I suppose getting back on topic slightly. I have never been to FUN and someday maybe would like to attend. The only pandemic related reason I would not attend would be because of risk my flight was cancelled or I was stuck out of state due to infection. If I lived within reasonable driving distance I would go.
@bigjpst said:
The large number of people who test positive who never have any symptoms makes you wonder if there are asymptomatic cases or just false positive tests.
Once we stop politicizing a virus and demonizing people for vaccination status I think things can return to somewhat normal lives. Good luck with that.
There have been published studies on false positives and false negatives with the different types of Covid tests. No test is perfect but from what I recall of the summaries of these studies, anywhere from a <% to maybe 10%-ish false negatives (depends on the stage of infection apparently), and false positives are much much rarer. I am aware of one false positive for a person I interacted with, which was demonstrated to be likely negative bc she then took several more tests within 2 days that all came out negative (PCR was neg after a quick kit test was +, as were negs for different brands of the quick test). So it happens both ways, but not in anyway misleading in the amount of positives or the >800,000 deaths from Covid in the US alone. It is real, it is happening, there is a pandemic going on. Now who knows that could change with further study, nothing is impossible.
When I was a young lad we all lined up at school and got our shots - mostly several vaccinations, you are right, no one politicized it and we all just did it because it is the best way to snuff out a disease by being vaxxed. The politicalization seems to me to come from those who won't do their part for queen, country, and all of humanity, by getting vaxxed to help eradicate this thing. Not only in the US, but well documented in Europe and elsehwere as well. Just sayin'.
@bigjpst said:
The large number of people who test positive who never have any symptoms makes you wonder if there are asymptomatic cases or just false positive tests.
Once we stop politicizing a virus and demonizing people for vaccination status I think things can return to somewhat normal lives. Good luck with that.
There have been published studies on false positives and false negatives with the different types of Covid tests. No test is perfect but from what I recall of the summaries of these studies, anywhere from a <% to maybe 10%-ish false negatives (depends on the stage of infection apparently), and false positives are much much rarer. I am aware of one false positive for a person I interacted with, which was demonstrated to be likely negative bc she then took several more tests within 2 days that all came out negative (PCR was neg after a quick kit test was +, as were negs for different brands of the quick test). So it happens both ways, but not in anyway misleading in the amount of positives or the >800,000 deaths from Covid in the US alone. It is real, it is happening, there is a pandemic going on. Now who knows that could change with further study, nothing is impossible.
When I was a young lad we all lined up at school and got our shots - mostly several vaccinations, you are right, no one politicized it and we all just did it because it is the best way to snuff out a disease by being vaxxed. The politicalization seems to me to come from those who won't do their part for queen, country, and all of humanity, by getting vaxxed to help eradicate this thing. Not only in the US, but well documented in Europe and elsehwere as well. Just sayin'.
@bigjpst said:
The large number of people who test positive who never have any symptoms makes you wonder if there are asymptomatic cases or just false positive tests.
Once we stop politicizing a virus and demonizing people for vaccination status I think things can return to somewhat normal lives. Good luck with that.
There have been published studies on false positives and false negatives with the different types of Covid tests. No test is perfect but from what I recall of the summaries of these studies, anywhere from a <% to maybe 10%-ish false negatives (depends on the stage of infection apparently), and false positives are much much rarer. I am aware of one false positive for a person I interacted with, which was demonstrated to be likely negative bc she then took several more tests within 2 days that all came out negative (PCR was neg after a quick kit test was +, as were negs for different brands of the quick test). So it happens both ways, but not in anyway misleading in the amount of positives or the >800,000 deaths from Covid in the US alone. It is real, it is happening, there is a pandemic going on. Now who knows that could change with further study, nothing is impossible.
When I was a young lad we all lined up at school and got our shots - mostly several vaccinations, you are right, no one politicized it and we all just did it because it is the best way to snuff out a disease by being vaxxed. The politicalization seems to me to come from those who won't do their part for queen, country, and all of humanity, by getting vaxxed to help eradicate this thing. Not only in the US, but well documented in Europe and elsehwere as well. Just sayin'.
