Anyone else had orders sit in the shipping stage for more than a day or two. Had two orders pop last Friday that still haven’t shipped. I don’t think I have ever had an order sit in shipping for a whole day. They usually ship the same day grades pop.
Anyone remember how the pricing was for the different service levels prior to the backlog of cards?
How much was a value submission per card?
I was not collecting or involved in any grading back then.
"Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens" Jimi Hendrix.
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@parthur1607 said:
Through 2019 value wasn’t split into era and you had to submit 100 cards minimum. Cost was $8/card. You would have your cards back in 2-3 months.
How times have changed. Hard to imagine them encouraging a 100 card minimum any time soon or being able to come anywhere near $8 a card.
Mine is
Deal not modern
I had another"deal" received and entered the same time that has been in grading for about 4-5months now. So yeah Im concerned. I called but they said nothing is wrong. When should I think something is wrong? 2 years? I have the cards declared value at $9,800.00 on the PSA form.
@handyman are they still worth that? My subs that are moving through assembly and QA are barely worth the grading fees now. A bunch of prospect rookies in basketball that I don't think even play any longer. Baseball that won't be played and football that has spanned 2 Super Bowl's.
@parthur1607 said:
Through 2019 value wasn’t split into era and you had to submit 100 cards minimum. Cost was $8/card. You would have your cards back in 2-3 months.
How times have changed. Hard to imagine them encouraging a 100 card minimum any time soon or being able to come anywhere near $8 a card.
The good ol' days! I was sending in 300+ cards and getting $4/card with "no guaranteed turnaround" but got them back in a month back in 2007
@handyman said:
Mine is
Deal not modern
I had another"deal" received and entered the same time that has been in grading for about 4-5months now. So yeah Im concerned. I called but they said nothing is wrong. When should I think something is wrong? 2 years? I have the cards declared value at $9,800.00 on the PSA form.
Similar story here, but with packs. I called a couple weeks ago about them and was told the same. No kidding they just went to grading a few days ago.
sent 10/09/20 received 11/18/20
I've also noticed a slow down in QA2. My past orders usually blew through QA2 in a day, but it's been 3 days now. Someone else noted a slow down in orders being shipped after grades pop. So, from what I can tell there are some log jams in multiple different areas at the moment.
Jeff
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
"are they still worth that"
Yeah I think they are honestly worth more than 9800.00
Was a lot of high end vintage rookies and Pack pull mid 60s cards. Easily worth more than my declared value.
@handyman said:
Mine is
Deal not modern
I had another"deal" received and entered the same time that has been in grading for about 4-5months now. So yeah Im concerned. I called but they said nothing is wrong. When should I think something is wrong? 2 years? I have the cards declared value at $9,800.00 on the PSA form.
I completely agree......When should we think something is wrong????? I honestly believe if you have cards there for a calendar year you should be receiving an email specifically with the expected date these will be completed. They should be able to tell you within a 30 day window of when the cards will be graded. They know exactly where they are at with the backlog. I fear subs like Handyman has will easily see 2023. Some of this is just math. If the backlog is 5 million currently this will take at least 10 more months to get cleared. I've heard numbers north of 5 million. They are grading something like 800,000 cards a month. Remember the backlog is just that....it's not new subs that they are still receiving at a decent rate. I seriously don't know what to make of any of this.
I have grown tired of all of this. My wife wants a new house. May sell everything and take up some other hobby where I am not left to deal with embarrassingly poor customer service and wait times to enjoy it.
So the PSA website has had value modern and quarterly specials at 99% done from February 2021 for the past 3 weeks, but the CTD’s barely ever move. This info just becomes another source of frustration.
@mrburns443 said:
So the PSA website has had value modern and quarterly specials at 99% done from February 2021 for the past 3 weeks, but the CTD’s barely ever move. This info just becomes another source of frustration.
Been in QA 2 all week. It's like they can't get out of their own way. Every step of the process continues to take longer and longer. To be honest I can't remember ever in my life being more dissatisfied with a company. Unfortunately, like @rexvos this likely drives me away from collecting altogether, but for absolute certain I won't be sending any cards to PSA for years. What an absolute cluster this last couple years has been.
Jeff
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
@mrburns443 said:
So the PSA website has had value modern and quarterly specials at 99% done from February 2021 for the past 3 weeks, but the CTD’s barely ever move. This info just becomes another source of frustration.
Been in QA 2 all week. It's like they can't get out of their own way. Every step of the process continues to take longer and longer. To be honest I can't remember ever in my life being more dissatisfied with a company. Unfortunately, like @rexvos this likely drives me away from collecting altogether, but for absolute certain I won't be sending any cards to PSA for years. What an absolute cluster this last couple years has been.
Jeff
You have to be historically bad to get me to consider stop doing what I have done for 40 years.
Grading does/did add some excitement to the hobby while adding additional protection to the cards. I collected many years before I bought my first graded card and it took me a few additional years before I started submitting cards for grading. The vast majority of my graded cards are part of my PC. PSA has never had stellar customer service but it has some how gotten worse over time. It may slow me down as far as collecting but probably won’t stop me. I definitely understand peoples frustrations with PSA. I probably will not submit as often if at all. May just keep my cards raw or Dabble with submissions with another company. Who knows. At any rate my modern submission entered 4/1/21 has hit assembly. Not sure when the up-charge email is sent but was hoping to see it for a few cards.
