@keets said:
reading this thread and the post above I come to one conclusion: Mother Nature is smarter than the Human Race and always seems to win in the end.
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That may explain away part of the flight cancellations!
But it doesn’t explain 4 million infected overall in Florida, and yesterday 46,923 new COVID-19 cases in Florida alone!
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I think that 4mil number is across all strains of Covid over the last two plus years
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@Byers said:
That may explain away part of the flight cancellations!
But it doesn’t explain 4 million infected overall in Florida, and yesterday 46,923 new COVID-19 cases in Florida alone!
How does this compare to New York which has a smaller total population?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
But yesterday 46,923 new COVID-19 cases in Florida alone!
For those of you still planning to attend the FUN show, be safe out there!
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NY estimated population 19.8 million. FL is 21.7 million.
NY State total infected estimated at 3.26 million. FL is 4 million.
NY new cases yesterday 35,830. FL is 46,923.
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For those of you who decide to skip the FUN show due to the number of infected, think about attending the PCGS January Las Vegas Coin Show. It’s small, intimate and relaxing!
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@jmlanzaf said:
It's not cases, it's hospitalizations. Cases will go up with Omicron, but they are generally mild.
It seems mild with 3 shots. Single J&J or unvaccinated still seems pretty serious.
The numbers exist. Cases are way up, hospitalizations are not.
First-hand reports exist too. Don't be a statistic (unless you want to be)!
Anecdotal evidence is grossly inferior to statistics. I'm not sure what you're point is. You will likely have 100,000 cases per day every winter for the rest of your life. You likely have 100,000 flu cases per day. If you only look at the case numbers you will never leave the house again.
@jmlanzaf said:
It's not cases, it's hospitalizations. Cases will go up with Omicron, but they are generally mild.
It seems mild with 3 shots. Single J&J or unvaccinated still seems pretty serious.
The numbers exist. Cases are way up, hospitalizations are not.
First-hand reports exist too. Don't be a statistic (unless you want to be)!
Anecdotal evidence is grossly inferior to statistics. I'm not sure what you're point is. You will likely have 100,000 cases per day every winter for the rest of your life. You likely have 100,000 flu cases per day. If you only look at the case numbers you will never leave the house again.
I like statistics. They are great when it's not you
@jmlanzaf said:
It's not cases, it's hospitalizations. Cases will go up with Omicron, but they are generally mild.
It seems mild with 3 shots. Single J&J or unvaccinated still seems pretty serious.
The numbers exist. Cases are way up, hospitalizations are not.
Hospitalizations are starting to tick up (see UK and San Francisco data), and, as expected, they are lagging the surge in case numbers. Most expert are _not _expecting a huge Covid hospitalization bump, but we will know more in 7-10 days. What is happening is that ERs and other acute medical facilities are clogging with Covid cases, which isn't great if you have appendicitis or an ankle fracture and need emergency services, to say nothing of an MI or stroke!
For those that have health conditions that put them at higher risk for needing acute medical care (cancer undergoing treatment, immunosuppresion, unstable cardiovascular disease, etc.), it might be worth checking in on ER and hospital capacities in the Orlando area immediately prior to your departure to help inform your travel decision.
@jmlanzaf said:
It's not cases, it's hospitalizations. Cases will go up with Omicron, but they are generally mild.
It seems mild with 3 shots. Single J&J or unvaccinated still seems pretty serious.
The numbers exist. Cases are way up, hospitalizations are not.
Hospitalizations are starting to tick up (see UK and San Francisco data), and, as expected, they are lagging the surge in case numbers. Most expert are _not _expecting a huge Covid hospitalization bump, but we will know more in 7-10 days. What is happening is that ERs and other acute medical facilities are clogging with Covid cases, which isn't great if you have appendicitis or an ankle fracture and need emergency services, to say nothing of an MI or stroke!
Hospitalizations are starting to rise in Florida too, but not deaths yet. 7-day average for hospitalizations is at 22% of cases now.
Heritage Auctions Platinum Night got moved from Florida FUN on Jan 7th, to Dallas, TX on Jan 14th!!!
Not looking promising for the FUN coin show.
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Let’s see if they update their live and let live protocols
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@jmlanzaf said:
It's not cases, it's hospitalizations. Cases will go up with Omicron, but they are generally mild.
It seems mild with 3 shots. Single J&J or unvaccinated still seems pretty serious.
The numbers exist. Cases are way up, hospitalizations are not.
First-hand reports exist too. Don't be a statistic (unless you want to be)!
Anecdotal evidence is grossly inferior to statistics. I'm not sure what you're point is. You will likely have 100,000 cases per day every winter for the rest of your life. You likely have 100,000 flu cases per day. If you only look at the case numbers you will never leave the house again.