Best, SH
I think the vax hesitancy comes from people who distrust the government more than people who "won't do their part". That's why the two largest groups of unvaxed people in this country are Republicans (despite the fact that it is the "Trump vaccine") and BIPOC.
I agree, except that it clearly can't be the Trump vaccine because our current admin VP would not have gotten the "Trump" vaccine. This is a joke for those that don't understand emojis.
I think the vax hesitancy comes from people who distrust the government more than people who "won't do their part". That's why the two largest groups of unvaxed people in this country are Republicans (despite the fact that it is the "Trump vaccine") and BIPOC.
While we are off topic enough, the political part really needs to be edited out
I'm not sure why that is any more political than the post that it was responding to. I'm not sure it is political at all. It is also far less judgmental than the post I was responding to.
If you can get the post I responded to to delete the "political part", I will gladly follow suit.
Otherwise, let her roll...there's a cliff up ahead.
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Same bad actors in this thread grousing about the pandemic being politicized in one breath and then dropping political innuendo with the next.
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@bigjpst said:
The large number of people who test positive who never have any symptoms makes you wonder if there are asymptomatic cases or just false positive tests.
Once we stop politicizing a virus and demonizing people for vaccination status I think things can return to somewhat normal lives. Good luck with that.
by getting vaxxed to help eradicate this thing.
Best, SH
Let's hope. I guess we will know when they tell us it's time for our 2nd or 3rd or 4th booster. I don't see this going away or being eradicated. We need to learn to deal with it. Once the treatment becomes more than take some tylenol and go home unless you can't breath, maybe we will be on track to do that.
@Justacommeman said:
Same bad actors in this thread grousing about the pandemic being politicized in one breath and then dropping political innuendo in the next.
@Justacommeman said:
Same bad actors in this thread grousing about the pandemic being politicized in one breath and then dropping political innuendo in the next.
True. I also take exception with the notion that anyone acting in the best interest of their own or their employees' health is "making a political statement".
@Justacommeman said:
Same bad actors in this thread grousing about the pandemic being politicized in one breath and then dropping political innuendo in the next.
True. I also take exception with the notion that anyone acting in the best interest of their own or their employees' health is "making a political statement".
@MsMorrisine said:
It doesn’t matter who said it unless their flight to fun was cancelled
I'm still confused. But I don't really want to reread the entire thread.
I believe this might be the post in question:
hedgefundtradingdesk Posts: 3 ✭ December 30, 2021 12:31AM
So will everyone bail on NY International, which has 4x the case rate of Orlando? Or are PCGS and Heritage being nakedly political here?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@bigjpst said:
The large number of people who test positive who never have any symptoms makes you wonder if there are asymptomatic cases or just false positive tests.
Once we stop politicizing a virus and demonizing people for vaccination status I think things can return to somewhat normal lives. Good luck with that.
There have been published studies on false positives and false negatives with the different types of Covid tests. No test is perfect but from what I recall of the summaries of these studies, anywhere from a <% to maybe 10%-ish false negatives (depends on the stage of infection apparently), and false positives are much much rarer. I am aware of one false positive for a person I interacted with, which was demonstrated to be likely negative bc she then took several more tests within 2 days that all came out negative (PCR was neg after a quick kit test was +, as were negs for different brands of the quick test). So it happens both ways, but not in anyway misleading in the amount of positives or the >800,000 deaths from Covid in the US alone. It is real, it is happening, there is a pandemic going on. Now who knows that could change with further study, nothing is impossible.
When I was a young lad we all lined up at school and got our shots - mostly several vaccinations, you are right, no one politicized it and we all just did it because it is the best way to snuff out a disease by being vaxxed. The politicalization seems to me to come from those who won't do their part for queen, country, and all of humanity, by getting vaxxed to help eradicate this thing. Not only in the US, but well documented in Europe and elsehwere as well. Just sayin'.
@bigjpst said:
The large number of people who test positive who never have any symptoms makes you wonder if there are asymptomatic cases or just false positive tests.
Once we stop politicizing a virus and demonizing people for vaccination status I think things can return to somewhat normal lives. Good luck with that.
