@RMLTM79
It'll probably show "backorder" for everyone who were able to placed an order since USMint is not shipping those coin 'till late October (who knows maybe earlier). Both my order from May 24th and this morning shows "backorder". Anyone else can confirm this?
My CC from 5-24 sez backorder. Order placed 1st day first 5 minutes. Shows $85 for 1 and no figures entered in the final check out boxes. Credit card pinged but not charged. G
@Knell said: @RMLTM79
It'll probably show "backorder" for everyone who were able to placed an order since USMint is not shipping those coin 'till late October (who knows maybe earlier). Both my order from May 24th and this morning shows "backorder". Anyone else can confirm this?
My order from this morning shows the status as "processing", however, that could be because I had an available coin in the order as well as the Morgan's.
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@Knell said: @RMLTM79
It'll probably show "backorder" for everyone who were able to placed an order since USMint is not shipping those coin 'till late October (who knows maybe earlier). Both my order from May 24th and this morning shows "backorder". Anyone else can confirm this?
My shipping order at this time for my D and S Morgans shows, PROCESSING. Not backorder. Email received almost immediately after order at 12:23 PM. Credit card pinged.
@Knell said: @RMLTM79
It'll probably show "backorder" for everyone who were able to placed an order since USMint is not shipping those coin 'till late October (who knows maybe earlier). Both my order from May 24th and this morning shows "backorder". Anyone else can confirm this?
My shipping order at this time for my D and S Morgans shows, PROCESSING. Not backorder. Email received almost immediately after order at 12:23 PM. Credit card pinged.
Unless there numbers are different..why would any of them be more valuable than the rest of the 2021’s. Unless there was a strike issue or something. The original Cc’s were of course harder to obtain ie. Limited numbers survived…here not the case
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@Mgarmy said:
Unless there numbers are different..why would any of them be more valuable than the rest of the 2021’s. Unless there was a strike issue or something. The original Cc’s were of course harder to obtain ie. Limited numbers survived…here not the case
I am with you when they first charged my card the hold went through fine and was there for days.
Separately I had a dealer take 2+ months to process an online order, since it took so long they contacted me and said after 30 days the CC info wont process and the card had to be entered again. How is the mint processing all these order after several months? This could end up being a huge nightmare for the mint.
@blu62vette said:
What are people doing if you credit card got hacked between May and now so you have a new CC? Is the order screwed? I called the mint and they said it will get cancelled. I know I read somewhere they were able to fix it but that was a while ago.
Well, I'm screwed because the credit card I used to order the CC and O Morgan dollars was hacked last week. I called the mint in the hopes that they could alter the order but they said that they cannot do that. The customer support representative then told me that what will happen is that when the charge fails to clear, the mint will notify me through e-mail that the order has failed. Supposedly, I'll have 48 hours to call the mint and clear up the situation before the order is cancelled.
I don't have a good feeling about being given any opportunity at all to fix up the order. This is pretty infuriating. I don't understand why the mint had to sell the coins months before they were able to start shipping. Even worse is the inability to alter the method of payment for a standing orde
With any "set" of limited edition items there always seems to be one more valuable than the others. Right now it appears to be the CC for those foolish enough to buy them from a seller who doesn't even have them yet.🙄
It remains to be seen which of the 6 Morgans will be become the highest priced flip. We will know for sure in October/November and definitely by Christmas!🎅🤶
@mbogoman said:
I've been checking and refreshing since 4:30 PDT. nothing popped us as available...
Why do this? In October, you will have your choice of S or D issues for about $10-$15 over Mint issue price delivered.
In fact we may see sales below issue price when the main wave hits eBay.
The CC, O and the Peace issue will be the only ones to hold increased value long term.
IMHO.
Are you guaranteeing these prices?
Sounds like someone is trying to talk down half the issue and talk up the other half.
The dynamics have already been illustrated but you seen to be ignoring them. The first issues had a HHL of 10 while the second issues were 3. Once the supply gets spread across the collecting world the situation with supply and demand will likely even out.
I'll go a step further and make a wild prediction: the D and S coins will be MORE valuable. Why? Because orders for CC and O probably went disproportionately to resellers who maxed out their HHL, while the D andi S were more likely to be bought by people who want to keep them. So, there will be fewer D/S coins on the secondary market.
