@Kliao said:
Just picked this up, sample 1.3. My first rattler sample
That slab looks like it's in pristine condition and if you paid the stickered price, you did very well.
Tim
Yeah, slab is in great condition. The printing is bright black compared to the other rattler that I have. Seems like they were running low on ink for the AM of sample which is interesting. Looking at ebay comps, $5 looks to have been a very good deal for it.
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Dot matrix printing was always fun. When you first started for the day, the part of the ribbon that had been exposed to the air was always almost dried out. It would rehydrate when it fed back into the cartridge and rubbed against other parts of the ribbon.
New ribbons could be too dark so you changed the adjustment and then spent weeks chasing it via adjustments until finally, you could no longer convince yourself it was visible.
Depending on the printer, changing the ribbon ranged from trivial snap-in cartridges to it's 1:35 pm, I don't have enough time to change this before 5 pm rolls around.
Basically, most shops had ONE person who was skilled in the dark arts and did ribbon changes. If Bob took a week off, you made do.
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
I recently bought a collection of stuff that had these samples in it. I don't know (yet) if any of these have much of a premium.
The top row, of course, has the wide hologram and the bottom row has the taller hologram.
The upper left coin (without divider) is also a mechanical error - the label does not indicate a D mint mark, but it is a D coin.
314661- is a well-known sample, Schwager# NGC-050-4-8.
Kiefer states that this and other 1964 Kennedys were dealer samples. NGC gave these away in large numbers, reusing the 314661 submission number repeatedly. The eBay records show 52 sales of 314661-001 through 314661-050, with some serials appearing two or three times. One serial 001 sample with a 1969-D coin sold for $202.50.
We haven't previously recorded the no-line fatty, so I'm going to steal your image for the 3rd edition of the book.
640322- is also known, NGC-050-4-11
640313- was not previously known, I've assigned it NGC-050-4-20
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
@BStrauss3 said:
314661- is a well-known sample, Schwager# NGC-050-4-8.
Kiefer states that this and other 1964 Kennedys were dealer samples. NGC gave these away in large numbers, reusing the 314661 submission number repeatedly. The eBay records show 52 sales of 314661-001 through 314661-050, with some serials appearing two or three times. One serial 001 sample with a 1969-D coin sold for $202.50.
We haven't previously recorded the no-line fatty, so I'm going to steal your image for the 3rd edition of the book.
640322- is also known, NGC-050-4-11
640313- was not previously known, I've assigned it NGC-050-4-20
Excellent info, thanks. I used my flat-bed scanner to get a quick group shot.
Let me know if you need better (individual) photos of the 314661 (no line) and/or 640313 .
Well, the NGC black 5 coin proof set is $100K with a little over an hour to go......
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
The recent sale of the "hand cut" doily caught me by surprise! Seller advertised it as "the 1804 dollar of samples".
Same seller is offering the Pearson "sample", ending later today. If it was tied to promoting PCGS, I'd be more interested and consider it a true sample. If you feel differently, let me know why.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
Based on decisions I've made for "tangentially related", the Pearson slab would not be cataloged today. However I also put a Stare Decisis rule in place and am keeping it in the 3rd edition of the book.
@Lakesammman said:
The recent sale of the "hand cut" doily caught me by surprise! Seller advertised it as "the 1804 dollar of samples".
Same seller is offering the Pearson "sample", ending later today. If it was tied to promoting PCGS, I'd be more interested and consider it a true sample. If you feel differently, let me know why.
I was the collector that first reported the existence of the hand cut doilies with no white bar and pleaded with Lakesamman not to sell off his discovery lot of these ultra rare sample slabs.
You needed to plead harder, 'cause I don't recall that .....
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
This is one of the tougher rattler samples to find - went for strong money!
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
This is the 1st CAC Inaugural slab #1 I've seen offered. Investors were given 10, I believe, numbered 1-10. I suspect most have hung onto #1. I picked it up in LB this week at a table.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
@Lakesammman said:
Thanks for the posts - fun to see!
This is the 1st CAC Inaugural slab #1 I've seen offered. Investors were given 10, I believe, numbered 1-10. I suspect most have hung onto #1. I picked it up in LB this week at a table.
