the 200,000 product limit is for single packaged coins only. the coin itself has no limit and can be packaged in dozens of different sets if the mint desires
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"Product Limit": applies to a particular item number (e.g., 21EMN). It is supposed to be the maximum number of units the Mint will sell of that specific 'item number/packaging option'.
The Mint can, and does, offer the same 'coin/medal' in different packaging. For example, the 2021 T1 ASE Proof-W coin was offered individually (21EA), in a 40-count tray (21EA040), and as part of the "Congratulations Set" (21RF).
"Mintage Limit": applies to a specific 'coin/medal' (e.g., 2021 T2 ASE Proof-S). It is supposed to be the maximum number of units the Mint will sell across all packaging options.
After numerous mornings of playing the 5 second rerouting sham and the captcha game right at 6:30 am CDT, I finally got one. It has been sitting in my bag for about 2 weeks.
My bag has been emptied in time for the 2 coin ASE reverse proof fiasco. Then I’ll probably get to play the same morning game all over again.
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Backorder for a quick minute practicing for the 9th. I can get it to the cart but by number 2 or 3 on check out questions it’s crying about invalid item in cart. Then it disappears from cart on product page but it’s still there on the my order page. 🤓🙀
This Mint link provides a "cumulative total of net sales demand reported from the launch of each product through the report date". It is 'organized/searchable' by item #.
For example, here is the current output for 21EMN:
Note - there is additional information available on the production & sales figures webpage (e.g., bullion 'sales/mintage').
No one can pre-year calculate what total mintage ASEs will have.
You can look at the very changeable schedule and last year’s sales and try to estimate on your own.
However, I would not have guessed the number of products this year. But that is just one bit. They minted fewer S ASE than the W ASE. Maybe that’s from historical sales. I’m a bit surprised by it. They are all Proof ASE, though.
If you can estimate them, post it here. It’ll likely be the first time seen.
@MsMorrisine said:
trying to get 3 more, but when it hits "Backorder" the thing does not add to cart.
simple?? it's out of stock that fast? not really.
I go to an item that is in stock and the "Add To Cart" button does not work.
does anyone have experience with this?
Fairly certain that it means the available quantity is less than what you are trying to add to your cart. I didnt see how many were available this morning to confirm.
@92vette said:
Still have my orders for these listed as backordered. My W ASEs still backordered since late July also.
I believe those will ship Oct 15 and early November or was it? Later for sure 😂
Was it really October? I was banking on type 2 W shipping in Sept. so we will have Morgans/Eagles shipping all at the same time. I see no issues with that!
@Flips said:
Only saw 5 today guys. Good practice though! We are going to need it!
How do you check to see how many are available any given morning?
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How do I checkout faster and avoid the browser check?
Start refreshing at 7:30 and 10-15 seconds. It never hits exactly at 7:30. Might give you a few attempts before the check browser
I tried many different strategies. It’s all luck of the draw. Good luck!
Luck of the draw to get an order and then luck of the draw to see if the mint wants to fulfill your order or cancel for no reason. I snagged 99 last week and have my cc pinged/order email but there is no payment method in the order and it is still processing so that tells me that it will probably be canceled.
So this morning I was “practicing “ for the up and coming releases. I carted one but was denied somewhere during check out. After I was back to the product list I noticed a new “feature “ next to my cart. ( which shows 1 lately they disappear after denial at check out). Never seen this before. A summary of the cart with price Thoughts anyone?
By the time these backordered ones ship, the demand will be much lower. By trickling out enrollments and vendor sales early it creates an artificial shortage, like the CC dollar presale.
Great if you have extras in hand to sell now, but with the limited edition proof set adding to the available coins in a couple months, the current eBay S mint proof prices just shouldn't last.
I plan to get just one 70 for my set in a month or two. I lost interest in the 4:30AM game for something that won't ship until November.
Well we have been officially screwed by the Mint. We had these on enrollment and still have no order number, no notification and no coins. On my latest call to them, they said it's because our enrollment number was higher than the order limit and I should have lowered it before release... contradicting what another mint employee told me when I called before the release, which was "anyone enrolled for more than 3 will just get 3". Argh. Oh well, it's not like 3 was going to do me a lot of good anyway. I'll just wait until the aftermarket prices drop and score a few.
the correct information is there was once a max enrollment of 100.
all enrollments over 25 were later reduced to 25.
much later on, a HHL of 3 was introduced ... but not on subscriptions ... those stayed at 25. The HHL of 3 applied to first day of release orders.
this is the first I have heard of a subscription not generating an order.
I hate to bear the bad news, but those 1-800# don't have the power to fix what is another software bug. If you don't have an order in the orders page, then you are out.