There have been published studies on false positives and false negatives with the different types of Covid tests. No test is perfect but from what I recall of the summaries of these studies, anywhere from a <% to maybe 10%-ish false negatives (depends on the stage of infection apparently), and false positives are much much rarer. I am aware of one false positive for a person I interacted with, which was demonstrated to be likely negative bc she then took several more tests within 2 days that all came out negative (PCR was neg after a quick kit test was +, as were negs for different brands of the quick test). So it happens both ways, but not in anyway misleading in the amount of positives or the >800,000 deaths from Covid in the US alone. It is real, it is happening, there is a pandemic going on. Now who knows that could change with further study, nothing is impossible.
When I was a young lad we all lined up at school and got our shots - mostly several vaccinations, you are right, no one politicized it and we all just did it because it is the best way to snuff out a disease by being vaxxed. The politicalization seems to me to come from those who won't do their part for queen, country, and all of humanity, by getting vaxxed to help eradicate this thing. Not only in the US, but well documented in Europe and elsehwere as well. Just sayin'.
Best, SH
Sigh...edited because some people don't like it
Is that a first?
Maybe not but it’s a bit unexpected.
No. I sometimes reconsider. Probably more than most, but whatever...
@Zoins said:
Case numbers are high but mild for those who are vaccinated.
A question is whether having a case of Covid would prevent someone from boarding a plane?
Morally? IMO, yes.
Here's an interesting situation where someone made a decision in the best interests of safety for others. A woman boarded a flight but then self-administered a Covid test on the plane after take off:
Marisa Fotieo said:
The wheels started turning in my brain and I thought, 'OK, I'm going to just go take a test.' It was going to make me feel better. Immediately, it came back positive.
She was then quarantined in the airplane bathroom for 3 hours.
@Zoins said:
Case numbers are high but mild for those who are vaccinated.
A question is whether having a case of Covid would prevent someone from boarding a plane?
Morally? IMO, yes.
Here's an interesting situation where someone made a decision in the best interests of safety for others. A woman boarded a flight but then self-administered a Covid test on the plane after take off:
Marisa Fotieo said:
The wheels started turning in my brain and I thought, 'OK, I'm going to just go take a test.' It was going to make me feel better. Immediately, it came back positive.
She was then quarantined in the airplane bathroom for 3 hours.
That does not make much sense to me. Put a KN95 or N95 mask on her and sit her in the back with her family. Based on the asymptomatic carrier rate, odds are that there were another 5-10 people on the plain that also would have tested positive if you checked. If you think that you are flying (domestic) Covid-free flights, you are dead wrong (pun intended).
@Zoins said:
Here's an interesting situation where someone made a decision in the best interests of safety for others. A woman boarded a flight but then self-administered a Covid test on the plane after take off:
Marisa Fotieo said:
The wheels started turning in my brain and I thought, 'OK, I'm going to just go take a test.' It was going to make me feel better. Immediately, it came back positive.
She was then quarantined in the airplane bathroom for 3 hours.
@Zoins said:
Here's an interesting situation where someone made a decision in the best interests of safety for others. A woman boarded a flight but then self-administered a Covid test on the plane after take off:
Marisa Fotieo said:
The wheels started turning in my brain and I thought, 'OK, I'm going to just go take a test.' It was going to make me feel better. Immediately, it came back positive.
She was then quarantined in the airplane bathroom for 3 hours.
@Zoins said:
Here's an interesting situation where someone made a decision in the best interests of safety for others. A woman boarded a flight but then self-administered a Covid test on the plane after take off:
Marisa Fotieo said:
The wheels started turning in my brain and I thought, 'OK, I'm going to just go take a test.' It was going to make me feel better. Immediately, it came back positive.
She was then quarantined in the airplane bathroom for 3 hours.
Pure sensationalism and wanting the five minutes in spotlight.
Should have administered it at home instead of all this drama.
Agree. And since the bathroom is on the same HVAC system as the rest of the plane...
And why is she carrying an unused test? Wanted her 15 minutes and got it. If so, she didn't do the right thing. She did the wrong thing.
Your question baffles me. I’d bet that a lot of people travel with unused tests. In her case, maybe she was carrying one because she had (about) six of them and, as quoted from the article below, had used about five of them. previously.
