As always, thank you for the virtual fountain of information. I do have this named Redfield holder and here is a non-gold foil Global holder but I don’t see Patent Pending anywhere on the slab:
Not sure if I posted this before on CU but regardless, here is a DCGS holder...this is another of the unusual and creative holders; notice that it has a stand built in so that one can display it (although storing it is tough...it doesn't quite fit in any "box"). Another fun fact: DCGS started doing an edge view (as seen in the third photo) before NGC or PCGS.
@braddick said:
It is getting increasingly more difficult to locate Ike dollar in no-line fatty NGC slabs.
amazing toning, I wonder if it was like that when slabbed or if the NGC slab helped. I wonder if that is an old Teletrade sticker? It is a shame their computer sales history disappeared with their upgrade and transfer to Stacks Bowers.
Apologies in advance for the screen grabs but I won't receive the coins until Monday. Ben (The Coin Geek) recently posted a video of three Lee Numismatics flips on YouTube. These flips are from the 1980's and the coins were confirmed by John Albanese to be sourced from him, hence the JA on each flip. I thought this was cool provenance so I purchased all three. The coins were in Kointain holders inside the flips:
Is anyone familiar with Lee Numismatics? There is very little information on the internet about them other than they were a very reputable dealer back in the day.
Tired of the critiques after posting, so this is offered w/o comment.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
It wasn't a computer. They never really made the computer grading work and the coins were manually graded.
The grading of the time was very technical ... read the ANA standards. That's why a computer was believed to be feasible: identify all the marks, apply a factor based on the location of each mark, sum it all up and compute the grade.
The patent shows a Peace dollar obverse broken up into nearly 100 segments, each of which would have had a unique factor. A 1mm ding right in front of her nose - in the field for everyone to see - would have a larger impact than a 1mm ding in the hair behind the ear.
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Baylor8670 - I think it is, but they say ownership is worth a point .......
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
@pointfivezero said:
Apologies in advance for the screen grabs but I won't receive the coins until Monday. Ben (The Coin Geek) recently posted a video of three Lee Numismatics flips on YouTube. These flips are from the 1980's and the coins were confirmed by John Albanese to be sourced from him, hence the JA on each flip. I thought this was cool provenance so I purchased all three. The coins were in Kointain holders inside the flips:
Is anyone familiar with Lee Numismatics? There is very little information on the internet about them other than they were a very reputable dealer back in the day.
NGC created this holder for museum collections that could protect the coins, but allow easy opening for examination of the coins, if needed. 1st used, I believe, for the US National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
Baddoggs - the obverse looks a little rough - where has it been stored all these years??
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
Don't have anything vintage to offer, but saw these in Athens, Greece last week.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
I found an ANICS PhotoCert (the yellow one that says "This is not an ANACS coin") Onza at OKC Coin Club/ONA this morning. I'll have to drop a pix later. It's the first nonUS I've seen.
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
I posted pictures of these earlier in the thread but I now have them in hand (thanks to the Coin Geek). These are both new "holders" in my collection. Anyone else seen these in the wild?
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
Baddoggs - the obverse looks a little rough - where has it been stored all these years??
@Lakesammman It's been in a Intercept Shield 20 slab box, in a what I consider to be a safe environment.
Took the photo the day I posted to this thread and I thought the same thing.
I got it at the luncheon.
I'm thinking that's how it was when it got slabbed, with some sort of crud.
Fourteen years later boom, a real stinker. The reverse doesn't have the same look.
Here's another PCGS luncheon slab from 2010, stored in the same box.
Just took the pics ...
Thank you PCGS for the Forums! ANA # 3150931 - Successful BST with: Bah1513, ckeusa, coin22lover, coinsarefun, DCW, guitarwes, SLQ, Sunshine Rare Coin, tmot99, Tdec1000, dmarks, Flatwoods, Wondercoin, Yorkshireman Sugar magnolia blossoms blooming, heads all empty and I don't care ...
That's a scarce style - was watching it with interest!
