I purchased this 2*4 Missouri from a poster here on eBay. It had been cracked out and arrived in a Coin World slab with the original OGH label (PCGS VF30) accompanying the coin - perfect for my Dansco 7094. The PCGS certification number checked out but there's no picture available for it. While a nice coin, I question its originality as I prefer a more crusty, 'original' appearance with contrasting two-tone or circ cameo toning like the PCGS VF30 (no 24 star) Missouri below.
@TomB said:
If you were the immediate underbidder on that 1909-S then you really didn't bid all that much over MS64/CAC money for the coin based upon the most recent auction data. Regardless, the winner appears to have secured a nice coin. Had you seen it in-hand? I ask because I am wondering what PCGS might have been thinking with respect to the original grade (if there are slight hairlines, dullish luster, whatever...).
Interesting. The coin went for about $1900 which is roughly CAC MS65 (as listed on their website). I had considered this coin myself but since I couldn't see it in hand I couldn't take plunge. I wonder now whether GC is allowing viewing. Since I live about 5 miles from them I've done it in the past but now...I don't know. I was lazy and didn't ask this time...
As to the gold sticker: yeah, they seem to be rare but all that says is, according to CAC, PCGS rarely under-grades a Barber quarter. I'm not sure why that makes people bid more there it is....
@TomB said:
If you were the immediate underbidder on that 1909-S then you really didn't bid all that much over MS64/CAC money for the coin based upon the most recent auction data. Regardless, the winner appears to have secured a nice coin. Had you seen it in-hand? I ask because I am wondering what PCGS might have been thinking with respect to the original grade (if there are slight hairlines, dullish luster, whatever...).
Interesting. The coin went for about $1900 which is roughly CAC MS65 (as listed on their website). I had considered this coin myself but since I couldn't see it in hand I couldn't take plunge. I wonder now whether GC is allowing viewing. Since I live about 5 miles from them I've done it in the past but now...I don't know. I was lazy and didn't ask this time...
As to the gold sticker: yeah, they seem to be rare but all that says is, according to CAC, PCGS rarely under-grades a Barber quarter. I'm not sure why that makes people bid more there it is....
The coin realized $2,075 after buyer's fee (~$50 less if paid by cash equivalent). Apparently, the price guides are a bit low on Barber coinage, per comments from those in the know here on the forum. That coin certainly looked at least MS64 to me (from the photos), and possibly better. In retrospect, I'd probably bid somewhat higher if given a second chance, but it's far from certain that increasing my bid on the order of 10% would have won the coin anyway.
@TomB said:
If you were the immediate underbidder on that 1909-S then you really didn't bid all that much over MS64/CAC money for the coin based upon the most recent auction data. Regardless, the winner appears to have secured a nice coin. Had you seen it in-hand? I ask because I am wondering what PCGS might have been thinking with respect to the original grade (if there are slight hairlines, dullish luster, whatever...).
Interesting. The coin went for about $1900 which is roughly CAC MS65 (as listed on their website). I had considered this coin myself but since I couldn't see it in hand I couldn't take plunge. I wonder now whether GC is allowing viewing. Since I live about 5 miles from them I've done it in the past but now...I don't know. I was lazy and didn't ask this time...
As to the gold sticker: yeah, they seem to be rare but all that says is, according to CAC, PCGS rarely under-grades a Barber quarter. I'm not sure why that makes people bid more there it is....
The coin realized $2,075 after buyer's fee (~$50 less if paid by cash equivalent). Apparently, the price guides are a bit low on Barber coinage, per comments from those in the know here on the forum. That coin certainly looked at least MS64 to me (from the photos), and possibly better. In retrospect, I'd probably bid somewhat higher if given a second chance, but it's far from certain that increasing my bid on the order of 10% would have won the coin anyway.
Well, whatever the case it looked like a great coin. I wish you had won it...then we could discuss once you got it in hand.
@Kliao said:
All very nice coins in OGH's. Are there any premiums to the coins if they are in OGH's?
I'm somewhat surprised you might ask that question as you have been around these boards a bit and have been quite active and consistently contributed to discussions. Regardless, it may just be my perception of what might or should be more commonly known since I have been around for decades and have lived through cycles, fads and TPG generations.
The OGH was retired 22-years ago and during much of its time in use the grading standards at the TPGs were just a hair tighter than they have been since and that has long led to the perception that a coin in an OGH may be conservatively graded. This perception has led to coins in OGHs to be regraded en masse and as the OGH has become more scarce, the desire to add one, two or a few to a collection has grown among many collectors.