I get the appeal of grading, I have 250+ ready to go. But even at 10 bucks I thought it was ridiculous to send 10k in cards away for 12 months. So haven’t subbed for years.
This is not a new issue but as long as collectors are addicted to grading PSA will not change, they have a captive audience. But these things always swing back the other way, I will wait the cycle out.
@80sOPC said:
I get the appeal of grading, I have 250+ ready to go. But even at 10 bucks I thought it was ridiculous to send 10k in cards away for 12 months. So haven’t subbed for years.
This is not a new issue but as long as collectors are addicted to grading PSA will not change, they have a captive audience. But these things always swing back the other way, I will wait the cycle out.
I thought this way too when grading prices were spiking, but with increasing wages nationwide, new lease costs, and just about the rising cost of everything due to inflation, I highly doubt there will be a return to sub $10 fees.
34% gem rate. My subs prior to this were 70%+. Hopefully the football and baseball subs aren't dealt the same fate. Currently in assembly and qa2. These cards were barely worth anything since it took > 1yr but now in 9's they might pay for the grading fee. Win some, lose some...
Edit: Well, I priced these out just now. The cards literally are not worth the grading fees in sum total and have lost >66% of their value from when they were sent in. I also was just 54% correct on my grade predictions which is a huge disparity from normal. I was either having a bad week when I picked these or I just don't know how to grade this issue.
I've done all versions of sports card collecting - player master sets, pack runs, HOF sets, etc. - seeking the highest PSA grades possible for each. A couple years ago I started collecting jersey patch cards from one particular set, and I decided I was going to hunt without ANY grade expectation in mind - might pick up a graded one here or there but at the end they were all going to be displayed ungraded.
I have to tell you - this one little sub-collection has become my favorite part of card collecting BY FAR. There's no stress about dealing with grading companies. No stress over something being undergraded. Much less shipping to and fro. Much less cost overall. And it's FUN.
I highly recommend trying a fully raw card project if you haven't in awhile. It's making me rethink the other 95% of how I collect.
@thehallmark - I used to do the topps heritage sets for several years. Looking to fill it out with all of the variations and short prints and occasionally pull a nice auto. Then build the chrome subsets. It was $65 for a box and I had a blast doing it. Much of what I grade is used to flip so I can fund my PC. Unfortunately this latest sub was a loss in the near-term and won't fund anything but humiliation and self-doubt.
Another value ultra modern popped and again, I must've been high on the brown liquor when I looked at these. Good news is, I have two more subs from the same shipment so I can have this disappointment two more times! 41% gem rate when expecting ~70% and I was only correct on 47% of the grades on this sub.
Grades popped today on my 32 card value modern.
arrived - 01/13/21
entered - 03/12/21
grading - not sure, around October 2021
Assembly - 02/23
QA1 - basically skipped right to QA2, I didn't even notice it in QA1
QA2 - 02/27/22
Grades - 03/05/22
Not sure what to make of these grades. They are all over the map. It's been so long and my memory isn't great, that I'm confused by many grades, but I'm just taking as I forgot what the cards were really like.
In particular.
Trison MKenzie refractors - 10, 6,10, 6 - very odd. Guessing maybe surface scratches on the 6's ?
was hoping for 10's and expecting 9's on these.
NM7 2011 Topps Chrome 173 Freddie Freeman Card
NM/MT 8 2001 Topps Traded T99 Ichiro/Albert Pujols Card
Was expecting 7's on these
MINT 9 1984 Topps 280 Eric Dickerson Card
MINT 9 1992 Bowman 302 Mariano Rivera Card
And finally was expecting 9's on the 1981 topps other than the Raines rc, that one I was thinking a 7. Pretty wild how different the grades are than what my expectations were, but again, at least a couple were 2 grades higher than what I was expecting.
