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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,110 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2021 4:53PM

    @RYK said:
    Younger and healthier folks, as rare as hen's teeth at the FUN show :D

    They are at the Saddlebrook Tennis Academy in Tampa!

    https://www.saddlebrooktennis.com/

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    vulcanizevulcanize Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2021 7:19PM

    @Zoins said:
    The numbers may seem inflated when considering US flights as the following BBC article indicates the majority of cancelled flights are by Chinese airlines. Here's some additional information on yesterday from FlightAware:

    The majority of the flights cancelled on Monday are those by Chinese companies, according to FlightAware. They include China Eastern, which cancelled more than 420 flights, and Air China, with more than 190 cancellations.

    So for Monday on FlightAware we have the following, which still indicates a strong showing by US companies.

    • China Eastern: 420 flights cancelled
    • Delta: 200+ flights cancelled
    • Air China: 190 flights cancelled
    • United: 115 flights cancelled

    Ref: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-59798682

    Three days ago it was nearly 5000 flights cancelled

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/christmas-travel-chaos-omicron-weather-winter-storms-rcna9941

    Almost two weeks ago Indian Postal mail department suspends delivery to US over Omicron flight disruption

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/postal-department-suspends-delivery-to-us-over-omicron-flight-disruption/articleshow/88304703.cms

    There's more to it than meets the eye that makes one go hmmm!!!!!!.

    https://flightaware.com/miserymap/

    ;)

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,110 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2021 5:01PM

    @Dscoin said:
    Witter coin posted on Instagram today that they pulled out of attending FUN, wonder if more dealers are to follow?

    Unfortunate, but it makes sense.

    We should create a list of dealers attending and not attending so people can be up to date on who they will find.

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    well, I'd say just a list of cancellations

    and it'd be nice if FUN would make the list

    being careful with the rules here... despite local and convention center rules, should a scant few require vax and/or tests, it'd been wise to simply announce "despite local ... some dealers require ... it is advised to come with a vax card or proof of neg test."

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    vulcanizevulcanize Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RYK said:
    I did not intend to attend the FUN show, but I have a convention a few weeks later in Arizona. By then, the Omnicron surge may be on the downswing. I will assess the situation when the time draws closer.

    If I were considering attending FUN, my concerns would be more about logistics (possible flight cancellations, depletion of services on the ground, dealers cancelling) than it would be about health concerns, per se. From all that I have heard and read, including direct communications from ER docs, pulmonologists, and intensivists, the Omnicron strain is crowding out the Delta strain and is highly transmissible. The resulting illness is milder than Delta, especially in folks that are Vax x3. Fewer people are getting admitted with Covid and fewer are making it to the ICU (and beyond). Younger and healthier folks, as rare as hen's teeth at the FUN show :D , should be fine wearing a mask and taking reasonable precautions.

    If I were within driving distance, I would still be inclined to go to FUN, knowing that if the situation changes on the ground, I could leave at any time. I might also shorten my visit. I would skip the crowded restaurant and bar scene, as I currently do at home. I would not fly to FUN, primarily for logistical reasons and the concern of flight cancellations and getting stuck, than the concern of flying itself.

    Or having a loony co-passenger sitting next to you

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/sit-down-karen-woman-delta-flight-filmed-punching-elderly-man-briefly-removing-mask

    :mask::angry:

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    opportunityopportunity Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭✭

    It's a huge drag, but I've refocused my sights on the next Summer FUN. I heard the last Summer FUN was bombastic.
    I'm not rethinking next week because I'm so worried about Omicron, but because I'm afraid the show is going to end up being a flop. I'm still not 100% yet, but does anyone else share my concerns? Travel is expensive.

    Early American Copper, Bust and Seated.

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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2021 7:05PM

    @Zoins said:

    @Byers said:
    Dear PCGS Authorized Dealer,

    Due to concerns regarding the current state of the global pandemic, PCGS grading and operations staff will no longer be traveling to the event. However, we will still be accepting show grading submissions so that you may take advantage of quicker turnaround times. We will also be offering PCGS Authorized Dealers $10 off Show Express and Show service levels in addition to free return shipping on select service levels.