“Before the flight, Fotieo told CNN she took two PCR tests and about five rapid tests, all of which came back negative. But about an hour and a half into the flight, Fotieo started to feel a sore throat.”
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@Zoins said:
Here's an interesting situation where someone made a decision in the best interests of safety for others. A woman boarded a flight but then self-administered a Covid test on the plane after take off:
Marisa Fotieo said:
The wheels started turning in my brain and I thought, 'OK, I'm going to just go take a test.' It was going to make me feel better. Immediately, it came back positive.
She was then quarantined in the airplane bathroom for 3 hours.
Pure sensationalism and wanting the five minutes in spotlight.
Should have administered it at home instead of all this drama.
Did you read the article?
“...Before the flight, Fotieo told CNN she took two PCR tests and about five rapid tests, all of which came back negative. But about an hour and a half into the flight, Fotieo started to feel a sore throat...”
You don’t think it was enough for her to have taken about seven tests prior to the flight? How was she guilty of “sensationalism” for taking another test after getting a sore throat?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I got a warning from PCGS moderators for expressing a negative opinion of the Confederacy and a positive one of The Union. And yet this petri dish of a thread festers away on the weekend.
@CopperWire said:
I got a warning from PCGS moderators for expressing a negative opinion of the Confederacy and a positive one of The Union. And yet this petri dish of a thread festers away on the weekend.
I'm guessing this thread will be closed sometime tomorrow when the moderators come back to work.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
@Zoins said:
Here's an interesting situation where someone made a decision in the best interests of safety for others. A woman boarded a flight but then self-administered a Covid test on the plane after take off:
Marisa Fotieo said:
The wheels started turning in my brain and I thought, 'OK, I'm going to just go take a test.' It was going to make me feel better. Immediately, it came back positive.
She was then quarantined in the airplane bathroom for 3 hours.
Pure sensationalism and wanting the five minutes in spotlight.
Should have administered it at home instead of all this drama.
Agree. And since the bathroom is on the same HVAC system as the rest of the plane...
And why is she carrying an unused test? Wanted her 15 minutes and got it. If so, she didn't do the right thing. She did the wrong thing.
Your question baffles me. I’d bet that a lot of people travel with unused tests. In her case, maybe she was carrying one because she had (about) six of them and, as quoted from the article below, had used about five of them. previously.
“Before the flight, Fotieo told CNN she took two PCR tests and about five rapid tests, all of which came back negative. But about an hour and a half into the flight, Fotieo started to feel a sore throat.”
Idk. It just didn't make sense. Could happen, I suppose. But why would you take 7 tests, especially when the first 6 were negative? People do crazy things, but it just doesn't ring true.
@Zoins said:
Here's an interesting situation where someone made a decision in the best interests of safety for others. A woman boarded a flight but then self-administered a Covid test on the plane after take off:
Marisa Fotieo said:
The wheels started turning in my brain and I thought, 'OK, I'm going to just go take a test.' It was going to make me feel better. Immediately, it came back positive.
She was then quarantined in the airplane bathroom for 3 hours.
Pure sensationalism and wanting the five minutes in spotlight.
Should have administered it at home instead of all this drama.
Agree. And since the bathroom is on the same HVAC system as the rest of the plane...
And why is she carrying an unused test? Wanted her 15 minutes and got it. If so, she didn't do the right thing. She did the wrong thing.
Your question baffles me. I’d bet that a lot of people travel with unused tests. In her case, maybe she was carrying one because she had (about) six of them and, as quoted from the article below, had used about five of them. previously.
“Before the flight, Fotieo told CNN she took two PCR tests and about five rapid tests, all of which came back negative. But about an hour and a half into the flight, Fotieo started to feel a sore throat.”
Idk. It just didn't make sense. Could happen, I suppose. But why would you take 7 tests, especially when the first 6 were negative? People do crazy things, but it just doesn't ring true.
Did you read the article? It didn’t state over what time period the tests were taken. But it did say “Fotieo, who is fully vaccinated and has received the booster, is an early childhood teacher in Chicago. She tests consistently since she works with an unvaccinated population.”