1 1 56912828 GEM MINT 10 2016 Topps Chrome 114 Aaron Nola Prism Refractor Card
2 1 56912829 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 2016 Bowman Chrome Prospects BCP249 Triston McKenzie Purple Refractor Card
3 1 56912830 GEM MINT 10 2017 Bowman Chrome Mini BCP118 Triston McKenzie Bowman Prospects-Black Shimmer Refractor Card
4 1 56912831 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 2017 Bowman Prospect Autographs TM Triston McKenzie Chrome-Refractor Card
5 1 56912832 MINT 9 2015 Bowman Chrome Draft Pick Autograph Bcajhi Juan Hillman Purple Refractor Card
6 1 56912833 GEM MINT 10 2013 Bowman Chrome Draft Picks & Prospects Top Prospects TP-14 Max Fried Green Refractor Card
7 1 56912834 MINT 9 2016 Bowman Draft BDC68 Shane Bieber Chrome-Refractor Card
8 1 56912835 MINT 9 2016 Bowman Draft BDC120 Ian Anderson Chrome-Refractor Card
9 1 56912836 GEM MINT 10 2016 Topps Chrome Youth Impact YI-8 Trea Turner Card
10 1 56912837 MINT 9 2012 Bowman Prospects BP86 Gerrit Cole International Card
11 1 56912838 MINT 9 2013 Topps Chrome 210 Gerrit Cole Pitching-Refractor Card
12 1 56912839 NEAR MINT 7 2014 Bowman Draft Bowman Black Autograph Bbctt Trea Turner Card
13 1 56912840 NEAR MINT 7 2011 Topps Chrome 173 Freddie Freeman Card
14 1 56912841 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2001 Topps Traded T99 Ichiro/Albert Pujols Card
15 1 56912842 GEM MINT 10 2013 Topps Update US233 Anthony Rendon Card
16 1 56912843 GEM MINT 10 2014 Topps Update US26 Mookie Betts Batting Card
17 1 56912844 MINT 9 2014 Topps Update US26 Mookie Betts Batting Card
18 1 56912845 MINT 9 1992 Bowman 302 Mariano Rivera Card
19 1 56912846 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 540 Mike Schmidt Card
20 1 56912847 NEAR MINT 7 1981 Topps 560 Joe Morgan Card
21 1 56912848 NEAR MINT 7 1981 Topps 515 Robin Yount Card
22 1 56912849 NEAR MINT 7 1981 Topps 261 Rickey Henderson Card
23 1 56912850 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1981 Topps 479 Expos Future Stars Tim Raines/Roberto Ramos/Bobby Pate Card
24 1 56912851 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 347 Harold Baines Card
25 1 56912852 MINT 9 2008 Topps Update & Highlights UH240 Clayton Kershaw Card
26 1 56912853 GEM MINT 10 2008 Topps Update & Highlights UH280 Max Scherzer Card
27 1 56912854 GEM MINT 10 2012 Topps 165 Russell Wilson Passing-Stands Visible Card
28 1 56912855 GEM MINT 10 2012 Topps 165 Russell Wilson Passing-Stands Visible Card
29 1 56912856 MINT 9 1984 Topps 280 Eric Dickerson Card
30 1 56912857 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2017 Panini Ascension 136 Donovan Mitchell Ball in Right Hand Card
31 1 56912858 GEM MINT 10 2016 Panini Donruss Optic 157 Jamal Murray Card
32 1 56912859 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1981 Topps 75 Kevin McHale East Card
Here is the 81 Rickey for reference. Unfortunately it is the only one I have a pre grading picture of.
Jeff
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
@76collector said:
Grades popped today on my 32 card value modern.
arrived - 01/13/21
entered - 03/12/21
grading - not sure, around October 2021
Assembly - 02/23
QA1 - basically skipped right to QA2, I didn't even notice it in QA1
QA2 - 02/27/22
Grades - 03/05/22
Not sure what to make of these grades. They are all over the map. It's been so long and my memory isn't great, that I'm confused by many grades, but I'm just taking as I forgot what the cards were really like.
Looks like I'm a day or so behind you....I have a Value (vintage) of HOF football cards that went to QA2 - 2/28/22. These were all broken out of BVG slabs so I'll be curious how they cross. If like the last sub about 1.5 grades below on average :-(
Jeff, Maybe the 7 is due to print snow on Rickey's neck. I'd avoid sending in any pre-1990 cards with shiny new cards in the same submission group. Next to the shiny high tech modern cards, the original paper cards look like crap and the grader is probably snow blind from the refractors.
@gemint said:
Jeff, Maybe the 7 is due to print snow on Rickey's neck. I'd avoid sending in any pre-1990 cards with shiny new cards in the same submission group. Next to the shiny high tech modern cards, the original paper cards look like crap and the grader is probably snow blind from the refractors.
I was thinking the same thing honestly. Whenever I've mixed chrome cards with older card board stock cards, I've had bad results on the older cards. I noticed that snow on Rickey's neck as well. It was the only flaw that I remember seeing in that card, so I agree there also. Beautiful card IMO, but might have been docked 2 or 3 grades for that print flaw.
Jeff
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
After waiting a year my 23 card Value Vintage football sub has shipped. These are 23 cards that were all previously graded by Beckett Vintage Grading that I broke out of their cases and sent in to PSA. Why? Well as it has been said before generally PSA cards sell faster and show more value than Beckett. I agree with that if the cards are both carrying the same grade but in my case with this sub the value dropped big time. I understand how a person can send a card in that he thinks may be a 9 and it's really a 7 but these cards were previously graded by another reputable 3rd party grading company and I just don't understand how this is possible.
A few examples:
1957 Topps - Frank Gifford graded BVG 8 - came back PSA 5
1952 Bowman Small - Dante Lavelli graded BVG 8 - came back PSA 4
1958 Topps - Cleveland Browns Team card graded BVG 7 - came back PSA 3
1966 Topps - Joe Namath graded BVG 7 - came back PSA 5
1954 Bowman - Otto Graham graded BVG 5.5 - came back PSA 3MK ( I thought they stopped the qualifier grades)
The rest of the cards came back mostly 2 grades lower, only one card in the bunch came back with the same grade as it received with BVG. One even came back N8 miscut that previously was graded BVG 6.
So, in my opinion sending vintage cards in for grading is just a crap shoot with PSA. There should be no way two grading companies look at the same card and come up with grades that are 3 and 4 points different from each other. When this happens it most certainly would have been better to stay with Beckett.
The rest of my Beckett graded cards will stay as they are and from now on the only way I'll get a PSA graded card is when I buy it that way. These cards were only $12 each to grade, I can't imagine how it would feel to get a sub back like this with today's prices.
