If I buy something with a return policy and then decide I don't want or like it for whatever reason, I have no problem returning it. Happens all the time in business including the coin industry.
When buying and selling coins on eBay, returns are part of the business. I sold a PCGS 1921 Peace Dollar MS61 with a solid strike last year on eBay, and the buyer returned the coin as cleaned. I could not see any signs of a cleaning. I relisted the coin a couple of months later and it sold for $100 more because of the high demand for the 1921.
I also sold last year on eBay about 50 raw Walking Liberty Half Dollars that had been cleaned. I listed each coin in title and comments as cleaned and I did not get one returned.
I also feel that as the dollar value of an item goes up, the chance of me returning the item if it doesn't meet my satisfaction when I get it home goes up as well. There is nothing worse than having a coin that you are not happy with in your collection when you know you could have returned it.
For those of you saying it was in a details holder, think about how many times you have returned an item to a store like Walmart that was in perfectly good condition because you brought it home and changed your mind. If you can honestly say you have never done this in your life, my hats off to you.
I personally would not return the coin. I buy details coins from time to time for resale when I feel they have decent eye appeal. Especially better date coins but if they turn out to be dogs I just take my lumps.
I typically don’t buy details coins for my collection. Unless they are dates that are out of my price range straight graded.
Couple months ago I had someone return a PCGS details coin on eBay. I felt the coin was accurately photographed and problems show easily in photos. Buyer sent a note that after seeing in hand it wasn’t for them. Its part of doing business on eBay.
@slider23 said:
Your unhappy with the coin, so return it. Buying on eBay from photos, I always felt that I had a right to see the coin in hand to make my final decision.
While it wasn’t the case here, what if a seller has a stated “no returns” policy?
Does the fact that the buyer is a dealer play into the thought process at all. He is an experienced professional and because of that I do not believe he should return it. He has the means to resell it easily through his business at cost or a slight loss. I think the fact he is a dealer is an important consideration in this discussion.
@hchcoin said:
I also feel that as the dollar value of an item goes up, the chance of me returning the item if it doesn't meet my satisfaction when I get it home goes up as well. There is nothing worse than having a coin that you are not happy with in your collection when you know you could have returned it.
For those of you saying it was in a details holder, think about how many times you have returned an item to a store like Walmart that was in perfectly good condition because you brought it home and changed your mind. If you can honestly say you have never done this in your life, my hats off to you.
I have never done it. And I know a number of people who NEVER return things, even if they buy them on line and they don't fit or something.
@willy said:
Does the fact that the buyer is a dealer play into the thought process at all. He is an experienced professional and because of that I do not believe he should return it. He has the means to resell it easily through his business at cost or a slight loss. I think the fact he is a dealer is an important consideration in this discussion.
I suspect it would be more than a slight loss! If I was offered that coin at a show, I suspect my offer would be less than 1/2 what I paid because I would have to be forced to buy it. Yes, it looks that bad to me. On the other hand, I did not buy this coin as a dealer, I bought it as a collector based on 2 separate sets of pictures that were both grossly misrepresenting the coin!
@hchcoin said:
I also feel that as the dollar value of an item goes up, the chance of me returning the item if it doesn't meet my satisfaction when I get it home goes up as well. There is nothing worse than having a coin that you are not happy with in your collection when you know you could have returned it.
For those of you saying it was in a details holder, think about how many times you have returned an item to a store like Walmart that was in perfectly good condition because you brought it home and changed your mind. If you can honestly say you have never done this in your life, my hats off to you.
I have never done it. And I know a number of people who NEVER return things, even if they buy them on line and they don't fit or something.
I think it's been close to a decade since I returned a coin. If this coin looked anything like the picture it would not be returned. Ya wanna pay me $900 bucks for it? Problem free greysheet is $650.00.
@hchcoin said:
I also feel that as the dollar value of an item goes up, the chance of me returning the item if it doesn't meet my satisfaction when I get it home goes up as well. There is nothing worse than having a coin that you are not happy with in your collection when you know you could have returned it.
For those of you saying it was in a details holder, think about how many times you have returned an item to a store like Walmart that was in perfectly good condition because you brought it home and changed your mind. If you can honestly say you have never done this in your life, my hats off to you.
I have never done it. And I know a number of people who NEVER return things, even if they buy them on line and they don't fit or something.
I think it's been close to a decade since I returned a coin. If this coin looked anything like the picture it would not be returned. Ya wanna pay me $900 bucks for it? Problem free greysheet is $650.00.
I'm not sure what that has to do with my not returning my pants to Walmart. You want to buy my Walmart pants?
