The seller accepts returns and even he offers to pay the return shipping. If you're not happy with the coin, what is wrong with returning it?
He bought a PCGS graded details coin and he got a PCGS graded details coin. I don't think it's exactly fair to buy a coin labeled "cleaned" and then complain that it looks cleaned.
Whether it was cleaned or not isn’t the issue, though. The issue is that the buyer expected to receive one thing but received another. One could argue that buyer’s expectations were completely unreasonable, but this wasn’t a sight-unseen wholesale transaction, it was a transaction the buyer entered into in large part because of the photos. Realistically there needs to be some expectation of variance from the photos to in-hand, but if it’s egregious (in the buyer’s eyes) and the seller offers a return policy, it’s hard to see how that isn’t “fair”.
So, is it fair for me to buy a coin that I think might upgrade if cracked out but return it if I decide it won't? Is it fair for me to buy bullion thinking it is going to go up but return it if it didn't?
The OP said he thought it might straight grade if resubmitted. Turns out PCGS was right all along. There are costs to the seller in running an approval service. If the OP wants to return it, paying shipping costs both ways plus any nonrecoverable costs, then fine. But if the seller ends up paying one cent for his cleaned coin being cleaned, I don't think that's exactly fair.
You can't gamble on someone else's dime.
Gamble? I bought what I was looking at in the picture! I didn't get what I was looking at in the picture. I was expecting an old cleaning...but it was not. Let's see others track records. I've probably bought 3-400K worth of coins on ebay without returning anything. Yes, I've eaten a few....but most were honest mistakes or overlooks. This coin wasn't cheap....I paid around 50% over problem free greysheet for it! This coin could have been accurately pictured and mine are actually cause for a return because I can't get the polished look to show!
Yes. GAMBLE. You said yourself that you bought it thinking you could crack it out.
You asked for opinions. You got them. You can argue all you want. If your mind is made up, why ask?
I assume you have a no questions asked return policy yourself.
Ignoring for the moment what buyers can force on eBay sellers and assuming that both parties are acting in good faith, I can see both sides here. If you're putting together a set and are trying to match the look of the coins, it would be disappointing to find the coin you bought didn't fit. A return in this situation doesn't seem unreasonable. "Cleaned" is a pretty big bucket, after all. On the other hand, buying a coin because you think you might be able to get it into a better holder and wanting to return it because you realize you can't seems a little like a "Heads I win, tails you lose" scenario.
The seller accepts returns and even he offers to pay the return shipping. If you're not happy with the coin, what is wrong with returning it?
He bought a PCGS graded details coin and he got a PCGS graded details coin. I don't think it's exactly fair to buy a coin labeled "cleaned" and then complain that it looks cleaned.
Whether it was cleaned or not isn’t the issue, though. The issue is that the buyer expected to receive one thing but received another. One could argue that buyer’s expectations were completely unreasonable, but this wasn’t a sight-unseen wholesale transaction, it was a transaction the buyer entered into in large part because of the photos. Realistically there needs to be some expectation of variance from the photos to in-hand, but if it’s egregious (in the buyer’s eyes) and the seller offers a return policy, it’s hard to see how that isn’t “fair”.
So, is it fair for me to buy a coin that I think might upgrade if cracked out but return it if I decide it won't? Is it fair for me to buy bullion thinking it is going to go up but return it if it didn't?
The OP said he thought it might straight grade if resubmitted. Turns out PCGS was right all along. There are costs to the seller in running an approval service. If the OP wants to return it, paying shipping costs both ways plus any nonrecoverable costs, then fine. But if the seller ends up paying one cent for his cleaned coin being cleaned, I don't think that's exactly fair.
You can't gamble on someone else's dime.
Gamble? I bought what I was looking at in the picture! I didn't get what I was looking at in the picture. I was expecting an old cleaning...but it was not. Let's see others track records. I've probably bought 3-400K worth of coins on ebay without returning anything. Yes, I've eaten a few....but most were honest mistakes or overlooks. This coin wasn't cheap....I paid around 50% over problem free greysheet for it! This coin could have been accurately pictured and mine are actually cause for a return because I can't get the polished look to show!
I assume you have a no questions asked return policy yourself.
I do...but that doesn't mean I can't question a return...and I accept them!