That does seem excessive. I'm not sure what Beckett's grading standards are at all, but how are they as many as 4 grades different than PSA? I'd love to see what those cards look like.
@handyman said:
This is a great example why Beckett cards sell for less.
As simple as that.
Next time when you Buy a BVG 8 pay PSA 5 prices for it. And so on.
Sorry, but I disagree based on other subs I've had where I sent previously graded Beckett cards in for PSA. Many came back the same or .5-1.5 less...nothing like this. If I could buy BVG 8 graded HOFers for PSA 5 prices I would do that all day
I do know BVG grades "softer" than Beckett does; I believe they are two different standards even. I'd always known BVG was 1-2 notches lower, but more than 2 seems pretty steep.
Go back to 2002 on these boards and the discussion was taking place even then about how BVG is simply softer than Beckett grading--they did this to try and attract more vintage submissions.
wolfbear Posts: 2,826 ✭✭✭December 6, 2002 10:41AM
This is just another disgusting aspect of BVG.
Since hardly anyone submits vintage cards to Beckett anymore,
and since the BVGs are chucked in with the previously graded BGSs in the pop reports,
cards that once would have been graded 7 or 8 by BGS,
now become "one of one" BVG 9s.
Pity the fools paying SMR 9 prices for these cards,
and a plague of locusts upon the sellers who misrepresent the cards as such,
for these sellers are actually no better than the crooks selling PRO graded cards while quoting SMR prices and PSA pops.
"...life is but a dream."
Used to working on HOF SS Baseballs--Now just '67 Sox Stickers and anything Boston related.
@ejguru said:
I do know BVG grades "softer" than Beckett does; I believe they are two different standards even. I'd always known BVG was 1-2 notches lower, but more than 2 seems pretty steep.
Go back to 2002 on these boards and the discussion was taking place even then about how BVG is simply softer than Beckett grading--they did this to try and attract more vintage submissions.
wolfbear Posts: 2,826 ✭✭✭December 6, 2002 10:41AM
This is just another disgusting aspect of BVG.
Since hardly anyone submits vintage cards to Beckett anymore,
and since the BVGs are chucked in with the previously graded BGSs in the pop reports,
cards that once would have been graded 7 or 8 by BGS,
now become "one of one" BVG 9s.
Pity the fools paying SMR 9 prices for these cards,
and a plague of locusts upon the sellers who misrepresent the cards as such,
for these sellers are actually no better than the crooks selling PRO graded cards while quoting SMR prices and PSA pops.
Ejguru
I believe you are talking about BCCG which are Beckett Collector Club Grading which is cheaper and does in fact grade lower than BGS and BVG. BVG is simply the service for cards prior to 1981 where BGS is after 1981.
No--BCCG is NOT the same as BVG. BVG is a Beckett product meant to grade vintage (pre 1981) cards with more care (read:easier). BVG was known even back then to give softer grades than Beckett. BCCG is totally different company with even more lax grading standards than BVG.
"...life is but a dream."
Used to working on HOF SS Baseballs--Now just '67 Sox Stickers and anything Boston related.
TAKEN FROM A POST...
What is bccg grading? “BCCG-graded cards (Beckett Collectors Club Grading) are completely separate and vastly different from the premium BGS- or BVG-graded cards. … As a result, BCCG-graded cards provide an eye-catching secondary market alternative to other graded card products, reaching a wider audience of fans and collectors.
Is BCCG as good as PSA? A BCCG 10 is equivalent to a BGS 9 or a PSA 9, so if he is getting 30% to cross over to a PSA 10, that is pretty darn good. But as he says, you should buy the card and not the holder, especially when dealing with BCCG. A BCCG 10 is NOT equivalent to a BGS 9 or PSA 9.
Is BCCG card grading good? NO! BCCG has a completely different grading scale. A BCCG 8 is “Excellent or better” while a BGS 8 is “near mint to mint”.
Is BCCG grading still available? It turns out that Beckett has discontinued their BCCG grading service and now only offers regular Beckett grading.
"...life is but a dream."
Used to working on HOF SS Baseballs--Now just '67 Sox Stickers and anything Boston related.
I didn't even know Beckett had a discount brand like this.
So how do true BGS grades typically map over to PSA? I have 4 BGS cards I bought that are all 9.5s (with either auto grades of 9 or 10) that I would love to have in PSA slabs some day... but not at the expense of multiple grade points.
@envoy982 said: @jayman - not sure if modern was ever $15 but I just looked and my Feb '21 subs were $12 for modern and $15 for ultra
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Was 20 for modern and 25 ultra all March 2021 before they closed. Just an fyi. Sub mins went 20 items down to 10 items.
They are 2 > @MarshallFaulk28 said:
I didn't even know Beckett had a discount brand like this.
So how do true BGS grades typically map over to PSA? I have 4 BGS cards I bought that are all 9.5s (with either auto grades of 9 or 10) that I would love to have in PSA slabs some day... but not at the expense of multiple grade points.
For what it's worth, in my experience cracking out BGS 9.5 cards, with all 9.5 subgrades, they have all come back PSA 10's. I also make sure the corners have no visible touches prior to purchasing. FYI these were all year 2000 and up.