    Wow! That's a big blow.

    Looks like some heavy hitters are pulling out.

    Hmm, it's beginning to look like FUN is toast.

    Also, just heard from an ID doc friend at my old hospital. They have two previously healthy young people on ECMO for COVID, 28 and 30 years old (unvaxed, of course).

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    ScarsdaleCoinScarsdaleCoin Posts: 5,199 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I came down early to attend Palm Beach Coin Show and meet up with various clients. I must say I feel a heck of a lot safer in Florida the. I did in Ny. It’s warm you can be outside and while I believe Covid is real I also believe it’s going to be common like getting a cold. At some point I think everyone will get it and that sucks but it’s reality. I’m sure the show will go on with quite a few missing and think everyone just has to make their own decision. If you do come down please stop bye my table 403 and say hello. Fist bumps maybe but don’t ask to shake hands. Stay safe let’s all wish for a great 2022

    Jon Lerner - Scarsdale Coin - www.CoinHelp.com
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    vulcanizevulcanize Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RYK said:
    Also, just heard from an ID doc friend at my old hospital. They have two previously healthy young people on ECMO for COVID, 28 and 30 years old (unvaxed, of course).

    Yikes.

    My middle son had a home test kit show him to be positive for the virus and he is vaccinated. Went to get tested at the local emergency center and they don't do anymore testing apparently. Need to find another center and go tomorrow.

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    ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,689 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting developments, I have flights and hotel booked for the show but will pay attention to what is going on and decide something within the next few days.

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    CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mgarmy said:
    “ The below convention Covid information is valid as of 9:15 P.M. December 28, 2021
    NO is still the word of the day. There will be NO spacing of tables. NO mandatory masks. No capacity limits on the floor. NO examination of vaccination records. The dealers at their table can make the rules they want to enforce for doing business at their table. To our attendees you are free to decide if you want to mask.

    The final NO is from the Orange County Convention Center. They have stated there are NO restrictions on entering the Convention Center.”

    They seem nonchalant. Guess they should add NO PCGS reps and likely NO US Mint reps

    My understanding was that there would be PCGS representation for collecting submissions, but no onsite grading. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. That notwithstanding, I wouldn't be interested in attending the show given the prevailing conditions. Best wishes to all who do participate.

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    MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe you are correct. No on-site grading bit will have someone there to take your submissions

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    opportunityopportunity Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭✭

    @Mgarmy said:
    I believe you are correct. No on-site grading bit will have someone there to take your submissions

    They also said free return shipping to make up for not having on site grading... Which is smart.

    Early American Copper, Bust and Seated.

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,020 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinHoarder said:
    Right now, with the current situation, you couldn't pay me to get on an airplane, to go to FUN, or anywhere else.

    You should reconsider.
    One place offers discount flight tickets to many destinations
    pM me. I'll book it for ya .


    For $99

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    vulcanizevulcanize Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RYK said:

    @vulcanize said:

    @RYK said:
    Also, just heard from an ID doc friend at my old hospital. They have two previously healthy young people on ECMO for COVID, 28 and 30 years old (unvaxed, of course).

    Yikes.

    My middle son had a home test kit show him to be positive for the virus and he is vaccinated. Went to get tested at the local emergency center and they don't do anymore testing apparently. Need to find another center and go tomorrow.

    If he has mild symptoms and tests positive on the Abbot Binax test (or similar), there is no reason to have a second test to verify it. No need to clog up emergency rooms and urgent cares or use a limited test that someone else needs to use. Docs are actively discouraging people from seeking confirmatory testing.

    Thought it was prudent to get tested at a center because he is sceduled to fly back in ten days since the next semester will begin at the university.
    There is always the back up option of riding with me and have a father-son fourteen hour roadtrip instead of taking the flight (which he really wants to avoid and spend extra time with his mom instead).
    ;)

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 32,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @vulcanize said:

    @RYK said:

    @vulcanize said:

    @RYK said:
    Also, just heard from an ID doc friend at my old hospital. They have two previously healthy young people on ECMO for COVID, 28 and 30 years old (unvaxed, of course).

    Yikes.