CACG said that was just an internal and non significant digit.
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
It does seem like an astonishing amount of money has come into the market, recently, and is chasing the recognized rarities.
It seems like the same thing is happening in the general coin market.
And both are seeing the same results: Sellers are asking Moon money for lesser objects which are /a/ not selling and /b/ pricing ordinary collectors out of the market.
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
This style is offered VERY infrequently - 1st WA that I've seen. The last 2 different states in my thread were 2016 and 2021 - offered by Nates on Ebay currently.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
PCGS-025-4-28 - Alaska, Arizona, and Hawaii 50SQ PCGS-025-4-37 - Colorado, Idaho, Montana, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota (2 examples known), Utah, Washington, and Wyoming 50SQ PCGS-025-4-38 - Nebraska, Nevada 50SQ PCGS-025-4-39 - Hawaii 50SQ
A collector recognized the scarcity of this state and paid $150 in its only eBay appearance. The grading services made very few state quarter samples in the 2005 - 2009 period. ANACS, ICG, and NGC gave few samples to the general public in those years and PCGS mostly used nickels. The serial number is 1234567 instead of the usual 12345678.
Of course, showing the fickle nature of pricing in a small market, the second known Alaska example was purchased from a dealer/ANA representative selling off her personal collection for $5 (discounted from the listed $6 because the buyer was purchasing the whole lot). And a third came from the personal collection of Cameron Kiefer.
Hawaii is rare in samples, as in 2007 services started using the Presidential dollar coins, see the Fort Meyers coin club ICG-025-3-1 and 2 of the 12 known 5-ounce Silver pucks ANACS-Ag5-3-1.
Based on discoveries late in the cycle, four Schwager numbers (one from the 1st edition and three created for the 3rd edition) were adjusted to represent four different classes of samples instead of individual states. It takes a careful eye to tell them apart. All use correct PCGS coin numbers - 140xx and 390xx are correct coin numbers for clad 50SQs but bogus certificate numbers.
This one is .00/1234567 with "PCGS Sample" (space no dash). Known states now include Alaska, Arizona, and Hawaii.
.00/1234567 with "PCGS-Sample" is PCGS-025-4-37. Known states are Colorado, Idaho, Montana, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota (2 examples known), Utah, Washington, and Wyoming.
.00/12345678 with "PCGS- Sample" or "PCGS - Sample" (we may yet break this up later based on discoveries) are PCGS-025-4-38. Known states are Nebraska and Nevada.
.00/71041540 with "PCGS-Sample" is PCGS-025-4-39. Known states are California, Kansas, Oregon, and West Virginia.
(Tim I had a bit of an advantage having bought both collections - here is a photo of these all stacked up in their piles :-)
And for anyone keeping score, we've kept the 1-off and misspellings (Loiusiana) as they were.
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Polyethylene is food grade and thus inert. I've seen a few still packaged like this (I own one, a Mercury Dime IIRC) and they do not seem to have had any problems, even 38 years later.
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
OK - can post this here now that the auction is over. Definitely rare plastic!
Very cool sample, all (obviously) w/o the coin. Inserts vary in size, maybe 10 made?? I've seen very few offered or posted!
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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The one I have does not even have the chip - hold it up to a light
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I'll have to dig it out and try, but what are the two of you saying? Do you think it is a counterfeit slab?
Philippians 4:4-7
Not hardly. Just that they didn't bother to put a 10c chip into the slab with a bogus cert#.
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No, just for curiosities sake.
Type collector, mainly into Seated. Young Numismatist. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON
@BStrauss3
@Ownerofawheatiehorde
You are both correct there is no chip. The barcode does scan, but it comes up as a 2007-W $10 Gold Eagle.
Philippians 4:4-7
It was not a guess. An invitation to repeat and experiment I had already performed. That's the essence of the scientific method - repeat to reconfirm.
As opposed to the board norm of extrapolating from a single point with direction chosen by wishing.
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Just picked this up, sample 1.3. My first rattler sample
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That slab looks like it's in pristine condition and if you paid the stickered price, you did very well.