I think BGS (NOT BVG and CERTAINLY NOT BCCG) is more comparable to PSA. That said, having had a couple of decades plus experience reading these boards, collecting, breaking slabs and resubmitting, I'd be very hesitant to jump in the crossover game. I'd strongly consider the minimum grade clause (not sure that is still out there), whereby PSA would not crack out a competitor slab and seal in PSA unless your requested minimum grade would be met. If you breaking the slab and resubmitting "raw," there's just so much chance for regret, losing a full grade or more.
"...life is but a dream."
Used to working on HOF SS Baseballs--Now just '67 Sox Stickers and anything Boston related.
For what it's worth, in my experience cracking out BGS 9.5 cards, with all 9.5 subgrades, they have all come back PSA 10's. I also make sure the corners have no visible touches prior to purchasing. FYI these were all year 2000 and up.
Ah, thanks. On mine, I have a range of mostly 9.5 sub grades, but some 10s, and two 9s. These are also modern cards (2007 and later).
Is it better to crack them out yourself rather than use their crossover service and let them do it?
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Anyone else had orders sit in the shipping stage for more than a day or two. Had two orders pop last Friday that still haven’t shipped. I don’t think I have ever had an order sit in shipping for a whole day. They usually ship the same day grades pop.
Anyone remember how the pricing was for the different service levels prior to the backlog of cards?
How much was a value submission per card?
I was not collecting or involved in any grading back then.
"Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens" Jimi Hendrix.
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@Dgilbert they were $10 and $12. At the end i believe it was $15 and $17 at the end for value. Regular was $20 for a long time.
Thanks..
Crazy increase, must be tough on card flippers and dealers to make a go of the card business..sad.
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My Value orders that were shipped first week of March 2020 were $12 for Modern and $20 for Ultra Modern, was it ever $15 for Value Modern?
Before that it was $12 for Modern and $15 for Ultra Modern (that pricing began Oct 1 2020).
Regular was $50 at that time it shut down. Economy was $20, but that was suspended well before on Oct 1 2020.
Through 2019 value wasn’t split into era and you had to submit 100 cards minimum. Cost was $8/card. You would have your cards back in 2-3 months.
How times have changed. Hard to imagine them encouraging a 100 card minimum any time soon or being able to come anywhere near $8 a card.
@jayman - not sure if modern was ever $15 but I just looked and my Feb '21 subs were $12 for modern and $15 for ultra
Mine is
Deal not modern
I had another"deal" received and entered the same time that has been in grading for about 4-5months now. So yeah Im concerned. I called but they said nothing is wrong. When should I think something is wrong? 2 years? I have the cards declared value at $9,800.00 on the PSA form.
@handyman are they still worth that? My subs that are moving through assembly and QA are barely worth the grading fees now. A bunch of prospect rookies in basketball that I don't think even play any longer. Baseball that won't be played and football that has spanned 2 Super Bowl's.
The good ol' days! I was sending in 300+ cards and getting $4/card with "no guaranteed turnaround" but got them back in a month back in 2007
Similar story here, but with packs. I called a couple weeks ago about them and was told the same. No kidding they just went to grading a few days ago.
sent 10/09/20 received 11/18/20
I've also noticed a slow down in QA2. My past orders usually blew through QA2 in a day, but it's been 3 days now. Someone else noted a slow down in orders being shipped after grades pop. So, from what I can tell there are some log jams in multiple different areas at the moment.
Jeff
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
"are they still worth that"
Yeah I think they are honestly worth more than 9800.00
Was a lot of high end vintage rookies and Pack pull mid 60s cards. Easily worth more than my declared value.
I completely agree......When should we think something is wrong????? I honestly believe if you have cards there for a calendar year you should be receiving an email specifically with the expected date these will be completed. They should be able to tell you within a 30 day window of when the cards will be graded. They know exactly where they are at with the backlog. I fear subs like Handyman has will easily see 2023. Some of this is just math. If the backlog is 5 million currently this will take at least 10 more months to get cleared. I've heard numbers north of 5 million. They are grading something like 800,000 cards a month. Remember the backlog is just that....it's not new subs that they are still receiving at a decent rate. I seriously don't know what to make of any of this.
I have grown tired of all of this. My wife wants a new house. May sell everything and take up some other hobby where I am not left to deal with embarrassingly poor customer service and wait times to enjoy it.
So the PSA website has had value modern and quarterly specials at 99% done from February 2021 for the past 3 weeks, but the CTD’s barely ever move. This info just becomes another source of frustration.
Value Modern arrived 01/30 entered 03/25 just went to assembly
Been in QA 2 all week. It's like they can't get out of their own way. Every step of the process continues to take longer and longer. To be honest I can't remember ever in my life being more dissatisfied with a company. Unfortunately, like @rexvos this likely drives me away from collecting altogether, but for absolute certain I won't be sending any cards to PSA for years. What an absolute cluster this last couple years has been.
Jeff
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
Beat still my heart it went into assembly today.
You have to be historically bad to get me to consider stop doing what I have done for 40 years.
Hobby existed long before the obsession with grading. Not trying to be a jerk but how did grading become the hobby?
I will sub cards when things open back up but am having a blast collecting raw sets and singles.
Don’t quit, revisit how you collect. If you love cards no cleaner way to view them then a CSI and you can even god forbid touch them.
