I found this article interesting. From a former Giant who beat Brady and the Pats twice
Former New York Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora knows a thing or two about how great Tom Brady is. He also knows what it’s like to beat Brady, a feeling he’s experienced twice in the Super Bowl.
That aside, Umenyiora realizes how special Brady’s feat of seven Super Bowl wins is. On his Twitter feed, he elaborated.
“The NFL is the most fair professional sports league in the world. Every team has the same access to all the players because of the draft and salary cap,” Umenyiora said. “No super teams, actually teams that try and build super teams usually lose. It’s not an individual sport, and all these factors make it almost impossible to win consistently in the NFL.
“So I stand firm in believing that what Tom Brady has done is almost inconceivable, and he is the best professional athlete we have seen.”
Osi then clarified his assessment, stating he is only using a recent sample of history.
“I only went back to 2010, but since then, the team with the most pro bowl players has not won the Super Bowl. You can’t buy an NFL championship, or assemble a bunch of star players to win one. Just doesn’t work like that in the NFL,” he said.
No, it doesn’t. Football isn’t like the other team sports. Sure, amassing good players is helpful but it is not the be-all, end-all. Not in football which is the ultimate team game. The Buccaneers may have seemed like an all-star team to may but in reality they were a perfect bunch of young players and veterans — and many of those veterans were picked up off the scrap heap.
Brady was considered done by many teams after last season. His phone did not ring off the hook like it probably should have. Rob Gronkowski was lured out of retirement. Leonard Fournette was cut by the Jaguars and no team wanted anything to do with Antonio Brown. Tampa general manager Jason Licht took a chance on all of them — and won.
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@Justacommeman said:
Now that the GOAT is settled all is good. But the fact is a couple posters stated he wasn't. I accept that. I think a lot of us tried maybe in vain to state the reasons we believe he was. You did at least state he was in the running. We also failed to convince you that he IS. That's fine. I accept that. You're a respected poster and I do listen and acknowledge your POV even when I disagree with you.
You could gather every piece of data in existence and get Clarence Darrow himself to present it and I simply could not be convinced that Brady was a greater player than Sammy Baugh, or Don Hutson, or Johhny Unitas, or a whole host of players who played a different game than Brady. And vice versa.
Among modern QBs, I do agree that Brady is the GOAT, and he has earned every bit of the 7% of the credit he gets for the success of his teams. I don't know that he's necessarily any more skilled than a few others have been, but he's lasted a lot longer at that level than anyone else.
This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
@Justacommeman said:
Now that the GOAT is settled all is good. But the fact is a couple posters stated he wasn't. I accept that. I think a lot of us tried maybe in vain to state the reasons we believe he was. You did at least state he was in the running. We also failed to convince you that he IS. That's fine. I accept that. You're a respected poster and I do listen and acknowledge your POV even when I disagree with you.
You could gather every piece of data in existence and get Clarence Darrow himself to present it and I simply could not be convinced that Brady was a greater player than Sammy Baugh, or Don Hutson, or Johhny Unitas, or a whole host of players who played a different game than Brady. And vice versa.
Among modern QBs, I do agree that Brady is the GOAT, and he has earned every bit of the 7% of the credit he gets for the success of his teams. I don't know that he's necessarily any more skilled than a few others have been, but he's lasted a lot longer at that level than anyone else.
I will have to accept those scraps. It's the best I can hope for. I'm putting it in the win column.
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@Justacommeman said:
I love LarkinCollector. He's a good man with a deft sense of humor and is a knowledgeable and skilled debater. Plus his man Larkin is a U of M product.
I'll ignore the rest for now, but my title is "Master Debater"
@Justacommeman said:
Now that the GOAT is settled all is good. But the fact is a couple posters stated he wasn't. I accept that. I think a lot of us tried maybe in vain to state the reasons we believe he was. You did at least state he was in the running. We also failed to convince you that he IS. That's fine. I accept that. You're a respected poster and I do listen and acknowledge your POV even when I disagree with you.