@mbogoman said:
I've been checking and refreshing since 4:30 PDT. nothing popped us as available...
Why do this? In October, you will have your choice of S or D issues for about $10-$15 over Mint issue price delivered.
In fact we may see sales below issue price when the main wave hits eBay.
The CC, O and the Peace issue will be the only ones to hold increased value long term.
IMHO.
Are you guaranteeing these prices?
Sounds like someone is trying to talk down half the issue and talk up the other half.
The dynamics have already been illustrated but you seen to be ignoring them. The first issues had a HHL of 10 while the second issues were 3. Once the supply gets spread across the collecting world the situation with supply and demand will likely even out.
I'll go a step further and make a wild prediction: the D and S coins will be MORE valuable. Why? Because orders for CC and O probably went disproportionately to resellers who maxed out their HHL, while the D andi S were more likely to be bought by people who want to keep them. So, there will be fewer D/S coins on the secondary market.
But don't quote me on that.
I will quote you on that, I think that is correct.
Also add in the privy mintmarks are hideous and there were no CC or O '21 Morgans.
I was thinking the same thing the privy mark makes it different than traditional morgans. That difference could make it more valuable or less
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@Mgarmy said:
I was thinking the same thing the privy mark makes it different than traditional morgans. That difference could make it more valuable or less
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@mbogoman said:
I've been checking and refreshing since 4:30 PDT. nothing popped us as available...
Why do this? In October, you will have your choice of S or D issues for about $10-$15 over Mint issue price delivered.
In fact we may see sales below issue price when the main wave hits eBay.
The CC, O and the Peace issue will be the only ones to hold increased value long term.
IMHO.
Are you guaranteeing these prices?
Sounds like someone is trying to talk down half the issue and talk up the other half.
The dynamics have already been illustrated but you seen to be ignoring them. The first issues had a HHL of 10 while the second issues were 3. Once the supply gets spread across the collecting world the situation with supply and demand will likely even out.
I'll go a step further and make a wild prediction: the D and S coins will be MORE valuable. Why? Because orders for CC and O probably went disproportionately to resellers who maxed out their HHL, while the D andi S were more likely to be bought by people who want to keep them. So, there will be fewer D/S coins on the secondary market.
But don't quote me on that.
I'm not sure there's that big a difference in the number of excess coins out there. How many people here bought just one D and one S? Seems like most everyone bought 3, probably to flip (or trade) 2 of them. And there seem to be just as many pre-sale offers on eBay albeit at a lower price.
The CC because of the romance the higher price of CC’s in general. The peace dollar is a horse of a different color but there not being D mm except for 21 or no CC or O. People won’t care. Note that $300-400+ for presale CC and the others half that or a little more My humble opinion of course 🤓
My intent wasn't to talk down "half the issue". I didn't purchase any of the Morgans (tried and failed for CC and O..but only to flip) and I am only commenting on the flipping/profit potential. Once the HHL was lowered on the S and D, I determined that the flip potential was gone for those 2. The ease of ordering S and D cemented their flipping fate
I still think the Peace has legs and will end up in the $140-$175 range long term. All non CC and O Morgans will be plentiful at $95-$105 long term.
@carew4me said:
My intent wasn't to talk down "half the issue". I didn't purchase any of the Morgans (tried and failed for CC and O..but only to flip) and I am only commenting on the flipping/profit potential. Once the HHL was lowered on the S and D, I determined that the flip potential was gone for those 2. The ease of ordering S and D cemented their flipping fate
I still think the Peace has legs and will end up in the $140-$175 range long term. All none CC and O Morgans will be plentiful at $95-$105 long term.
@mbogoman said:
I've been checking and refreshing since 4:30 PDT. nothing popped us as available...
Why do this? In October, you will have your choice of S or D issues for about $10-$15 over Mint issue price delivered.
In fact we may see sales below issue price when the main wave hits eBay.
The CC, O and the Peace issue will be the only ones to hold increased value long term.
IMHO.
Are you guaranteeing these prices?
Sounds like someone is trying to talk down half the issue and talk up the other half.
The dynamics have already been illustrated but you seen to be ignoring them. The first issues had a HHL of 10 while the second issues were 3. Once the supply gets spread across the collecting world the situation with supply and demand will likely even out.