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
Posting the slab here for fun - more details in the Compugrade thread ......
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
Haven't seen very many mint state PCGS grading set coins. This is only the 2nd MS65 Buff that I know of! If you have others that are MS, please post!!!
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
WATS = Wide-Area Telephony System. At first, it was an outbound flat-rate calling program.
In-WATS (where a customer could call you) began in 1967. A California-based In-WATS service was not reachable from California! "Advanced 800 Service" dates to the early 80s.
In the 70s you often saw adverts listing two numbers, perhaps an intrastate CA number and an Interstate number. A company could set up two call centers, each serving half the country (the call cost was based on distance with the USA divided into six bands).
You could also set up a single call center with two lines terminating in adjacent states and then use very expensive Bell services to port the calls across the state line. Schemes like that allowed you to offer free calls to all of your customers.
I'm guessing late 70s because the terms WATS and knowing to call the Los Angeles number from California would be commonplace, but the expectation of a toll-free in-state call wasn't established.
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Thanks for the links and as always, the history lesson. I was born when Eisenhower was just starting his second term so I remember some the telephone system lingo. Interesting stuff.
This flip is a brand new addition to the collection:
Glad this one didn't sell for my minimum last weekend - plan to hang on to it - rare! Lincoln Memorial cent, 1996, in a much later holder.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
I don't think I've seen this one before. T. J. Holt Company slab. It has dot matrix printing, no bar code, and no serial number. The hard plastic slab is as rigid as can be, with no flex at all. The slab itself is pristine too. A curiosity purchase I like.
Bottom row, 3rd from the left of @pointfivezero's picture looks similar, but mine does not have a serial number.
If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.
@JeffersonFrog said:
I don't think I've seen this one before. T. J. Holt Company slab. It has dot matrix printing, no bar code, and no serial number.
....and no grade.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@JeffersonFrog said:
I don't think I've seen this one before. T. J. Holt Company slab. It has dot matrix printing, no bar code, and no serial number. The hard plastic slab is as rigid as can be, with no flex at all. The slab itself is pristine too. A curiosity purchase I like.
Bottom row, 3rd from the left of @pointfivezero's picture looks similar, but mine does not have a serial number.
That's the same physical slab that WMP (FPG) used. It was probably a service sold to dealers vs. a real TPG.
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Thanks Burton! Interesting partnership. Lawrence Goldberg was the dealer with these sets at the show. The sets he had were very pricey but he will search for a common date set for me. If I get my hands on one, I will post better pictures here.
I bought this recently at a local coin shop.
The coins are fairly common and the price was a little above what they might sell for individually.
But the vintage holder is neat and the coins are nice:
I never had a $20 Saint encapsulated in a PCGS 1.1 white label slab before. I have had a couple of other coins slabbed in a PCGS 1.0 and 1.1 slab, But I never even saw a Saint in such a holder before. How many of these exist?
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As always, thank you for the virtual fountain of information. I do have this named Redfield holder and here is a non-gold foil Global holder but I don’t see Patent Pending anywhere on the slab:
Tim
It is getting increasingly more difficult to locate Ike dollar in no-line fatty NGC slabs.
peacockcoins
Not sure if I posted this before on CU but regardless, here is a DCGS holder...this is another of the unusual and creative holders; notice that it has a stand built in so that one can display it (although storing it is tough...it doesn't quite fit in any "box"). Another fun fact: DCGS started doing an edge view (as seen in the third photo) before NGC or PCGS.
I posted extensively on DCGS here: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/the-holder-premium-thread.308429/page-69#post-3123075 even if it is ATS.
If you go back a page you will see that Denis has posted this before :-)
Between the two, we have two different production labels and two different websites.
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amazing toning, I wonder if it was like that when slabbed or if the NGC slab helped. I wonder if that is an old Teletrade sticker? It is a shame their computer sales history disappeared with their upgrade and transfer to Stacks Bowers.