You could gather every piece of data in existence and get Clarence Darrow himself to present it and I simply could not be convinced that Brady was a greater player than Sammy Baugh, or Don Hutson, or Johhny Unitas, or a whole host of players who played a different game than Brady. And vice versa.
Among modern QBs, I do agree that Brady is the GOAT, and he has earned every bit of the 7% of the credit he gets for the success of his teams. I don't know that he's necessarily any more skilled than a few others have been, but he's lasted a lot longer at that level than anyone else.
I will have to accept those scraps. It's the best I can hope for. I'm putting it in the win column.
@Justacommeman said:
Now that the GOAT is settled all is good. But the fact is a couple posters stated he wasn't. I accept that. I think a lot of us tried maybe in vain to state the reasons we believe he was. You did at least state he was in the running. We also failed to convince you that he IS. That's fine. I accept that. You're a respected poster and I do listen and acknowledge your POV even when I disagree with you.
You could gather every piece of data in existence and get Clarence Darrow himself to present it and I simply could not be convinced that Brady was a greater player than Sammy Baugh, or Don Hutson, or Johhny Unitas, or a whole host of players who played a different game than Brady. And vice versa.
Among modern QBs, I do agree that Brady is the GOAT, and he has earned every bit of the 7% of the credit he gets for the success of his teams. I don't know that he's necessarily any more skilled than a few others have been, but he's lasted a lot longer at that level than anyone else.
Regarding your Baugh and Hutson reference I just need to know that even though in their environment they played well enough above their peers to be considered GOAT worthy, please tell me you understand the difference in eras and that if you took Baugh, Hutson and every “Best” player from the 40’s and 50’s that ( to no fault of their own ) they would not beat this year’s Alabama team. Totally irrelevant but I’m just curious if you believe that or not.
@Justacommeman said:
Now that the GOAT is settled all is good. But the fact is a couple posters stated he wasn't. I accept that. I think a lot of us tried maybe in vain to state the reasons we believe he was. You did at least state he was in the running. We also failed to convince you that he IS. That's fine. I accept that. You're a respected poster and I do listen and acknowledge your POV even when I disagree with you.
You could gather every piece of data in existence and get Clarence Darrow himself to present it and I simply could not be convinced that Brady was a greater player than Sammy Baugh, or Don Hutson, or Johhny Unitas, or a whole host of players who played a different game than Brady. And vice versa.
Among modern QBs, I do agree that Brady is the GOAT, and he has earned every bit of the 7% of the credit he gets for the success of his teams. I don't know that he's necessarily any more skilled than a few others have been, but he's lasted a lot longer at that level than anyone else.
I suppose the rightful conclusion to this exhausting thread would be for it to go to a jury trial
and they would have to decide if Brady is the GOAT or not.
I'm going to opt out if it comes to that as I was an expert witness in the 'Brett vs. Schmidt' jury
trial that the Brett supporters won.
@Justacommeman said:
Now that the GOAT is settled all is good. But the fact is a couple posters stated he wasn't. I accept that. I think a lot of us tried maybe in vain to state the reasons we believe he was. You did at least state he was in the running. We also failed to convince you that he IS. That's fine. I accept that. You're a respected poster and I do listen and acknowledge your POV even when I disagree with you.
You could gather every piece of data in existence and get Clarence Darrow himself to present it and I simply could not be convinced that Brady was a greater player than Sammy Baugh, or Don Hutson, or Johhny Unitas, or a whole host of players who played a different game than Brady. And vice versa.
Among modern QBs, I do agree that Brady is the GOAT, and he has earned every bit of the 7% of the credit he gets for the success of his teams. I don't know that he's necessarily any more skilled than a few others have been, but he's lasted a lot longer at that level than anyone else.
I suppose the rightful conclusion to this exhausting thread would be for it to go to a jury trial
and they would have to decide if Brady is the GOAT or not.
I'm going to opt out if it comes to that as I was an expert witness in the 'Brett vs. Schmidt' jury
trial that the Brett supporters won.
