@galaxy27 said:
it's one thing to come up short after you've left your blood, sweat and tears all over the field, but when you literally hand a game to the opposition because you fail to exhibit a lick of situational awareness, there should not be a place for you on that particular roster.
i'd love to ask Stevenson and Meyers what they felt the endgame was going to be with that hot potato/lateral nonsense. especially Meyers. ok so you uncork it across the middle of the field to your quarterback. best case scenario, Jones catches it. then what? he's gonna throw it after they've already run it? he's gonna lateral it to the invisible teammate behind him? he's gonna morph into Steve Young and take one all the way to the house?
both of those bona fide idiots deserved to be cut today -- their teammates didn't deserve that fate
I'll be honest and say the entire coaching staff needs to be overhauled as well.
@galaxy27 said:
it's one thing to come up short after you've left your blood, sweat and tears all over the field, but when you literally hand a game to the opposition because you fail to exhibit a lick of situational awareness, there should not be a place for you on that particular roster.
i'd love to ask Stevenson and Meyers what they felt the endgame was going to be with that hot potato/lateral nonsense. especially Meyers. ok so you uncork it across the middle of the field to your quarterback. best case scenario, Jones catches it. then what? he's gonna throw it after they've already run it? he's gonna lateral it to the invisible teammate behind him? he's gonna morph into Steve Young and take one all the way to the house?
both of those bona fide idiots deserved to be cut today -- their teammates didn't deserve that fate
I'll be honest and say the entire coaching staff needs to be overhauled as well.
Hoodie needs to retire
When the Patriots were winning Hoodies press conferences were unique. Now he just looks like a Buffoon. He doesn’t look like the football genius. His draft choices have left them in mediocrity. He can’t judge talent and can’t let go of power and hire a bonified offensive coordinator. His keeping it close to the vest with Judge and fat boy was a failure. Face it. The power given to him has lead to the patriots downfall and the Brady -Belicheck discussion has been ended. If it wasn’t for Brady he’d have been coaching girls soccer 2 decades ago.
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
@galaxy27 said:
it's one thing to come up short after you've left your blood, sweat and tears all over the field, but when you literally hand a game to the opposition because you fail to exhibit a lick of situational awareness, there should not be a place for you on that particular roster.
i'd love to ask Stevenson and Meyers what they felt the endgame was going to be with that hot potato/lateral nonsense. especially Meyers. ok so you uncork it across the middle of the field to your quarterback. best case scenario, Jones catches it. then what? he's gonna throw it after they've already run it? he's gonna lateral it to the invisible teammate behind him? he's gonna morph into Steve Young and take one all the way to the house?
both of those bona fide idiots deserved to be cut today -- their teammates didn't deserve that fate
I was thinking that if Mac had managed to catch the ball, it would have been a perfect opportunity for a defender to light him up on an open-field tackle.
@galaxy27 said:
it's one thing to come up short after you've left your blood, sweat and tears all over the field, but when you literally hand a game to the opposition because you fail to exhibit a lick of situational awareness, there should not be a place for you on that particular roster.
i'd love to ask Stevenson and Meyers what they felt the endgame was going to be with that hot potato/lateral nonsense. especially Meyers. ok so you uncork it across the middle of the field to your quarterback. best case scenario, Jones catches it. then what? he's gonna throw it after they've already run it? he's gonna lateral it to the invisible teammate behind him? he's gonna morph into Steve Young and take one all the way to the house?
both of those bona fide idiots deserved to be cut today -- their teammates didn't deserve that fate
I'll be honest and say the entire coaching staff needs to be overhauled as well.
Hoodie needs to retire
When the Patriots were winning Hoodies press conferences were unique. Now he just looks like a Buffoon. He doesn’t look like the football genius. His draft choices have left them in mediocrity. He can’t judge talent and can’t let go of power and hire a bonified offensive coordinator. His keeping it close to the vest with Judge and fat boy was a failure. Face it. The power given to him has lead to the patriots downfall and the Brady -Belicheck discussion has been ended. If it wasn’t for Brady he’d have been coaching girls soccer 2 decades ago.
I been saying it for years and nearly every time I got snarky comments thrown at me over it.
Bill got a God complex and thought he could win games by outcoaching opponents and coaching up his players and it's simply not the case
All he has going for him is Mathew Slater who still throws out his Patriot Way nonsense that nobody buys into any more, just so he can hang around for another year running down the field on special teams.
would like to edit my original thought on this subject and say that, after watching the replay again, Stevenson doesn't deserve to be jettisoned from the team. at least his lateral took a short trip and he had Meyers right behind him. no harm, no foul. but the moment the ball left Stevenson's hand it was time to cue up the Benny Hill theme
@galaxy27 said:
would like to edit my original thought on this subject and say that, after watching the replay again, Stevenson doesn't deserve to be jettisoned from the team. at least his lateral took a short trip and he had Meyers right behind him. no harm, no foul. but the moment the ball left Stevenson's hand it was time to cue up the Benny Hill theme
The play was a draw and a kneel down. No where in the play was a lateral.