I like statistics. They are great when it's not you
@jmlanzaf said:
It's not cases, it's hospitalizations. Cases will go up with Omicron, but they are generally mild.
It seems mild with 3 shots. Single J&J or unvaccinated still seems pretty serious.
The numbers exist. Cases are way up, hospitalizations are not.
First-hand reports exist too. Don't be a statistic (unless you want to be)!
Anecdotal evidence is grossly inferior to statistics. I'm not sure what you're point is. You will likely have 100,000 cases per day every winter for the rest of your life. You likely have 100,000 flu cases per day. If you only look at the case numbers you will never leave the house again.
I like statistics. They are great when it's not you
It may be too late for FUN to effectively update their protocols.
Did I mention the PCGS January Las Vegas coin show🤔😈
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I have issues with masking and Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law that are sure to get me shot banned.
The No Smoking policy is encouraging. Perhaps they are enforcing it with tasers.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
Anecdotal evidence is grossly inferior to statistics. I'm not sure what you're point is. You will likely have 100,000 cases per day every winter for the rest of your life. You likely have 100,000 flu cases per day. If you only look at the case numbers you will never leave the house again.
I like statistics. They are great when it's not you
Mostly this is severe now for the unvaxxed and those w/o boosters. Very rare hospital cases are coming in for the for the vaxxed/boosted. But the vaxxed/boosted can still spread it (not as much as the unvaxxed) to the unvaxxed which then have a 15 times greater chance of ending up in the hospital than those of us who are vaxxed/boosted. Leaving the house safely means getting the needle 3 times. Big events are superspreaders, unvaxxed beware. Hopefully everyone is vaxxed up for FUN if they can make it through all of the fights on the flights..........
Heritage Auctions Platinum Night got moved from Florida FUN on Jan 7th, to Dallas, TX on Jan 14th!!!
I just got an email from Ha about FUN saying that all live auctions will move to Dallas. But they are still going to have lot viewing at FUN thru Sat at noon.
My daughter is expecting to give birth to our first grandchild on or about January 5th so I cannot go to FUN. On top of it she just tested positive for Covid a few days ago. Of course, my wife and I are nervous.
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@oreville said:
My daughter is expecting to give birth to our first grandchild on or about January 5th so I cannot go to FUN. On top of it she just tested positive for Covid a few days ago. Of course, my wife and I are nervous.
Very sorry to hear this news. Wishing everyone the best possible outcome.
@savitale said:
I have a feeling this thread is going to poof so commenting may be pointless. But I just attended a fairly big conference in California, and I am going to another about the same time as FUN. There was no talk of the state or the venue forcing cancellation. I feel like there's no political will to go down that road again. Masks, probably. Vaccine requirement, maybe. Cancel, at this time I doubt it.
Airline flights are a wholly different matter. Hard to predict if a given flight crew will have a positive test or just decide to opt out that day.
Well, I might need to eat some crow. My conference in California scheduled for the first week of January was just canceled. Now this was a professional society meeting (a few thousand attendees) not a hobbyist trade show, so the situation is a bit different. My understanding is that less than 1/3 of the usual attendance was registered for the in-person event, and at that point the meeting becomes not viable for various reasons. That being said, FUN is a different beast and even if 1/3 of the dealers and 1/3 of the customers show up a trade show might still be not a disaster.
@oreville said:
My daughter is expecting to give birth to our first grandchild on or about January 5th so I cannot go to FUN. On top of it she just tested positive for Covid a few days ago. Of course, my wife and I are nervous.
Hope everything works out well and your daughter isn’t too miserable.
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Evolution will win! Even the Pope says so!
This is getting serious:
4 million cases???
Florida only has 20 million people!
Jon @ScarsdaleCoin’s prediction of everyone getting Covid may be coming true in Florida!
....> @keets said:
Yes but if the dealers would only be allowed to make the rules I'd see a glimmer of hope for the human race.
The entertainment can never be overdressed....except in burlesque
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That may explain away part of the flight cancellations!
But it doesn’t explain 4 million infected overall in Florida, and yesterday 46,923 new COVID-19 cases in Florida alone!
I think that 4mil number is across all strains of Covid over the last two plus years
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I am assuming it is a to-date number
here s Florida from JHU
How does this compare to New York which has a smaller total population?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Excellent point!
But yesterday 46,923 new COVID-19 cases in Florida alone!
For those of you still planning to attend the FUN show, be safe out there!
NYS from JHU
wikipedia estimate 20 mil NYS vs. 22 FL
NY estimated population 19.8 million. FL is 21.7 million.
NY State total infected estimated at 3.26 million. FL is 4 million.
NY new cases yesterday 35,830. FL is 46,923.
Great chart!
Scary😳
After reading this thread, one would think that bodies are littering the sides of the road in Florida.
I have been watching that chart for about a year and a half now. The DPM is the key figure.