@jughead1893 said:
Are you a dealer ? If so, take your lumps. imho
I am a dealer and I am a collector. When I buy coins for my collection I pay what it takes. Out of the 23 coins I have posted in my Seated Dollar thread...I might have bought 1 or 2 at a level a dealer would pay for them. The rest I have paid way,way more than a dealer would ever consider paying for them! Most have been purchased for more than PCGS price guide!
The seller accepts returns and even he offers to pay the return shipping. If you're not happy with the coin, what is wrong with returning it?
He bought a PCGS graded details coin and he got a PCGS graded details coin. I don't think it's exactly fair to buy a coin labeled "cleaned" and then complain that it looks cleaned.
Whether it was cleaned or not isn’t the issue, though. The issue is that the buyer expected to receive one thing but received another. One could argue that buyer’s expectations were completely unreasonable, but this wasn’t a sight-unseen wholesale transaction, it was a transaction the buyer entered into in large part because of the photos. Realistically there needs to be some expectation of variance from the photos to in-hand, but if it’s egregious (in the buyer’s eyes) and the seller offers a return policy, it’s hard to see how that isn’t “fair”.
So, is it fair for me to buy a coin that I think might upgrade if cracked out but return it if I decide it won't? Is it fair for me to buy bullion thinking it is going to go up but return it if it didn't?
The OP said he thought it might straight grade if resubmitted. Turns out PCGS was right all along. There are costs to the seller in running an approval service. If the OP wants to return it, paying shipping costs both ways plus any nonrecoverable costs, then fine. But if the seller ends up paying one cent for his cleaned coin being cleaned, I don't think that's exactly fair.
You can't gamble on someone else's dime.
Gamble? I bought what I was looking at in the picture! I didn't get what I was looking at in the picture. I was expecting an old cleaning...but it was not. Let's see others track records. I've probably bought 3-400K worth of coins on ebay without returning anything. Yes, I've eaten a few....but most were honest mistakes or overlooks. This coin wasn't cheap....I paid around 50% over problem free greysheet for it! This coin could have been accurately pictured and mine are actually cause for a return because I can't get the polished look to show!
I assume you have a no questions asked return policy yourself.
I do...but that doesn't mean I can't question a return...and I accept them!
Lol. I think by definition you can't have a no questions asked return policy and then ask questions.
@MasonG said:
Ignoring for the moment what buyers can force on eBay sellers and assuming that both parties are acting in good faith, I can see both sides here. If you're putting together a set and are trying to match the look of the coins, it would be disappointing to find the coin you bought didn't fit. A return in this situation doesn't seem unreasonable. "Cleaned" is a pretty big bucket, after all. On the other hand, buying a coin because you think you might be able to get it into a better holder and wanting to return it because you realize you can't seems a little like a "Heads I win, tails you lose" scenario.
That's why I think it's unfair to just return it. Certainly, he can work out any deal he wants with the seller. But his reason for returning it is simply that it is what it said it was and not better.
@Walkerfan said:
You already knew it was cleaned, so not fair to the seller, IMHO.
Want me to post 2 different levels of cleaned. I'm surprised at your comment. We've all seen coins slabbed as cleaned that made us scratch our heads....and even later got them in straight grade holders!
Fair enough. That is true.
Personally, I wouldn't buy a details coin, regardless of the level of cleaning/polishing.
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
The seller accepts returns and even he offers to pay the return shipping. If you're not happy with the coin, what is wrong with returning it?
He bought a PCGS graded details coin and he got a PCGS graded details coin. I don't think it's exactly fair to buy a coin labeled "cleaned" and then complain that it looks cleaned.
Whether it was cleaned or not isn’t the issue, though. The issue is that the buyer expected to receive one thing but received another. One could argue that buyer’s expectations were completely unreasonable, but this wasn’t a sight-unseen wholesale transaction, it was a transaction the buyer entered into in large part because of the photos. Realistically there needs to be some expectation of variance from the photos to in-hand, but if it’s egregious (in the buyer’s eyes) and the seller offers a return policy, it’s hard to see how that isn’t “fair”.
So, is it fair for me to buy a coin that I think might upgrade if cracked out but return it if I decide it won't? Is it fair for me to buy bullion thinking it is going to go up but return it if it didn't?
