X marks the spot..should it grade problem free? Grade Revealed
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Curious what you guys think about this purdy coin.
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No. Detail grade due to scratches.
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It should grade. Can not tell what grade without seeing how the luster is, but I am assuming its AU something. Technical 58, knocked to a 55 for scratching?
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It is pretty, too bad about that apparently deliberate X.
Still a nice coin!
bummer, but no
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Genuine, graffiti... Too bad, nice coin otherwise. Cheers, RickO
Me thinks somebody cheated!
PS I know some will disagree, but even without the scratches the coin has too may hits for me to accept as a 58.
So funny. At first look, I’m deliberating on the small X on the cheek and then I finally see the massive X on the neck. Man, I need more coffee this morning. Got to be a details grade.
I’ll go against the majority and say it should straight grade. If it were done deliberately I’d expect there to be a more uniform depth to the scratches. It’s still unfortunate and distracting.
Fields look pretty clean, but still likely details. Too bad. Nice looking coin overall.
A scratch is still damage if it's accidental rather than done on purpose.
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Sure, but considering bag marks are damage caused by other coins, as this also appears to be, few coins would straight grade using that logic.
Bag marks are treated differently than scratches.
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You would be surprised at some coins I've submitted that come back in a scratched details holder that are not even close to being as severe as this and not in easy to see spot like the neck on this coin!
Hopefully just netted down for problems. Question to me is old vs. new marks, how severe the problem is, whether the overall appeal is there or not.
it would grade if worn to EF and let sit for 2-3 years
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Even under magnification it’s not distracting. I say straight grade, netted down for the scratches.
well, I still like to color
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It COULD straight grade. Really depends on the grader+coin in hand.
Doesn't it always?
Not always, sometimes it's a no brainer. IE heavly scrubbed/holed ect.
I think scratches are based on severity. I have some straight graded coins with scratches that aren’t all that bad. I think it comes down to “is the scratch the first thing you see?” If not, it’s probably ok...
These are both scratched. It doesn’t bother me at all...
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Scratches are scratches.
If bad then no straight grade. If normal wear or contact scratches then grade commensurate to the wear.
Graffiti is a no no.
Why, because I can grade?
For what its worth, I originally said 55 netted to a 53 grade, then bumped it after a second look and not seeing a lot of rub on the high points.
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Deliberate graffiti should not straight grade.
Genuine-graffiti/AU 55-Details.
Nice color.
X marks the spot......Maybe this was once part of some Pirates Treasure??
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There are at least 3 X's there. If deemed deliberate, then no grade. If not, only the shadow knows...........
I see a Quarter much larger than life. I would think that in hand, these scratches don't jump out as bad. I would think it would straight grade.
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When I look at the image in the original post and look at the coin as a whole, the x doesn't stand out too much and the "whole of the coin" and eye appeal win out. So, I think it would straight grade assuming that image is accurate. It doesn't appear that the x on the neck is deliberate as the crossing scratches appear to be different types. The one going from NW to SE appears to be more shallow. The nicks under the eye and on the chin bother me more from an eye appeal standpoint.
It's a Half with an S on the back.
oops, Not much with Barbers. Lol I still think it will grade.
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Here's the slab picture. I'm wondering if the buyer saw the scratches. If 2 serious contenders were after that coin that didn't see the scratches I would wager it would have sold for quite a bit more! All the other nicely toned Barber Material in the auction blew the PCGS price guide prices away! This one went for less than price guide. This is also one of the reasons I feel they will not raise the prices....these outliers really hurt the market for the nice coins to a degree.
Has this coin been to CAC? I wonder if JA thinks that graffiti is acceptable?
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I dont think the x is deliberate, just coincidental that two scratches formed the x. Awful banged up on the surfaces IMO for the 55, but still worthy of a grade , especially being an 04-s. I personally would not buy it. And most likely submitted by a dealer.
Are you saying there should be different and more lenient grading standards for better date?
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No, but there is IMO
I've had cac sticker better date coins with substantial hits; it all comes down to overall quality of the coin.
For anyone who cares to answer - do you think that if the “x” looks to have been intentionally made, it should lead to a different grading result than if it were the result of random circulation marks?
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I had a feeling it was straight graded. Some people here are very tough on potential problem coins. I've seen much worse damage than that in slabs.
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You seem to be contradicting yourself.
It belongs in a "details" holder. It makes no difference how the "X" got there. Every time the coin is viewed the "X" will become more and more annoying. It is a problem coin that is likely to continue causing problems for the current and future owners. If offered to me I would decline to buy it.
I don’t think it quite deserves a “details” holder, and I think those marks probably look relatively minor in hand. It’s just a “C or D” quality half for the grade.
As to an earlier question, deliberate marking would be wise, if you could know for sure.
I’d the “X” wasn’t deliberately made and is the result of random circulation marks, why should the coin be in a “details” holder? Because it looks like an “X” or because of the severity of the marks?
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And to the flip side I've seen much less severe deemed scratched or what ever.
I guess you could see it that way. Seems the yucky coins bring the prices down but the nice coins do not bring the prices up. Of course most the nice coins are traded privately.
The X on the neck is not casual or accidental, it is intentional....and in response to @MFeld... Yes, if intentional graffiti, it should be 'details' grade (IMO - but that is grading, opinions). This coin should not be straight graded. Cheers, RickO
It makes no difference. The "X" looks deliberate regardless of if it was or not.
I would not want the coin in my collection. Several years ago I saw a Bust Quarter with a prominent X on the cheek. I could not believe it was straight graded.
Graffiti coins turn up straight graded in major TPGS slabs from time to time. @BillJones posted one, as an example many years ago, that he deemed as unsuitable. Personally, I do not like them nor would I want to own one.
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I'm in the camp to bag it. Some scratches I think warrant a net grade, but this appears deliberate. It looks like graffiti to me. The TPGs are sticklers for tooled coins, regardless how minor or how well the job was done. I think they treat coins like this one likewise.
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