It rings truer to me than that this was a case of “pure sensationalism” or that someone would question why a passenger on a plane would be carrying an used test.😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@Zoins said:
Here's an interesting situation where someone made a decision in the best interests of safety for others. A woman boarded a flight but then self-administered a Covid test on the plane after take off:
Marisa Fotieo said:
The wheels started turning in my brain and I thought, 'OK, I'm going to just go take a test.' It was going to make me feel better. Immediately, it came back positive.
She was then quarantined in the airplane bathroom for 3 hours.
Pure sensationalism and wanting the five minutes in spotlight.
Should have administered it at home instead of all this drama.
Agree. And since the bathroom is on the same HVAC system as the rest of the plane...
And why is she carrying an unused test? Wanted her 15 minutes and got it. If so, she didn't do the right thing. She did the wrong thing.
Your question baffles me. I’d bet that a lot of people travel with unused tests. In her case, maybe she was carrying one because she had (about) six of them and, as quoted from the article below, had used about five of them. previously.
“Before the flight, Fotieo told CNN she took two PCR tests and about five rapid tests, all of which came back negative. But about an hour and a half into the flight, Fotieo started to feel a sore throat.”
Idk. It just didn't make sense. Could happen, I suppose. But why would you take 7 tests, especially when the first 6 were negative? People do crazy things, but it just doesn't ring true.
I know a doc who recently thought he had COVID, had 3 negative nasal swab tests, an ER nurse suggested he swab his sore throat - Positive.
@CopperWire said:
I got a warning from PCGS moderators for expressing a negative opinion of the Confederacy and a positive one of The Union. And yet this petri dish of a thread festers away on the weekend.
I'm guessing this thread will be closed sometime tomorrow when the moderators come back to work.
@Zoins said:
Here's an interesting situation where someone made a decision in the best interests of safety for others. A woman boarded a flight but then self-administered a Covid test on the plane after take off:
Marisa Fotieo said:
The wheels started turning in my brain and I thought, 'OK, I'm going to just go take a test.' It was going to make me feel better. Immediately, it came back positive.
She was then quarantined in the airplane bathroom for 3 hours.
Pure sensationalism and wanting the five minutes in spotlight.
Should have administered it at home instead of all this drama.
Agree. And since the bathroom is on the same HVAC system as the rest of the plane...
And why is she carrying an unused test? Wanted her 15 minutes and got it. If so, she didn't do the right thing. She did the wrong thing.
Your question baffles me. I’d bet that a lot of people travel with unused tests. In her case, maybe she was carrying one because she had (about) six of them and, as quoted from the article below, had used about five of them. previously.
“Before the flight, Fotieo told CNN she took two PCR tests and about five rapid tests, all of which came back negative. But about an hour and a half into the flight, Fotieo started to feel a sore throat.”
Idk. It just didn't make sense. Could happen, I suppose. But why would you take 7 tests, especially when the first 6 were negative? People do crazy things, but it just doesn't ring true.
Did you read the article? It didn’t state over what time period the tests were taken. But it did say “Fotieo, who is fully vaccinated and has received the booster, is an early childhood teacher in Chicago. She tests consistently since she works with an unvaccinated population.”
It rings truer to me than that this was a case of “pure sensationalism” or that someone would question why a passenger on a plane would be carrying an used test.😉
Lol. Idk. And she calls her school? She's on her way to Switzerland. Not to mention she puts the whole thing on social media. To me, it rings more of "pure sensationalism" (your term).
I also don't know what it has to do with FUN, coins, or anything else. So I guess I don't really need to care at all.
@Zoins said:
Here's an interesting situation where someone made a decision in the best interests of safety for others. A woman boarded a flight but then self-administered a Covid test on the plane after take off:
Marisa Fotieo said:
The wheels started turning in my brain and I thought, 'OK, I'm going to just go take a test.' It was going to make me feel better. Immediately, it came back positive.
She was then quarantined in the airplane bathroom for 3 hours.
Pure sensationalism and wanting the five minutes in spotlight.
Should have administered it at home instead of all this drama.
Agree. And since the bathroom is on the same HVAC system as the rest of the plane...
And why is she carrying an unused test? Wanted her 15 minutes and got it. If so, she didn't do the right thing. She did the wrong thing.