The OP said he thought it might straight grade if resubmitted. Turns out PCGS was right all along. There are costs to the seller in running an approval service. If the OP wants to return it, paying shipping costs both ways plus any nonrecoverable costs, then fine. But if the seller ends up paying one cent for his cleaned coin being cleaned, I don't think that's exactly fair.
You can't gamble on someone else's dime.
Gamble? I bought what I was looking at in the picture! I didn't get what I was looking at in the picture. I was expecting an old cleaning...but it was not. Let's see others track records. I've probably bought 3-400K worth of coins on ebay without returning anything. Yes, I've eaten a few....but most were honest mistakes or overlooks. This coin wasn't cheap....I paid around 50% over problem free greysheet for it! This coin could have been accurately pictured and mine are actually cause for a return because I can't get the polished look to show!
I assume you have a no questions asked return policy yourself.
I do...but that doesn't mean I can't question a return...and I accept them!
Lol. I think by definition you can't hand a no questions asked return policy and then ask questions.
I can ask them to myself! My return rate is less than 1% and I do sell a fair bit!
@MasonG said:
Ignoring for the moment what buyers can force on eBay sellers and assuming that both parties are acting in good faith, I can see both sides here. If you're putting together a set and are trying to match the look of the coins, it would be disappointing to find the coin you bought didn't fit. A return in this situation doesn't seem unreasonable. "Cleaned" is a pretty big bucket, after all. On the other hand, buying a coin because you think you might be able to get it into a better holder and wanting to return it because you realize you can't seems a little like a "Heads I win, tails you lose" scenario.
That's why I think it's unfair to just return it. Certainly, he can work out any deal he wants with the seller. But his reason for returning it is simply that it is what it said it was and not better.
No it is not! It looks nothing like the picture. I'm actually surprised PCGS didn't call it polished!
@Walkerfan said:
You already knew it was cleaned, so not fair to the seller, IMHO.
Want me to post 2 different levels of cleaned. I'm surprised at your comment. We've all seen coins slabbed as cleaned that made us scratch our heads....and even later got them in straight grade holders!
Fair enough. That is true.
Personally, I wouldn't buy a details coin, regardless of the level of cleaning/polishing.
I can think of a particular coin I tried like H to get in a 58+ holder for my Barber Half Set! It started life in my possession in a PCI 64 holder. I sent it in raw and PCGS graded it 62, then AU details cleaned, then Unc details cleaned and finally 61 and I sold it! So there! I still wish I got that 08-S in a 58+ holder as it was a clean(mark wise) nice coin with booming luster!
You should return it not satisfied. Send a little explanation that you only bought the coin based on the darker toning and that in hand it was much different. Thank the seller for working with you and make it professional.
That is the way it goes in the coin business. Sometimes a few coins are returned.
@ARCO said:
You should return it not satisfied. Send a little explanation that you only bought the coin based on the darker toning and that in hand it was much different. Thank the seller for working with you and make it professional.
That is the way it goes in the coin business. Sometimes a few coins are returned.
@ARCO said:
You should return it not satisfied. Send a little explanation that you only bought the coin based on the darker toning and that in hand it was much different. Thank the seller for working with you and make it professional.
That is the way it goes in the coin business. Sometimes a few coins are returned.
Finally, the voice of reason!
You mean, finally a voice that agrees with what you had already decided.
NO. I personally would not want to own that coin. But the OP's pictures make the coin look FAR superior to the seller's pictures. OP should be very happy with the coin.
I don't know you or your motives, so this is a question not an accusation. Why start this poll in the first place unless you are feeling guilty about returning the coin, and you are now looking for validation in order to ease your conscience. With that said, if you legitimately bought this coin and feel you were mislead (hard to believe since the coin was in a details holder) then by all means return the coin, as long as, the seller offers a no questions return policy. However, if you bought the coin thinking you were going to get a rip, then I think you should take your lumps and keep the coin.
I wouldn't return it for reasons very similar to those voiced by Mark Feld. Take your lumps and move on. BTW That obverse gouge would have been an instant turn-off for me. Tough date. This is a series that requires much patience (I need seven coins) to avoid acquiring sub-standard coins. This is an example of the majority of Seated Dollars out there. Cleaned with additional issues.
Good luck Darrell.