My state of California seems to one doing better than others states, my guess is because of tighter covid policies.
You can watch spikes in cases after certain events like the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally. It is on the charts.
I was planning on getting a table at the next Long Beach Show, in February, but decided now is not the time.
I've got flight/hotel reservations for the Long Beach show as well. Still on the fence about going....
For those of you who decide to skip the FUN show due to the number of infected, think about attending the PCGS January Las Vegas Coin Show. It’s small, intimate and relaxing!
It's not cases, it's hospitalizations. Cases will go up with Omicron, but they are generally mild.
It seems mild with 3 shots. Single J&J or unvaccinated still seems pretty serious.
The numbers exist. Cases are way up, hospitalizations are not.
First-hand reports exist too. Don't be a statistic (unless you want to be)!
Anecdotal evidence is grossly inferior to statistics. I'm not sure what you're point is. You will likely have 100,000 cases per day every winter for the rest of your life. You likely have 100,000 flu cases per day. If you only look at the case numbers you will never leave the house again.
I like statistics. They are great when it's not you
Hospitalizations are starting to tick up (see UK and San Francisco data), and, as expected, they are lagging the surge in case numbers. Most expert are _not _expecting a huge Covid hospitalization bump, but we will know more in 7-10 days. What is happening is that ERs and other acute medical facilities are clogging with Covid cases, which isn't great if you have appendicitis or an ankle fracture and need emergency services, to say nothing of an MI or stroke!
For those that have health conditions that put them at higher risk for needing acute medical care (cancer undergoing treatment, immunosuppresion, unstable cardiovascular disease, etc.), it might be worth checking in on ER and hospital capacities in the Orlando area immediately prior to your departure to help inform your travel decision.
Hospitalizations are starting to rise in Florida too, but not deaths yet. 7-day average for hospitalizations is at 22% of cases now.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/florida
Breaking News!!
Heritage Auctions Platinum Night got moved from Florida FUN on Jan 7th, to Dallas, TX on Jan 14th!!!
Not looking promising for the FUN coin show.
Hmm, PCGS and now Heritage?
I'm guessing safer is better! Is it ignoring the statistics, or knowing how to read them?
Let’s see if they update their live and let live protocols
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Everyone can make their own risk assessment.
Exactly!
No one is telling PCGS and Heritage to stay away.
@Zoins said “ Hmm, PCGS and now Heritage?”
It may be too late for FUN to effectively update their protocols.
Did I mention the PCGS January Las Vegas coin show🤔😈
I have issues with masking and Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law that are sure to get me shot banned.
The No Smoking policy is encouraging. Perhaps they are enforcing it with tasers.
The Colonel's first sig-line was not "You can't handle the truth" but "It's not just a river in Egypt"
Mostly this is severe now for the unvaxxed and those w/o boosters. Very rare hospital cases are coming in for the for the vaxxed/boosted. But the vaxxed/boosted can still spread it (not as much as the unvaxxed) to the unvaxxed which then have a 15 times greater chance of ending up in the hospital than those of us who are vaxxed/boosted. Leaving the house safely means getting the needle 3 times. Big events are superspreaders, unvaxxed beware. Hopefully everyone is vaxxed up for FUN if they can make it through all of the fights on the flights..........
Best, SH
I just got an email from Ha about FUN saying that all live auctions will move to Dallas. But they are still going to have lot viewing at FUN thru Sat at noon.
Best, SH
the interesting part, is there is no press release on the HA site
the dates in upcoming auctions have already been moved.
I guess FW won't have to be disappointed in missing the live auction
My daughter is expecting to give birth to our first grandchild on or about January 5th so I cannot go to FUN. On top of it she just tested positive for Covid a few days ago. Of course, my wife and I are nervous.
Prayers for your daughter and grandchild Orville
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Very sorry to hear this news. Wishing everyone the best possible outcome.
Tim
Sending prayers to you and your families, Oreville.
Many good points and data in the posts so far. Thanks all for keeping it civil.
Well, I might need to eat some crow. My conference in California scheduled for the first week of January was just canceled. Now this was a professional society meeting (a few thousand attendees) not a hobbyist trade show, so the situation is a bit different. My understanding is that less than 1/3 of the usual attendance was registered for the in-person event, and at that point the meeting becomes not viable for various reasons. That being said, FUN is a different beast and even if 1/3 of the dealers and 1/3 of the customers show up a trade show might still be not a disaster.
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Hope everything works out well and your daughter isn’t too miserable.
My daughter has been fully vaccinated but no booster shot.
She thought she had a relatively mild flu but then tested positive for covid.
My Dad lost his Mom to the Spanish flu epidemic of 1918 in 1919 when my Dad was 1 years old.
Sorry to hear that @oreville. Best wishes for a healthy birth and new addition to the family!
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No, that’s a huge disaster!