I know you couldn't find 12 unbiased jurors here and I'm not sure it's possible anywhere on the entire Internet.
Regarding your Baugh and Hutson reference I just need to know that even though in their environment they played well enough above their peers to be considered GOAT worthy, please tell me you understand the difference in eras and that if you took Baugh, Hutson and every “Best” player from the 40’s and 50’s that ( to no fault of their own ) they would not beat this year’s Alabama team. Totally irrelevant but I’m just curious if you believe that or not.
I see what you did there. Do you? Yes, if you took an entire team from the 1940's and planted them in 2020 they'd get killed, because 210 pound human linemen would be no match for the 350 pound steroid monsters of today. If that's what you meant, then sure, I agree. But if you meant that "every single player" individually couldn't play today then no, I don't agree. I think Baugh and Hutson, and lots of players from that era, would be studs in the NFL today. Whether they'd be GOAT worthy is pure guesswork, but I think they'd be great.
In the same vein, I just want to make sure that you understand that if you took Brady back to the 1940's, gave him an offensive line of 210 pound men and 1940's trainers, allowed the defense to shove his receivers all the way down the field, and then made him punt, return punts and play defense as needed, that he would have half as many career yards passing, he wouldn't have played nearly as long, and you would laugh at anyone who considered him the GOAT. Same man, same skills, different game. The funny thing is that it would be me trying to get you to understand that Tom Brady was a legitimate GOAT candidate, and you would be saying that he wouldn't make it in today's game.
This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
Regarding your Baugh and Hutson reference I just need to know that even though in their environment they played well enough above their peers to be considered GOAT worthy, please tell me you understand the difference in eras and that if you took Baugh, Hutson and every “Best” player from the 40’s and 50’s that ( to no fault of their own ) they would not beat this year’s Alabama team. Totally irrelevant but I’m just curious if you believe that or not.
I see what you did there. Do you? Yes, if you took an entire team from the 1940's and planted them in 2020 they'd get killed, because 210 pound human linemen would be no match for the 350 pound steroid monsters of today. If that's what you meant, then sure, I agree. But if you meant that "every single player" individually couldn't play today then no, I don't agree. I think Baugh and Hutson, and lots of players from that era, would be studs in the NFL today. Whether they'd be GOAT worthy is pure guesswork, but I think they'd be great.
In the same vein, I just want to make sure that you understand that if you took Brady back to the 1940's, gave him an offensive line of 210 pound men and 1940's trainers, allowed the defense to shove his receivers all the way down the field, and then made him punt, return punts and play defense as needed, that he would have half as many career yards passing, he wouldn't have played nearly as long, and you would laugh at anyone who considered him the GOAT. Same man, same skills, different game. The funny thing is that it would be me trying to get you to understand that Tom Brady was a legitimate GOAT candidate, and you would be saying that he wouldn't make it in today's game.
Ok I’m just making sure. I will disagree about Brady having half the yards he has if he was playing the ‘40’s though. I don’t think he would have that much not would Jerry Rice, Montana ect.. ect.,
@Justacommeman said:
Now that the GOAT is settled all is good. But the fact is a couple posters stated he wasn't. I accept that. I think a lot of us tried maybe in vain to state the reasons we believe he was. You did at least state he was in the running. We also failed to convince you that he IS. That's fine. I accept that. You're a respected poster and I do listen and acknowledge your POV even when I disagree with you.
You could gather every piece of data in existence and get Clarence Darrow himself to present it and I simply could not be convinced that Brady was a greater player than Sammy Baugh, or Don Hutson, or Johhny Unitas, or a whole host of players who played a different game than Brady. And vice versa.
Among modern QBs, I do agree that Brady is the GOAT, and he has earned every bit of the 7% of the credit he gets for the success of his teams. I don't know that he's necessarily any more skilled than a few others have been, but he's lasted a lot longer at that level than anyone else.
Those of us who play a very high level of chess, we understand how great Tom Brady is.