Jim
I want some of you to think about this....what's the most important part of your decision to buy a coin? I would wager it's the pictures. Of course the description has weight, but there needs to be a description other than the item pictured is the item you will receive. If I'm unable to capture something the picture I am able to take will not show, I do my best to describe the discrepancies.
I see a lot of hypocrisy here. Go back and look at some of your attacks on sellers that use stock photos! What's the difference? If the picture is inaccurate it doesn't matter. After all, you would be getting what is advertised...No?
For a few of you commenting I was trying to make a rip...I hardly think so with what I paid. I was looking to add a coin that would sit in my set until I found a better example. This one is just not even close and I really think PCGS should have dubbed it polished. That's why the photos look the way they do now that I have played with it.
While it may not matter to many of you. I see the pack mentality here. Many of you have lost a lot of my respect. Some really surprised me. While it may not matter now, it might in the future.
I originally said "No." Especially because this was clearly indicated to be a "Details" coin AND this is a dealer who specializes in this coin type.
HOWEVER, I thought about it some more. Until CAC came along I would only buy coins I had seen in hand. I had many offers from dealers I met to send me coins on approval which I politely declined. Selling coins sight unseen, no matter how good the pictures are, is an opportunity for the seller to sell a coin without needing to conduct a face to face transaction. If Heritage allows returns in a BIN, the honorable thing to do would be to graciously accept the return. Especially from a good client with with a past record of few or no returns. I do agree the buyer would have been smarter to ask Mark Feld his opinion before buying the coin. In this case, I would have; but, I would still expect to return the coin if I was not comfortable with it as long as Heritage allowed it. If the coin could not be returned, I would not buy it.
I'm sorry to return this and I know it's a hard coin to take pictures of. It just doesn't match a set I am trying to build. I took a couple of pictures that address the lack of toning, but don't show the polished look of the coin. You are welcome to use them if you think it will prevent the coin from becoming a boomerang when you relist it. I will pay for the return shipping.
Best Regards,
The OP is handling this in a forward and civil way. He isn't throwing down the seller- simply stating the coin doesn't work in the set he is building.
I now see no problem with this return as the seller is only out time and not funds, whereas the buyer would have been unhappy with a $900.+ purchase.
@amwldcoin said:
While it may not matter to many of you. I see the pack mentality here. Many of you have lost a lot of my respect. Some really surprised me. While it may not matter now, it might in the future.
To be fair, you asked for opinions. This doesn't seem to be a good way to encourage participation in future discussions.
I have not read through every post, but based on the op, my observations would be:
if this is a coin dealer that offer return privileges, than I would take advantage of it. If it costs you shipping(which is fair) I would still return it, as you will not be happy with it.
I view this as part of there business and they have factored some returns into their pricing and business model
If they do not offer returns, and you are trying to fight this, then I would say, you are treading on thin ice. You have enough experience to know that many photos are glamour shots. You took a chance, and you should just flip the coin for break even or a small loss
-if they do not take returns and this is a seller that you bought from before or would be buying from in the future, I would likely try to reach an amicable business solution that keeps the relationship in good standing.
You are building a nice circulated seated dollar set based on some of your other posts. The hit at 9 o’clock should have disqualified this coin from your set regardless of the cleaning.
The TV and seller photos look cleaned to me though not polished. I wouldn’t return the coin if I bought it but your message to seller was at least polite about it.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
I’m shocked at the poll results.
If the coin truly looks like what your pictures show then 110% return it. It looks nothing like the TV or seller photos.
I wouldn’t care about the cleaning designation of the coin had that really nice dark color that is shown in the TV.
@amwldcoin said:
While it may not matter to many of you. I see the pack mentality here. Many of you have lost a lot of my respect. Some really surprised me. While it may not matter now, it might in the future.
To be fair, you asked for opinions. This doesn't seem to be a good way to encourage participation in future discussions.
Frankly, a rather despicable conclusion. No one said they would lose respect for the OP no matter what choice he made. No one insulted the OP. Yet when we give the opinion we were asked to provide, he loses respect? Then again, what is that respect worth?
Great thread. Thanks. Personally, I never return any coins unless grossly mis-represented. You knew it was cleaned when you purchased it. Why take a chance on a details coin if you know it is not what you want to begin with? Auction sales are sold for the most part and are not approval services. Most 19th century silver coins were cleaned. You see a lot more of them in NGC and ANACS holders (not ID'ed as so) then PCGS holders. Some sellers will ban you if you return a coin. In the end, it is up to you, my opinion means nothing. If you have a good relationship with this seller, you may tarnish it. JMWO (Just My Worthless Opinion)
@silverman68 said:
I have noticed that the True Views always look better/different than the coin in hand.