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
and honestly if we really want to be fair and balanced, hoodie created this debacle. if you're not making a concerted effort to score and you're just trying to get to OT, then why in the living hell are you turning around and handing the ball off to Stevenson in the first place? take the freaking snap, immediately kneel down and be done with it for crying out loud. the moment Stevenson broke one off it opened the door for people to lose their minds, which he did, and then Meyers did it to an even greater extent and it cost New England the game
I spoke at different points over the last few years, the post-Brady years, about the experience of watching my favorite NFL team in this entirely different frame of light. As Patriots fans we were blessed with not only those six SB wins, but also year after year of being "in it". Eventually every season became Super Bowl or bust. Now it is anything but that. I thought that I would find joy in the week to week musings of being an NFL fan, rooting for a team the normal way, the way I did in the pre-Brady years. For a while I did, but that joy has faded. There is nothing about this Patriots team that gives me that sliver of hope...you know the one I'm talking about. Without that sliver, the future feels so dim for my team. I was convinced that Belichick, with his passionate desire to be the 'winningest' coach, would assemble a competent crew of coaches and players. I was wrong.
Eli Apple accuses Mac Jones of 'dirty play' during Bengals' win over Patriots
Sorry Patriots fans but this is just plain dirty. Not only is he a whiny b…., but add dirty to his resume. He won’t be back in New England next year. TB10!! 😂
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
@2dueces said:
Eli Apple accuses Mac Jones of 'dirty play' during Bengals' win over Patriots
Sorry Patriots fans but this is just plain dirty. Not only is he a whiny b…., but add dirty to his resume. He won’t be back in New England next year. TB10!! 😂
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I can't defend him on this play. As for not back, I don't know about that.
@2dueces said:
Eli Apple accuses Mac Jones of 'dirty play' during Bengals' win over Patriots
Sorry Patriots fans but this is just plain dirty. Not only is he a whiny b…., but add dirty to his resume. He won’t be back in New England next year. TB10!! 😂
Meh, that hit was much less dirty than this one by Shaq Lawson earlier this season. Kenny Picketts was extremely lucky to not have his leg snapped in half by the way Lawson took him down. Mac deserves to be fined if the league goes that route.
We win both games and we're in the playoffs but I don't see Buffalo resting anyone when they're trying to get the 1st seed. They own the tie-breaker over KC with both at 12-3 but who knows if they finish tied.
I think if the Bills beat the Bengals this weekend with a Chiefs loss to the Broncos that could get them the #1 seed and have the chance to rest players.
Buffalo has @Cincy then NE at home
Chiefs are home against Denver then @LV
@2dueces said:
Eli Apple accuses Mac Jones of 'dirty play' during Bengals' win over Patriots
Sorry Patriots fans but this is just plain dirty. Not only is he a whiny b…., but add dirty to his resume. He won’t be back in New England next year. TB10!! 😂
Meh, that hit was much less dirty than this one by Shaq Lawson earlier this season. Kenny Picketts was extremely lucky to not have his leg snapped in half by the way Lawson took him down. Mac deserves to be fined if the league goes that route.
Was Picketts trailing a play for a meaningless chop block.? Not defending Lawson but the play was in from of him. Why was Mac chopping at anyone’s knees. The ball was in the defenders hands in the end zone. He’s a whiny punk a hot head and the Patriots will replace him next year. Right now they have no choice. BB is chasing Shula. Championships are done.
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
@2dueces said:
Eli Apple accuses Mac Jones of 'dirty play' during Bengals' win over Patriots
Sorry Patriots fans but this is just plain dirty. Not only is he a whiny b…., but add dirty to his resume. He won’t be back in New England next yea. TB10!! 😂
Meh, that hit was much less dirty than this one by Shaq Lawson earlier this season. Kenny Picketts was extremely lucky to not have his leg snapped in half by the way Lawson took him down. Mac deserves to be fined if the league goes that route.
Was Picketts trailing a play for a meaningless chop block.? Not defending Lawson but the play was in from of him. Why was Mac chopping at anyone’s knees. The ball was in the defenders hands in the end zone. He’s a whiny punk a hot head and the Patriots will replace him next year. Right now they have no choice. BB is chasing Shula. Championships are done.
All I'm saying is that they were both cheap hits, Pickett was running to his right with Lawson chasing him down from his left, that was definitely not a head on hit. Mac's wasn't anymore egregious than Lawson's and,yes,Eli Apple saw it coming in at a similar angle like Lawson's. Jones was fined 11K for the hit so its done with.