@MsMorrisine said:
the correct information is there was once a max enrollment of 100.
all enrollments over 25 were later reduced to 25.
much later on, a HHL of 3 was introduced ... but not on subscriptions ... those stayed at 25. The HHL of 3 applied to first day of release orders.
this is the first I have heard of a subscription not generating an order.
I hate to bear the bad news, but those 1-800# don't have the power to fix what is another software bug. If you don't have an order in the orders page, then you are out.
Yes I'm aware of how it's SUPPOSED to work... our enrollment was 25. That's why I didn't bother sitting at my computer on order day because I knew I'd get either 25 or 3 depending on the Mint's latest whim. Instead, I got 0.
yeah i sympathize. don't let me give you the impression I don't
for software bugs, I don't trust the e-mail given on this forum and I don't trust the 1-800#
I'm tellin ya... write Mint HQ, give your details, and if you have old sub orders generated from the S-mint sub, give them a few of those to bolster the "you screwed up this time" argument.
Saw this offer and said “sounds fair to me 😂”. Oh cool it’s a pre-order.
Wouldn’t want you selling something you might have in stock. Just getting used to buying hot air and promises from the mint.
I am in no way slamming Rick or his company. I respect his books and research he has done. I have had several great purchases from him
Just to clarify, no one expected the on sale to immediately go to BACKORDER status. Even so, back ordered coins usually ship earlier than expected. However it’s been 2 months and we still don’t know when the mint is going to ship these out. Plus, since 90% of the coins have shipped out already, it doesn’t make sense to keep orders for the remaining 10%. Usually coin buyers need the coins graded within 30 days to get a “first strike” designation and we are way past that date now. Also notice how the uncirculated coins have shipped before these coins shipped, so that also didn’t make any sense.
With all that said, the coins do still go for ~$130 on Ebay as of this post, so you can sell it there if you want. Pinehurst is also taking them at $90 per coin.
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I picked up 4 this morning.
the 200,000 product limit is for single packaged coins only. the coin itself has no limit and can be packaged in dozens of different sets if the mint desires
Are the 40 coin trays considered sets?
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"Product Limit": applies to a particular item number (e.g., 21EMN). It is supposed to be the maximum number of units the Mint will sell of that specific 'item number/packaging option'.
The Mint can, and does, offer the same 'coin/medal' in different packaging. For example, the 2021 T1 ASE Proof-W coin was offered individually (21EA), in a 40-count tray (21EA040), and as part of the "Congratulations Set" (21RF).
"Mintage Limit": applies to a specific 'coin/medal' (e.g., 2021 T2 ASE Proof-S). It is supposed to be the maximum number of units the Mint will sell across all packaging options.
Σ"Product Limits" = "Mintage Limit"
I got 5 via the enrollment program. I've received all of them and have sold 3 and I'm keeping 2. Love the no bot hazzle.
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After numerous mornings of playing the 5 second rerouting sham and the captcha game right at 6:30 am CDT, I finally got one. It has been sitting in my bag for about 2 weeks.
My bag has been emptied in time for the 2 coin ASE reverse proof fiasco. Then I’ll probably get to play the same morning game all over again.
no.
yes.
Can you clarify the question?
The number of sales listed are of 40 coin trays, so multiply the number sold by 40.
They are not also included under the individual coin numbers,
25,800 additional from 40 coin tray. Thanks JM. My question was if they were separate. 198,392+ 25,800= 224,392 to date Thanks 🤓🙀
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This is as far as I ever get.
Backorder for a quick minute practicing for the 9th. I can get it to the cart but by number 2 or 3 on check out questions it’s crying about invalid item in cart. Then it disappears from cart on product page but it’s still there on the my order page. 🤓🙀
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Only saw 5 today guys. Good practice though! We are going to need it!
Thanks, this is the best explanation so far. Also, is there any place/blog that predicate/estimate the total mintage per coin?
Crystal ball.com. Just kidding 😂🙀.
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I use the Cumulative Sales Figures for numismatic products.
This Mint link provides a "cumulative total of net sales demand reported from the launch of each product through the report date". It is 'organized/searchable' by item #.
For example, here is the current output for 21EMN:
Note - there is additional information available on the production & sales figures webpage (e.g., bullion 'sales/mintage').
I assume “predicate” should be “predict”
No one can pre-year calculate what total mintage ASEs will have.
You can look at the very changeable schedule and last year’s sales and try to estimate on your own.
However, I would not have guessed the number of products this year. But that is just one bit. They minted fewer S ASE than the W ASE. Maybe that’s from historical sales. I’m a bit surprised by it. They are all Proof ASE, though.
If you can estimate them, post it here. It’ll likely be the first time seen.
trying to get 3 more, but when it hits "Backorder" the thing does not add to cart.
simple?? it's out of stock that fast? not really.