@hchcoin said:
I also feel that as the dollar value of an item goes up, the chance of me returning the item if it doesn't meet my satisfaction when I get it home goes up as well. There is nothing worse than having a coin that you are not happy with in your collection when you know you could have returned it.
For those of you saying it was in a details holder, think about how many times you have returned an item to a store like Walmart that was in perfectly good condition because you brought it home and changed your mind. If you can honestly say you have never done this in your life, my hats off to you.
I have never done it. And I know a number of people who NEVER return things, even if they buy them on line and they don't fit or something.
I think it's been close to a decade since I returned a coin. If this coin looked anything like the picture it would not be returned. Ya wanna pay me $900 bucks for it? Problem free greysheet is $650.00.
I'm not sure what that has to do with my not returning my pants to Walmart. You want to buy my Walmart pants?
@hchcoin said:
I also feel that as the dollar value of an item goes up, the chance of me returning the item if it doesn't meet my satisfaction when I get it home goes up as well. There is nothing worse than having a coin that you are not happy with in your collection when you know you could have returned it.
For those of you saying it was in a details holder, think about how many times you have returned an item to a store like Walmart that was in perfectly good condition because you brought it home and changed your mind. If you can honestly say you have never done this in your life, my hats off to you.
I have never done it. And I know a number of people who NEVER return things, even if they buy them on line and they don't fit or something.
I think it's been close to a decade since I returned a coin. If this coin looked anything like the picture it would not be returned. Ya wanna pay me $900 bucks for it? Problem free greysheet is $650.00.
I'm not sure what that has to do with my not returning my pants to Walmart. You want to buy my Walmart pants?
I don’t see how the dollar value of the item makes a difference. You either think it’s ok to return a coin in a details holder or you think it’s not ok. Personally, I wouldn’t do it regardless of the policies.
I guess I part company with @amwldcoin in two places. First he compares the eBay photo to a stock photo and says that we don't like it when sellers use stock photos. This is true, but the consensus is not to buy from stock photos and, if the label matches the stock photo then the buyer gets what he deserves. If the price on a coin is so favorable that the buyer has to immediately click "Buy It Now" to keep others from snatching the coin up before he can ask for more pictures, again, that's not the seller's problem.
Second, let me first say that I have made no effort to find the online listing, so I have no idea who the seller was or what the precise wording of his return policy was. However, there are an awful lot of people on eBay who treat it as the world's largest garage sale, or as a place to sell a few spare coins at maybe a more fair price than they'd get from a dealer or pawn shop. If the seller is one of those people then there is no "cost of doing business" because it's NOT his business. Just selling a few spare coins shouldn't subject someone to frivolous returns because it might make up 25% of the "sales" as opposed to 1% or less from a normal retailer. I mean you've killed the market for this coin for the near future. Anyone trying to decide about this coin and doing a little research will see the sale and return and wonder what is wrong with it.
@daltex said:
I guess I part company with @amwldcoin in two places. First he compares the eBay photo to a stock photo and says that we don't like it when sellers use stock photos. This is true, but the consensus is not to buy from stock photos and, if the label matches the stock photo then the buyer gets what he deserves. If the price on a coin is so favorable that the buyer has to immediately click "Buy It Now" to keep others from snatching the coin up before he can ask for more pictures, again, that's not the seller's problem.
Second, let me first say that I have made no effort to find the online listing, so I have no idea who the seller was or what the precise wording of his return policy was. However, there are an awful lot of people on eBay who treat it as the world's largest garage sale, or as a place to sell a few spare coins at maybe a more fair price than they'd get from a dealer or pawn shop. If the seller is one of those people then there is no "cost of doing business" because it's NOT his business. Just selling a few spare coins shouldn't subject someone to frivolous returns because it might make up 25% of the "sales" as opposed to 1% or less from a normal retailer. I mean you've killed the market for this coin for the near future. Anyone trying to decide about this coin and doing a little research will see the sale and return and wonder what is wrong with it.
Actually I think I saved others from grief if the seller uses the pictures I sent him that are a much better representation of the coin. And yes, the seller agrees with me!
Now I will tell you about a return I had awhile ago. It was a blazing lustrous coin that developed a spot on the edge of the rim just a little bigger than a pencil point. I graciously accepted the return because of the spot. On a scale of 1-10 with the photos misrepresenting the coin, this was a 1 where as the dollar I returned was a 10!