As for the rest of your comment,sure,that's gonna happen. The only way that Mac isn't the starting QB in NE week one in 2023 is if Tom Brady returns to the Patriots. Belichick is 19 wins from tying Shula so we're looking at it happening in 2024 or 2025 and he's already shown he can get at least 8 wins a year with subPar QB play in Newton in 2020 & Mac in 2022
@2dueces said:
Eli Apple accuses Mac Jones of 'dirty play' during Bengals' win over Patriots
Sorry Patriots fans but this is just plain dirty. Not only is he a whiny b…., but add dirty to his resume. He won’t be back in New England next yea. TB10!! 😂
Meh, that hit was much less dirty than this one by Shaq Lawson earlier this season. Kenny Picketts was extremely lucky to not have his leg snapped in half by the way Lawson took him down. Mac deserves to be fined if the league goes that route.
Was Picketts trailing a play for a meaningless chop block.? Not defending Lawson but the play was in from of him. Why was Mac chopping at anyone’s knees. The ball was in the defenders hands in the end zone. He’s a whiny punk a hot head and the Patriots will replace him next year. Right now they have no choice. BB is chasing Shula. Championships are done.
All I'm saying is that they were both cheap hits, Pickett was running to his right with Lawson chasing him down from his left, that was definitely not a head on hit. Mac's wasn't anymore egregious than Lawson's and,yes,Eli Apple saw it coming in at a similar angle like Lawson's. Jones was fined 11K for the hit so its done with.
As for the rest of your comment,sure,that's gonna happen. The only way that Mac isn't the starting QB in NE week one in 2023 is if Tom Brady returns to the Patriots. Belichick is 19 wins from tying Shula so we're looking at it happening in 2024 or 2025 and he's already shown he can get at least 8 wins a year with subPar QB play in Newton in 2020 & Mac in 2022
I don’t know. He hasn’t progressed like they thought in 2022. I’m sure most of the problems are OC but he hasn’t acted like an NFL QB. They are supposed to be calming effects in the midst of chaos.
The problem is 100% on BB. Without Brady he’s just another guy but he still thinks he can coach subpar talent to Super Bowls. He’s responsible for drafting the talent. His surrounded himself with yes men and now nepotism as there are two family members on his staff. Because Meyers got in someone’s dog house he left his best player on the bench for half a season.
So will Mac return? You now know he is limited. His best streak was when the Patriots played a 4th place schedule in 2021. His limited but He will if they can’t find someone better.
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
@2dueces said:
Eli Apple accuses Mac Jones of 'dirty play' during Bengals' win over Patriots
Sorry Patriots fans but this is just plain dirty. Not only is he a whiny b…., but add dirty to his resume. He won’t be back in New England next yea. TB10!! 😂
Meh, that hit was much less dirty than this one by Shaq Lawson earlier this season. Kenny Picketts was extremely lucky to not have his leg snapped in half by the way Lawson took him down. Mac deserves to be fined if the league goes that route.
Was Picketts trailing a play for a meaningless chop block.? Not defending Lawson but the play was in from of him. Why was Mac chopping at anyone’s knees. The ball was in the defenders hands in the end zone. He’s a whiny punk a hot head and the Patriots will replace him next year. Right now they have no choice. BB is chasing Shula. Championships are done.
All I'm saying is that they were both cheap hits, Pickett was running to his right with Lawson chasing him down from his left, that was definitely not a head on hit. Mac's wasn't anymore egregious than Lawson's and,yes,Eli Apple saw it coming in at a similar angle like Lawson's. Jones was fined 11K for the hit so its done with.
As for the rest of your comment,sure,that's gonna happen. The only way that Mac isn't the starting QB in NE week one in 2023 is if Tom Brady returns to the Patriots. Belichick is 19 wins from tying Shula so we're looking at it happening in 2024 or 2025 and he's already shown he can get at least 8 wins a year with subPar QB play in Newton in 2020 & Mac in 2022
I don’t know. He hasn’t progressed like they thought in 2022. I’m sure most of the problems are OC but he hasn’t acted like an NFL QB. They are supposed to be calming effects in the midst of chaos.
The problem is 100% on BB. Without Brady he’s just another guy but he still thinks he can coach subpar talent to Super Bowls. He’s responsible for drafting the talent. His surrounded himself with yes men and now nepotism as there are two family members on his staff. Because Meyers got in someone’s dog house he left his best player on the bench for half a season.
So will Mac return? You now know he is limited. His best streak was when the Patriots played a 4th place schedule in 2021. His limited but He will if they can’t find someone better.
I think the lack of a real OC then getting injured only to see Zappe almost beat GB at home then win his next two starts had as much to do with his negative play than we would have seen had McDaniels still been around. That's not even taking into account the lack of talent at the WR/TE spots. Hunter Henry(outside of being a redzone threat in 2021)& Jonnu Smith haven't made anyone think of Gronk & Hernandez out there and our WR core is full of guys that would be great as the 3rd options elsewhere.
He's made his fair share of bad throws but that's to be expected from a guy in year two. I don't know how often you watch Pats games but their play calling has been absolutely atrocious,defenses know that take away the deep stuff and we're stuck throwing screens all game except we don't have Brady throwing to Edelman & White these days. The OLine also has two starters on IR and their replacements have missed their share of games as well. His negative play is a much bigger picture thing than it is that he straight up sucks.