Grading does/did add some excitement to the hobby while adding additional protection to the cards. I collected many years before I bought my first graded card and it took me a few additional years before I started submitting cards for grading. The vast majority of my graded cards are part of my PC. PSA has never had stellar customer service but it has some how gotten worse over time. It may slow me down as far as collecting but probably won’t stop me. I definitely understand peoples frustrations with PSA. I probably will not submit as often if at all. May just keep my cards raw or Dabble with submissions with another company. Who knows. At any rate my modern submission entered 4/1/21 has hit assembly. Not sure when the up-charge email is sent but was hoping to see it for a few cards.
I get the appeal of grading, I have 250+ ready to go. But even at 10 bucks I thought it was ridiculous to send 10k in cards away for 12 months. So haven’t subbed for years.
This is not a new issue but as long as collectors are addicted to grading PSA will not change, they have a captive audience. But these things always swing back the other way, I will wait the cycle out.
When it hits QA2 and before it goes to shipping, that is the window when an upcharges email is sent.
I thought this way too when grading prices were spiking, but with increasing wages nationwide, new lease costs, and just about the rising cost of everything due to inflation, I highly doubt there will be a return to sub $10 fees.
100 Card Value Modern Order
Arrived -22 Feb 2021
Loaded - 2 Apr 2021
Grading. - 2 Apr 2021
Moved to assembly - 1 Mar 2022
Moved to QA1 - 4 Apr 2022
Only 3 days in assembly. Pleasant surprise
5 card economy allocation
Arrived 1/25/22
Entered 2/1/22
Went in to QA 1 yesterday
I see the "new" orders are not really hitting FIFO either. My 5 card economy from late December (the first event) is still stuck in grading.
41 card value ultra basketball arrived 2/13/21, entered 4/7/21, grading 10/29/21, assembly 2/4/22, qa1 2/26/22, qa2 3/1/22, grades 3/4/22.
34% gem rate. My subs prior to this were 70%+. Hopefully the football and baseball subs aren't dealt the same fate. Currently in assembly and qa2. These cards were barely worth anything since it took > 1yr but now in 9's they might pay for the grading fee. Win some, lose some...
Edit: Well, I priced these out just now. The cards literally are not worth the grading fees in sum total and have lost >66% of their value from when they were sent in. I also was just 54% correct on my grade predictions which is a huge disparity from normal. I was either having a bad week when I picked these or I just don't know how to grade this issue.
I've done all versions of sports card collecting - player master sets, pack runs, HOF sets, etc. - seeking the highest PSA grades possible for each. A couple years ago I started collecting jersey patch cards from one particular set, and I decided I was going to hunt without ANY grade expectation in mind - might pick up a graded one here or there but at the end they were all going to be displayed ungraded.
I have to tell you - this one little sub-collection has become my favorite part of card collecting BY FAR. There's no stress about dealing with grading companies. No stress over something being undergraded. Much less shipping to and fro. Much less cost overall. And it's FUN.
I highly recommend trying a fully raw card project if you haven't in awhile. It's making me rethink the other 95% of how I collect.
@thehallmark - I used to do the topps heritage sets for several years. Looking to fill it out with all of the variations and short prints and occasionally pull a nice auto. Then build the chrome subsets. It was $65 for a box and I had a blast doing it. Much of what I grade is used to flip so I can fund my PC. Unfortunately this latest sub was a loss in the near-term and won't fund anything but humiliation and self-doubt.
Another value ultra modern popped and again, I must've been high on the brown liquor when I looked at these. Good news is, I have two more subs from the same shipment so I can have this disappointment two more times! 41% gem rate when expecting ~70% and I was only correct on 47% of the grades on this sub.
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Was 20 for modern and 25 ultra all March 2021 before they closed. Just an fyi. Sub mins went 20 items down to 10 items.
They are 2 months ahead on ultra right now. Modern is languishing. I suggest looking at the non sports sector for the cause.
I have mid April 2021 entered Ultra stuff popping. Modern Jan / Feb 2021 entered languishes.
Methinks they are going to reopen Ultra first perhaps using that same allocation system to start to prevent a new deluge.
By the numbers that backlog is down to 2 months work.
Grades popped today on my 32 card value modern.
arrived - 01/13/21
entered - 03/12/21
grading - not sure, around October 2021
Assembly - 02/23
QA1 - basically skipped right to QA2, I didn't even notice it in QA1
QA2 - 02/27/22
Grades - 03/05/22
Not sure what to make of these grades. They are all over the map. It's been so long and my memory isn't great, that I'm confused by many grades, but I'm just taking as I forgot what the cards were really like.
In particular.
Trison MKenzie refractors - 10, 6,10, 6 - very odd. Guessing maybe surface scratches on the 6's ?
was hoping for 10's and expecting 9's on these.
NM7 2011 Topps Chrome 173 Freddie Freeman Card
NM/MT 8 2001 Topps Traded T99 Ichiro/Albert Pujols Card
Was expecting 7's on these
MINT 9 1984 Topps 280 Eric Dickerson Card
MINT 9 1992 Bowman 302 Mariano Rivera Card
And finally was expecting 9's on the 1981 topps other than the Raines rc, that one I was thinking a 7. Pretty wild how different the grades are than what my expectations were, but again, at least a couple were 2 grades higher than what I was expecting.