Apologies in advance for the screen grabs but I won't receive the coins until Monday. Ben (The Coin Geek) recently posted a video of three Lee Numismatics flips on YouTube. These flips are from the 1980's and the coins were confirmed by John Albanese to be sourced from him, hence the JA on each flip. I thought this was cool provenance so I purchased all three. The coins were in Kointain holders inside the flips:
Is anyone familiar with Lee Numismatics? There is very little information on the internet about them other than they were a very reputable dealer back in the day.
Here is the link to Ben's YouTube video:
I'll post more pictures when I have them in hand.
Tim
Tired of the critiques after posting, so this is offered w/o comment.
Here are my Globale types.
*
Is it just me or did Compugrade seriously undergrade your Saint?
You think a computer made a mistake? 😝
It wasn't a computer. They never really made the computer grading work and the coins were manually graded.
The grading of the time was very technical ... read the ANA standards. That's why a computer was believed to be feasible: identify all the marks, apply a factor based on the location of each mark, sum it all up and compute the grade.
The patent shows a Peace dollar obverse broken up into nearly 100 segments, each of which would have had a unique factor. A 1mm ding right in front of her nose - in the field for everyone to see - would have a larger impact than a 1mm ding in the hair behind the ear.
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Baylor8670 - I think it is, but they say ownership is worth a point .......
Nice pick ups. I love Ben's videos. Does anyone else know of other channels like his that are focused primarily on coin grading?
Thanks for the post, @KiwiNumi. The flips arrived today and I’m very happy with them:
As for educational coin videos, I follow Ben, Daniel at CoinHelpU, Silicon Valley Coin and Acousha Collectibles for the most part.
Tim
NGC created this holder for museum collections that could protect the coins, but allow easy opening for examination of the coins, if needed. 1st used, I believe, for the US National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian.
PCGS Luncheon January 11, 2008 limited edition of 150.
Sugar magnolia blossoms blooming, heads all empty and I don't care ...
Baddoggs - the obverse looks a little rough - where has it been stored all these years??
I can't prove this was an AUTHORIZED cross-over...
The ACG photoslab could just have taken an ICCS coin and encapsulated the parts. Certainly the ICCS insert including the ACG cert# is intriguing.
It's also the only ACG I have from their time in Canada calling themselves ACGBC.
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FYI - two relatively ordinary Compugrade Morgans were posted on fleaBay for $995 BIN... if they sell, that would be a significant jump in price.
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Don't have anything vintage to offer, but saw these in Athens, Greece last week.
Let me try to fill the void, Tim. I picked this up from the Coin Geek this week (his photo):
Tim
……and just added the Mexican coin on the bottom:
Tim
I found an ANICS PhotoCert (the yellow one that says "This is not an ANACS coin") Onza at OKC Coin Club/ONA this morning. I'll have to drop a pix later. It's the first nonUS I've seen.
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I posted pictures of these earlier in the thread but I now have them in hand (thanks to the Coin Geek). These are both new "holders" in my collection. Anyone else seen these in the wild?
Tim
Well, new to me - congrats!
^^^^ > @Lakesammman said:
@Lakesammman It's been in a Intercept Shield 20 slab box, in a what I consider to be a safe environment.
Took the photo the day I posted to this thread and I thought the same thing.
I got it at the luncheon.
I'm thinking that's how it was when it got slabbed, with some sort of crud.
Fourteen years later boom, a real stinker. The reverse doesn't have the same look.
Here's another PCGS luncheon slab from 2010, stored in the same box.
Just took the pics ...
Sugar magnolia blossoms blooming, heads all empty and I don't care ...
Here's a sample slab from the neighbor across the street.
From the 2011 Collectors Society Registry Member Luncheon.
2007-P $1 George Washington
Sugar magnolia blossoms blooming, heads all empty and I don't care ...
I almost got one of these rare Gen 4.2 Sample Slabs
Someone else wanted it more than I did...realized $306.01on ebay.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore, Nickpatton, Namvet69,...
That's a scarce style - was watching it with interest!
Yep,but $300 feels crazy, I left the bidding at $82.