We all know BB sold out for those last few Brady years and there would be a reckoning eventually and here we are. In that 2021 offseason they had a ton of cap space and Bill brought in some decent talent especially on defense,then this past offseason they were pretty strapped, In this next one they're due to have some serious space (estimated 70M as of right now) https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2023/ so the team around whoever is at QB should be better. Unless some other better option becomes available on the cheap I just don't see BB moving on from Mac even with everything that has happened this season. IF a QB change does happen I think it would more likely be Zappe beating Mac out in training camp than Bill going out and spending 20-35M on some other QB that hits the market.
I'm not tied to Mac being the longterm answer but I just don't see BB giving up on the kid after year two of what can considered a very abnormal season in NE.
Bill isn’t spending 20-25M on a QB that’s for sure. Too many other spots of concern. All the money he spent on free agency really hasn’t manifested in wins. And I for sure don’t see jimmy G coming back to New England. He’s going to be a hot commodity in the off season
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
All that money he spent in 2021 did lead to a decent amount of wins (10) and that was with a rookie QB who hit the wall that last month. They finished 10-7 to Buffalo's 11-6 last season, this year everything just turned into a huge clusterfruck right outta camp with Bill playing "who wants to be offensive coordinator" with his coaching staff.
Jimmy G will be an interesting name but didn't he have a broken foot? Will he even be ready to go by September? I don't remember how long the comeback time is on that injury but he'll always be BB's one that got away so who knows how that plays out. If he can start by week one he'll probably get offered more money elsewhere than Bill would be willing to spend.
Probably with Jimmy is not ability it’s availability. I don’t think he’s ever played a full season. Heck he was a back up to start this year just for that reason
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
The one season he started all 16 games he led the 49ers to a 13-3 record eventually losing the SB to KC. He's been solid as a starter going 40-17, homie just can't stay on the field very long.
I liked Mac a lot last year. I never liked McDaniels much, but I also never dreamed that he'd be replaced with "bend don't break" Patricia. Second year continuity for a starter is paramount. He knew in training camp that Belichick was doing him and the team wrong. So he was frustrated. Then his ego was stepped on by the play of his backup, the home fans chanting for Zappe, and getting pulled for Zappe. So he is a broken QB on steam with terrible O line play and an offense that is atrocious. The play calling is so bad it's like they want to lose.
Thank god for the Pats defense this season:
Top 3 in Sacks
Top 3 in Takeaways
Top 5 in Points Allowed
7 defensive TDs (new team record)
4 straight games w/Def. TD (new team record)
It makes you wonder what this team could have looked like if we had just a slightly better overall offense this season.
That helmet to helmet assist tackle by Jonathan Jones at the end didn't look to good. He walked off on his own but I'm guessing he got concussed. We were already down three CBs in this game and need all hands on deck to pull off a miracle win in Buffalo next week.
@2dueces said:
I see the Patriots confusing Bridgewater and winning this week.
Dolphins 8-3 and in 1st place, #2 seed.
Dolphins 8-9 and out of the playoffs.
Patriots easy money.
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Either Monday or Sunday, before the Bills Bengals game, I was talking to a fellow Pats fan. We were discussing the possibility that the Bills win, then sit their starters tomorrow. In this scenario, the Patriots would have an easier path to victory, and a Pats win would get them into the playoffs. During that conversation, I expressed my objection to this scenario. I didn't want to sneak in like that. I also have a small fear that a Pats playoff berth will give Belichick some pause when it comes time to clean house this off-season.
As things stand right now, the Pats make the playoffs by beating the Bills tomorrow, or by Jacksonville winning today and both Pittsburgh and Miami losing tomorrow.
@erikthredd said:
TD on opening kickoff,LoL! Warm up the buses,see ya next season Patriots.
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They must have heard me lol, good game so far.
Yes it is.
A few thoughts...
We are not getting any calls today. For example, that was PI on that last throw. It was close,imo
Speaking of that last throw...why? i can understand taking a shot downfield but that was triple coverage on Meyers.
Speaking of that last drive before the half...why burn the timeout like that? It's entirely self-defeating. No clue, had Meyers caught that next pass they would have come close to running the clock out just to get to the line of scrimmage.
@erikthredd said:
TD on opening kickoff,LoL! Warm up the buses,see ya next season Patriots.
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They must have heard me lol, good game so far.
Yes it is.
A few thoughts...
We are not getting any calls today. For example, that was PI on that last throw. It was close,imo
Speaking of that last throw...why? i can understand taking a shot downfield but that was triple coverage on Meyers.
Speaking of that last drive before the half...why burn the timeout like that? It's entirely self-defeating. No clue, had Meyers caught that next pass they would have come close to running the clock out just to get to the line of scrimmage.
Thanks for playing @erikthredd ! Better luck next season!
@thisistheshow said:
Looks like you guys missed your exit interviews. No big deal. Please enjoy your off-seasons.
I just saw this posted online. It's a letter from Robert Kraft to season ticket holders.