So, are there premiums attached to coins in OGHs? Sometimes, but sometimes it is just liquidity that is attached and liquidity can certainly be of value.
@Kliao said:
All very nice coins in OGH's. Are there any premiums to the coins if they are in OGH's?
I'm somewhat surprised you might ask that question as you have been around these boards a bit and have been quite active and consistently contributed to discussions. Regardless, it may just be my perception of what might or should be more commonly known since I have been around for decades and have lived through cycles, fads and TPG generations.
The OGH was retired 22-years ago and during much of its time in use the grading standards at the TPGs were just a hair tighter than they have been since and that has long led to the perception that a coin in an OGH may be conservatively graded. This perception has led to coins in OGHs to be regraded en masse and as the OGH has become more scarce, the desire to add one, two or a few to a collection has grown among many collectors.
So, are there premiums attached to coins in OGHs? Sometimes, but sometimes it is just liquidity that is attached and liquidity can certainly be of value.
Great Info! Looking at PCGS's Museum of coin holders, there seem to be 4 different generations with green labels, 2.1, 2.2, 3.0, 3.1. Are all these considered OGH's?
I have been on the boards for just over a year and started getting into this when I was 7-8 years old. I could have come across something that could have answered my question but might have forgot or just didn't come across it as I am 15 now and need to focus on school also.
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@Kliao said:
All very nice coins in OGH's. Are there any premiums to the coins if they are in OGH's?
I'm somewhat surprised you might ask that question as you have been around these boards a bit and have been quite active and consistently contributed to discussions. Regardless, it may just be my perception of what might or should be more commonly known since I have been around for decades and have lived through cycles, fads and TPG generations.
The OGH was retired 22-years ago and during much of its time in use the grading standards at the TPGs were just a hair tighter than they have been since and that has long led to the perception that a coin in an OGH may be conservatively graded. This perception has led to coins in OGHs to be regraded en masse and as the OGH has become more scarce, the desire to add one, two or a few to a collection has grown among many collectors.
So, are there premiums attached to coins in OGHs? Sometimes, but sometimes it is just liquidity that is attached and liquidity can certainly be of value.
Great Info! Looking at PCGS's Museum of coin holders, there seem to be 4 different generations with green labels, 2.1, 2.2, 3.0, 3.1. Are all these considered OGH's?
I have been on the boards for just over a year and started getting into this when I was 7-8 years old. I could have come across something that could have answered my question but might have forgot or just didn't come across it as I am 15 now and need to focus on school also.
Please see my first post in the thread. To some people, OGH stands for "older generation holder" and can include almost anything. For the purposes of this thread, I was mainly interested in generation 3.X holders, but expanded it to include 2.X, including doilies.
EDIT: Most of the rattler (gen 1.X) holders also have green labels. A rare subset have white labels.
@Kliao said:
All very nice coins in OGH's. Are there any premiums to the coins if they are in OGH's?
I'm somewhat surprised you might ask that question as you have been around these boards a bit and have been quite active and consistently contributed to discussions. Regardless, it may just be my perception of what might or should be more commonly known since I have been around for decades and have lived through cycles, fads and TPG generations.
The OGH was retired 22-years ago and during much of its time in use the grading standards at the TPGs were just a hair tighter than they have been since and that has long led to the perception that a coin in an OGH may be conservatively graded. This perception has led to coins in OGHs to be regraded en masse and as the OGH has become more scarce, the desire to add one, two or a few to a collection has grown among many collectors.
So, are there premiums attached to coins in OGHs? Sometimes, but sometimes it is just liquidity that is attached and liquidity can certainly be of value.
Great Info! Looking at PCGS's Museum of coin holders, there seem to be 4 different generations with green labels, 2.1, 2.2, 3.0, 3.1. Are all these considered OGH's?
I have been on the boards for just over a year and started getting into this when I was 7-8 years old. I could have come across something that could have answered my question but might have forgot or just didn't come across it as I am 15 now and need to focus on school also.
Please see my first post in the thread. To some people, OGH stands for "older generation holder" and can include almost anything. For the purposes of this thread, I was mainly interested in generation 3.X holders, but expanded it to include 2.X, including doilies.
Oh. I thought OGH stands for 'old green holder' .This is a very nice thread and hope it keeps going.
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Heck, I think of OGH as "old green holder" myself, but other think "older generation holder" or even "original generation holder". It's all good and largely overlaps.