This is so true, the bad thing is that a lot of seller's are starting to just put the True View photos up on there listing because i guess it's easier than taking the time to take picture's.
I would not return it. However, I buy very few coins on ebay, and when I do, I realize there can be differences between what I receive and what I saw on the listing. That being said, if the issues were radical (a matter of opinion sometimes), I would return it. In this case, seeing the listing, the pictures - but not the coin in hand... Well, I would keep it. Cheers, RickO
I had a pleasant exchange with the seller. He understands and doesn't have a problem with the return. He also thanked me for the pictures and said he hoped to get a better camera this summer. And for @MasonG It's been so long since I have returned anything the ebay system has changed quite a bit. It seems they require you to use their return label as I could find nowhere to upload my own tracking number. That said I'm including $20 which should cover most, if not all the shipping both ways!
No.
It is always a chance that you take when you go by the pictures and not seeing the coin in hand.
To me, the label said it all.
I would also have been disappointed if I had bought this coin.
Wayne
If it was labled cleaned and it showed up cleaned then don't return it, unless there is a return clause from the seller. I once made an offer on a cleaned key date coin on impulse and regreted it immediately, but still paid as agreed. (Not saying this is your situation, just an example from my personal experience).
If the seller allows returns then go for it. If not, then congratulations on a new coin to your collection.
I must say I certainly learned something about coin pictures from this. I guess I have never photographed or purchased a polished coin before, which I think is how it should have been labeled. If you catch the polished sheen of the coin it imparts the toning in the TV and the sellers pictures. This is the best I was able to come up with, can almost see it on the reverse. Any other angle and the coin turns steely blue in the camera's eyes. Any one have any tips on how to take a picture of a polished coin without the hues the polishing imparts?
For the record, I’ve returned one coin since I began buying coins on eBay 25 years ago so I’m not a frequent abuser. GC even offers up to I think one return. I’ve had two people return coins to me as an eBay seller. When I’m selling a coin on eBay I make it very clear that buyers have a 14 day return privilege no questions asked. The OP bought the coin, didn’t like it (who cares why), the seller has a return privilege, and he’s returning it. What’s the big deal? Returns are part of every business model especially with a eBay store.
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Are you a dealer ? If so, take your lumps. imho
There’s nothing wrong with returning it.
But I would have never bought the coin to begin with.
Yes. GAMBLE. You said yourself that you bought it thinking you could crack it out.
You asked for opinions. You got them. You can argue all you want. If your mind is made up, why ask?
I assume you have a no questions asked return policy yourself.
Ignoring for the moment what buyers can force on eBay sellers and assuming that both parties are acting in good faith, I can see both sides here. If you're putting together a set and are trying to match the look of the coins, it would be disappointing to find the coin you bought didn't fit. A return in this situation doesn't seem unreasonable. "Cleaned" is a pretty big bucket, after all. On the other hand, buying a coin because you think you might be able to get it into a better holder and wanting to return it because you realize you can't seems a little like a "Heads I win, tails you lose" scenario.
I do...but that doesn't mean I can't question a return...and I accept them!
I am a dealer and I am a collector. When I buy coins for my collection I pay what it takes. Out of the 23 coins I have posted in my Seated Dollar thread...I might have bought 1 or 2 at a level a dealer would pay for them. The rest I have paid way,way more than a dealer would ever consider paying for them! Most have been purchased for more than PCGS price guide!
Lol. I think by definition you can't have a no questions asked return policy and then ask questions.
That's why I think it's unfair to just return it. Certainly, he can work out any deal he wants with the seller. But his reason for returning it is simply that it is what it said it was and not better.
Fair enough. That is true.
Personally, I wouldn't buy a details coin, regardless of the level of cleaning/polishing.
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
I can ask them to myself! My return rate is less than 1% and I do sell a fair bit!
No it is not! It looks nothing like the picture. I'm actually surprised PCGS didn't call it polished!
Valid points on both sides of the poll. Good thread !