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11 cent
Looks like this one started the 4th line early and repeated itself.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore, Nickpatton, Namvet69,...
Posting the slab here for fun - more details in the Compugrade thread ......
Haven't seen very many mint state PCGS grading set coins. This is only the 2nd MS65 Buff that I know of! If you have others that are MS, please post!!!
Happy Friday all - picked this up yesterday. Anybody seen these flips before?
Thanks,
Tim
Tim: Interesting - doesn't even look sealed, just has a piece of tape over the gap.
I would guess late 70s.
Bowers and Ruddy Galeries started in 1974 - https://stacksbowers.com/did-you-know-50-years-ago-bowers-and-ruddy-presented-their-first-public-auction/
WATS = Wide-Area Telephony System. At first, it was an outbound flat-rate calling program.
In-WATS (where a customer could call you) began in 1967. A California-based In-WATS service was not reachable from California! "Advanced 800 Service" dates to the early 80s.
There is a Wikipedia article that summarizes a little bit of the complexity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Area_Telephone_Service
In the 70s you often saw adverts listing two numbers, perhaps an intrastate CA number and an Interstate number. A company could set up two call centers, each serving half the country (the call cost was based on distance with the USA divided into six bands).
You could also set up a single call center with two lines terminating in adjacent states and then use very expensive Bell services to port the calls across the state line. Schemes like that allowed you to offer free calls to all of your customers.
I'm guessing late 70s because the terms WATS and knowing to call the Los Angeles number from California would be commonplace, but the expectation of a toll-free in-state call wasn't established.
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Hi Burton,
Thanks for the links and as always, the history lesson. I was born when Eisenhower was just starting his second term so I remember some the telephone system lingo. Interesting stuff.
This flip is a brand new addition to the collection:
Tim
Glad this one didn't sell for my minimum last weekend - plan to hang on to it - rare! Lincoln Memorial cent, 1996, in a much later holder.
I don't think I've seen this one before. T. J. Holt Company slab. It has dot matrix printing, no bar code, and no serial number. The hard plastic slab is as rigid as can be, with no flex at all. The slab itself is pristine too. A curiosity purchase I like.
Bottom row, 3rd from the left of @pointfivezero's picture looks similar, but mine does not have a serial number.
If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.
Tommy
....and no grade.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Here is a 1974 Bowers & Ruddy auction flip that I picked up last year.
That's the same physical slab that WMP (FPG) used. It was probably a service sold to dealers vs. a real TPG.
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Spotted at the Reno coin show over the weekend:
Tim
Tim, I believe the partnership is still active, although it doesn't get a lot of press...
https://www.osv.expert/index.aspx
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Thanks Burton! Interesting partnership. Lawrence Goldberg was the dealer with these sets at the show. The sets he had were very pricey but he will search for a common date set for me. If I get my hands on one, I will post better pictures here.
Tim
I bought this recently at a local coin shop.
The coins are fairly common and the price was a little above what they might sell for individually.
But the vintage holder is neat and the coins are nice:
For those that missed this. 1st gen. ANA hard case from around 1989/1990.
A new find.
I never had a $20 Saint encapsulated in a PCGS 1.1 white label slab before. I have had a couple of other coins slabbed in a PCGS 1.0 and 1.1 slab, But I never even saw a Saint in such a holder before. How many of these exist?
It verifies in the database: https://www.pcgs.com/cert/1082297
If you were bored, you could poke, but it only tells you what was ONCE UPON A TIME certified. 1082293 - 1082300 were all 1924 MS63 Saints.
1082289, 1082291 and 1082301 don't verify.
1082290 was a 1926 in MS62.
1082288 was a 1925 in MS63.
So that's at least 10
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All 10 still exist or were cracked out in prior years?
By the way, @jfriedm56 1927 Saint in ANA slab is very pretty and I happen to enjoy owning a couple of them as well.
But i have to stop buying these Saints as I just realized I have way too many 1908 1924 1927 and 1928 Saints!