Tim
Yeah, slab is in great condition. The printing is bright black compared to the other rattler that I have. Seems like they were running low on ink for the AM of sample which is interesting. Looking at ebay comps, $5 looks to have been a very good deal for it.
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Dot matrix printing was always fun. When you first started for the day, the part of the ribbon that had been exposed to the air was always almost dried out. It would rehydrate when it fed back into the cartridge and rubbed against other parts of the ribbon.
New ribbons could be too dark so you changed the adjustment and then spent weeks chasing it via adjustments until finally, you could no longer convince yourself it was visible.
Depending on the printer, changing the ribbon ranged from trivial snap-in cartridges to it's 1:35 pm, I don't have enough time to change this before 5 pm rolls around.
Basically, most shops had ONE person who was skilled in the dark arts and did ribbon changes. If Bob took a week off, you made do.
ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
I recently bought a collection of stuff that had these samples in it. I don't know (yet) if any of these have much of a premium.
The top row, of course, has the wide hologram and the bottom row has the taller hologram.
The upper left coin (without divider) is also a mechanical error - the label does not indicate a D mint mark, but it is a D coin.
314661- is a well-known sample, Schwager# NGC-050-4-8.
Kiefer states that this and other 1964 Kennedys were dealer samples. NGC gave these away in large numbers, reusing the 314661 submission number repeatedly. The eBay records show 52 sales of 314661-001 through 314661-050, with some serials appearing two or three times. One serial 001 sample with a 1969-D coin sold for $202.50.We haven't previously recorded the no-line fatty, so I'm going to steal your image for the 3rd edition of the book.
640322- is also known, NGC-050-4-11
640313- was not previously known, I've assigned it NGC-050-4-20
ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Excellent info, thanks. I used my flat-bed scanner to get a quick group shot.
Let me know if you need better (individual) photos of the 314661 (no line) and/or 640313 .
Cool thread.
My latest addition. I've been on a PCI Signature Series kick here lately.
Philippians 4:4-7
I think that one is hand-signed - not pixelated and the crossings are doubled ink.
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Well, the NGC black 5 coin proof set is $100K with a little over an hour to go......
Well, $112,500 with buyer's premium (discounted to $110,000 if you pay by check).
ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
The recent sale of the "hand cut" doily caught me by surprise! Seller advertised it as "the 1804 dollar of samples".
Same seller is offering the Pearson "sample", ending later today. If it was tied to promoting PCGS, I'd be more interested and consider it a true sample. If you feel differently, let me know why.
Based on decisions I've made for "tangentially related", the Pearson slab would not be cataloged today. However I also put a Stare Decisis rule in place and am keeping it in the 3rd edition of the book.
https://sampleslabs.info/whitepapers.html
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I was the collector that first reported the existence of the hand cut doilies with no white bar and pleaded with Lakesamman not to sell off his discovery lot of these ultra rare sample slabs.
You needed to plead harder, 'cause I don't recall that .....
This is one of the tougher rattler samples to find - went for strong money!
Happy it didn’t sell for $.59 more.
Tim
Just found these 4 sample slabs that a dealer gave me, back in the mid 90’s. I’m sure they are common, but a fun novelty to have anyway.
Thanks for the posts - fun to see!
This is the 1st CAC Inaugural slab #1 I've seen offered. Investors were given 10, I believe, numbered 1-10. I suspect most have hung onto #1. I picked it up in LB this week at a table.
CACG said that was just an internal and non significant digit.
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Maybe insignificant to you!
Break the pattern of the cert#s and I'll be impressed. I think there is a check digit since +1 -1 don't verify.
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Well, at least the shipping is reasonable!
Yep. Reported. Best case idjit copied a listing. Worst case is idjit created a deliberately misleading listing.
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The cloth that coin is sitting on is definitely not a doily.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
Of course not, it's an antimacassar!
https://pieceworkmagazine.com/push-pull-doily/#:~:text=(The antimacassar, now considered a,advice about their proper use.
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Highest graded Doily in the census.
Will certainly be interesting to see what kind of money it brings. I’m a watcher.
Tim
$2,302 plus $17.10 shipping for the doily Franklin!