Kraft's number one goal is money, that's a glaring problem with the Pats, they don't want to shell it out to make the team better, he allows Hoodie to cut corners and play the "Coach 'em up" nonsense
@thisistheshow I think that the first move NE should make is BB,through Kraft's insistence, goes looking for an experienced offensive coordinator. Bill O'Brien is one name that I've seen mentioned, he was signed by Alabama in 2021 to make 1.1M/yr on a two year deal that just expired so technically he should be unsigned at the moment. I looked for other OC names that might be available but most of them are currently coordinators elsewhere and might not want to leave a team for the same position in a different city.
With OC out of the way, I think that the team needs to decide if Mac is going to be the starter in 2023. If they do, then start planning their offseason additions around his game. If not,then decide if they want to go looking for another QB outside of the roster or just let Zappe battle Mac in training camp. With roughly 49M in expected cap space this offseason https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2023/ I don't see Bill spending big money on a free agent QB or trading for one with a fairly large salary. Ultimately I think that Bill sticks with who he has on the roster and we see Jones & Zappe battle it out in the preseason.
Next up is free agency and while I think rebuilding the offensive line should be first and foremost,BB should probably do this with their draft picks.
Here's a list of our soon to be free agents:
I'm hoping to see McCourty,Jones,Slater,Meyers,Peppers,Ferentz,Cannon & Wilson back. Jonathan Jones & Jakobi Meyers are the two likely to see more money out on the market.
I'd add Damien Harris too but BB just drafted Pierre Strong & Kevin Harris in last year's draft which could mean that Damien Harris is gone. I'm ok with bringing back Agholor but not anywhere close to the 11M he made in 2022.
I'd say that our biggest needs are (outside of quarterback):
Offensive Tackle Left & Right (I can see one of Trent Brown or Isaiah Wynn brought back but not both)
Wide Receiver (a #1option)
Wide Receiver (a #2 option) (if Meyers isn't re-signed)
Cornerback (if Jonathan Jones leaves
Center (David Andrews insurance)
Free Safety (potentially McCourty's replacement)
Punter (Jake Bailey just re-signed in 2022 but was just suspended and likely not coming back)
Kicker (wouldn't hurt to start looking for a longterm replacement for Nick Folk)
Here are the draft picks we currently own and are expected to get (comp picks.)
Round 1, Pick 14 overall
Round 2, Pick 46 overall
Round 3, Pick 76 overall (From CAR)
Round 3 Compensatory pick for losing JC Jackson
Round 4, Pick 104 overall (from LAR)
Round 4, Pick 114 overall
Round 6, Pick 170 overall (From LV)
Round 6, Pick 173 overall (From CAR)
Round 6, Pick 178 overall
Round 6 Compensatory pick for losing Ted Karras
I think our entire offseason will come down to:
1. Who lines up at QB next season?
2. Who is calling the plays on offense?
3. Did we strengthen our offensive line?
4. Can we find a #1 Wideout?
If we can answer those four questions above I think we'll be back competing for the postseason sooner than later.
As for the defense,I'm not worried about it at all. Belichick always has that side of the ball doing their part.
@thisistheshow said:
That was an impressive exit interview @erikthredd. I appreciate the work you put in this year and I look forward to seeing you sometime during OTAs
Thanks Coach! I'll be ready to go for Preseason game #1 just make sure that I get my roster bonus for not showing up to mandatory OTA's.
@thisistheshow said:
That was an impressive exit interview @erikthredd. I appreciate the work you put in this year and I look forward to seeing you sometime during OTAs
Thanks Coach! I'll be ready to go for Preseason game #1 just make sure that I get my roster bonus for not showing up to mandatory OTA's.
Where they just wasted a season experimenting with the position I'm hoping they just go with O'Brien, the one guy from that list with experience as an OC. They should probably replace whoever was the Offensive Line coach from last season as well,maybe Adrian Klemm can fill that role instead.
Here's hoping they draft a Left Tackle and a Center, possibly a Right Tackle too.
Trent Brown did start and play in all 17 games but he's got a cap hit of 12M for this upcoming season. I don't see him making that unless they renegotiate and add a year or two while freeing up some cap space. I doubt they re-sign Isaiah Wynn.
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I'll be honest and say the entire coaching staff needs to be overhauled as well.
Hoodie needs to retire
When the Patriots were winning Hoodies press conferences were unique. Now he just looks like a Buffoon. He doesn’t look like the football genius. His draft choices have left them in mediocrity. He can’t judge talent and can’t let go of power and hire a bonified offensive coordinator. His keeping it close to the vest with Judge and fat boy was a failure. Face it. The power given to him has lead to the patriots downfall and the Brady -Belicheck discussion has been ended. If it wasn’t for Brady he’d have been coaching girls soccer 2 decades ago.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
I was thinking that if Mac had managed to catch the ball, it would have been a perfect opportunity for a defender to light him up on an open-field tackle.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I been saying it for years and nearly every time I got snarky comments thrown at me over it.