I can think of a particular coin I tried like H to get in a 58+ holder for my Barber Half Set! It started life in my possession in a PCI 64 holder. I sent it in raw and PCGS graded it 62, then AU details cleaned, then Unc details cleaned and finally 61 and I sold it! So there! I still wish I got that 08-S in a 58+ holder as it was a clean(mark wise) nice coin with booming luster!
I think so myself!
You should return it not satisfied. Send a little explanation that you only bought the coin based on the darker toning and that in hand it was much different. Thank the seller for working with you and make it professional.
That is the way it goes in the coin business. Sometimes a few coins are returned.
Finally, the voice of reason!
You mean, finally a voice that agrees with what you had already decided.
NO. I personally would not want to own that coin. But the OP's pictures make the coin look FAR superior to the seller's pictures. OP should be very happy with the coin.
Seeing the coin was originally in a details holder, I'd like to change my vote to "No."
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
I don't know you or your motives, so this is a question not an accusation. Why start this poll in the first place unless you are feeling guilty about returning the coin, and you are now looking for validation in order to ease your conscience. With that said, if you legitimately bought this coin and feel you were mislead (hard to believe since the coin was in a details holder) then by all means return the coin, as long as, the seller offers a no questions return policy. However, if you bought the coin thinking you were going to get a rip, then I think you should take your lumps and keep the coin.
Philippians 4:4-7
I wouldn't return it for reasons very similar to those voiced by Mark Feld. Take your lumps and move on. BTW That obverse gouge would have been an instant turn-off for me. Tough date. This is a series that requires much patience (I need seven coins) to avoid acquiring sub-standard coins. This is an example of the majority of Seated Dollars out there. Cleaned with additional issues.
Good luck Darrell.
Jim
If i knowingly rolled the dice and bought a cleaned coin based on photos i wouldn't return it.
I'll make my closing statements on this.
Yes, I'm going to return it on my dime.
I want some of you to think about this....what's the most important part of your decision to buy a coin? I would wager it's the pictures. Of course the description has weight, but there needs to be a description other than the item pictured is the item you will receive. If I'm unable to capture something the picture I am able to take will not show, I do my best to describe the discrepancies.
I see a lot of hypocrisy here. Go back and look at some of your attacks on sellers that use stock photos! What's the difference? If the picture is inaccurate it doesn't matter. After all, you would be getting what is advertised...No?
For a few of you commenting I was trying to make a rip...I hardly think so with what I paid. I was looking to add a coin that would sit in my set until I found a better example. This one is just not even close and I really think PCGS should have dubbed it polished. That's why the photos look the way they do now that I have played with it.
While it may not matter to many of you. I see the pack mentality here. Many of you have lost a lot of my respect. Some really surprised me. While it may not matter now, it might in the future.
I originally said "No." Especially because this was clearly indicated to be a "Details" coin AND this is a dealer who specializes in this coin type.
HOWEVER, I thought about it some more. Until CAC came along I would only buy coins I had seen in hand. I had many offers from dealers I met to send me coins on approval which I politely declined. Selling coins sight unseen, no matter how good the pictures are, is an opportunity for the seller to sell a coin without needing to conduct a face to face transaction. If Heritage allows returns in a BIN, the honorable thing to do would be to graciously accept the return. Especially from a good client with with a past record of few or no returns. I do agree the buyer would have been smarter to ask Mark Feld his opinion before buying the coin. In this case, I would have; but, I would still expect to return the coin if I was not comfortable with it as long as Heritage allowed it. If the coin could not be returned, I would not buy it.
Great Survey Question!
Pointless thread. You asked an opinion when your mind was already made up, then tried to convince 2/3 of the voters they voted wrong.
Here's the message I sent the seller:
I'm sorry to return this and I know it's a hard coin to take pictures of. It just doesn't match a set I am trying to build. I took a couple of pictures that address the lack of toning, but don't show the polished look of the coin. You are welcome to use them if you think it will prevent the coin from becoming a boomerang when you relist it. I will pay for the return shipping.
Best Regards,
What were the poll results?
The OP is handling this in a forward and civil way. He isn't throwing down the seller- simply stating the coin doesn't work in the set he is building.
I now see no problem with this return as the seller is only out time and not funds, whereas the buyer would have been unhappy with a $900.+ purchase.
peacockcoins
Aside from the original shipping expense. How much did he spend to ship a $900+ coin?
