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BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,329 ✭✭✭✭✭

This is the first major U.S. coin purchase I have made in about 5 years. The reason that I bought it is because I've been looking for a reasonably priced, nice example of this coin for over a decade. It's not rare, and is rated an R-2, but it's also quite popular. Many of the pieces that I have seen at the shows were high priced or had problems that caused me to reject them. Here is my photo of the piece.


And here is the PCGS True View photo.

My interest is this variety rests in the fact that it is believed to have been the first Draped Bust design coin. The Draped Bust design has attracted me since I was kid collector in high school. I have always thought that it was very attractive, and wanted to form a type collection of these pieces. I went even further and formed a "Red Book" collection of the early half dimes, minus the 1802 which out of my financial reach.

When the die sinker (Robert Scot?) was preparing this die, he punched the bust design in too far to the left. Since dies were expensive, he proceeded and finished the die. This probably explains the center dot was placed on the die for many future die sinkings. The goal was to get the design placed properly on the coin.

This piece is a PCGS graded VF-35, gold shield. It does not have a CAC sticker, and I imagine that it failed to get one. The dealer from whom I bought this piece usually sends his coins to CAC for an approval, and he made it a point to say that it was not a non-CAC example. I don't know why it failed, but it may have saved me a few dollars. It really doesn't matter to me because, given the price paid, the coin pleases me. And no it was not "bargain priced."

For those who are not familiar with the "regular variety," here is an example of the 1795 Bust Dollar with the proper centering.

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  • COINS MAKE CENTSCOINS MAKE CENTS Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is very nice!!!! Nice and original look!

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  • ShaunBC5ShaunBC5 Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Really nice pick up! I’m sure it’s worth every penny you paid for it.
    I’m still on the hunt for my first 17xx coin to show up at the same time I have money to purchase it.

  • bennybravobennybravo Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭

    Beautiful. Nice pickup! :)

  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A very nice coin. Thank you for the comprehensive background information. Which is more representative of the coin, your pictures or the True View?

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice

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  • rip_frip_f Posts: 368 ✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for sharing a great coin, and for the educational back story.

  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congrats! She's very nice.

  • LukeMarshallLukeMarshall Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great info on the left shifted bust design!

    Side by side, I think I may like it better than the centered version...

    It's all about what the people want...

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm glad your desires were not stopped by you know who!

  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A beautiful coin . . . superb.

    Drunner

  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is an extremely appealing original example of a beautiful design. I expect nothing less from a man with your patience and discerning taste.

  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Off-center or not, what a great looking bust dollar!

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund said:
    Off-center or not, what a great looking bust dollar!

    I don't think it's off center in the way you are thinking. The design is off center and all of this variety are struck that way.

  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin! I know you don't care much but, from the photo, it looks to be conservatively graded and CAC-able.

    Tom

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,329 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DisneyFan said:
    A very nice coin. Thank you for the comprehensive background information. Which is more representative of the coin, your pictures or the True View?

    I sat with the coin in my hand adjusting my pictures.

    The True View is close since this is a circulated coin. My observations are that generally the True View photos make coins look better than they are in person, especially in Mint State.

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 9, 2022 2:21PM

    Very nice, wholesome example!

    High end VF.

    I love any U.S. coin from the 18th century.

    You chose a really cool coin to break your dry spell.

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I knew it would be a moose when I clicked on the post, and it did not disappoint….fantastic coin, BillJones!
    Also informative, as I didn’t realize this variety existed.

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  • steelieleesteelielee Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭

    Nice, well worth the wait.

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  • USMarine6USMarine6 Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin and thanks for the knowledge

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great coin Bill. Really nice detail and nothing distracting. Maybe it's a common-ish coin, but not too many of them look like this.

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice coin Bill! Congratulations!!


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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:

    @moursund said:
    Off-center or not, what a great looking bust dollar!

    I don't think it's off center in the way you are thinking. The design is off center and all of this variety are struck that way.

    I understand!

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  • robecrobec Posts: 6,778 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’d sure give it a sticker. Great coin!!

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,882 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:

    Thanks for sharing your recent acquisition and the history behind it.
    Early coppers are only a dream for most of us, this includes me.

    @ShaunBC5 said:

    Thanks for the picture on identifying
    The off center bust versus a centered bust strikes.
    Wayne

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,610 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Common" or not, that is a spectacular looking coin and far, far nicer than the vast majority of pieces out there. Well done.

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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very well done!

  • pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice Bill. It's a hard to find coin with good detail and no major problems. Enjoy!

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,610 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah, that’s nice.

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,154 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful coin, Bill. I know you are proud of that. Congratulations on a great addition to an already great collection.
    Jim


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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice she is busting out of them stars.



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  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The most wholesome vf 1795 that I have seen that was available to purchase.

    Good for you.

    Have a nice day
  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,364 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bravo Bill. Very original. Thanks for the additional info too.

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  • 1northcoin1northcoin Posts: 4,516 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ditto

    Thanks for sharing

  • 59Horsehide59Horsehide Posts: 427 ✭✭✭

    Awesome coin, sir. I wish it could tell us all the places it has been!

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,394 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice piece!

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  • Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 5,910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great example Bill. I have a couple gorgeous bust dollars that failed CAC (old cleaning JA said, I say of course, 99% of these were cleaned), that clearly are fantastic like yours. Great to hear the explanation of bust placement, we need more post like yours, about the coins and what they are telling us.

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  • charlesf20charlesf20 Posts: 383 ✭✭✭

    Cool.

  • TomthemailcarrierTomthemailcarrier Posts: 647 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Your patience was rewarded by a fine looking coin. I’ve found that the coins that I appreciate the most are the ones where I waited for the right one to be available. I really enjoy hearing the history behind the coin too. Thank .you for posting the coin and the story behind it.

  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great looking coin and fun to stare at.

    Nice to break a 5-year dry spell I bet.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice one!

  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great coin, Bill, congratulations on acquiring it!

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  • RollermanRollerman Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a fine specimen and congrat's for finding it. At first glance, I was thinking XF40, but a VF35 isn't very far off. Real nice coin!

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  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:

    @DisneyFan said:
    A very nice coin. Thank you for the comprehensive background information. Which is more representative of the coin, your pictures or the True View?

    I sat with the coin in my hand adjusting my pictures.

    The True View is close since this is a circulated coin. My observations are that generally the True View photos make coins look better than they are in person, especially in Mint State.

    I actually liked your pictures better. I thought the True Views made the coin look like an early copper.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones .... That is a great coin.... nice detail, interesting variety, great condition.... Excellent acquisition. Thanks for the great picture. Cheers, RickO

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That’s excellent!

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    one we can all live with....

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,982 ✭✭✭✭✭

    congrats

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