A master chess player would understand his greatness.
It has to do with the most important piece on the board, or field, making the best moves, or decisions, knowing how important each successful decision throughout the game is.
In other words, if my queen is 85.7 percent efficient on my moves, whereas the opponents queen is 93 percent efficient in hers, I most likely will lose more often than win, because my most important piece let me down more often than the other pieces.
All my pawns and castles and bishops are very important, but the queen, or quarterback is most important.
Brady is the best queen at leading the team to victory. He is the GOAT.
Those of us who play a very high level of chess, we understand how great Tom Brady is.
A master chess player would understand his greatness.
It has to do with the most important piece on the board, or field, making the best moves, or decisions, knowing how important each successful decision throughout the game is.
In other words, if my queen is 85.7 percent efficient on my moves, whereas the opponents queen is 93 percent efficient in hers, I most likely will lose more often than win, because my most important piece let me down more often than the other pieces.
All my pawns and castles and bishops are very important, but the queen, or quarterback is most important.
Brady is the best queen at leading the team to victory. He is the GOAT.
Those of us who play a very high level of chess, we understand how great Tom Brady is.
Since you quoted me saying that Brady was the GOAT I'd like to assume you are including me in the "those of us who play a very high level of chess" (otherwise quoting me made no sense at all). But while I don't play a very high level of chess I do know that the queen remains on the board throughout pretty much the entire game and so makes a lousy analogy to a QB who is on the field for less than half the game.
This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
The King is basically worthless in chess, he can't do anything. Is he an invalid or something?
He should be leading the others into battle but he hides behind the Queen's skirt.
Don't know why the other pieces spend the whole game trying to protect him.
I set an alarm to wake me at an odd hour in the middle of the night so I could be alerted to do something unrelated to Sports Talk
And out of the blue I remembered again that I hadn't checked in on Dimeman. So I went ATS and he had left me a message. Turns out he's following this GOAT debate as it continues to rage forward. So just to make things even more fun, here are his exact words.
1951Wheaties needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Brady is the GOAT.....Montana isn't even close. It's laughable and you can tell him I said so.
Those of us who play a very high level of chess, we understand how great Tom Brady is.
Since you quoted me saying that Brady was the GOAT I'd like to assume you are including me in the "those of us who play a very high level of chess" (otherwise quoting me made no sense at all). But while I don't play a very high level of chess I do know that the queen remains on the board throughout pretty much the entire game and so makes a lousy analogy to a QB who is on the field for less than half the game.
Lousy analogy ? I forgive you being that you speak from ignorance.
In an average chess match these pieces are used the most.
1- Pawns
2- Knights
3- Rooks
4- Bishops
5- Queen
6- King
The quarterback has the ball in his hands half the game. He can fumble, throw picks, miss open receivers, make poor decisions.
He has a much greater impact on the game for his team because he handles the ball half the game.
The queen is only involved in 1/5th of the game, but how she is managed is so important. It can be the difference between victory and defeat.
Those of us who play a very high level of chess, we understand how great Tom Brady is.
Since you quoted me saying that Brady was the GOAT I'd like to assume you are including me in the "those of us who play a very high level of chess" (otherwise quoting me made no sense at all). But while I don't play a very high level of chess I do know that the queen remains on the board throughout pretty much the entire game and so makes a lousy analogy to a QB who is on the field for less than half the game.
Lousy analogy ? I forgive you being that you speak from ignorance.
In an average chess match these pieces are used the most.
1- Pawns
2- Knights
3- Rooks
4- Bishops
5- Queen
6- King
The quarterback has the ball in his hands half the game. He can fumble, throw picks, miss open receivers, make poor decisions.
He has a much greater impact on the game for his team because he handles the ball half the game.
The queen is only involved in 1/5th of the game, but how she is managed is so important. It can be the difference between victory and defeat.
And the queen is obviously "involved" in much more than 1/5th of the game. Think about it for two seconds and it's really, really obvious why that is. But if you can't figure it out then I, too, forgive you your ignorance.
