • stawickstawick Posts: 469 ✭✭✭✭

    @Bullsitter said:

    Thx for the info. Explains the Unc P mint mark enrollments. I'm a little underwhelmed by the UNC, but might as well go for the whole set.
    I missed out on the original sale of the CC and O last time around, due to the bots and site crashes, etc. Paid a premium to have an example of each afterward. Really didnt want them at 1st, but truly DO like the designs - so I was hooked.

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oilers99 said:
    Is there a chance that they can send out all the enrollments in one group, or will each product be staggered over the course of 2023?

    Always a chance but most likely they will all be shipped out over several weeks like they did with the 2021s

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • BucketHeadBucketHead Posts: 129 ✭✭✭

    @HATTRICK said:
    I did not see anything in the weekly Mint sales figures for these enrollments and do not expect to. In the past Coin World
    has received and reported allocations for enrollments on some coins, however I have not seen anything on these coins.
    When I get information on quantities available for enrollments or the quantities of enrollments accepted so far I will post in this thread.

    On the mint's website it is stating that the mintage will be:

    275K for the unc. Morgan and Peace
    400k for the Proof Morgan and Peace
    250K for the Rev Proof

    I'm sure they reserve the right to revise these numbers as they do with the pricing.

  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,338 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 14, 2022 7:20AM

    JWP, yes I did, initiated the subscription for Peace Dollars only.

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BucketHead
    The posted mintage limits are not likely to change although it is possible. I was referring to how many of those will be available for enrollment. 10% will be reserved for the bulk dealers and in the past some was held for release date sales. Remember that box of chocolates thing. 😃

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • BucketHeadBucketHead Posts: 129 ✭✭✭

    @HATTRICK said:
    I was referring to how many of those will be available for enrollment. 10% will be reserved for the bulk dealers and in the past some was held for release date sales. Remember that box of chocolates thing. 😃

    Gotcha.

    I would like to think that they would segregate the allotment for the bulk dealers and just let the rest go all enrollment and sell anything on release date that is not earmarked for anyone. I’m sure that with 7+ months of lead time there will be plenty available after dealing with all the expired credit cards.

    Any way I look at it this still seems so much better than last years Morgan/Peace chaos.

    Cheers.

  • IKUIKU Posts: 65 ✭✭✭
    edited July 13, 2022 9:06PM

    "because of supply chain problems securing adequate .999 fine silver blanks to meet anticipated demand."

    • In plain language because of Ukrainian war Russia was not able to export Siberian silver for U.S.A's bullion morgans.
  • JeffMJeffM Posts: 587 ✭✭✭✭

    @IKU said:
    "because of supply chain problems securing adequate .999 fine silver blanks to meet anticipated demand."

    • In plain language because of Ukrainian war Russia was not able to export Siberian silver for U.S.A's bullion morgans.

    Darn!! I really love my Siberian silver coins........except for the fact that I need to store them in my freezer.

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    New story on CW this morning only restates info from mint website. No new info yet on how many enrollments have been requested so far or how much of the mintage will be allocated to enrollments. It will be awhile before these coins are released and any new info will be posted here.
    Plenty of time to easily obtain these coins if you want.

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,779 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Per 7/15 CoinWorld:

    "The program was originally introduced in 2021 to mark the centennial anniversary of the transition of production from the Morgan to the Peace dollar. It is now intended to be an annual program, with the exception of the 2022 coinage."

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,779 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2022 2:08PM

    @HATTRICK said:
    @BucketHead
    The posted mintage limits are not likely to change although it is possible. I was referring to how many of those will be available for enrollment. 10% will be reserved for the bulk dealers and in the past some was held for release date sales. Remember that box of chocolates thing. 😃

    Availability of silver blanks could affect final mintages. These are not the same blanks used for ASEs. The ASE weighs in at one full oz while the 2021 Peace/Morgan weighs in at .858 oz and has a slightly smaller diameter.

    Notably, while the various silver commemorative coins offered each year have the same diameter as the Peace/Morgan, specifications for both show the Peace/Morgan to weigh .001 oz less than the silver coms. Assuming there are no changes to the 2023 Peace/Morgan specs, they will once again require a unique silver blank.

    Silver blank shortage cancels 2022 Peace/Morgan dollars.

    "The Mint is supplied with silver blanks by two vendors — Sunshine Minting Inc., with operations in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, and Henderson, Nevada, and Leach Garner, headquartered in Attleboro, Massachusetts. The U.S. Mint secures 38.1-millimeter silver blanks for the Morgan and Peace dollars and commemorative silver dollars, and 40.6-millimeter blanks for American Eagle silver dollars."

    One would assume the Mint would not announce mintages unless it had sufficient blanks in hand.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb
    Thanks for the insight. As always, It isn’t over until the Mint Lady sings

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They can’t sell the burnished ase’s ( as their still available. ). They can’t ship the colorized Purple Heart coins, even though they had months to prepare.
    Seems as though they are adding a new flavor to the box.
    Turd tasty treats to remind us how they feel about their customers 🤨🙀🦫

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Enrollments are still available and based on the way the 2022 ASEs sales are going I expect many of these will also be available when they go on sale next year.

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,779 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 22, 2022 12:02PM

    Price, and price alone, is what is hurting what would normally be more robust mint sales of collector ASEs.

    ASE premiums have put a large dent in demand for US mint ASE products.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • TxCollectorTxCollector Posts: 424 ✭✭✭✭

    Too bad the mint doesn’t publish enrollment numbers along with weekly sales in order for people to gauge interest.

  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 3,924 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So when do you think the enrollments will hit the SOLD OUT mode? Isn't that what occurred with the ASE's recently? Sellout via enrollments? Hmmmm, should be interesting, again!!

  • TxCollectorTxCollector Posts: 424 ✭✭✭✭

    @Onastone said:
    So when do you think the enrollments will hit the SOLD OUT mode? Isn't that what occurred with the ASE's recently? Sellout via enrollments? Hmmmm, should be interesting, again!!

    I wish I could provide even a halfway worthwhile answer.

  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 3,924 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for this thread @HATTRICK I would've missed this. Seriously, didn't see this for 3 weeks as you began the post in June!!

  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Onastone said:
    So when do you think the enrollments will hit the SOLD OUT mode?

    .

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  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 3,924 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At least Betty White will know, but she's not sayin'.

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