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Found some coins my mom left me: real or fake?

luckyrollersluckyrollers Posts: 530 ✭✭✭✭
edited October 1, 2021 12:23PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I'm more of a currency collector but I was looking through some things of my mom when she passed away a while ago. I totally forgot about these coins Are they real or fake? I think the gold ones are fake bc how can she get a hold of these coins?? Thanks in advance!!

1855 $3 gold front #1.

1855 $3 gold back #1.

1855 $3 gold front #2.

1855 $3 gold back #2.

2006 Liberty Walker

2006 Liberty Walker (back)

1888 Morgan (front)

1888 Morgan (back)

1881 Morgan S (front)

1881 Morgan S (back)

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  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do us (and yourself) a favor and edit your post to link the obverse & reverse together. Is there 1 $3 or 2 $3s

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  • MarkKelleyMarkKelley Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Everything looks legit to me.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks good! That $3 gold is nice.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice gold!

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,698 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the gold

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Welcome!

    Nice group of coins ... especially the $3 gold pieces. Best of luck to you!

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  • luckyrollersluckyrollers Posts: 530 ✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:
    Do us (and yourself) a favor and edit your post to link the obverse & reverse together. Is there 1 $3 or 2 $3s

    My bad. I fixed it for everyone. Thanks for letting me know.

  • luckyrollersluckyrollers Posts: 530 ✭✭✭✭

    Thank you so for your answers. Kind of shocked my mom would even have these.
    Should I get them graded?

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @luckyrollers said:
    Thank you so for your answers. Kind of shocked my mom would even have these.
    Should I get them graded?

    i would be pretty shocked if there weren't at least a couple members here that would want the $3. they are quite popular but HIGHLY counterfeited.

    do a transaction via paypal and have up to $10K protection per transaction, last i checked.

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coins can’t c any problems. Get the gold coins slabbed.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The $3's gold looks legit to me... definitely worth getting them slabbed. Very nice pieces...

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,722 ✭✭✭✭✭

    not liberty walker but silver eagle

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    not liberty walker but silver eagle

    ...the thumbs up variety... ;-)

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  • thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the three's could be a problem.
    Look at the pock before the numeral 3 on the reverse. The same pock (possibly raised),on both coins.
    On the obverse, look at the tick on the left bottom of the 'O' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins. How about whatever that is running along the top of the 'F' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins.

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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bummer about that big fingerprint. :smile:

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,345 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thebeav said:
    I think the three's could be a problem.
    Look at the pock before the numeral 3 on the reverse. The same pock (possibly raised),on both coins.
    On the obverse, look at the tick on the left bottom of the 'O' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins. How about whatever that is running along the top of the 'F' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins.

    Yeah. I don't trust the 3s. Of course, I often don't. Lol

  • luckyrollersluckyrollers Posts: 530 ✭✭✭✭

    @thebeav said:
    I think the three's could be a problem.
    Look at the pock before the numeral 3 on the reverse. The same pock (possibly raised),on both coins.
    On the obverse, look at the tick on the left bottom of the 'O' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins. How about whatever that is running along the top of the 'F' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins.

    So the best thing to do is to send it off to get graded right? If it's counterfeited then they will send it back, right?

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thebeav said:
    I think the three's could be a problem.
    Look at the pock before the numeral 3 on the reverse. The same pock (possibly raised),on both coins.
    On the obverse, look at the tick on the left bottom of the 'O' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins. How about whatever that is running along the top of the 'F' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins.

    The same marks on two different coins are definitely a red flag.

  • coinandcurrency242coinandcurrency242 Posts: 1,962 ✭✭✭✭

    I love the three dollar gold piece!

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  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinandcurrency242 said:
    I love the three dollar gold piece!

    There are two of them, make him an offer.

  • CrackoutCrackout Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thebeav said:
    I think the three's could be a problem.
    Look at the pock before the numeral 3 on the reverse. The same pock (possibly raised),on both coins.
    On the obverse, look at the tick on the left bottom of the 'O' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins. How about whatever that is running along the top of the 'F' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins.

    I'm also spotting the same mark on the reverse on both coins shown below:

  • luckyrollersluckyrollers Posts: 530 ✭✭✭✭

    @Crackout said:

    @thebeav said:
    I think the three's could be a problem.
    Look at the pock before the numeral 3 on the reverse. The same pock (possibly raised),on both coins.
    On the obverse, look at the tick on the left bottom of the 'O' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins. How about whatever that is running along the top of the 'F' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins.

    I'm also spotting the same mark on the reverse on both coins shown below:

    So it's fake then? Ok I got it.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crackout said:

    @thebeav said:
    I think the three's could be a problem.
    Look at the pock before the numeral 3 on the reverse. The same pock (possibly raised),on both coins.
    On the obverse, look at the tick on the left bottom of the 'O' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins. How about whatever that is running along the top of the 'F' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins.

    I'm also spotting the same mark on the reverse on both coins shown below:

    @Crackout said:

    @thebeav said:
    I think the three's could be a problem.
    Look at the pock before the numeral 3 on the reverse. The same pock (possibly raised),on both coins.
    On the obverse, look at the tick on the left bottom of the 'O' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins. How about whatever that is running along the top of the 'F' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins.

    I'm also spotting the same mark on the reverse on both coins shown below:

    Repeating defects such as this is a sure sign of fake coins made from the same set of false dies. They're probably made from real gold though.

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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,577 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2021 2:43PM

    Here's a crusty 53 beauty for comparison.