This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
The Queen may not make a majority of the moves but you better believe the opponent keeps careful track of where she is and what moves she can make. Kind of reminds me about that QB who called time out because he did not see where LT was lined up.
@thisistheshow said:
I set an alarm to wake me at an odd hour in the middle of the night so I could be alerted to do something unrelated to Sports Talk
And out of the blue I remembered again that I hadn't checked in on Dimeman. So I went ATS and he had left me a message. Turns out he's following this GOAT debate as it continues to rage forward. So just to make things even more fun, here are his exact words.
1951Wheaties needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Brady is the GOAT.....Montana isn't even close. It's laughable and you can tell him I said so.
Tag me in the future?
Pretty sure @Dimeman was a Cowboy fan, though, and...
Here’s a GOAT eater.
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When I bounced this thread went from football talk featuring Joe Montana to football talk featuring chess.
Kenny Rogers says I did really good knowing when to fold ‘em and that now it’s time to walk away for good.
And Tom Brady as your queen really works for me, by the way...
...let’s hope that sticks.
😂😂😂
Dammit, now you're going to make me talk about that whole chess reference. Tom Brady as the queen, well, that part was obvious, especially after seeing him prance around after a bottle of Boone's. What wasn't even factored into my 5% though is the contributions of those "moving the pieces", so to speak. If we cut a share for them (GM, OC, DC, owner, trainers, dieticians, steroid injectors, etc.), there's no way I could even get a QB to 5%. Count me at 3% QB.
@1951WheatiesPremium said:
I can already feel the responding Bostonian keyboard vibrations from here, @LarkinCollector but are you picking them up out west?
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Hail Brady, full of grace.
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst QBs,
And blessed is the fruit of thy play calling
Holy Brady mother of rings
Pray for those defenses
Now, and at the hour of their death
Amen
@Goldenage said:
Hail Brady, full of grace.
The Lord is with thee (except in SuperBowls against Eli).
Blessed art thou amongst QBs,
And blessed is the fruit of thy play calling
Holy Brady mother of rings
Pray for those defenses
Now, and at the hour of their death
Amen
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@Goldenage said:
Hail Brady, full of grace.
The Lord is with thee (except in SuperBowls against Eli).
Blessed art thou amongst QBs,
And blessed is the fruit of thy play calling
Holy Brady mother of rings
Pray for those defenses
Now, and at the hour of their death
Amen
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I found this article interesting. From a former Giant who beat Brady and the Pats twice
Former New York Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora knows a thing or two about how great Tom Brady is. He also knows what it’s like to beat Brady, a feeling he’s experienced twice in the Super Bowl.
That aside, Umenyiora realizes how special Brady’s feat of seven Super Bowl wins is. On his Twitter feed, he elaborated.
“The NFL is the most fair professional sports league in the world. Every team has the same access to all the players because of the draft and salary cap,” Umenyiora said. “No super teams, actually teams that try and build super teams usually lose. It’s not an individual sport, and all these factors make it almost impossible to win consistently in the NFL.
“So I stand firm in believing that what Tom Brady has done is almost inconceivable, and he is the best professional athlete we have seen.”
Osi then clarified his assessment, stating he is only using a recent sample of history.
“I only went back to 2010, but since then, the team with the most pro bowl players has not won the Super Bowl. You can’t buy an NFL championship, or assemble a bunch of star players to win one. Just doesn’t work like that in the NFL,” he said.
No, it doesn’t. Football isn’t like the other team sports. Sure, amassing good players is helpful but it is not the be-all, end-all. Not in football which is the ultimate team game. The Buccaneers may have seemed like an all-star team to may but in reality they were a perfect bunch of young players and veterans — and many of those veterans were picked up off the scrap heap.