Bill got a God complex and thought he could win games by outcoaching opponents and coaching up his players and it's simply not the case
All he has going for him is Mathew Slater who still throws out his Patriot Way nonsense that nobody buys into any more, just so he can hang around for another year running down the field on special teams.
would like to edit my original thought on this subject and say that, after watching the replay again, Stevenson doesn't deserve to be jettisoned from the team. at least his lateral took a short trip and he had Meyers right behind him. no harm, no foul. but the moment the ball left Stevenson's hand it was time to cue up the Benny Hill theme
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
The play was a draw and a kneel down. No where in the play was a lateral.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
and honestly if we really want to be fair and balanced, hoodie created this debacle. if you're not making a concerted effort to score and you're just trying to get to OT, then why in the living hell are you turning around and handing the ball off to Stevenson in the first place? take the freaking snap, immediately kneel down and be done with it for crying out loud. the moment Stevenson broke one off it opened the door for people to lose their minds, which he did, and then Meyers did it to an even greater extent and it cost New England the game
stupidity abound
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
I spoke at different points over the last few years, the post-Brady years, about the experience of watching my favorite NFL team in this entirely different frame of light. As Patriots fans we were blessed with not only those six SB wins, but also year after year of being "in it". Eventually every season became Super Bowl or bust. Now it is anything but that. I thought that I would find joy in the week to week musings of being an NFL fan, rooting for a team the normal way, the way I did in the pre-Brady years. For a while I did, but that joy has faded. There is nothing about this Patriots team that gives me that sliver of hope...you know the one I'm talking about. Without that sliver, the future feels so dim for my team. I was convinced that Belichick, with his passionate desire to be the 'winningest' coach, would assemble a competent crew of coaches and players. I was wrong.
2 weeks in a row 2 end of game fails. Not good. Hope they don't come in 3's, in a row.
Eli Apple accuses Mac Jones of 'dirty play' during Bengals' win over Patriots
Sorry Patriots fans but this is just plain dirty. Not only is he a whiny b…., but add dirty to his resume. He won’t be back in New England next year. TB10!! 😂
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
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I can't defend him on this play. As for not back, I don't know about that.
edited for a misspelling
Tua is in concussion protocol?
They will beat Miami without Tua, Bills will rest starters week 18 and the Pats will win
Next 2 games they win
Meh, that hit was much less dirty than this one by Shaq Lawson earlier this season. Kenny Picketts was extremely lucky to not have his leg snapped in half by the way Lawson took him down. Mac deserves to be fined if the league goes that route.
Eric
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We win both games and we're in the playoffs but I don't see Buffalo resting anyone when they're trying to get the 1st seed. They own the tie-breaker over KC with both at 12-3 but who knows if they finish tied.
I think if the Bills beat the Bengals this weekend with a Chiefs loss to the Broncos that could get them the #1 seed and have the chance to rest players.
Buffalo has @Cincy then NE at home
Chiefs are home against Denver then @LV
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Was Picketts trailing a play for a meaningless chop block.? Not defending Lawson but the play was in from of him. Why was Mac chopping at anyone’s knees. The ball was in the defenders hands in the end zone. He’s a whiny punk a hot head and the Patriots will replace him next year. Right now they have no choice. BB is chasing Shula. Championships are done.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
All I'm saying is that they were both cheap hits, Pickett was running to his right with Lawson chasing him down from his left, that was definitely not a head on hit. Mac's wasn't anymore egregious than Lawson's and,yes,Eli Apple saw it coming in at a similar angle like Lawson's. Jones was fined 11K for the hit so its done with.
As for the rest of your comment,sure,that's gonna happen. The only way that Mac isn't the starting QB in NE week one in 2023 is if Tom Brady returns to the Patriots. Belichick is 19 wins from tying Shula so we're looking at it happening in 2024 or 2025 and he's already shown he can get at least 8 wins a year with subPar QB play in Newton in 2020 & Mac in 2022
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I don’t know. He hasn’t progressed like they thought in 2022. I’m sure most of the problems are OC but he hasn’t acted like an NFL QB. They are supposed to be calming effects in the midst of chaos.
The problem is 100% on BB. Without Brady he’s just another guy but he still thinks he can coach subpar talent to Super Bowls. He’s responsible for drafting the talent. His surrounded himself with yes men and now nepotism as there are two family members on his staff. Because Meyers got in someone’s dog house he left his best player on the bench for half a season.
So will Mac return? You now know he is limited. His best streak was when the Patriots played a 4th place schedule in 2021. His limited but He will if they can’t find someone better.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
I think the lack of a real OC then getting injured only to see Zappe almost beat GB at home then win his next two starts had as much to do with his negative play than we would have seen had McDaniels still been around. That's not even taking into account the lack of talent at the WR/TE spots. Hunter Henry(outside of being a redzone threat in 2021)& Jonnu Smith haven't made anyone think of Gronk & Hernandez out there and our WR core is full of guys that would be great as the 3rd options elsewhere.