You can view the results at the bottom of the opening post - 36 votes indicate they would not return the coin, vs. 20 votes that would return it.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
To be fair, you asked for opinions. This doesn't seem to be a good way to encourage participation in future discussions.
Good point. I hadn't considered that.
peacockcoins
The big hit at 9:00 bothers me more than the surfaces
That would NOT be a justifiable reason to return the coin, IMO, since that hit is clearly visible in both photos of the obverse.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
I have not read through every post, but based on the op, my observations would be:
-if they do not take returns and this is a seller that you bought from before or would be buying from in the future, I would likely try to reach an amicable business solution that keeps the relationship in good standing.
You are building a nice circulated seated dollar set based on some of your other posts. The hit at 9 o’clock should have disqualified this coin from your set regardless of the cleaning.
The TV and seller photos look cleaned to me though not polished. I wouldn’t return the coin if I bought it but your message to seller was at least polite about it.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
I’m shocked at the poll results.
If the coin truly looks like what your pictures show then 110% return it. It looks nothing like the TV or seller photos.
I wouldn’t care about the cleaning designation of the coin had that really nice dark color that is shown in the TV.
Can you post a photo that shows the "polished sheen" you are talking about?
Frankly, a rather despicable conclusion. No one said they would lose respect for the OP no matter what choice he made. No one insulted the OP. Yet when we give the opinion we were asked to provide, he loses respect? Then again, what is that respect worth?
Great thread. Thanks. Personally, I never return any coins unless grossly mis-represented. You knew it was cleaned when you purchased it. Why take a chance on a details coin if you know it is not what you want to begin with? Auction sales are sold for the most part and are not approval services. Most 19th century silver coins were cleaned. You see a lot more of them in NGC and ANACS holders (not ID'ed as so) then PCGS holders. Some sellers will ban you if you return a coin. In the end, it is up to you, my opinion means nothing. If you have a good relationship with this seller, you may tarnish it. JMWO (Just My Worthless Opinion)
do what you must, just please let me know your ID so I can block you
It's in his signature line
It sounds like you are not happy with the coin. Send it back and wait for the next one.
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
This is so true, the bad thing is that a lot of seller's are starting to just put the True View photos up on there listing because i guess it's easier than taking the time to take picture's.
I would not return it. However, I buy very few coins on ebay, and when I do, I realize there can be differences between what I receive and what I saw on the listing. That being said, if the issues were radical (a matter of opinion sometimes), I would return it. In this case, seeing the listing, the pictures - but not the coin in hand... Well, I would keep it. Cheers, RickO
I had a pleasant exchange with the seller. He understands and doesn't have a problem with the return. He also thanked me for the pictures and said he hoped to get a better camera this summer. And for @MasonG It's been so long since I have returned anything the ebay system has changed quite a bit. It seems they require you to use their return label as I could find nowhere to upload my own tracking number. That said I'm including $20 which should cover most, if not all the shipping both ways!
No.
It is always a chance that you take when you go by the pictures and not seeing the coin in hand.
To me, the label said it all.
I would also have been disappointed if I had bought this coin.
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
If it was labled cleaned and it showed up cleaned then don't return it, unless there is a return clause from the seller. I once made an offer on a cleaned key date coin on impulse and regreted it immediately, but still paid as agreed. (Not saying this is your situation, just an example from my personal experience).
If the seller allows returns then go for it. If not, then congratulations on a new coin to your collection.
I must say I certainly learned something about coin pictures from this. I guess I have never photographed or purchased a polished coin before, which I think is how it should have been labeled. If you catch the polished sheen of the coin it imparts the toning in the TV and the sellers pictures. This is the best I was able to come up with, can almost see it on the reverse. Any other angle and the coin turns steely blue in the camera's eyes. Any one have any tips on how to take a picture of a polished coin without the hues the polishing imparts?
For the record, I’ve returned one coin since I began buying coins on eBay 25 years ago so I’m not a frequent abuser. GC even offers up to I think one return. I’ve had two people return coins to me as an eBay seller. When I’m selling a coin on eBay I make it very clear that buyers have a 14 day return privilege no questions asked. The OP bought the coin, didn’t like it (who cares why), the seller has a return privilege, and he’s returning it. What’s the big deal? Returns are part of every business model especially with a eBay store.