Brady was considered done by many teams after last season. His phone did not ring off the hook like it probably should have. Rob Gronkowski was lured out of retirement. Leonard Fournette was cut by the Jaguars and no team wanted anything to do with Antonio Brown. Tampa general manager Jason Licht took a chance on all of them — and won.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/osi-umenyiora-nfl-structure-makes-180017314.html
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
You could gather every piece of data in existence and get Clarence Darrow himself to present it and I simply could not be convinced that Brady was a greater player than Sammy Baugh, or Don Hutson, or Johhny Unitas, or a whole host of players who played a different game than Brady. And vice versa.
Among modern QBs, I do agree that Brady is the GOAT, and he has earned every bit of the 7% of the credit he gets for the success of his teams. I don't know that he's necessarily any more skilled than a few others have been, but he's lasted a lot longer at that level than anyone else.
I will have to accept those scraps. It's the best I can hope for. I'm putting it in the win column.
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
/thread
I'll ignore the rest for now, but my title is "Master Debater"
Are you disrepecting Horry's contributions? Thread coming soon about his 20%.
Who has been hateful or vitriolic? Todd would have shut that TART down long ago.
Many here set traps so as to be able to reticule others. I would call them Master Baiters.
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Ralph
People who fall for the obvious baiters, though? Amateur baiters, 7%ers? There's a word that's escaping me.
you are correct sir, that was hyperbole on my part.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
this.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Regarding your Baugh and Hutson reference I just need to know that even though in their environment they played well enough above their peers to be considered GOAT worthy, please tell me you understand the difference in eras and that if you took Baugh, Hutson and every “Best” player from the 40’s and 50’s that ( to no fault of their own ) they would not beat this year’s Alabama team. Totally irrelevant but I’m just curious if you believe that or not.
You guys amaze me...
I suppose the rightful conclusion to this exhausting thread would be for it to go to a jury trial
and they would have to decide if Brady is the GOAT or not.
I'm going to opt out if it comes to that as I was an expert witness in the 'Brett vs. Schmidt' jury
trial that the Brett supporters won.
oh gosh, the brett vs schmidt debate. that was one for the ages.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I stopped keeping track of that one? Did Brett really win or was it a Hung jury?
I know you couldn't find 12 unbiased jurors here and I'm not sure it's possible anywhere on the entire Internet.
the jury all slit their wrists
😂😂😂
I see what you did there. Do you? Yes, if you took an entire team from the 1940's and planted them in 2020 they'd get killed, because 210 pound human linemen would be no match for the 350 pound steroid monsters of today. If that's what you meant, then sure, I agree. But if you meant that "every single player" individually couldn't play today then no, I don't agree. I think Baugh and Hutson, and lots of players from that era, would be studs in the NFL today. Whether they'd be GOAT worthy is pure guesswork, but I think they'd be great.
In the same vein, I just want to make sure that you understand that if you took Brady back to the 1940's, gave him an offensive line of 210 pound men and 1940's trainers, allowed the defense to shove his receivers all the way down the field, and then made him punt, return punts and play defense as needed, that he would have half as many career yards passing, he wouldn't have played nearly as long, and you would laugh at anyone who considered him the GOAT. Same man, same skills, different game. The funny thing is that it would be me trying to get you to understand that Tom Brady was a legitimate GOAT candidate, and you would be saying that he wouldn't make it in today's game.
Ok I’m just making sure. I will disagree about Brady having half the yards he has if he was playing the ‘40’s though. I don’t think he would have that much not would Jerry Rice, Montana ect.. ect.,
so did half of the readers.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I thought i said that Brady is now the GOAT.
So why then is this debate continuing?
We have a hard time believing what you say after you said Wentz would be MVP this year.
Those of us who play a very high level of chess, we understand how great Tom Brady is.
A master chess player would understand his greatness.
It has to do with the most important piece on the board, or field, making the best moves, or decisions, knowing how important each successful decision throughout the game is.
In other words, if my queen is 85.7 percent efficient on my moves, whereas the opponents queen is 93 percent efficient in hers, I most likely will lose more often than win, because my most important piece let me down more often than the other pieces.
All my pawns and castles and bishops are very important, but the queen, or quarterback is most important.