@TomB said:
Heck, I think of OGH as "old green holder" myself, but other think "older generation holder" or even "original generation holder". It's all good and largely overlaps.
For me, it stands for "old green holder" as well, and I really only covet generation 3.X in terms of what I collect. Was just pointing out that there is a fair amount of ambiguity depending on the context and the individual.
@TomB said:
Heck, I think of OGH as "old green holder" myself, but other think "older generation holder" or even "original generation holder". It's all good and largely overlaps.
For me, it stands for "old green holder" as well, and I really only covet generation 3.X in terms of what I collect. Was just pointing out that there is a fair amount of ambiguity depending on the context and the individual.
It's interesting and refreshing, though not entirely surprising, to read that you really enjoy the 3.X generation holders. Most folks seem to go nuts for the easily recognized rattlers, doilies or regencies and the OGH can sometimes take a backseat. For me, I find that the grading standards employed in the generation 2.X and 3.X holders matched most consistently with how I graded when they were in use and how I expect I still grade. Therefore, I am a big fan of these later holders, as well.
I had to search through the thread to see what was posted and what wasn't and it appears I had left off with the first of two Irish shillings. There is also pretty much a complete denomination set that goes with these coins and I can post those in the future, as well. Here is the second of the pair of shilling coins-
Okay, I guess I've killed this thread either with posting too much or with posting non-US coins (Canada, Ireland, England and Newfoundland). So, I'll post this US coin and I hope we can get rolling again. Otherwise, I should just pack it in and stop bludgeoning folks.
I've adored Barber half dollars for decades and one of the coins that flies under the radar of most non-hard core collectors is the 1898-O. It isn't a sexy date, though of course we (Barber collectors) all know it's tough, but to find them in mid-grade with uncleaned surfaces and good eye appeal is a pretty dang rare occurrence. Here is a more or less perfect EF-
@TomB , no need to apologize for posting great coins to this thread, wherever their country of origin. I think I speak for most people in saying thank you for keeping the thread alive by whatever means necessary!
Yes, I agree! 😍 we would not be
able to see such wonderful coins!
Maybe I have not posted this one before. (I had plenty before they got stolen, even had all kinds) now I have mostly Morgan's 🙂.
I won my first-ever 3C silver on GC last weekend, and the coin just arrived. It's a very nice type coin with pleasing toning, and excellent luster, strongest on the reverse. The only slight knock on the coin is some striking weakness on the date and stars.
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Lovely! Pic of the slab?
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I purchased this 2*4 Missouri from a poster here on eBay. It had been cracked out and arrived in a Coin World slab with the original OGH label (PCGS VF30) accompanying the coin - perfect for my Dansco 7094. The PCGS certification number checked out but there's no picture available for it. While a nice coin, I question its originality as I prefer a more crusty, 'original' appearance with contrasting two-tone or circ cameo toning like the PCGS VF30 (no 24 star) Missouri below.
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I just purchased my first OGH, so I can’t wait to post once it arrives! I can finally contribute!
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Interesting. The coin went for about $1900 which is roughly CAC MS65 (as listed on their website). I had considered this coin myself but since I couldn't see it in hand I couldn't take plunge. I wonder now whether GC is allowing viewing. Since I live about 5 miles from them I've done it in the past but now...I don't know. I was lazy and didn't ask this time...
As to the gold sticker: yeah, they seem to be rare but all that says is, according to CAC, PCGS rarely under-grades a Barber quarter. I'm not sure why that makes people bid more there it is....
jom
The coin realized $2,075 after buyer's fee (~$50 less if paid by cash equivalent). Apparently, the price guides are a bit low on Barber coinage, per comments from those in the know here on the forum. That coin certainly looked at least MS64 to me (from the photos), and possibly better. In retrospect, I'd probably bid somewhat higher if given a second chance, but it's far from certain that increasing my bid on the order of 10% would have won the coin anyway.
Well, whatever the case it looked like a great coin. I wish you had won it...then we could discuss once you got it in hand.
jom
There are some nice, solid, desirable coins in this thread!
Just arrived today; went down the commemorative rabbit hole awhile ago, and needed this one for series...nothing too special. Just fun.
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My first OGH! I see more in my future
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Okay I bid up for this but I like the cameo.
All very nice coins in OGH's. Are there any premiums to the coins if they are in OGH's?
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I'm somewhat surprised you might ask that question as you have been around these boards a bit and have been quite active and consistently contributed to discussions. Regardless, it may just be my perception of what might or should be more commonly known since I have been around for decades and have lived through cycles, fads and TPG generations.