He's made his fair share of bad throws but that's to be expected from a guy in year two. I don't know how often you watch Pats games but their play calling has been absolutely atrocious,defenses know that take away the deep stuff and we're stuck throwing screens all game except we don't have Brady throwing to Edelman & White these days. The OLine also has two starters on IR and their replacements have missed their share of games as well. His negative play is a much bigger picture thing than it is that he straight up sucks.
We all know BB sold out for those last few Brady years and there would be a reckoning eventually and here we are. In that 2021 offseason they had a ton of cap space and Bill brought in some decent talent especially on defense,then this past offseason they were pretty strapped, In this next one they're due to have some serious space (estimated 70M as of right now) https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2023/ so the team around whoever is at QB should be better. Unless some other better option becomes available on the cheap I just don't see BB moving on from Mac even with everything that has happened this season. IF a QB change does happen I think it would more likely be Zappe beating Mac out in training camp than Bill going out and spending 20-35M on some other QB that hits the market.
I'm not tied to Mac being the longterm answer but I just don't see BB giving up on the kid after year two of what can considered a very abnormal season in NE.
Eric
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Bill isn’t spending 20-25M on a QB that’s for sure. Too many other spots of concern. All the money he spent on free agency really hasn’t manifested in wins. And I for sure don’t see jimmy G coming back to New England. He’s going to be a hot commodity in the off season
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
All that money he spent in 2021 did lead to a decent amount of wins (10) and that was with a rookie QB who hit the wall that last month. They finished 10-7 to Buffalo's 11-6 last season, this year everything just turned into a huge clusterfruck right outta camp with Bill playing "who wants to be offensive coordinator" with his coaching staff.
Jimmy G will be an interesting name but didn't he have a broken foot? Will he even be ready to go by September? I don't remember how long the comeback time is on that injury but he'll always be BB's one that got away so who knows how that plays out. If he can start by week one he'll probably get offered more money elsewhere than Bill would be willing to spend.
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Probably with Jimmy is not ability it’s availability. I don’t think he’s ever played a full season. Heck he was a back up to start this year just for that reason
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
The one season he started all 16 games he led the 49ers to a 13-3 record eventually losing the SB to KC. He's been solid as a starter going 40-17, homie just can't stay on the field very long.
Eric
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I liked Mac a lot last year. I never liked McDaniels much, but I also never dreamed that he'd be replaced with "bend don't break" Patricia. Second year continuity for a starter is paramount. He knew in training camp that Belichick was doing him and the team wrong. So he was frustrated. Then his ego was stepped on by the play of his backup, the home fans chanting for Zappe, and getting pulled for Zappe. So he is a broken QB on steam with terrible O line play and an offense that is atrocious. The play calling is so bad it's like they want to lose.
I see the Patriots confusing Bridgewater and winning this week.
Dolphins 8-3 and in 1st place, #2 seed.
Dolphins 8-9 and out of the playoffs.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Thank god for the Pats defense this season:
Top 3 in Sacks
Top 3 in Takeaways
Top 5 in Points Allowed
7 defensive TDs (new team record)
4 straight games w/Def. TD (new team record)
It makes you wonder what this team could have looked like if we had just a slightly better overall offense this season.
That helmet to helmet assist tackle by Jonathan Jones at the end didn't look to good. He walked off on his own but I'm guessing he got concussed. We were already down three CBs in this game and need all hands on deck to pull off a miracle win in Buffalo next week.
Eric
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Patriots easy money.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Either Monday or Sunday, before the Bills Bengals game, I was talking to a fellow Pats fan. We were discussing the possibility that the Bills win, then sit their starters tomorrow. In this scenario, the Patriots would have an easier path to victory, and a Pats win would get them into the playoffs. During that conversation, I expressed my objection to this scenario. I didn't want to sneak in like that. I also have a small fear that a Pats playoff berth will give Belichick some pause when it comes time to clean house this off-season.
As things stand right now, the Pats make the playoffs by beating the Bills tomorrow, or by Jacksonville winning today and both Pittsburgh and Miami losing tomorrow.
How do any of you feel about any of this?
I honestly think Tennessee beats the Jags, Miami loses but Pittsburgh wins
Pats are not beating Buffalo regardless
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I think we could have beat a Buffalo team that was resting it's starters. But an emotional Bills team with starters playing...no.way.
Ofcourse if they were resting their starters I'd say it would have been a win
TD on opening kickoff,LoL! Warm up the buses,see ya next season Patriots.
Eric
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😂
They must have heard me lol, good game so far.
Eric
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Yes it is.
A few thoughts...
We are not getting any calls today. For example, that was PI on that last throw.
Speaking of that last throw...why?
Speaking of that last drive before the half...why burn the timeout like that? It's entirely self-defeating.
Eric
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Thanks for playing @erikthredd ! Better luck next season!
I expect to see any and all of my fellow Pats fans in this thread tomorrow for your exit interviews.
Looks like you guys missed your exit interviews. No big deal. Please enjoy your off-seasons.