1 1 56912828 GEM MINT 10 2016 Topps Chrome 114 Aaron Nola Prism Refractor Card
2 1 56912829 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 2016 Bowman Chrome Prospects BCP249 Triston McKenzie Purple Refractor Card
3 1 56912830 GEM MINT 10 2017 Bowman Chrome Mini BCP118 Triston McKenzie Bowman Prospects-Black Shimmer Refractor Card
4 1 56912831 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 2017 Bowman Prospect Autographs TM Triston McKenzie Chrome-Refractor Card
5 1 56912832 MINT 9 2015 Bowman Chrome Draft Pick Autograph Bcajhi Juan Hillman Purple Refractor Card
6 1 56912833 GEM MINT 10 2013 Bowman Chrome Draft Picks & Prospects Top Prospects TP-14 Max Fried Green Refractor Card
7 1 56912834 MINT 9 2016 Bowman Draft BDC68 Shane Bieber Chrome-Refractor Card
8 1 56912835 MINT 9 2016 Bowman Draft BDC120 Ian Anderson Chrome-Refractor Card
9 1 56912836 GEM MINT 10 2016 Topps Chrome Youth Impact YI-8 Trea Turner Card
10 1 56912837 MINT 9 2012 Bowman Prospects BP86 Gerrit Cole International Card
11 1 56912838 MINT 9 2013 Topps Chrome 210 Gerrit Cole Pitching-Refractor Card
12 1 56912839 NEAR MINT 7 2014 Bowman Draft Bowman Black Autograph Bbctt Trea Turner Card
13 1 56912840 NEAR MINT 7 2011 Topps Chrome 173 Freddie Freeman Card
14 1 56912841 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2001 Topps Traded T99 Ichiro/Albert Pujols Card
15 1 56912842 GEM MINT 10 2013 Topps Update US233 Anthony Rendon Card
16 1 56912843 GEM MINT 10 2014 Topps Update US26 Mookie Betts Batting Card
17 1 56912844 MINT 9 2014 Topps Update US26 Mookie Betts Batting Card
18 1 56912845 MINT 9 1992 Bowman 302 Mariano Rivera Card
19 1 56912846 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 540 Mike Schmidt Card
20 1 56912847 NEAR MINT 7 1981 Topps 560 Joe Morgan Card
21 1 56912848 NEAR MINT 7 1981 Topps 515 Robin Yount Card
22 1 56912849 NEAR MINT 7 1981 Topps 261 Rickey Henderson Card
23 1 56912850 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1981 Topps 479 Expos Future Stars Tim Raines/Roberto Ramos/Bobby Pate Card
24 1 56912851 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 347 Harold Baines Card
25 1 56912852 MINT 9 2008 Topps Update & Highlights UH240 Clayton Kershaw Card
26 1 56912853 GEM MINT 10 2008 Topps Update & Highlights UH280 Max Scherzer Card
27 1 56912854 GEM MINT 10 2012 Topps 165 Russell Wilson Passing-Stands Visible Card
28 1 56912855 GEM MINT 10 2012 Topps 165 Russell Wilson Passing-Stands Visible Card
29 1 56912856 MINT 9 1984 Topps 280 Eric Dickerson Card
30 1 56912857 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2017 Panini Ascension 136 Donovan Mitchell Ball in Right Hand Card
31 1 56912858 GEM MINT 10 2016 Panini Donruss Optic 157 Jamal Murray Card
32 1 56912859 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1981 Topps 75 Kevin McHale East Card
Here is the 81 Rickey for reference. Unfortunately it is the only one I have a pre grading picture of.
Jeff
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
Looks like I'm a day or so behind you....I have a Value (vintage) of HOF football cards that went to QA2 - 2/28/22. These were all broken out of BVG slabs so I'll be curious how they cross. If like the last sub about 1.5 grades below on average :-(
NFL HOF Set
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/publishedset/398345
Jeff, Maybe the 7 is due to print snow on Rickey's neck. I'd avoid sending in any pre-1990 cards with shiny new cards in the same submission group. Next to the shiny high tech modern cards, the original paper cards look like crap and the grader is probably snow blind from the refractors.
I was thinking the same thing honestly. Whenever I've mixed chrome cards with older card board stock cards, I've had bad results on the older cards. I noticed that snow on Rickey's neck as well. It was the only flaw that I remember seeing in that card, so I agree there also. Beautiful card IMO, but might have been docked 2 or 3 grades for that print flaw.
Jeff
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
After waiting a year my 23 card Value Vintage football sub has shipped. These are 23 cards that were all previously graded by Beckett Vintage Grading that I broke out of their cases and sent in to PSA. Why? Well as it has been said before generally PSA cards sell faster and show more value than Beckett. I agree with that if the cards are both carrying the same grade but in my case with this sub the value dropped big time. I understand how a person can send a card in that he thinks may be a 9 and it's really a 7 but these cards were previously graded by another reputable 3rd party grading company and I just don't understand how this is possible.
A few examples:
1957 Topps - Frank Gifford graded BVG 8 - came back PSA 5
1952 Bowman Small - Dante Lavelli graded BVG 8 - came back PSA 4
1958 Topps - Cleveland Browns Team card graded BVG 7 - came back PSA 3
1966 Topps - Joe Namath graded BVG 7 - came back PSA 5
1954 Bowman - Otto Graham graded BVG 5.5 - came back PSA 3MK ( I thought they stopped the qualifier grades)
The rest of the cards came back mostly 2 grades lower, only one card in the bunch came back with the same grade as it received with BVG. One even came back N8 miscut that previously was graded BVG 6.