Brady is the best queen at leading the team to victory. He is the GOAT.
we have a winner
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
It had nothing to do with me being a homer.
D'oh !
Since you quoted me saying that Brady was the GOAT I'd like to assume you are including me in the "those of us who play a very high level of chess" (otherwise quoting me made no sense at all). But while I don't play a very high level of chess I do know that the queen remains on the board throughout pretty much the entire game and so makes a lousy analogy to a QB who is on the field for less than half the game.
The King is basically worthless in chess, he can't do anything. Is he an invalid or something?
He should be leading the others into battle but he hides behind the Queen's skirt.
Don't know why the other pieces spend the whole game trying to protect him.
I set an alarm to wake me at an odd hour in the middle of the night so I could be alerted to do something unrelated to Sports Talk
And out of the blue I remembered again that I hadn't checked in on Dimeman. So I went ATS and he had left me a message. Turns out he's following this GOAT debate as it continues to rage forward. So just to make things even more fun, here are his exact words.
1951Wheaties needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Brady is the GOAT.....Montana isn't even close. It's laughable and you can tell him I said so.
Lousy analogy ? I forgive you being that you speak from ignorance.
In an average chess match these pieces are used the most.
1- Pawns
2- Knights
3- Rooks
4- Bishops
5- Queen
6- King
The quarterback has the ball in his hands half the game. He can fumble, throw picks, miss open receivers, make poor decisions.
He has a much greater impact on the game for his team because he handles the ball half the game.
The queen is only involved in 1/5th of the game, but how she is managed is so important. It can be the difference between victory and defeat.
Lose the Queen = you lose. Take Brady off the Bucs= they lose. Does that make Brady a Queen?
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Ralph
You spent a lot of time here to point out my ignorance without ever actually disagreeing with anything that I said. It is stunning to me how often that happens in these threads; it's almost as if people are so personally invested in defending their own position that they don't even read what anyone else is writing. I think it's also the case that you, and others, respond not to what I, or someone else, has actually said but to what you imagine we were thinking when we said what we said. It makes for some hilarious irrelevant responses about chess or whatever, but it's why these threads just go around in ever widening circles of masturbatory rehash©.
And the queen is obviously "involved" in much more than 1/5th of the game. Think about it for two seconds and it's really, really obvious why that is. But if you can't figure it out then I, too, forgive you your ignorance.
The Queen may not make a majority of the moves but you better believe the opponent keeps careful track of where she is and what moves she can make. Kind of reminds me about that QB who called time out because he did not see where LT was lined up.
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Ralph
Not sure if this has already been posted here yet.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ESsc4PFT-Pk&feature=emb_title
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thank you, I will watch this one later on tonight.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Tag me in the future?
Pretty sure @Dimeman was a Cowboy fan, though, and...
Here’s a GOAT eater.
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By the way...
When I bounced this thread went from football talk featuring Joe Montana to football talk featuring chess.
Kenny Rogers says I did really good knowing when to fold ‘em and that now it’s time to walk away for good.
And Tom Brady as your queen really works for me, by the way...
...let’s hope that sticks.
😂😂😂
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Dammit, now you're going to make me talk about that whole chess reference. Tom Brady as the queen, well, that part was obvious, especially after seeing him prance around after a bottle of Boone's. What wasn't even factored into my 5% though is the contributions of those "moving the pieces", so to speak. If we cut a share for them (GM, OC, DC, owner, trainers, dieticians, steroid injectors, etc.), there's no way I could even get a QB to 5%. Count me at 3% QB.
Here comes her majesty now, looking regal as ever...
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I can already feel the responding Bostonian keyboard vibrations from here, @LarkinCollector but are you picking them up out west?
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My TARTs been tingling for like an hour ...
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Hail Brady, full of grace.
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst QBs,
And blessed is the fruit of thy play calling
Holy Brady mother of rings
Pray for those defenses
Now, and at the hour of their death
Amen
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now this is something I can get behind!!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
You should have left up the last one