Your question baffles me. I’d bet that a lot of people travel with unused tests. In her case, maybe she was carrying one because she had (about) six of them and, as quoted from the article below, had used about five of them. previously.
“Before the flight, Fotieo told CNN she took two PCR tests and about five rapid tests, all of which came back negative. But about an hour and a half into the flight, Fotieo started to feel a sore throat.”
Idk. It just didn't make sense. Could happen, I suppose. But why would you take 7 tests, especially when the first 6 were negative? People do crazy things, but it just doesn't ring true.
Did you read the article? It didn’t state over what time period the tests were taken. But it did say “Fotieo, who is fully vaccinated and has received the booster, is an early childhood teacher in Chicago. She tests consistently since she works with an unvaccinated population.”
It rings truer to me than that this was a case of “pure sensationalism” or that someone would question why a passenger on a plane would be carrying an used test.😉
Lol. Idk. And she calls her school? She's on her way to Switzerland. Not to mention she puts the whole thing on social media. To me, it rings more of "pure sensationalism" (your term).
I also don't know what it has to do with FUN, coins, or anything else. So I guess I don't really need to care at all.
“Pure sensationalism” wasn’t my term. It was used by @vulcanize, whose post you quoted and then wrote “Agree” at the beginning of your reply.
You questioned her call to her school. I presume it was to try to get the word out to anyone who might have been exposed.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Did you read the article?
“...Before the flight, Fotieo told CNN she took two PCR tests and about five rapid tests, all of which came back negative. But about an hour and a half into the flight, Fotieo started to feel a sore throat...”
You don’t think it was enough for her to have taken about seven tests prior to the flight? How was she guilty of “sensationalism” for taking another test after getting a sore throat?
DUH!!!!
It was her social media (tiktok video to be precise) that got picked up by mainstream media to be made into a feel good story.
Did you read the article?
“...Before the flight, Fotieo told CNN she took two PCR tests and about five rapid tests, all of which came back negative. But about an hour and a half into the flight, Fotieo started to feel a sore throat...”
You don’t think it was enough for her to have taken about seven tests prior to the flight? How was she guilty of “sensationalism” for taking another test after getting a sore throat?
DUH!!!!
It was her social media (tiktok video to be precise) that got picked up by mainstream media to be made into a feel good story.
Previously, you wrote “ Should have administered it at home instead of all this drama.” That doesn’t sound like a reasonable criticism, considering all of the tests she’d taken and we don’t know whether one or more of them had already been taken at home. Oh and it’s “duh” or “Duh”, not “DUH”.😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Did you read the article?
“...Before the flight, Fotieo told CNN she took two PCR tests and about five rapid tests, all of which came back negative. But about an hour and a half into the flight, Fotieo started to feel a sore throat...”
You don’t think it was enough for her to have taken about seven tests prior to the flight? How was she guilty of “sensationalism” for taking another test after getting a sore throat?
DUH!!!!
It was her social media (tiktok video to be precise) that got picked up by mainstream media to be made into a feel good story.
Previously, you wrote “ Should have administered it at home instead of all this drama.” That doesn’t sound like a reasonable criticism, considering all of the tests she’d taken and we don’t know whether one or more of them had already been taken at home.
Foteio said she had taken five of the rapid tests ** in the days before leaving** and they were all negative.
She never did it on the day of the flight and could have very well done it before embarking on the journey.
Oh and it’s “duh” or “Duh”, not “DUH”.😉
That was me "yelling" because of your selective choices
Did you read the article?
“...Before the flight, Fotieo told CNN she took two PCR tests and about five rapid tests, all of which came back negative. But about an hour and a half into the flight, Fotieo started to feel a sore throat...”
You don’t think it was enough for her to have taken about seven tests prior to the flight? How was she guilty of “sensationalism” for taking another test after getting a sore throat?
DUH!!!!
It was her social media (tiktok video to be precise) that got picked up by mainstream media to be made into a feel good story.
Previously, you wrote “ Should have administered it at home instead of all this drama.” That doesn’t sound like a reasonable criticism, considering all of the tests she’d taken and we don’t know whether one or more of them had already been taken at home.
Foteio said she had taken five of the rapid tests ** in the days before leaving** and they were all negative.