So, in my opinion sending vintage cards in for grading is just a crap shoot with PSA. There should be no way two grading companies look at the same card and come up with grades that are 3 and 4 points different from each other. When this happens it most certainly would have been better to stay with Beckett.
The rest of my Beckett graded cards will stay as they are and from now on the only way I'll get a PSA graded card is when I buy it that way. These cards were only $12 each to grade, I can't imagine how it would feel to get a sub back like this with today's prices.
NFL HOF Set
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/publishedset/398345
This is a great example why Beckett cards sell for less.
As simple as that.
Next time when you Buy a BVG 8 pay PSA 5 prices for it. And so on.
That does seem excessive. I'm not sure what Beckett's grading standards are at all, but how are they as many as 4 grades different than PSA? I'd love to see what those cards look like.
Sorry, but I disagree based on other subs I've had where I sent previously graded Beckett cards in for PSA. Many came back the same or .5-1.5 less...nothing like this. If I could buy BVG 8 graded HOFers for PSA 5 prices I would do that all day
NFL HOF Set
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/publishedset/398345
I do know BVG grades "softer" than Beckett does; I believe they are two different standards even. I'd always known BVG was 1-2 notches lower, but more than 2 seems pretty steep.
Go back to 2002 on these boards and the discussion was taking place even then about how BVG is simply softer than Beckett grading--they did this to try and attract more vintage submissions.
wolfbear Posts: 2,826 ✭✭✭December 6, 2002 10:41AM
This is just another disgusting aspect of BVG.
Since hardly anyone submits vintage cards to Beckett anymore,
and since the BVGs are chucked in with the previously graded BGSs in the pop reports,
cards that once would have been graded 7 or 8 by BGS,
now become "one of one" BVG 9s.
Pity the fools paying SMR 9 prices for these cards,
and a plague of locusts upon the sellers who misrepresent the cards as such,
for these sellers are actually no better than the crooks selling PRO graded cards while quoting SMR prices and PSA pops.
Used to working on HOF SS Baseballs--Now just '67 Sox Stickers and anything Boston related.
Ejguru
I believe you are talking about BCCG which are Beckett Collector Club Grading which is cheaper and does in fact grade lower than BGS and BVG. BVG is simply the service for cards prior to 1981 where BGS is after 1981.
NFL HOF Set
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/publishedset/398345
DMasci
I believe Ejguru is correct. BCCG is a joke service that unknowledgeable buyers often over pay for and grades cards like EX or better an 8.
No--BCCG is NOT the same as BVG. BVG is a Beckett product meant to grade vintage (pre 1981) cards with more care (read:easier). BVG was known even back then to give softer grades than Beckett. BCCG is totally different company with even more lax grading standards than BVG.
Used to working on HOF SS Baseballs--Now just '67 Sox Stickers and anything Boston related.
TAKEN FROM A POST...
What is bccg grading? “BCCG-graded cards (Beckett Collectors Club Grading) are completely separate and vastly different from the premium BGS- or BVG-graded cards. … As a result, BCCG-graded cards provide an eye-catching secondary market alternative to other graded card products, reaching a wider audience of fans and collectors.
Is BCCG as good as PSA? A BCCG 10 is equivalent to a BGS 9 or a PSA 9, so if he is getting 30% to cross over to a PSA 10, that is pretty darn good. But as he says, you should buy the card and not the holder, especially when dealing with BCCG. A BCCG 10 is NOT equivalent to a BGS 9 or PSA 9.
Is BCCG card grading good? NO! BCCG has a completely different grading scale. A BCCG 8 is “Excellent or better” while a BGS 8 is “near mint to mint”.
Is BCCG grading still available? It turns out that Beckett has discontinued their BCCG grading service and now only offers regular Beckett grading.
Used to working on HOF SS Baseballs--Now just '67 Sox Stickers and anything Boston related.
I didn't even know Beckett had a discount brand like this.
So how do true BGS grades typically map over to PSA? I have 4 BGS cards I bought that are all 9.5s (with either auto grades of 9 or 10) that I would love to have in PSA slabs some day... but not at the expense of multiple grade points.
For what it's worth, in my experience cracking out BGS 9.5 cards, with all 9.5 subgrades, they have all come back PSA 10's. I also make sure the corners have no visible touches prior to purchasing. FYI these were all year 2000 and up.
I think BGS (NOT BVG and CERTAINLY NOT BCCG) is more comparable to PSA. That said, having had a couple of decades plus experience reading these boards, collecting, breaking slabs and resubmitting, I'd be very hesitant to jump in the crossover game. I'd strongly consider the minimum grade clause (not sure that is still out there), whereby PSA would not crack out a competitor slab and seal in PSA unless your requested minimum grade would be met. If you breaking the slab and resubmitting "raw," there's just so much chance for regret, losing a full grade or more.
Used to working on HOF SS Baseballs--Now just '67 Sox Stickers and anything Boston related.
Ah, thanks. On mine, I have a range of mostly 9.5 sub grades, but some 10s, and two 9s. These are also modern cards (2007 and later).
Is it better to crack them out yourself rather than use their crossover service and let them do it?