@ChrisH821 Everyone knows this forum is notorious for beating a dead horse!
not voting as I would have passed. The only reason I am commenting is that the thread illustrates in part how difficult and under-appreciated this date is in the EF40 to AU58 range which has not been handled poorly.
Original Seated Dollars that survived are not measured by quantity graded but by the few that have the look that just rarely surface.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Return it.
We all know returns are part of the coin biz... I think its the dealers here who want to push the idea that details coins are not returnable. If that's your policy, state it. If your Return policy is Return for any reason (as it sounds like this dealers is) then accept that some details holders will be sent back.
I've returned very few coins over the years and am fully aware that returning a coin may strain a relationship with some dealers, so do take that into consideration also...
What I haven't done is posted a coin on this forum that I was thinking about returning.
Feels kinda like dragging someone's inventory through the mud.
Nope, you got exactly what was advertised. Why on earth would you even consider returning it? You bought a cleaned coin in a details holder and the seller told you it was cleaned yet you somehow want it to be a not cleaned coin? Crazy world!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
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@blitzdude said:
Nope, you got exactly what was advertised. Why on earth would you even consider returning it? You bought a cleaned coin in a details holder and the seller told you it was cleaned yet you somehow want it to be a not cleaned coin? Crazy world!
@blitzdude said:
Nope, you got exactly what was advertised. Why on earth would you even consider returning it? You bought a cleaned coin in a details holder and the seller told you it was cleaned yet you somehow want it to be a not cleaned coin? Crazy world!
The word cleaned....1 word
A picture...thousands of words!
Well, you've definitely used thousands of words.
By your own words, your photos did not capture the cleaned sheen. So, will you be reimbursing the seller if someone returns the coin for not matching YOUR pictures?
@blitzdude said:
Nope, you got exactly what was advertised. Why on earth would you even consider returning it? You bought a cleaned coin in a details holder and the seller told you it was cleaned yet you somehow want it to be a not cleaned coin? Crazy world!
The word cleaned....1 word
A picture...thousands of words!
Well, you've definitely used thousands of words.
By your own words, your photos did not capture the cleaned sheen. So, well you be reimbursing the seller if someone returns the coin for not matching YOUR pictures?
I had a PCGS graded coin returned a while back that the shade of grey was maybe 1/2 a notch off because the coin didn't match the pictures! It wasn't as far off as @fathom 's Trade Dollar!
True View images have zero to do with accuracy. They are over saturated 100% of the time. They are designed to stoke ego and sell coins. Not represent them accurately for collector benefit.
As far as returning the coin if you simply only buy from sellers that provide a satisfaction guarantee (as every single seller should) then you never have to worry. Plain and simple.
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If I buy something with a return policy and then decide I don't want or like it for whatever reason, I have no problem returning it. Happens all the time in business including the coin industry.
When buying and selling coins on eBay, returns are part of the business. I sold a PCGS 1921 Peace Dollar MS61 with a solid strike last year on eBay, and the buyer returned the coin as cleaned. I could not see any signs of a cleaning. I relisted the coin a couple of months later and it sold for $100 more because of the high demand for the 1921.
I also sold last year on eBay about 50 raw Walking Liberty Half Dollars that had been cleaned. I listed each coin in title and comments as cleaned and I did not get one returned.
I also feel that as the dollar value of an item goes up, the chance of me returning the item if it doesn't meet my satisfaction when I get it home goes up as well. There is nothing worse than having a coin that you are not happy with in your collection when you know you could have returned it.
For those of you saying it was in a details holder, think about how many times you have returned an item to a store like Walmart that was in perfectly good condition because you brought it home and changed your mind. If you can honestly say you have never done this in your life, my hats off to you.
I personally would not return the coin. I buy details coins from time to time for resale when I feel they have decent eye appeal. Especially better date coins but if they turn out to be dogs I just take my lumps.
I typically don’t buy details coins for my collection. Unless they are dates that are out of my price range straight graded.
Couple months ago I had someone return a PCGS details coin on eBay. I felt the coin was accurately photographed and problems show easily in photos. Buyer sent a note that after seeing in hand it wasn’t for them. Its part of doing business on eBay.
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Perfect reason not to buy it.
Does the fact that the buyer is a dealer play into the thought process at all. He is an experienced professional and because of that I do not believe he should return it. He has the means to resell it easily through his business at cost or a slight loss. I think the fact he is a dealer is an important consideration in this discussion.
I have never done it. And I know a number of people who NEVER return things, even if they buy them on line and they don't fit or something.