I'll go a step further and make a wild prediction: the D and S coins will be MORE valuable. Why? Because orders for CC and O probably went disproportionately to resellers who maxed out their HHL, while the D andi S were more likely to be bought by people who want to keep them. So, there will be fewer D/S coins on the secondary market.
But don't quote me on that.
I will quote you on that, I think that is correct.
Also add in the privy mintmarks are hideous and there were no CC or O '21 Morgans.
I think I am already correct.
Pre-Sales for S and D are already le$$ than half CC or O.
And that is right out of the gate so only down hill. Wait until October flood (lots o people bought 3)
If your a collector...who cares...if your a flipper....beware.
@blu62vette said:
How is the mint processing all these order after several months? This could end up being a huge nightmare for the mint.
The mint is, in all likelihood, storing the credit card information in their computer systems and making a real charge when they ship the coins. I don't know if they save the cardholder verification number or not (they really shouldn't). I do wonder how secure the mint's systems are. I can count on one hand the number of companies I allow to store my credit card information and I almost never buy things outside of a fairly small group of merchants, many of whom require chip-and-PIN to complete the transactions. Some vendor's information security is not up to snuff and that is what caused my card to get compromised. It would be quite the irony if the U.S. Mint were the culprit.
FYI: Since I received the below confirmation this morning, the order status went from PENDING to BACKORDER
Dear xxxx:
Your order placed on 08/04/21 has been confirmed. Please retain this summary for your records. Thank you for shopping with the United States Mint!
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I plan to offer all of mine as a group to the highest bidding dealer. If no takers that I like, I'll send 'em all in for grading. Should be fun either way.
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@DelawareDoons said:
I plan to offer all of mine as a group to the highest bidding dealer. If no takers that I like, I'll send 'em all in for grading. Should be fun either way.
Careful. You know how much some people hate flippers.
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They don’t ship until mid October your cc was pinged but they can’t charge until shipping begins 🤓
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
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Thinking about taking you up on the 7:30am fishing. Gonna need it to prepare for Thursday's gold 2 coin tenth ounce set fiasco
Backorder is when the're out of stock and have to make more to fill the orders. Your order will be shipped they just don't know when, at this point.
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Ah yes I seem to remember that being the case October shipping is ordered and backorder is later. My bad 😁
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Thats true in a perfect world, however it is the Mint we're talking about
@RMLTM79
It'll probably show "backorder" for everyone who were able to placed an order since USMint is not shipping those coin 'till late October (who knows maybe earlier). Both my order from May 24th and this morning shows "backorder". Anyone else can confirm this?
My CC from 5-24 sez backorder. Order placed 1st day first 5 minutes. Shows $85 for 1 and no figures entered in the final check out boxes. Credit card pinged but not charged. G
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
My order from this morning shows the status as "processing", however, that could be because I had an available coin in the order as well as the Morgan's.
My shipping order at this time for my D and S Morgans shows, PROCESSING. Not backorder. Email received almost immediately after order at 12:23 PM. Credit card pinged.
It will energizing flip to backorder
Just received my last Mint E-mail confirmation at 7am this morning ...lol
Nothing available on Mint Website this AM.
Still waiting on mine.
Just had a “prove you are human” this morning!
I've been checking and refreshing since 4:30 PDT. nothing popped us as available...
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
Why do this? In October, you will have your choice of S or D issues for about $10-$15 over Mint issue price delivered.
In fact we may see sales below issue price when the main wave hits eBay.
The CC, O and the Peace issue will be the only ones to hold increased value long term.
IMHO.
Loves me some shiny!
And if I think you're wrong and want to sell them for $25 over issue price in October, why would I not invest some time?
Not to mention that the last time I checked, @jmlanzaf was buying them now for over issue price.
Unless there numbers are different..why would any of them be more valuable than the rest of the 2021’s. Unless there was a strike issue or something. The original Cc’s were of course harder to obtain ie. Limited numbers survived…here not the case
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Demand, not supply
I am with you when they first charged my card the hold went through fine and was there for days.
Separately I had a dealer take 2+ months to process an online order, since it took so long they contacted me and said after 30 days the CC info wont process and the card had to be entered again. How is the mint processing all these order after several months? This could end up being a huge nightmare for the mint.
With any "set" of limited edition items there always seems to be one more valuable than the others. Right now it appears to be the CC for those foolish enough to buy them from a seller who doesn't even have them yet.🙄
It remains to be seen which of the 6 Morgans will be become the highest priced flip. We will know for sure in October/November and definitely by Christmas!🎅🤶
Until then no one knows for sure.😎
Are you guaranteeing these prices?