I go to an item that is in stock and the "Add To Cart" button does not work.
does anyone have experience with this?
Change browsers
Fairly certain that it means the available quantity is less than what you are trying to add to your cart. I didnt see how many were available this morning to confirm.
Happens in that browser too
And to be clear
The button doesn’t work for in stock items either
For several times, I tried to checkout the coins already in my cart, when I clicked FINAL REVIEW the website started to "check your browser...".
And since "some initial legal hurdles to overcome in blocking scripted activity", it is going to be hard if you do not use bot.
Still have my orders for these listed as backordered. My W ASEs still backordered since late July also.
I believe those will ship Oct 15 and early November or was it? Later for sure 😂
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Was it really October? I was banking on type 2 W shipping in Sept. so we will have Morgans/Eagles shipping all at the same time. I see no issues with that!
Someone PM me
I have 3 in the cart for $219.
How do I checkout faster and avoid the browser check?
How do you check to see how many are available any given morning?
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I have 99 in the bag and when you refresh from your cart it will show the available amount.
Start refreshing at 7:30 and 10-15 seconds. It never hits exactly at 7:30. Might give you a few attempts before the check browser
I tried many different strategies. It’s all luck of the draw. Good luck!
Luck of the draw to get an order and then luck of the draw to see if the mint wants to fulfill your order or cancel for no reason. I snagged 99 last week and have my cc pinged/order email but there is no payment method in the order and it is still processing so that tells me that it will probably be canceled.
So this morning I was “practicing “ for the up and coming releases. I carted one but was denied somewhere during check out. After I was back to the product list I noticed a new “feature “ next to my cart. ( which shows 1 lately they disappear after denial at check out). Never seen this before. A summary of the cart with price Thoughts anyone?
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
By the time these backordered ones ship, the demand will be much lower. By trickling out enrollments and vendor sales early it creates an artificial shortage, like the CC dollar presale.
Great if you have extras in hand to sell now, but with the limited edition proof set adding to the available coins in a couple months, the current eBay S mint proof prices just shouldn't last.
I plan to get just one 70 for my set in a month or two. I lost interest in the 4:30AM game for something that won't ship until November.
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https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/medals-tokens/national-commemorative-medals-united-states-mint-1940-present/alltimeset/195526
Well we have been officially screwed by the Mint. We had these on enrollment and still have no order number, no notification and no coins. On my latest call to them, they said it's because our enrollment number was higher than the order limit and I should have lowered it before release... contradicting what another mint employee told me when I called before the release, which was "anyone enrolled for more than 3 will just get 3". Argh. Oh well, it's not like 3 was going to do me a lot of good anyway. I'll just wait until the aftermarket prices drop and score a few.
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the correct information is there was once a max enrollment of 100.
all enrollments over 25 were later reduced to 25.
much later on, a HHL of 3 was introduced ... but not on subscriptions ... those stayed at 25. The HHL of 3 applied to first day of release orders.
this is the first I have heard of a subscription not generating an order.
I hate to bear the bad news, but those 1-800# don't have the power to fix what is another software bug. If you don't have an order in the orders page, then you are out.
Yes I'm aware of how it's SUPPOSED to work... our enrollment was 25. That's why I didn't bother sitting at my computer on order day because I knew I'd get either 25 or 3 depending on the Mint's latest whim. Instead, I got 0.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
yeah i sympathize. don't let me give you the impression I don't
for software bugs, I don't trust the e-mail given on this forum and I don't trust the 1-800#
I'm tellin ya... write Mint HQ, give your details, and if you have old sub orders generated from the S-mint sub, give them a few of those to bolster the "you screwed up this time" argument.
Hope we can empty the Cart before Monday.
No flip on the S but 21EAN was up for a solid 3 mins today. Picked up 99
99 of the type2W ? Why?
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Not really sure to be honest. 😂
Good morning. I am not judging just curious. It does give you options 😉
Update. These are going into the limited edition sets. There goes another 50,000
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Saw this offer and said “sounds fair to me 😂”. Oh cool it’s a pre-order.
Wouldn’t want you selling something you might have in stock. Just getting used to buying hot air and promises from the mint.
I am in no way slamming Rick or his company. I respect his books and research he has done. I have had several great purchases from him
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
+2 this AM
was able to get a couple today -- my first time in a while that I scored something in the morning...
I hadn't noticed, but the first strike cut-off has come and gone
+1 today - was up for at least a couple of minutes.
and when does that happened 4:30 pst?
An online Blogger I follow just sent out the following e-mail to his followers/flippers:
Reference: ---> https://milesperday.com/2021/10/please-cancel-any-backordered-eagle-s-21emn-mint-coins-from-8-12/
It appears that there may be a few coins becoming available (albeit backordered) over the next few days!
Enjoy!
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What a professional. A deal is a deal!
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