I suspect it would be more than a slight loss! If I was offered that coin at a show, I suspect my offer would be less than 1/2 what I paid because I would have to be forced to buy it. Yes, it looks that bad to me. On the other hand, I did not buy this coin as a dealer, I bought it as a collector based on 2 separate sets of pictures that were both grossly misrepresenting the coin!
I think it's been close to a decade since I returned a coin. If this coin looked anything like the picture it would not be returned. Ya wanna pay me $900 bucks for it? Problem free greysheet is $650.00.
I'm not sure what that has to do with my not returning my pants to Walmart. You want to buy my Walmart pants?
I will if you will buy this Seated Dollar!
I eat my own mistakes, not yours.
I don’t see how the dollar value of the item makes a difference. You either think it’s ok to return a coin in a details holder or you think it’s not ok. Personally, I wouldn’t do it regardless of the policies.
This conversation has gone on for four pages of much the same.
This is beating a dead horse at this point with a pinch of Miranda rights sprinkled in.
Collector, occasional seller
I guess I part company with @amwldcoin in two places. First he compares the eBay photo to a stock photo and says that we don't like it when sellers use stock photos. This is true, but the consensus is not to buy from stock photos and, if the label matches the stock photo then the buyer gets what he deserves. If the price on a coin is so favorable that the buyer has to immediately click "Buy It Now" to keep others from snatching the coin up before he can ask for more pictures, again, that's not the seller's problem.
Second, let me first say that I have made no effort to find the online listing, so I have no idea who the seller was or what the precise wording of his return policy was. However, there are an awful lot of people on eBay who treat it as the world's largest garage sale, or as a place to sell a few spare coins at maybe a more fair price than they'd get from a dealer or pawn shop. If the seller is one of those people then there is no "cost of doing business" because it's NOT his business. Just selling a few spare coins shouldn't subject someone to frivolous returns because it might make up 25% of the "sales" as opposed to 1% or less from a normal retailer. I mean you've killed the market for this coin for the near future. Anyone trying to decide about this coin and doing a little research will see the sale and return and wonder what is wrong with it.
Actually I think I saved others from grief if the seller uses the pictures I sent him that are a much better representation of the coin. And yes, the seller agrees with me!
Now I will tell you about a return I had awhile ago. It was a blazing lustrous coin that developed a spot on the edge of the rim just a little bigger than a pencil point. I graciously accepted the return because of the spot. On a scale of 1-10 with the photos misrepresenting the coin, this was a 1 where as the dollar I returned was a 10!
@ChrisH821 Everyone knows this forum is notorious for beating a dead horse!
not voting as I would have passed. The only reason I am commenting is that the thread illustrates in part how difficult and under-appreciated this date is in the EF40 to AU58 range which has not been handled poorly.
Original Seated Dollars that survived are not measured by quantity graded but by the few that have the look that just rarely surface.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Return it.
We all know returns are part of the coin biz... I think its the dealers here who want to push the idea that details coins are not returnable. If that's your policy, state it. If your Return policy is Return for any reason (as it sounds like this dealers is) then accept that some details holders will be sent back.
I've returned very few coins over the years and am fully aware that returning a coin may strain a relationship with some dealers, so do take that into consideration also...
What I haven't done is posted a coin on this forum that I was thinking about returning.
Feels kinda like dragging someone's inventory through the mud.
This is kind of a good read.
At least from the side lines.
It reminded me of this one:
Hit me with your best shot
Why don't you hit me
With your best shot
Hit me with your best shot
Fire Away
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_KWVk0XeB9o - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Piece Of My Heart
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0FPxuQv2ns - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Maybe I'm Amazed
RLJ 1958 - 2023
In case anyone is interested. The sell relisted the coin using MY PICTURES if that means anyhing to you!
Nope
Nope, you got exactly what was advertised. Why on earth would you even consider returning it? You bought a cleaned coin in a details holder and the seller told you it was cleaned yet you somehow want it to be a not cleaned coin? Crazy world!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
The word cleaned....1 word
A picture...thousands of words!
Well, you've definitely used thousands of words.
By your own words, your photos did not capture the cleaned sheen. So, will you be reimbursing the seller if someone returns the coin for not matching YOUR pictures?
I had a PCGS graded coin returned a while back that the shade of grey was maybe 1/2 a notch off because the coin didn't match the pictures! It wasn't as far off as @fathom 's Trade Dollar!
True View images have zero to do with accuracy. They are over saturated 100% of the time. They are designed to stoke ego and sell coins. Not represent them accurately for collector benefit.
As far as returning the coin if you simply only buy from sellers that provide a satisfaction guarantee (as every single seller should) then you never have to worry. Plain and simple.