Was that more than expected?
How much of that is for the doily slab?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
It does seem like an astonishing amount of money has come into the market, recently, and is chasing the recognized rarities.
It seems like the same thing is happening in the general coin market.
And both are seeing the same results: Sellers are asking Moon money for lesser objects which are /a/ not selling and /b/ pricing ordinary collectors out of the market.
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10x the PCGS value of the coin? Certainly was shocking to me. Congrats to the seller, whomever it may be.
I'm also watching this one on Heritage, already over $2K with the juice but it is a $1K coin and has a gold bean:
Tim
This style is offered VERY infrequently - 1st WA that I've seen. The last 2 different states in my thread were 2016 and 2021 - offered by Nates on Ebay currently.
PCGS-025-4-28 - Alaska, Arizona, and Hawaii 50SQ
PCGS-025-4-37 - Colorado, Idaho, Montana, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota (2 examples known), Utah, Washington, and Wyoming 50SQ
PCGS-025-4-38 - Nebraska, Nevada 50SQ
PCGS-025-4-39 - Hawaii 50SQ
A collector recognized the scarcity of this state and paid $150 in its only eBay appearance. The grading services made very few state quarter samples in the 2005 - 2009 period. ANACS, ICG, and NGC gave few samples to the general public in those years and PCGS mostly used nickels. The serial number is 1234567 instead of the usual 12345678.
Of course, showing the fickle nature of pricing in a small market, the second known Alaska example was purchased from a dealer/ANA representative selling off her personal collection for $5 (discounted from the listed $6 because the buyer was purchasing the whole lot). And a third came from the personal collection of Cameron Kiefer.
Hawaii is rare in samples, as in 2007 services started using the Presidential dollar coins, see the Fort Meyers coin club ICG-025-3-1 and 2 of the 12 known 5-ounce Silver pucks ANACS-Ag5-3-1.
Based on discoveries late in the cycle, four Schwager numbers (one from the 1st edition and three created for the 3rd edition) were adjusted to represent four different classes of samples instead of individual states. It takes a careful eye to tell them apart. All use correct PCGS coin numbers - 140xx and 390xx are correct coin numbers for clad 50SQs but bogus certificate numbers.
This one is .00/1234567 with "PCGS Sample" (space no dash). Known states now include Alaska, Arizona, and Hawaii.
.00/1234567 with "PCGS-Sample" is PCGS-025-4-37. Known states are Colorado, Idaho, Montana, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota (2 examples known), Utah, Washington, and Wyoming.
.00/12345678 with "PCGS- Sample" or "PCGS - Sample" (we may yet break this up later based on discoveries) are PCGS-025-4-38. Known states are Nebraska and Nevada.
.00/71041540 with "PCGS-Sample" is PCGS-025-4-39. Known states are California, Kansas, Oregon, and West Virginia.
(Tim I had a bit of an advantage having bought both collections - here is a photo of these all stacked up in their piles :-)
And for anyone keeping score, we've kept the 1-off and misspellings (Loiusiana) as they were.
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“Steelie” Sample Slab
On the contrary, Google is not your friend.
Apropos of some ANACS photo certificates posted up thread...
I've mentioned in a couple of places that the coins were returned in a polyethylene bag inside a PVC flip with a warning note.
There is a listing on eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/256336345354) that shows this clearly:
Polyethylene is food grade and thus inert. I've seen a few still packaged like this (I own one, a Mercury Dime IIRC) and they do not seem to have had any problems, even 38 years later.
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Burton - thanks for the informative port!
I'm beginning to feel like a novice......
OK - can post this here now that the auction is over. Definitely rare plastic!
Very cool sample, all (obviously) w/o the coin. Inserts vary in size, maybe 10 made?? I've seen very few offered or posted!
Looks like a holder for a gold $5. Certainly, PCGS could have used the right sized holder for a sample slab.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
Here is one. Interesting it was designated a variety (its FS 502)
WS
https://ebay.com/itm/305352584147?hash=item47186eabd3:g:RM4AAOSwUb9lodZP
What gives, the holder? $750 coin at 10K.