    My middle son had a home test kit show him to be positive for the virus and he is vaccinated. Went to get tested at the local emergency center and they don't do anymore testing apparently. Need to find another center and go tomorrow.

    If he has mild symptoms and tests positive on the Abbot Binax test (or similar), there is no reason to have a second test to verify it. No need to clog up emergency rooms and urgent cares or use a limited test that someone else needs to use. Docs are actively discouraging people from seeking confirmatory testing.

    Thought it was prudent to get tested at a center because he is sceduled to fly back in ten days since the next semester will begin at the university.
    There is always the back up option of riding with me and have a father-son fourteen hour roadtrip instead of taking the flight (which he really wants to avoid and spend extra time with his mom instead).
    ;)

    You'd be better off waiting the week or more and go to get a negative test.

    My college is requiring a negative for returning students.

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,110 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @vulcanize said:
    There is always the back up option of riding with me and have a father-son fourteen hour roadtrip instead of taking the flight (which he really wants to avoid and spend extra time with his mom instead).

    Sounds like a college Spring Break road trip!

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,110 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ElmerFusterpuck said:
    "This is a policy of non-policy: "The dealers at their tables can make the rules..." Better, and more honest, to just say that we do not have a policy."

    Exactly. What's on the FUN page is the equivalent of having a no farting zone within a huge convention of farters. Totally useless.

    What if they said dealers at their tables are not allowed to make rules?

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,110 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2021 12:14PM

    @RYK said:
    It is laughable to think that Covid will not be spread in this setting.

    My guess is that people generally know it will be spreading, but that some are okay with it, like Jon mentioned above:

    @ScarsdaleCoin said:
    I believe Covid is real I also believe it’s going to be common like getting a cold. At some point I think everyone will get it and that sucks but it’s reality.

    Here’s a spreading map with data from 2 days ago:

    Ref: https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/omicron-variant-coronavirus-news-12-29-21/index.html

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    yspsalesyspsales Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My plans to cancel were more logistics than fear of the pandemic.

    I am always masked, vaxed to the max, and avoid crowds.

    That said, I have driven 600 Uber/Lyft rides over the past four months and frequently tested.

    Attended a show in Dalton a couple years ago.

    Flew instead of driving.

    Worst mistake of my life.

    Weather delays meant 13 hours going and 13 hours returning vs what would have been six hour drive.

    NOPE!

    Not gonna do it again!

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,110 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2021 12:30PM

    @Byers said:

    Oh no!

    I have to ask a most important question.

    How is @Lakesammman going to get these for 2022???

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    CoinHoarderCoinHoarder Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Glad to be fully vaccinated and boosted! I still avoid crowds, and mask in public, to protect others.

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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2021 12:35PM

    @Zoins said:
    !

    These are part of my "Covid Collection". Anyone else have a Covid Collection?

    Yes, but it is still super secret.

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    stevefromnestevefromne Posts: 131 ✭✭✭

    Same here CoinHoarder, all 3 Moderna shots. Was very concerned with the flight cancellations, but I'm seeing far fewer the last three days. Looking forward to the FUN Show.

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    MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have coins from almost all the major plagues in history. Mostly focused on yersinia pestis outbreaks. I will add a Covid coin to it though

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I posted a link showing flights into and out of MCO.

    Very, very few cancellations right now

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,110 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    I posted a link showing flights into and out of MCO.

    Very, very few cancellations right now

    Hmm, maybe PCGS will reconsider?

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Byers said:
    Dear PCGS Authorized Dealer,

    Due to concerns regarding the current state of the global pandemic, PCGS grading and operations staff will no longer be traveling to the event. However, we will still be accepting show grading submissions so that you may take advantage of quicker turnaround times. We will also be offering PCGS Authorized Dealers $10 off Show Express and Show service levels in addition to free return shipping on select service levels.

    That is too bad, but maybe they will be able to catch up some on current submission backlog

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    ByersByers Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    “Hmm, maybe PCGS will reconsider?”

    No cocktail party!

    mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,110 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2021 1:26PM

    @Byers said:
    @Zoins said:

    “Hmm, maybe PCGS will reconsider?”

    No cocktail party!

    No FUN for you!

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    ByersByers Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭✭✭

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