    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1855-3/images/7972

  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,579 ✭✭✭✭✭

    See if the gold coin sticks to a magnet. If it does, it isn't real gold.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think that the OP posted multiple pics of the same gold coin. Even the small scratches seem to match.

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  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    I think that the OP posted multiple pics of the same gold coin. Even the small scratches seem to match.

    Two different coins. One with a poor strike but same marks.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bolivarshagnasty said:

    @gumby1234 said:
    I think that the OP posted multiple pics of the same gold coin. Even the small scratches seem to match.

    Two different coins. One with a poor strike but same marks.

    If 2 different then definitely countrrfeit.

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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crackout said:

    @thebeav said:
    I think the three's could be a problem.
    Look at the pock before the numeral 3 on the reverse. The same pock (possibly raised),on both coins.
    On the obverse, look at the tick on the left bottom of the 'O' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins. How about whatever that is running along the top of the 'F' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins.

    I'm also spotting the same mark on the reverse on both coins shown below:

    Started thinking about what if the real die had this mark... but that would be a "die bump" rather than a die pit, so wouldn't happen, right?

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund also look at the marks on both sides of the 3. If these were die diagnostics then it would be well known to collectors by now.

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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    @moursund also look at the marks on both sides of the 3. If these were die diagnostics then it would be well known to collectors by now.

    That was my other thought... that die particularities would be well known, especially for rare coins.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2021 4:05PM

    @moursund its one thing that counterfeiters fail to do. Getting rid of marks that will show up on every coin they fake. No 2 genuine coins get the same marks and dings.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,028 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @luckyrollers said:

    @Crackout said:

    @thebeav said:
    I think the three's could be a problem.
    Look at the pock before the numeral 3 on the reverse. The same pock (possibly raised),on both coins.
    On the obverse, look at the tick on the left bottom of the 'O' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins. How about whatever that is running along the top of the 'F' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins.

    I'm also spotting the same mark on the reverse on both coins shown below:

    So it's fake then? Ok I got it.

    Do you have one $3 gold piece that you posted multiple pictures of or two different coins? If it’s just one coin, my guess is that it’s genuine.

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  • luckyrollersluckyrollers Posts: 530 ✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @luckyrollers said:

    @Crackout said:

    @thebeav said:
    I think the three's could be a problem.
    Look at the pock before the numeral 3 on the reverse. The same pock (possibly raised),on both coins.
    On the obverse, look at the tick on the left bottom of the 'O' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins. How about whatever that is running along the top of the 'F' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins.

    I'm also spotting the same mark on the reverse on both coins shown below:

    So it's fake then? Ok I got it.

    Do you have one $3 gold piece that you posted multiple pictures of or two different coins? If it’s just one coin, my guess is that it’s genuine.

    It is from two different ones. I guess it's fake or should I bring it to a coin dealer to check? Or just send it to grade and have them check it out?

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,091 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2021 5:09PM

    @MFeld said:

    @luckyrollers said:

    @Crackout said:

    @thebeav said:
    I think the three's could be a problem.
    Look at the pock before the numeral 3 on the reverse. The same pock (possibly raised),on both coins.
    On the obverse, look at the tick on the left bottom of the 'O' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins. How about whatever that is running along the top of the 'F' in 'OF'. Same thing on both coins.

    I'm also spotting the same mark on the reverse on both coins shown below:

    So it's fake then? Ok I got it.

    Do you have one $3 gold piece that you posted multiple pictures of or two different coins? If it’s just one coin, my guess is that it’s genuine.

    Two coins. Look at the strike in DOLLARS and 1855. I think they're good gold, but not real. Something a little too clunky looking, but maybe that's just the picture.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is confusing - picture wise it looks like 2 different coins but mark wise they have the same dings/dents in the exact same places obverse and reverse

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @luckyrollers If that is 2 different coins they are counterfeit, but may be made of gold. Bring them to a coin dealer and have them tested. Gold is worth money.
    @Steven59 they have the same marks because they are fake.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    [@Steven59 they have the same marks because they are fake.]

    Gotcha, thanks!

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,722 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don’t like the look of the silver eagle too

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,345 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    I don’t like the look of the silver eagle too

    Date is funny, but it could be the picture.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,722 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Silver eagle is fake

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    [ I don’t like the look of the silver eagle too]

    Oh yeah, now that you mention it the Sun's rays look off. Really a weight would start to narrow things down.

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  • luckyrollersluckyrollers Posts: 530 ✭✭✭✭

    @Steven59 said:

    @MsMorrisine said:
    [ I don’t like the look of the silver eagle too]

    Oh yeah, now that you mention it the Sun's rays look off. Really a weight would start to narrow things down.

    Wow, then I'm going to have to bring all of them to check.

    Thank you all for your expert advise!!

  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    Silver eagle is fake

    Didn't know people went to the bother of faking ASEs. Isn't that a ~$50 coin?

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,722 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Less than 50

    Everything is faked

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  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unfortunately, I have to agree with what other posters have said.

    Pretty sure the 3's are fakes, from the same die. The reverse number and lettering and overall mushiness are tells to me ... as are the identical marks in at least a few places (near O in OF, indent next to 3, indent on lower right of wreath).

    The ASE looks okay, I think.

    The Morgan's both look real.


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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The gold coins appear to be fake.... Best to have them all checked - fake ASE's and Morgans from China are flooding the market. Cheers, RickO

  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Compare the date of the coin posted by Goldbully to the date of the OP’s coins.
    The OP coins date appear much thicker.
    Not a good sign.

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  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I first thought that the gold coins were real but after reading the experts comments here, I believe them to be fake.
    Another learning experience for me.
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