She never did it on the day of the flight and could have very well done it before embarking on the journey.
Oh and it’s “duh” or “Duh”, not “DUH”.😉
That was me "yelling" because of your selective choices
Yes, she could have taken yet another test before embarking on her journey. But (“DUH”😉) she didn’t get a sore throat until she was on the flight and that was what caused her to test again.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@MFeld said:
Yes, she could have taken yet another test before embarking on her journey. But (“DUH”😉) she didn’t get a sore throat until she was on the flight and that was what caused her to test again.
Which percisely brings us back a whole circle to "Pure sensationalism and wanting the five minutes in spotlight" because she SHOULD HAVE tested before leaving for the airport if she was so concerned, as the news articles paint her to have been.
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I suppose getting back on topic slightly. I have never been to FUN and someday maybe would like to attend. The only pandemic related reason I would not attend would be because of risk my flight was cancelled or I was stuck out of state due to infection. If I lived within reasonable driving distance I would go.
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There have been published studies on false positives and false negatives with the different types of Covid tests. No test is perfect but from what I recall of the summaries of these studies, anywhere from a <% to maybe 10%-ish false negatives (depends on the stage of infection apparently), and false positives are much much rarer. I am aware of one false positive for a person I interacted with, which was demonstrated to be likely negative bc she then took several more tests within 2 days that all came out negative (PCR was neg after a quick kit test was +, as were negs for different brands of the quick test). So it happens both ways, but not in anyway misleading in the amount of positives or the >800,000 deaths from Covid in the US alone. It is real, it is happening, there is a pandemic going on. Now who knows that could change with further study, nothing is impossible.
When I was a young lad we all lined up at school and got our shots - mostly several vaccinations, you are right, no one politicized it and we all just did it because it is the best way to snuff out a disease by being vaxxed. The politicalization seems to me to come from those who won't do their part for queen, country, and all of humanity, by getting vaxxed to help eradicate this thing. Not only in the US, but well documented in Europe and elsehwere as well. Just sayin'.
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I agree, except that it clearly can't be the Trump vaccine because our current admin VP would not have gotten the "Trump" vaccine.
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While we are off topic enough, the political part really needs to be edited out
I'm not sure why that is any more political than the post that it was responding to. I'm not sure it is political at all. It is also far less judgmental than the post I was responding to.
If you can get the post I responded to to delete the "political part", I will gladly follow suit.
Otherwise, let her roll...there's a cliff up ahead.
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IDK. It's all been very civil.
Same bad actors in this thread grousing about the pandemic being politicized in one breath and then dropping political innuendo with the next.
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Let's hope. I guess we will know when they tell us it's time for our 2nd or 3rd or 4th booster. I don't see this going away or being eradicated. We need to learn to deal with it. Once the treatment becomes more than take some tylenol and go home unless you can't breath, maybe we will be on track to do that.
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flight cancellations way up today - combination staff shortage and bad weather in parts of country
Bad weather affected some cities yesterday/y-evening
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True. I also take exception with the notion that anyone acting in the best interest of their own or their employees' health is "making a political statement".
I'm not posting anything since I plan to be here awhile.
The thread will likely be closed by Monday, but I don't see anything ban-worthy. YMMV.
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Who said that???
It doesn’t matter who said it unless their flight to fun was cancelled
I'm still confused. But I don't really want to reread the entire thread.
I believe this might be the post in question:
hedgefundtradingdesk Posts: 3 ✭ December 30, 2021 12:31AM
So will everyone bail on NY International, which has 4x the case rate of Orlando? Or are PCGS and Heritage being nakedly political here?
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Ah...yes. I remember it now.
I'm kind of sorry I asked. Didn't mean to bring it up again.
Is that a first?
Maybe not but it’s a bit unexpected.
No. I sometimes reconsider. Probably more than most, but whatever...
You must be a little guy. Airports are hell for large people. Bring back trains!
Just saying. Eyes closed or open. This is it
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Here's an interesting situation where someone made a decision in the best interests of safety for others. A woman boarded a flight but then self-administered a Covid test on the plane after take off:
She was then quarantined in the airplane bathroom for 3 hours.