The OGH was retired 22-years ago and during much of its time in use the grading standards at the TPGs were just a hair tighter than they have been since and that has long led to the perception that a coin in an OGH may be conservatively graded. This perception has led to coins in OGHs to be regraded en masse and as the OGH has become more scarce, the desire to add one, two or a few to a collection has grown among many collectors.
So, are there premiums attached to coins in OGHs? Sometimes, but sometimes it is just liquidity that is attached and liquidity can certainly be of value.
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Great Info! Looking at PCGS's Museum of coin holders, there seem to be 4 different generations with green labels, 2.1, 2.2, 3.0, 3.1. Are all these considered OGH's?
I have been on the boards for just over a year and started getting into this when I was 7-8 years old. I could have come across something that could have answered my question but might have forgot or just didn't come across it as I am 15 now and need to focus on school also.
Young Numismatist/collector
75 Positive BST transactions buying and selling with 45 members and counting!
instagram.com/klnumismatics
Please see my first post in the thread. To some people, OGH stands for "older generation holder" and can include almost anything. For the purposes of this thread, I was mainly interested in generation 3.X holders, but expanded it to include 2.X, including doilies.
EDIT: Most of the rattler (gen 1.X) holders also have green labels. A rare subset have white labels.
Oh. I thought OGH stands for 'old green holder'
.This is a very nice thread and hope it keeps going.
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instagram.com/klnumismatics
Heck, I think of OGH as "old green holder" myself, but other think "older generation holder" or even "original generation holder". It's all good and largely overlaps.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
For me, it stands for "old green holder" as well, and I really only covet generation 3.X in terms of what I collect. Was just pointing out that there is a fair amount of ambiguity depending on the context and the individual.
It's interesting and refreshing, though not entirely surprising, to read that you really enjoy the 3.X generation holders. Most folks seem to go nuts for the easily recognized rattlers, doilies or regencies and the OGH can sometimes take a backseat. For me, I find that the grading standards employed in the generation 2.X and 3.X holders matched most consistently with how I graded when they were in use and how I expect I still grade. Therefore, I am a big fan of these later holders, as well.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
@TomB stop holding back on posting pics to this thread!
I had to search through the thread to see what was posted and what wasn't and it appears I had left off with the first of two Irish shillings. There is also pretty much a complete denomination set that goes with these coins and I can post those in the future, as well. Here is the second of the pair of shilling coins-
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Commems and Early Type
I've owned this one since 12/30/07. Purchased in a Heritage auction:
Mark Goodman image.
A recent purchase. Not my picture.
Wow!!!!!
Here is the half crown that goes with the earlier posted shilling.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
I guess I'm just killing this thread with the Irish coins. Let's just post this one then I promise to move away from that niche.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Okay, I guess I've killed this thread either with posting too much or with posting non-US coins (Canada, Ireland, England and Newfoundland). So, I'll post this US coin and I hope we can get rolling again. Otherwise, I should just pack it in and stop bludgeoning folks.
I've adored Barber half dollars for decades and one of the coins that flies under the radar of most non-hard core collectors is the 1898-O. It isn't a sexy date, though of course we (Barber collectors) all know it's tough, but to find them in mid-grade with uncleaned surfaces and good eye appeal is a pretty dang rare occurrence. Here is a more or less perfect EF-
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
@TomB , no need to apologize for posting great coins to this thread, wherever their country of origin. I think I speak for most people in saying thank you for keeping the thread alive by whatever means necessary!
Yes, I agree! 😍 we would not be
able to see such wonderful coins!
Maybe I have not posted this one before. (I had plenty before they got stolen, even had all kinds) now I have mostly Morgan's 🙂.
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@Smudge love that Charlotte gold!
2 arrived today...an ogh and a doily.
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I won my first-ever 3C silver on GC last weekend, and the coin just arrived. It's a very nice type coin with pleasing toning, and excellent luster, strongest on the reverse. The only slight knock on the coin is some striking weakness on the date and stars.
Toned MS Ike Registry: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/dollars/eisenhower-dollars-major-sets/eisenhower-dollars-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1971-1978/publishedset/183265
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Love peeking through this thread. Reminds of days when the top TPG slabs were pretty simple.
No multicolor, retro feel, wannabe rocksatr cra*
One of these days I'll bring home a box that I know has at least 20 OGH's in there, at least a half dozen are two piece I think.
This was a recent pickup, but I think it might be nice enough to throw in here. For the grade, I like it
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