I just saw this posted online. It's a letter from Robert Kraft to season ticket holders.
Kraft's number one goal is money, that's a glaring problem with the Pats, they don't want to shell it out to make the team better, he allows Hoodie to cut corners and play the "Coach 'em up" nonsense
@thisistheshow I think that the first move NE should make is BB,through Kraft's insistence, goes looking for an experienced offensive coordinator. Bill O'Brien is one name that I've seen mentioned, he was signed by Alabama in 2021 to make 1.1M/yr on a two year deal that just expired so technically he should be unsigned at the moment. I looked for other OC names that might be available but most of them are currently coordinators elsewhere and might not want to leave a team for the same position in a different city.
With OC out of the way, I think that the team needs to decide if Mac is going to be the starter in 2023. If they do, then start planning their offseason additions around his game. If not,then decide if they want to go looking for another QB outside of the roster or just let Zappe battle Mac in training camp. With roughly 49M in expected cap space this offseason https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2023/ I don't see Bill spending big money on a free agent QB or trading for one with a fairly large salary. Ultimately I think that Bill sticks with who he has on the roster and we see Jones & Zappe battle it out in the preseason.
Next up is free agency and while I think rebuilding the offensive line should be first and foremost,BB should probably do this with their draft picks.
Here's a list of our soon to be free agents:
I'm hoping to see McCourty,Jones,Slater,Meyers,Peppers,Ferentz,Cannon & Wilson back. Jonathan Jones & Jakobi Meyers are the two likely to see more money out on the market.
I'd add Damien Harris too but BB just drafted Pierre Strong & Kevin Harris in last year's draft which could mean that Damien Harris is gone. I'm ok with bringing back Agholor but not anywhere close to the 11M he made in 2022.
I'd say that our biggest needs are (outside of quarterback):
Offensive Tackle Left & Right (I can see one of Trent Brown or Isaiah Wynn brought back but not both)
Wide Receiver (a #1option)
Wide Receiver (a #2 option) (if Meyers isn't re-signed)
Cornerback (if Jonathan Jones leaves
Center (David Andrews insurance)
Free Safety (potentially McCourty's replacement)
Punter (Jake Bailey just re-signed in 2022 but was just suspended and likely not coming back)
Kicker (wouldn't hurt to start looking for a longterm replacement for Nick Folk)
Here are the draft picks we currently own and are expected to get (comp picks.)
Round 1, Pick 14 overall
Round 2, Pick 46 overall
Round 3, Pick 76 overall (From CAR)
Round 3 Compensatory pick for losing JC Jackson
Round 4, Pick 104 overall (from LAR)
Round 4, Pick 114 overall
Round 6, Pick 170 overall (From LV)
Round 6, Pick 173 overall (From CAR)
Round 6, Pick 178 overall
Round 6 Compensatory pick for losing Ted Karras
I think our entire offseason will come down to:
1. Who lines up at QB next season?
2. Who is calling the plays on offense?
3. Did we strengthen our offensive line?
4. Can we find a #1 Wideout?
If we can answer those four questions above I think we'll be back competing for the postseason sooner than later.
As for the defense,I'm not worried about it at all. Belichick always has that side of the ball doing their part.
Eric
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That was an impressive exit interview @erikthredd. I appreciate the work you put in this year and I look forward to seeing you sometime during OTAs
Thanks Coach! I'll be ready to go for Preseason game #1 just make sure that I get my roster bonus for not showing up to mandatory OTA's.
Eric
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https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/12/report-mac-jones-behind-bill-belichick-back-help-struggling-offense/
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Here's a list of OC candidates coming in for an interview:
Bill O'Brien - Alabama offensive coordinator
Nick Caley - Patriots tight ends coach
Keenan McCardell - Vikings wide receivers coach
Adrian Klemm - Oregon associate head coach might be a good fit there.
Shawn Jefferson - Cardinals associate head coach/WRs coach
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-offensive-coordinator-candidates-interviewees-bill-obrien-keenan-mccardell-nick-caley
Where they just wasted a season experimenting with the position I'm hoping they just go with O'Brien, the one guy from that list with experience as an OC. They should probably replace whoever was the Offensive Line coach from last season as well,maybe Adrian Klemm can fill that role instead.
Eric
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Its official, Bo'B is back as Pats OC. Now go find a better OL coach.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35516310/sources-bill-obrien-returns-new-england-patriots-oc
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Pats hired Adrian Klemm to be their OL coach, hopefully he's a better coach than he was a player. I didn't realize that he's the 6th OL coach in NE over the previous 5 seasons.
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-show-willingness-spend-out-coaching-hole-adrian-klemm-hire?b
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We definitely need help in that area.
Here's hoping they draft a Left Tackle and a Center, possibly a Right Tackle too.
Trent Brown did start and play in all 17 games but he's got a cap hit of 12M for this upcoming season. I don't see him making that unless they renegotiate and add a year or two while freeing up some cap space. I doubt they re-sign Isaiah Wynn.
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