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/icelandair-covid-passenger-quarantines-trnd/index.html
That does not make much sense to me. Put a KN95 or N95 mask on her and sit her in the back with her family. Based on the asymptomatic carrier rate, odds are that there were another 5-10 people on the plain that also would have tested positive if you checked. If you think that you are flying (domestic) Covid-free flights, you are dead wrong (pun intended).
Pure sensationalism and wanting the five minutes in spotlight.
Should have administered it at home instead of all this drama.
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Agree. And since the bathroom is on the same HVAC system as the rest of the plane...
And why is she carrying an unused test? Wanted her 15 minutes and got it. If so, she didn't do the right thing. She did the wrong thing.
Your question baffles me. I’d bet that a lot of people travel with unused tests. In her case, maybe she was carrying one because she had (about) six of them and, as quoted from the article below, had used about five of them. previously.
“Before the flight, Fotieo told CNN she took two PCR tests and about five rapid tests, all of which came back negative. But about an hour and a half into the flight, Fotieo started to feel a sore throat.”
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Did you read the article?
“...Before the flight, Fotieo told CNN she took two PCR tests and about five rapid tests, all of which came back negative. But about an hour and a half into the flight, Fotieo started to feel a sore throat...”
You don’t think it was enough for her to have taken about seven tests prior to the flight? How was she guilty of “sensationalism” for taking another test after getting a sore throat?
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I got a warning from PCGS moderators for expressing a negative opinion of the Confederacy and a positive one of The Union. And yet this petri dish of a thread festers away on the weekend.
I'm guessing this thread will be closed sometime tomorrow when the moderators come back to work.
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I'm still not participating in this thread. Nuff said.
Idk. It just didn't make sense. Could happen, I suppose. But why would you take 7 tests, especially when the first 6 were negative? People do crazy things, but it just doesn't ring true.
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Did you read the article? It didn’t state over what time period the tests were taken. But it did say “Fotieo, who is fully vaccinated and has received the booster, is an early childhood teacher in Chicago. She tests consistently since she works with an unvaccinated population.”
It rings truer to me than that this was a case of “pure sensationalism” or that someone would question why a passenger on a plane would be carrying an used test.😉
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I know a doc who recently thought he had COVID, had 3 negative nasal swab tests, an ER nurse suggested he swab his sore throat - Positive.
Seems like, in this window of time, the cancellations seem stable at MCO with JetBlue and southwest in the lead.
Yes, that makes sense. Weekends get kinda wild around here.
Even if it’s not closed we won’t know who was or wasn’t warned.
Lol. Idk. And she calls her school? She's on her way to Switzerland. Not to mention she puts the whole thing on social media. To me, it rings more of "pure sensationalism" (your term).
I also don't know what it has to do with FUN, coins, or anything else. So I guess I don't really need to care at all.
“Pure sensationalism” wasn’t my term. It was used by @vulcanize, whose post you quoted and then wrote “Agree” at the beginning of your reply.
You questioned her call to her school. I presume it was to try to get the word out to anyone who might have been exposed.
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DUH!!!!
It was her social media (tiktok video to be precise) that got picked up by mainstream media to be made into a feel good story.
https://www.wzzm13.com/article/news/airplane-quarantine-west-michigan-native-spends-4-hours-in-bathroom/69-55bb2601-e7dd-4c1c-99c3-c92543914189
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Previously, you wrote “ Should have administered it at home instead of all this drama.” That doesn’t sound like a reasonable criticism, considering all of the tests she’d taken and we don’t know whether one or more of them had already been taken at home. Oh and it’s “duh” or “Duh”, not “DUH”.😉
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Foteio said she had taken five of the rapid tests ** in the days before leaving** and they were all negative.
She never did it on the day of the flight and could have very well done it before embarking on the journey.
That was me "yelling" because of your selective choices
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Yes, she could have taken yet another test before embarking on her journey. But (“DUH”😉) she didn’t get a sore throat until she was on the flight and that was what caused her to test again.
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Which percisely brings us back a whole circle to "Pure sensationalism and wanting the five minutes in spotlight" because she SHOULD HAVE tested before leaving for the airport if she was so concerned, as the news articles paint her to have been.
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