Sounds like someone is trying to talk down half the issue and talk up the other half.
The dynamics have already been illustrated but you seen to be ignoring them. The first issues had a HHL of 10 while the second issues were 3. Once the supply gets spread across the collecting world the situation with supply and demand will likely even out.
I'll go a step further and make a wild prediction: the D and S coins will be MORE valuable. Why? Because orders for CC and O probably went disproportionately to resellers who maxed out their HHL, while the D andi S were more likely to be bought by people who want to keep them. So, there will be fewer D/S coins on the secondary market.
But don't quote me on that.
I will quote you on that, I think that is correct.
Also add in the privy mintmarks are hideous and there were no CC or O '21 Morgans.
I was thinking the same thing the privy mark makes it different than traditional morgans. That difference could make it more valuable or less
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LOL. Way to cover your bases!
I am from the government I am here to help😃
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I'm not sure there's that big a difference in the number of excess coins out there. How many people here bought just one D and one S? Seems like most everyone bought 3, probably to flip (or trade) 2 of them. And there seem to be just as many pre-sale offers on eBay albeit at a lower price.
The CC because of the romance the higher price of CC’s in general. The peace dollar is a horse of a different color but there not being D mm except for 21 or no CC or O. People won’t care. Note that $300-400+ for presale CC and the others half that or a little more My humble opinion of course 🤓
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
HHL is off.
My intent wasn't to talk down "half the issue". I didn't purchase any of the Morgans (tried and failed for CC and O..but only to flip) and I am only commenting on the flipping/profit potential. Once the HHL was lowered on the S and D, I determined that the flip potential was gone for those 2. The ease of ordering S and D cemented their flipping fate
I still think the Peace has legs and will end up in the $140-$175 range long term. All non CC and O Morgans will be plentiful at $95-$105 long term.
Loves me some shiny!
"long term" is different than "short term"
No one does a long term flip.
I agree. I am not sure > @fathom said:
I think I am already correct.
Pre-Sales for S and D are already le$$ than half CC or O.
And that is right out of the gate so only down hill. Wait until October flood (lots o people bought 3)
If your a collector...who cares...if your a flipper....beware.
Loves me some shiny!
The mint is, in all likelihood, storing the credit card information in their computer systems and making a real charge when they ship the coins. I don't know if they save the cardholder verification number or not (they really shouldn't). I do wonder how secure the mint's systems are. I can count on one hand the number of companies I allow to store my credit card information and I almost never buy things outside of a fairly small group of merchants, many of whom require chip-and-PIN to complete the transactions. Some vendor's information security is not up to snuff and that is what caused my card to get compromised. It would be quite the irony if the U.S. Mint were the culprit.
All these price discussions...just like all the predicted computer chaos...are a complete unknown at the moment.
Only time will tell.
For one thing...are these a single year special...or part of a multiyear series? Do we know for sure?
And if multiyear, what will those mintages be?
Just too many variables right now.
I'm just pleased that I'll own multiple MS70s of two extremely popular classic coins...which would not have been possible until now.
Awesome.
1,290 listings
I don't like them either. They remind me of bullion rounds.
I don't know why the mint didn't just add a CC or O, unless there is some statutory prohibition, but I doubt there is.
FYI: Since I received the below confirmation this morning, the order status went from PENDING to BACKORDER
Dear xxxx:
Your order placed on 08/04/21 has been confirmed. Please retain this summary for your records. Thank you for shopping with the United States Mint!
Me too
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Just got my reminder email from the mint that the S and D Morgans go on sale at noon.
Only 24 hours after they were sold out.
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eBay makes a lot more than the Mint does on these popular issues.
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Eh, I'm not so sure about that. The mint is selling an ounce of silver for $85. That's pretty good.
for the CC, the flippers are winning
the us mint employees make bank though, they have other fixed costs also, at certain times they do run in the red
Are you still at $150/ea
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No. I think I bought enough, if everyone comes through.
That is only part of their cost.
I plan to offer all of mine as a group to the highest bidding dealer. If no takers that I like, I'll send 'em all in for grading. Should be fun either way.
Professional Numismatist. "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Careful. You know how much some people hate flippers.